55 hours a week? Is that considered hard time in Kansas City? I live in Boston and that is what everyone around here does, for about the same money, in a city that is much more expensive.
11 hour days are too much, just simply too much.
Assuming a rather (I think anyways) average 7 hour sleep cycle, that leaves 17 hours a day, 11 hours of that spent at work translates into 6 hours for living, wow, with a workweek like that you really are becomming your job.
And before you start saying I'm lazy, I've put in 96 hours a week for a month or so in my last job. I think work weeks are too long, life is meant for living, not simply working.
you realize you flamed me because you didn't think i was funny. i think that makes you the retarded one. or at least the intolerant one. oh well...i guess i'll just thank god that i'm only subjected to your opinions on a relatively obscure environmentalist-geek website.
btw - as far as 'on-topic' is concerned. if i go to hear a person speak at a convention on linux...and they start to digress about how they hate cheeseburgers or some such gobledeegook, is that not 'off-topic'? even if they organized and funded the convention?
These are not quite parallel. The only thing slashdot claims to be is "News for Nerds, Stuff the Matters." and I find it rather insulting that us "nerds" would not think the environment matters.
you can approve of whatever they do at slashdot. - that's your right....just fucking admit the story was digressionary.
I admit no such thing. I suppose if the only thing you want to read about on slashdot is the latest release of KDE, maybe you need to start going to freshmeat.
Maybe if sengan had actually posted more than 2 stories in the long history of slashdot you'd have a leg to stand on with that 'it's whatever they want the topic to be' argument.
I really don't see how that hinders my argument, whether it's hemos, emmett, cliff, or sengan posting the penguin article, whats the difference?
I eagerly await your "well why don't you go elsewhere NOW! asshole" reply.
Consider this to be it.
i, sir, am the consumer. If slashdot wants to turn itself into a nature-conservatory, or what have you...that's all well and good. That is their perogative. I didn't email anyone about it. i didnt call Hemos at his honeymoon hideout and bitch at him for allowing one of his co-workers to post the story. I simply stated that i felt it was an off-topic story in a publicly accessible forum.
You stated nothing of the sort, you wrote a useless mock story about Linus taking a dump. It wasn't even half funny, it was an absolutely retarded thing to do. If you had simply stated your opinion about it being an off-topic story (which, by definition is an impossibility here anyways, as the authors make the topics) then I wouldn't have even wasted my time replying as I already brought up my thoughts about it elsewhere in the comments.
Sorry, but Hemos, CmdrTaco, and the rest aren't my fearless leaders. I don't hang on every word the say, or post as the case may be. And i'm certainly not 'unquestioningly loyal' like some of the people i've seen posting. This is my tech source, when it ceases to be that, i'll go elsewhere.
They aren't my "fearless leaders" either, I don't even like Rob from my dealings with him, I'm definately not loyal to them, but to even suggest that a story they post on their website is somehow off-topic is simply ludicrous. It's "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters", it's NOT simply tech news, it's NOT simply what YOU want it to be. I quite think the story is very much on-topic, as it shows us just how careless we are with the environment, we need to change or we're all going to suffer the consequences like some poor penguins off the coast of south africa. If you somehow think this isn't "Stuff that Matters" then "well why don't you go elsewhere NOW! asshole"?
there's something inordinately mundane about posting "jeepers. that penguin article just doesn't seem to have anything to do with the subject matter of slashdot."
And just who do you think you are dictating what the subject matter of slashdot is? Do you write the articles? Do you do site maintenance? Do you pay for the sites bandwidth or colo space at exodus? Do you have anything remotely to do with the site other than being a reader posting stupid comments wasting everyones time? Whats that? No?
But/. does have a stated purpose of covering (usually) a particular type of news.
The only stated purpose is News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters. It's quite up to them what they think is news for nerds, and what they think matters. If they think that a press release from Royale bringing to market the first 8 ply toilet tissue is "news for nerds, stuff that matters" than who are you to judge? Do you pay for their bandwidth or server space at exodus?
i'm not going to bother defending my post to you - since you obviously didn't get the point of it in the first place!
Why don't you defend your post to me? I have karma to burn, I got the point of it, and I, quite frankly, thought your post was tasteless, irrelevant, and a waste of bandwidth and hard drive space.
So my question is: how appropriate is it for people to use their website as a medium to raise consciousness and solicit donations for whatever cause they are currently supporting?
I think you answered your own question here. It isn't, its their website.
Follow-up: does it matter if the purpose of the website typically excludes stories about that particular topic, moving though they may be?
No, it's their website, they make the topic.
And another one: are there some issues which are so important that they should headline any/all forms of media, regardless of the subject matter usually addressed by that media? If so, is this one of those topics?
Yes, there are such issues. Yes, us killing this planet and being forced to recognize it, and change our ways "before it's too late", is one of those topics.
I ask only because I'm willing to look like a nitpicking, heartless jerk in order to satisfy my curiosity.
The issue comes down to whose site is it which we have already concluded that since it isn't yours, and it is theirs, they make the topic, and you simply don't.
