I'm not much of an expert on physics so someone might want to correct me here but they're talking about using conventional motors to spin these disks up.
My question is would it be possible to introduce alternating magnetic particles (in a permanant arrangement) around a track of the disk somewhere near the centre? You could then use these to accelerate or draw power out of the disc directly. This eliminates all friction imposed on the disk and as such the only thing slowing the disk down translates to actual power output.
You could use magnets around the outside area of the disk for suspension and stabilisation and I'd assume this could simplify design somewhat.
Really, do we need this? I think not. As protocol's mature and evolve, the security surrounding them is inheritly improved.
5 or 6 years ago someone could crash nearly every windows box on the Internet by sending it some trash data. As time goes on, these things get more and more secure. The internet and its community do this themselves. Call it evolution if you want, its a natural process and it has worked pretty well up until now.
Currently ISP's hold the power, they can cancel accounts and client ISP's and again, this self regulation has proven pretty effective.
Now the governments of the world want to come in with centralised power and take control of this democratic, trans-national entity that we call the internet in the name of 'protecting the people' (which is their claimed reason for everything.). I don't see how all this recent complicating of a democratic, uncorruptable, peer-to-peer system to one of disputably corruptable centralised power can benefit anyone other than those in power themselves.
If they want to stop 'cyberterrorists' they implement strong security ratings policies and baseline guidelines for security that companies must deal with when processing sensitive data online. They can contribute funding to security auditing and open security products and work with the community for its overall good.
The US government is on a powertrip with Echelon, the Clipper chip and all the crazy powers of the NSA and its not doing any good for their people or the rest of the world.
Assuming that this is true (which I believe is only partly the case), you are still neglecting to see the negative impacts that this might have on software production.
Without deadlines, what's to stop a software project from fizzling away as developers get bored or move on? Who will do the documentation? Will project forks lead to the development of seperate companies? (such as Mandrake/Redhat) How can a company hope to maintain a leading position if other companies can snitch its code and fork like this?
Ok, granted that some of the above may be true about Open Source in general, I can't see management's roll disappearing in the near future - even within these companies. There still has to be leaders on the development level as well as the service level. Developers need to remain focused on the task at hand and motivated. That is a job for management and project leaders. Deadlines will stay because they encourage people to work. While I don't beleive they are the best way to get someone to work since they may encourage sloppy and buggy code, they are still pretty effective.
The effect of open source (in particular GPLed)development is probabily going to be more in regards to better service (through disclosure of source code), faster development cycle (due to code contributions, bug fixes and community involvement in the development of a product) and better overall quality (as users may decide to fork their own version of some software if a company is not living up to consumer expectations).
It is one thing to have credit put in a comment block or a CREDITS file where people can figure out who contributed to the project. Its another thing to put text messages in the bootup sequence of a project. To me, by doing this crosses some faint but fundamental line and raises a potential use for OpenSource software as a media for advertising.
'Shutting Down' Metallica isn't the answer. If in protest we refuse to buy their music, this will only provide their lawyer's with more ammunition to back up their claims that Metallica is loosing profits from online trading of their music.
PayLars.com is one idea but it maybe asks too much by playing on the good will of the very fans that Metallica's lawyers are attacking. Also, given the media attention that this has received and the time, money and effort spent so far by Metallica, backing down now would see them no results for a lot of bad publicity.
I agree that this move by Metallica is a foolish one but helping by provide their lawyers with a drop in sales that can be blamed on increased online trade isn't the answer.
Bob changes Maplay to work as a library and releases it under the GPL
Joe likes Bob's API and goes off and develop's his own Audio API that is compatible with the above. He uses this to develop a proprietary program.
Joe later decides that Maplay sounds better than his version.
Can Joe use the GPL'ed library on the basis that its source is freely available or is he bound by the GPL if he does this? He hasn't changed any code from the library version of Maplay but his program is proprietary. There seems to be a lot of confusion related to plug-in code and the GPL.
Anyone have any insight as to what happens here?
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Whoa.. Re-reading my original post I'm suprised I didn't get moderated off completely.:)
The context I took the original post in was completely wrong and very stupid of me. The post was a combination of an earlier conversation, fatigue and an irritable mood and embarrasing in hindsight. I have nothing against Americans (usually.:) It was just a prior conversation with a rather arrogant American guy about Echelon, encryption export laws and US Government policies that ticked me off.
