Lots of bands allow live performances to be copied freely. Widespread Panic and String Cheese Incident come to mind... and most tapers new to the field dont use analog media anymore, they us DAT tapes and drives.
The last shop i worked in did this exact thing, one TR network for user desktops, and ethernet for the server/router/firewall environment... and the options posted above are exactly right... although the most effective is the bridge solution since it will translate and forward the whole frame, regardless of protocol. And yes, linux has bridging support (i believe the 2.2+ kernels have experimental bridging modules?), good luck.
Actually, i am a sysadmin in a corporate environ. that chose to install CP, much to my chagrine... and it saves neither time nor network resources. CP will always download the FULL page, even though it only sends you browser the Bad Page message, it lugs around a HUGE disk cache full of every page that has been blocked in X days. So scratch the idea of saving net resources. As far as time is concerned, if a user is surfing porn, forget it, the time is already wasted. If they aren't surfing porn, and are maybe looking at a resume, then you waste _MORE_ time by having to go through the motions of unblocking a site.
In effect, companies choose to do this for one reason. Sexual related lawsuits, and it's a damn shame.
If given the choice, I would glady make software like Cyber Patrol illegal, or at least so poorly respected as to be unused. This is the clearest, brashest and most prolific example of censorship in modern times, and it is indeed a travesty.
As I understand the situation, cable companies are powerful, but still have competition from other cable companies.
Slightly wrong. Cable companies have limited competition for your cable television, but even this is tough for them since (in metropolitan areas) a whole building is one or the other (in Chicago that could mean hundreds[or thousands] of names on a petition to change providers) and (again in chicago) there is only one cable provider who also offers cable modem per area, so there is NO competition for Inet/Cable service... and even if there was, the same building rules still apply (unless, as mentioned above, they are allowed to lease lines) and you would have to get hundreds of names again, and everyone in your whole building would have to switch providers.
Basically, the gauge for a monopoly is this. If my service fee doubled next month, is there a reasonable alternative to get similar service from someone else? No, there isn't. So, yes, there is a monopoly. The goal then, prior to litigation against the holders of the monopoly, since the creation of it is not entirely their fault, is to design a set of rules that not only allows for but benefits start ups, gives lots of little guys the opportunity so that a few that are worthwhile slipthrough the cracks, and we win with good service.
I believe it's already been explained why it's different, but just for kicks: TV is a passive medium, a PC is not. TV is content-regulated to the extreme, the Net is not. TV['s content] is owned by advertising, the Net['s content] is owned by a mass of individuals. These are big differences. HUGE differences. MONUMENTAL differences.
Originally on UO people did this all the time... there were time warping bugs that allowed you to dupe items, very similar to Diablo, and if that ever happened, the 'real' value of ALL 'virtual' dollars would plummet and it wouldn't be worth 2 real cents to pay for. And people still do try to rob/steal/kill their way through the game and some are very successful, but it is set up with this capability in mind, so it's not easy to get carried away at all... in fact, it's harder to get rich evilly than it is legally, just because of the various rules and penalties assessed.
"I was making $8.00 an hour, managing a bookstore, eating ramen twice a day." I know exactly how you feel, i was working for seven an hour, with a strict 8 dollars a day to spend, that includes food, household products, entertainment, everything. I lived on Ramen cup-o-soups for 2 months so that I could afford to leave.
This is the above mentioned Jesse. I hope you like or at least accept as mundane reality the piece in Rolling Stone about us. A small caveat, it's not about technology much, so if your eyes glaze over when you read anything but manuals, you're in for a glazing...any comments, complaints, bullshit, comradarie, rib-jabbing, leg-pulling, mail-bombing, or plain unmasked hatred you feel inclined to unleash, do it to daileyj@icsp.net
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Lots of bands allow live performances to be copied freely. Widespread Panic and String Cheese Incident come to mind... and most tapers new to the field dont use analog media anymore, they us DAT tapes and drives.
The last shop i worked in did this exact thing, one TR network for user desktops, and ethernet for the server/router/firewall environment... and the options posted above are exactly right... although the most effective is the bridge solution since it will translate and forward the whole frame, regardless of protocol. And yes, linux has bridging support (i believe the 2.2+ kernels have experimental bridging modules?),
good luck.
Actually, i am a sysadmin in a corporate environ. that chose to install CP, much to my chagrine... and it saves neither time nor network resources. CP will always download the FULL page, even though it only sends you browser the Bad Page message, it lugs around a HUGE disk cache full of every page that has been blocked in X days. So scratch the idea of saving net resources.
As far as time is concerned, if a user is surfing porn, forget it, the time is already wasted. If they aren't surfing porn, and are maybe looking at a resume, then you waste _MORE_ time by having to go through the motions of unblocking a site.
In effect, companies choose to do this for one reason. Sexual related lawsuits, and it's a damn shame.
If given the choice, I would glady make software like Cyber Patrol illegal, or at least so poorly respected as to be unused. This is the clearest, brashest and most prolific example of censorship in modern times, and it is indeed a travesty.
As I understand the situation, cable companies are powerful, but still have competition from other cable companies.
Slightly wrong. Cable companies have limited competition for your cable television, but even this is tough for them since (in metropolitan areas) a whole building is one or the other (in Chicago that could mean hundreds[or thousands] of names on a petition to change providers) and (again in chicago) there is only one cable provider who also offers cable modem per area, so there is NO competition for Inet/Cable service... and even if there was, the same building rules still apply (unless, as mentioned above, they are allowed to lease lines) and you would have to get hundreds of names again, and everyone in your whole building would have to switch providers.
Basically, the gauge for a monopoly is this. If my service fee doubled next month, is there a reasonable alternative to get similar service from someone else? No, there isn't. So, yes, there is a monopoly. The goal then, prior to litigation against the holders of the monopoly, since the creation of it is not entirely their fault, is to design a set of rules that not only allows for but benefits start ups, gives lots of little guys the opportunity so that a few that are worthwhile slipthrough the cracks, and we win with good service.
I believe it's already been explained why it's different, but just for kicks:
TV is a passive medium, a PC is not.
TV is content-regulated to the extreme, the Net is not.
TV['s content] is owned by advertising, the Net['s content] is owned by a mass of individuals.
These are big differences. HUGE differences. MONUMENTAL differences.
Originally on UO people did this all the time... there were time warping bugs that allowed you to dupe items, very similar to Diablo, and if that ever happened, the 'real' value of ALL 'virtual' dollars would plummet and it wouldn't be worth 2 real cents to pay for. And people still do try to rob/steal/kill their way through the game and some are very successful, but it is set up with this capability in mind, so it's not easy to get carried away at all... in fact, it's harder to get rich evilly than it is legally, just because of the various rules and penalties assessed.
"I was making $8.00 an hour, managing a bookstore, eating ramen twice a day."
I know exactly how you feel, i was working for seven an hour, with a strict 8 dollars a day to spend, that includes food, household products, entertainment, everything. I lived on Ramen cup-o-soups for 2 months so that I could afford to leave.
This is the above mentioned Jesse. I hope you like or at least accept as mundane reality the piece in Rolling Stone about us. A small caveat, it's not about technology much, so if your eyes glaze over when you read anything but manuals, you're in for a glazing...any comments, complaints, bullshit, comradarie, rib-jabbing, leg-pulling, mail-bombing, or plain unmasked hatred you feel inclined to unleash, do it to daileyj@icsp.net