If you don't like this style, might I suggest, what I think anyways, is a more cutting edge way of news reporting and involving the audience or there is always the option of starting your own site.
One thing I don't like about Slackware though is that it's never had much of a concept of upgrading from a previous version, and so won't automatically delete files it is replacing during an upgrade. This once resulted in filling my root partition during an upgrade and made my machine unbootable.
Thats why you remove the packages you're about to upgrade first...
Hmm.. sounds like S.T. should could use some help, being so swamped and all. There must be _somebody_ who has the skills/desire to help him out. Unless of course, he doesn't _want_ any help (Hubris, anyone?). A backward compatible journalled fs is to much of a good thing to let languish like that.
I'm not sure on this one, there has to be someone else, sure, but I don't know if people have asked to help, submitted patches or not, etc. We need a journaling filesystem, it's too long in the making...
vi or EMACS, Perl or Python, Gnome or KDE, man or info, ad nauseum.
Pico, C, enlightenment, text.:)
The flame wars break out because people take things as personal attacks and egotism contributes to the lashing out in response.
I agree with you, but I'm not so sure the case is so cut and dried here. I think someone doesn't want to include RFS, not based on its technical merits, but for some other reason. I mean there simply is no reason NOT to include it. I've read through the lkml archives and I haven't seen one, not one good reason not to include ReiserFS in the kernel and flag it experimental.
I spent a good amount of time as an audio engineer (no more, thanks), and as far as I can tell you the hackers ain't got nuthin' on the "rock stars" when it comes to egos.
I think we all know this from the rantings that unnamed rock band. Thank god too, if we had people as bad as THEM in our community I think we'd have a full blown civil war.
I stand corrected, SuSE and Mandrake seem to support ReiserFS on install.
Here is your correction. /usr/src/linux/fs/reiserfs/utils/resize_reiserfs It's not perfect. AFAIK it shrinks only.
Well then it still reduces the amount of space you can use as to recapture that lost space from the partition merry-go-round you'd need to enlarge the ReiserFS partitions.
I think thats why the original question was asked. reiserfs works, I've been using it for a while. It's debateable whether or not you would want to use it in certain situations, but it _is_ here and it _does_ work. I have to wonder what the holdup with ext3 is.
Well, S. Tweedie keeps saying he doesn't have time to do anything, so thats keeping ext3. I just don't understand it. Add it to the kernel, flag it experimental and be done with it. It's really as simple as that guys. How long could it hold up 2.4.0? A week if that.
Simple, don't build it as a module. Or, gasp, keep your / as ext2! (wise-ass mode on) On a properly configured system the root file system is going to be around 500M. It doesn't take an inordinate amount of time to fsck. (w-a off).
I know, however my reply was to someone who was saying "I don't see what the problem is, just build it as a module!"
Really however, if I want my root partition to be ReiserFS I shouldn't be penalized for that decision.
Jumping through hoops isn't restricted to this one issue, personally, I think a lot of CS types need to take a reality check and tone down the egotism, they aren't so great.
While I understand it isn't restricted to this one issue, as I have to deal with some patches to get hardware to work, I don't know who you're refering to when you talk about egotism.
Well, hopefully we won't be reminiscing in n years how linux peaked at 2.2..
Non-(kernel developers) should stay the heck out of this discussion. Political infighting is never helped by the uninformed butting in of outsiders.
Outsiders? Is that how the users of the kernel these folks are writing are known as? Outsiders?
outsider n : someone who is not a member of a group [syn: foreigner]
Hrmm... Well, I don't know about you, you may wish to be an outsider, and thats your right, however I'm going to be using this kernel, I have time and money invested into linux, and I see a gaping hole which needs to be filled, which there is also a viable solution for which seems to be getting blocked.
Most every other *nix on the planet has journaling filesystem options for it, but not Linux, atleast not in the kernel. "Oh but you can patch it" and thats great, but it's also a huge headache. ReiserFS is a viable solution. Where is my proof? Well "the proof is in the pudding", namely large sites such as mp3.com and sourceforge.net use ReiserFS to reliably store massive amounts of data. If VA Linux systems can trust ReiserFS to store large amounts of open source projects such as Mesa, DRI, slash, OpenUT, Ghostscript, etc, then I think it needs to go into the kernel as atleast experimental.
Linux simply *needs* a journaling filesystem, period, and it needs it today. When will 2.4.0 get released? 2 months? 3 months? Then 2.5 will start up and possibly RFS will get into there, but when will 2.6.0 get finalized? A year? Maybe two? I reiterate, Linux needs a journaling filesystem *today*.
I don't care what you kernel hackers have to do to get it in there, but as a user of the code you people are writing, you need to fix this feature hole, and you need to put aside your "well hans will make money so we're not going to include it" bent, and you need to work with the Reiser team to get it in, as ext3 is nowhere near complete, neither is JFS/XFS for Linux, and ReiserFS works.
2.1. There is no common journaling API so his work, xfs work and ext3fs work cannot be converged. Especially at user space level. And this API is nowhere close.
And why should they be converged? All three of those no doubt journal QUITE differently, and making them all journal in the same way by making them use a journaling API would be really stupid.