Sorry!
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You seem to suggest that encrypting the data uses more bandwidth. This isn't the case. Encrypting the data DOES originally require public key authentication of both parties but after that a symetric encryption protocol is used that uses a byte-for-byte mapping (correct me if I'm wrong). It makes sense really. Using block ciphers for a text stream isn't practical as you want text to be sent as soon as you type it. Compression is an added bonus, not a compensation measure.
A skin-tight light-weight exoskeleton providing force feedback as well as physical movement restriction would probabily be a better solution.
Someone strapped into such a suit suspended in the air by the waist and feet by light-weight arms could provide environment interaction
Hitting a wall would lock up your arm when your fist reaches the wall. Walking up stairs would lock up the suit for each step you take.
The suit could use hydrolics to for the feedback and the whole inner-ear motion thing can be partially overcome through the careful maintaining of motion by the structure. Motion CHANGES are noticed by the inner ear but after you have stopped accelerating your inner reestablished its equilibrium and it seems as though you're not moving. This can be used to fool the ear into thinking you're moving when you're not and vice versa to keep you in the one spot.
Without trying to encourage a conspiricy theorist kind of mentality, does anyone feel that internet.com obtaining the major linux sites is a threat to the stability of these sites and the communities that rely on these sites on the internet?
If internet.com were now bought out by microsoft, that would be a rather large blow to the linux community. When the support and community foundation for linux is distributed (just like the development), the possibility of this happening decreases.
Check that the default policy for your input and output firewalls are ACCEPT, this isn't a good thing to keep but while establishing what the problem is it will eliminate one possibility.
Check that your default route is to the network you want the masqueraded machines to have access to (or at least there is a routing entry to such a network through the correct interface)
Check your ipchains rules with/sbin/ipchains -L and verify they exist. I havn't looked to see what IP chains will do if you run it without kernel support. I presume it bombs out but check this anyhow.
I've run ip masquerading on Slackware 3.2.0, RedHat 5.2, 6.0 and 6.1 with no drama's so it will likely be something small.
It seems that when using older.config files with newer kernels, certain options you would expect to default to 'Yes' dont.
I'm talking inparticular to the 'Virtual Console' option. It seems that when using.config files from older kernels (2.0.36 systems in my case), even after running make config and adding extra options, it didn't turn on the Virtual Console option.
So my computer booted away silently in the background (fscking in this case was misinterpretted by me as a crash). I didn't discover it until I deleted my.config files and let it build the defaults up from scratch.
'Virtual Console' to me didn't suggest a console on the local terminal. I assumed it meant a console on a serial port and therefore I skipped it. Maybe a warning is needed in the kernel config?
wget is a gpl'ed program thats extremely stable and reliable. Its able to download websites and ftp sites, using proxies if necessary as well as resume file transfers, download directories and even follow links from websites across hosts.
While it won't look for the fastest host from multiple connections and its commandline based, I've found it to be faster at downloading from some sites that drop the occasional packet as you can set the transfer timeout to low values which will rekickstart the transfer again before you get the boot. (I usually use a timeout of 30 seconds)
Sometimes I wonder about the level of hysteria that the slashdot community raises over issues like this.
I agree privacy must be protected but that is why IPv6 has end-to-end encryption and connection authentication built in to prevent spoofing and eaves dropping.
As stated by someone earlier, the reason IPv6 was developed in the first place was to address a address space problem. They have basically blown the problem away by using 128-bit addresses and in the process, greatly simplified network configuration by allowing network cards to be routed automatically.
The major issues I have with privacy over the internet are to do with data integrity and eaves dropping, not to do with identity. With conventional IPv4 addresses you can be traced back to at the very least the local network you came from. A unique number such as this isn't a means to track everybody, its a means to simplify routing configuration. For dialup lines I would imagine this address space would contain some other number making it just the same as tracking down a particular user as it is today.
The IETF is doing a great job and has put much more thought into this than most (probabily all) of you have and they deserve some credit, not the blatent disaproval that slashdotters tend to be giving in increasingly larger doses.
If Corel are allowed to distribute previously GPL'ed software such as this that have already individually been out of beta stage for quite some time, what is to stop a company from circumventing the GPL by distributing a closed source version of their software as 'Beta' indefinately?
Corel shouldn't be allowed to make a move such as this and I don't believe it follows in the spirit of the Free Software movement at all. If practices such as this continue I can see us loosing all the positive ground that Open Source and Free Software movements have made in the past few years.
Does FTP data seem to work?? When you say it stops and resends, have you had a look to see if its resending at the PPP level or at the TCP/IP level? If your socket is being disconnected at the TCP/IP level then I'd be trying a different browser or something at the application level. If not and FTP works, then I'm stumped too.:) Its hard to do much with the amount of information you've provided.
How come all of these MS praising posters are all Anonymous Cowards??
As for the comment that
"[Anyone making the] assumption that a Sys Admin that runs MS products is ignorant, is nothing more than tunnel-vision and narrow mindedness",
the plain hard facts are that anyone voluntarily using an MS Product for mission critical (otherwise phased as 'important') server applications is a little daft as the tendancy for MS products (in the vast majority) to be:
is notorious. While not every MS System Admin chooses their server platform of their own free will, I would have to agree that anyone that claims that NT is a better solution to everything else is being a little ignorant of the facts.
(For actual references, just refer to the many past slashdot articles and posts on similar subjects. This topic is getting old...
I guess MS marketing really does get to some, dare I say it, *ignorant* people...
How come all of these MS praising posters are all Anonymous Cowards??
As for the comment that
"[Anyone making the] assumption that a Sys Admin that runs MS products is ignorant, is nothing more than tunnel-vision and narrow mindedness",
the plain hard facts are that anyone voluntarily using an MS Product for mission critical (otherwise phased as 'important') server applications is a little daft as the tendancy for MS products (in the vast majority) to be:
is notorious. While not every MS System Admin does so of their own free will, I would have to agree that anyone that claims that NT is a better solution to everything else is being a little ignorant of the facts.
(For actual references, just refer to the many past slashdot articles and posts on similar subjects. This topic is getting old...
I guess MS marketing really does get to some people...
There are a few programs (not too many!!) that do this on the PC. TCPtoSer is one and I know of at least one other (but don't have any URL's) that do a similar thing. Both have no security. You simply attach a serial port to a TCP socket and this program can connect to it and route data through it as if it were its own physically connected serial port. It works vice versa and can be handy for setting up EQL PPP connections with linux when the only available modems are Winmodems on other machines. The latency sucks however...
How come all of these MS praising posters are all Anonymous Cowards?? As for the comment that "[Anyone making the] assumption that a Sys Admin that runs MS products is ignorant, is nothing more than tunnel-vision and narrow mindedness", the plain hard facts are that anyone voluntarily using an MS Product for mission critical (otherwise phased as 'important') server applications is a little daft as the tendancy for MS products (in the vast majority) to be: 1. Crashware 2. Bloated 3. Slow/Inefficient 4. Insecure is notorious. While not every MS System Admin does so of their own free will, I would have to agree that anyone that claims that NT is a better solution to everything else is being a little ignorant of the facts. (For actual references, just refer to the many past slashdot articles and posts on similar subjects. This topic is getting old... I guess MS marketing really does get to some people...
Where I live there is no choice but to go with Telstra and I've had modem disconnection problems continuously with their lines. At one stage it took more than 5 callouts and a modem connection at 2400bps with error-checking off before they even acknowledged that there was a problem.
The site is www.mindmouse.com. It is non-evasive and trained through screen based feedback using small bars on the screen in which a user learns to move. Their website is being upgraded at the moment but I recall them saying it was developed by an ex biofeedback specialist or some similarly qualified person. Seems like a cool idea. I guess it depends how fast it is. If its a slow 'joystick' style interface it would suck (relative movement with a maximum speed). If it was more like a touchpad where you could basically position it anywhere on the screen from anywhere else at will within a second or less I wouldn't mind having one.:)
KVoice can run full-duplex. The problem lies in the OSS-Lite drivers that ship with linux. Try using ALSA instead.
I originally had the same problem. The only problem with ALSA is that with my card (Crystal Audio's CS4232 chipset) binds the sample rate to the same level for both input and output so unless you're sampling and playing back at the same rate, one of them is gonna get a bit screwed.
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I'm not much of an expert on physics so someone might want to correct me here but they're talking about using conventional motors to spin these disks up.
My question is would it be possible to introduce alternating magnetic particles (in a permanant arrangement) around a track of the disk somewhere near the centre? You could then use these to accelerate or draw power out of the disc directly. This eliminates all friction imposed on the disk and as such the only thing slowing the disk down translates to actual power output.
You could use magnets around the outside area of the disk for suspension and stabilisation and I'd assume this could simplify design somewhat.
Is there a reason why this isn't being done?
Really, do we need this? I think not.
As protocol's mature and evolve, the security surrounding them is inheritly improved.
5 or 6 years ago someone could crash nearly every windows box on the Internet by sending it some trash data. As time goes on, these things get more and more secure. The internet and its community do this themselves. Call it evolution if you want, its a natural process and it has worked pretty well up until now.
Currently ISP's hold the power, they can cancel accounts and client ISP's and again, this self regulation has proven pretty effective.
Now the governments of the world want to come in with centralised power and take control of this democratic, trans-national entity that we call the internet in the name of 'protecting the people' (which is their claimed reason for everything.). I don't see how all this recent complicating of a democratic, uncorruptable, peer-to-peer system to one of disputably corruptable centralised power can benefit anyone other than those in power themselves.
If they want to stop 'cyberterrorists' they implement strong security ratings policies and baseline guidelines for security that companies must deal with when processing sensitive data online. They can contribute funding to security auditing and open security products and work with the community for its overall good.
The US government is on a powertrip with Echelon, the Clipper chip and all the crazy powers of the NSA and its not doing any good for their people or the rest of the world.
Assuming that this is true (which I believe is only partly the case), you are still neglecting to see the negative impacts that this might have on software production.
Without deadlines, what's to stop a software project from fizzling away as developers get bored or move on? Who will do the documentation? Will project forks lead to the development of seperate companies? (such as Mandrake/Redhat) How can a company hope to maintain a leading position if other companies can snitch its code and fork like this?
Ok, granted that some of the above may be true about Open Source in general, I can't see management's roll disappearing in the near future - even within these companies. There still has to be leaders on the development level as well as the service level. Developers need to remain focused on the task at hand and motivated. That is a job for management and project leaders. Deadlines will stay because they encourage people to work. While I don't beleive they are the best way to get someone to work since they may encourage sloppy and buggy code, they are still pretty effective.
The effect of open source (in particular GPLed)development is probabily going to be more in regards to better service (through disclosure of source code), faster development cycle (due to code contributions, bug fixes and community involvement in the development of a product) and better overall quality (as users may decide to fork their own version of some software if a company is not living up to consumer expectations).
It is one thing to have credit put in a comment block or a CREDITS file where people can figure out who contributed to the project. Its another thing to put text messages in the bootup sequence of a project. To me, by doing this crosses some faint but fundamental line and raises a potential use for OpenSource software as a media for advertising.
'Shutting Down' Metallica isn't the answer. If in protest we refuse to buy their music, this will only provide their lawyer's with more ammunition to back up their claims that Metallica is loosing profits from online trading of their music.
PayLars.com is one idea but it maybe asks too much by playing on the good will of the very fans that Metallica's lawyers are attacking. Also, given the media attention that this has received and the time, money and effort spent so far by Metallica, backing down now would see them no results for a lot of bad publicity.
I agree that this move by Metallica is a foolish one but helping by provide their lawyers with a drop in sales that can be blamed on increased online trade isn't the answer.
- Maplay is released under the GPL.
- Bob changes Maplay to work as a library and releases it under the GPL
- Joe likes Bob's API and goes off and develop's his own Audio API that is compatible with the above. He uses this to develop a proprietary program.
- Joe later decides that Maplay sounds better than his version.
Can Joe use the GPL'ed library on the basis that its source is freely available or is he bound by the GPL if he does this? He hasn't changed any code from the library version of Maplay but his program is proprietary. There seems to be a lot of confusion related to plug-in code and the GPL.Anyone have any insight as to what happens here?
Whoa.. Re-reading my original post I'm suprised I didn't get moderated off completely. :)
:) It was just a prior conversation with a rather arrogant American guy about Echelon, encryption export laws and US Government policies that ticked me off.
The context I took the original post in was completely wrong and very stupid of me. The post was a combination of an earlier conversation, fatigue and an irritable mood and embarrasing in hindsight. I have nothing against Americans (usually.
Sorry!
You seem to suggest that encrypting the data uses more bandwidth. This isn't the case. Encrypting the data DOES originally require public key authentication of both parties but after that a symetric encryption protocol is used that uses a byte-for-byte mapping (correct me if I'm wrong). It makes sense really. Using block ciphers for a text stream isn't practical as you want text to be sent as soon as you type it. Compression is an added bonus, not a compensation measure.
A skin-tight light-weight exoskeleton providing force feedback as well as physical movement restriction would probabily be a better solution.
Someone strapped into such a suit suspended in the air by the waist and feet by light-weight arms could provide environment interaction
Hitting a wall would lock up your arm when your fist reaches the wall. Walking up stairs would lock up the suit for each step you take.
The suit could use hydrolics to for the feedback and the whole inner-ear motion thing can be partially overcome through the careful maintaining of motion by the structure. Motion CHANGES are noticed by the inner ear but after you have stopped accelerating your inner reestablished its equilibrium and it seems as though you're not moving. This can be used to fool the ear into thinking you're moving when you're not and vice versa to keep you in the one spot.
Without trying to encourage a conspiricy theorist kind of mentality, does anyone feel that internet.com obtaining the major linux sites is a threat to the stability of these sites and the communities that rely on these sites on the internet?
If internet.com were now bought out by microsoft, that would be a rather large blow to the linux community. When the support and community foundation for linux is distributed (just like the development), the possibility of this happening decreases.
I'm not greatly concerned however... Yet.
Check that the default policy for your input and output firewalls are ACCEPT, this isn't a good thing to keep but while establishing what the problem is it will eliminate one possibility.
/sbin/ipchains -L and verify they exist. I havn't looked to see what IP chains will do if you run it without kernel support. I presume it bombs out but check this anyhow.
Check that your default route is to the network you want the masqueraded machines to have access to (or at least there is a routing entry to such a network through the correct interface)
Check your ipchains rules with
I've run ip masquerading on Slackware 3.2.0, RedHat 5.2, 6.0 and 6.1 with no drama's so it will likely be something small.
It seems that when using older .config files with newer kernels, certain options you would expect to default to 'Yes' dont.
.config files from older kernels (2.0.36 systems in my case), even after running make config and adding extra options, it didn't turn on the Virtual Console option.
.config files and let it build the defaults up from scratch.
I'm talking inparticular to the 'Virtual Console' option. It seems that when using
So my computer booted away silently in the background (fscking in this case was misinterpretted by me as a crash). I didn't discover it until I deleted my
'Virtual Console' to me didn't suggest a console on the local terminal. I assumed it meant a console on a serial port and therefore I skipped it. Maybe a warning is needed in the kernel config?
wget is a gpl'ed program thats extremely stable and reliable. Its able to download websites and ftp sites, using proxies if necessary as well as resume file transfers, download directories and even follow links from websites across hosts.
While it won't look for the fastest host from multiple connections and its commandline based, I've found it to be faster at downloading from some sites that drop the occasional packet as you can set the transfer timeout to low values which will rekickstart the transfer again before you get the boot. (I usually use a timeout of 30 seconds)
Sometimes I wonder about the level of hysteria that the slashdot community raises over issues like this.
I agree privacy must be protected but that is why IPv6 has end-to-end encryption and connection authentication built in to prevent spoofing and eaves dropping.
As stated by someone earlier, the reason IPv6 was developed in the first place was to address a address space problem. They have basically blown the problem away by using 128-bit addresses and in the process, greatly simplified network configuration by allowing network cards to be routed automatically.
The major issues I have with privacy over the internet are to do with data integrity and eaves dropping, not to do with identity. With conventional IPv4 addresses you can be traced back to at the very least the local network you came from. A unique number such as this isn't a means to track everybody, its a means to simplify routing configuration. For dialup lines I would imagine this address space would contain some other number making it just the same as tracking down a particular user as it is today.
The IETF is doing a great job and has put much more thought into this than most (probabily all) of you have and they deserve some credit, not the blatent disaproval that slashdotters tend to be giving in increasingly larger doses.
If Corel are allowed to distribute previously GPL'ed software such as this that have already individually been out of beta stage for quite some time, what is to stop a company from circumventing the GPL by distributing a closed source version of their software as 'Beta' indefinately?
Corel shouldn't be allowed to make a move such as this and I don't believe it follows in the spirit of the Free Software movement at all. If practices such as this continue I can see us loosing all the positive ground that Open Source and Free Software movements have made in the past few years.
Does FTP data seem to work?? When you say it stops and resends, have you had a look to see if its resending at the PPP level or at the TCP/IP level? If your socket is being disconnected at the TCP/IP level then I'd be trying a different browser or something at the application level. If not and FTP works, then I'm stumped too. :) Its hard to do much with the amount of information you've provided.
As for the comment that
"[Anyone making the] assumption that a Sys Admin that runs MS products is ignorant, is nothing more than tunnel-vision and narrow mindedness",
the plain hard facts are that anyone voluntarily using an MS Product for mission critical (otherwise phased as 'important') server applications is a little daft as the tendancy for MS products (in the vast majority) to be:
1. Crashware 2. Bloated 3. Slow/Inefficient 4. Insecure
is notorious. While not every MS System Admin chooses their server platform of their own free will, I would have to agree that anyone that claims that NT is a better solution to everything else is being a little ignorant of the facts.
(For actual references, just refer to the many past slashdot articles and posts on similar subjects. This topic is getting old...
I guess MS marketing really does get to some, dare I say it, *ignorant* people...
As for the comment that
"[Anyone making the] assumption that a Sys Admin that runs MS products is ignorant, is nothing more than tunnel-vision and narrow mindedness",
the plain hard facts are that anyone voluntarily using an MS Product for mission critical (otherwise phased as 'important') server applications is a little daft as the tendancy for MS products (in the vast majority) to be:
1. Crashware 2. Bloated 3. Slow/Inefficient 4. Insecure
is notorious. While not every MS System Admin does so of their own free will, I would have to agree that anyone that claims that NT is a better solution to everything else is being a little ignorant of the facts.
(For actual references, just refer to the many past slashdot articles and posts on similar subjects. This topic is getting old...
I guess MS marketing really does get to some people...
There are a few programs (not too many!!) that do this on the PC. TCPtoSer is one and I know of at least one other (but don't have any URL's) that do a similar thing. Both have no security. You simply attach a serial port to a TCP socket and this program can connect to it and route data through it as if it were its own physically connected serial port. It works vice versa and can be handy for setting up EQL PPP connections with linux when the only available modems are Winmodems on other machines. The latency sucks however...
How come all of these MS praising posters are all Anonymous Cowards?? As for the comment that "[Anyone making the] assumption that a Sys Admin that runs MS products is ignorant, is nothing more than tunnel-vision and narrow mindedness", the plain hard facts are that anyone voluntarily using an MS Product for mission critical (otherwise phased as 'important') server applications is a little daft as the tendancy for MS products (in the vast majority) to be: 1. Crashware 2. Bloated 3. Slow/Inefficient 4. Insecure is notorious. While not every MS System Admin does so of their own free will, I would have to agree that anyone that claims that NT is a better solution to everything else is being a little ignorant of the facts. (For actual references, just refer to the many past slashdot articles and posts on similar subjects. This topic is getting old... I guess MS marketing really does get to some people...
Where I live there is no choice but to go with Telstra and I've had modem disconnection problems continuously with their lines. At one stage it took more than 5 callouts and a modem connection at 2400bps with error-checking off before they even acknowledged that there was a problem.
Some competition is well overdue...
The site is www.mindmouse.com. It is non-evasive and trained through screen based feedback using small bars on the screen in which a user learns to move. Their website is being upgraded at the moment but I recall them saying it was developed by an ex biofeedback specialist or some similarly qualified person. Seems like a cool idea. I guess it depends how fast it is. If its a slow 'joystick' style interface it would suck (relative movement with a maximum speed). If it was more like a touchpad where you could basically position it anywhere on the screen from anywhere else at will within a second or less I wouldn't mind having one. :)
KVoice can run full-duplex. The problem lies in the OSS-Lite drivers that ship with linux. Try using ALSA instead.
I originally had the same problem. The only problem with ALSA is that with my card (Crystal Audio's CS4232 chipset) binds the sample rate to the same level for both input and output so unless you're sampling and playing back at the same rate, one of them is gonna get a bit screwed.