Which filesystem do you model the API for, ext3? So XFS, JFS and RFS will have to end up adapting to journal like ext3, so whats the point of picking the other two? You end up having 3 filesystems which work the same way negating the reason to use one over the other, useless.
One current problem with the VFS is that it makes it impossible to use some filesystem drivers as modules. Essentially, if the filesystem isn't Ext2, or cannot be made to look like Ext2 to the VFS, it cannot operate well if at all as a loadable module, because it has to patch the VFS.
Absolutely pathetic, this basically lowers all filesystems to the common denomonator that is ext2, and then tries to raise less feature rich filesystems to ext2 (DOS FAT for one.. Unix permissions? I don't think so!).
This obviously needs to be virtualized with a FS API where the filesystem can tell the VFS what it supports, what it doesn't, etc, instead of making the filesystem act like ext2, this should all be done "on the fly".
As I understand, many large sites already use ReiserFS (sourceforge for one). If VA Linux can depend on RFS for a huge site hosting massive numbers of open source projects such as Mesa, Open UT, Ghostscript, Slash, DRI, Sawfish, Python, Linux UDF, etc, I think it should be an option in the kernel for Joe User so he can store his porn reliably and not have to fsck every 10 mounts...
Realistically, this argument is silly. It doesn't matter if code "gets in the kernel". As long as it is available and can be patched into the kernel, then that's just fine!
While this is true for most drivers, when it comes to filesystems it really does matter.
Case in point: Which distributions allow me to use ReiserFS filesystems on installation? Well I haven't heard of one of them, so I am going to say a tenative zero. This is a problem. If I want to use ReiserFS for all my filesystems (root, usr, etc) I have to install a distribution using ext2, download ReiserFS and patch it into my kernel, make new partitions formatted with ReiserFS, copy everything over, and blow away the ext2 ones.
1. This effectively reduces the amount of disk space that can be used because you can't resize the partitions (not exactly sure about this, correction?)
2. It's a huge hassel to get a journaling filesystem which linux should have in the kernel by now!
3. Stock boot CD/Floppies will no longer be able to access the root/usr filesystems because.... ReiserFS isn't in their kernels!
4. I'd really like to see how you can load a module from a filesystem you can't read. (ReiserFS built as a module loading from a ReiserFS root filesystem, enjoy that chicken and egg)
As you can see, this makes using ReiserFS cumbersome at best. Jumping through massive hoops just to get functionality other *nix's have had for years (Journaling Filesystems) is pathetic really.
You have to realize, that when you write parts of the kernel or kernel modules, you are part of a community. You need to be able to work with everyone because the end goal is the same: Making Linux a better system.
Could you please tell Viro that? He doesn't seem to want to work with anyone, especially to fix a gaping feature hole. Pretty sad really, when "maintainers" are working to the detriment of Linux.
One of the most vivid memories I have of my C64 is a little program which played "kung fu fighting", in clear AM quality audio. It was amazing for its time, I could hardly believe it.
That's our side to it. Theirs, however, is tied to the (unfortunately legitimate) worry that DeCSS gives us a very easy start to circumventing country codes...
Which is a non-issue since by region price fixing is illegal under the WTO.
I was able to play nine uncompressed CD quality audio files simultaneously and independently vary the volume on each on the BeOS. I was never able to play more than one on the other operating systems I tried.
Strange, with my nifty Diamond Monster MX300 soundcard in windows I have played 8 mp3's at once, 10 CD quality wav's at once (these were uncompressed cd ripped 1 minute samples), and tried both of those while recording even, and it worked fine. In Linux I can play 96 audio streams at a time if I was so inclined, but I've only made device files enough for 15:), so I dunno where all this "can't do it in windows/linux" stuff comes from, maybe you just have a shitty soundcard.
I've tried it, and I've had some problems, the Audio seems to be fine, however the video is quite strange, it shows 2 instances of the video side by side with a really strange and slightly different color pallete on each one, I'm thinking if the two were converged it might display properly? Weird.
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-- iCEBaLM
55 hours a week? Is that considered hard time in Kansas City? I live in Boston and that is what everyone around here does, for about the same money, in a city that is much more expensive.
11 hour days are too much, just simply too much.
Assuming a rather (I think anyways) average 7 hour sleep cycle, that leaves 17 hours a day, 11 hours of that spent at work translates into 6 hours for living, wow, with a workweek like that you really are becomming your job.
And before you start saying I'm lazy, I've put in 96 hours a week for a month or so in my last job. I think work weeks are too long, life is meant for living, not simply working.
-- iCEBaLM
you realize you flamed me because you didn't think i was funny. i think that makes you the retarded one. or at least the intolerant one. oh well...i guess i'll just thank god that i'm only subjected to your opinions on a relatively obscure environmentalist-geek website.
Actually, I flamed you because I, quite frankly, thought your post was tasteless, irrelevant, and a waste of bandwidth and hard drive space. Does this make me intolerant? Perhaps. Maybe I'm justified in my intolerance however as you seem to be lowering the median IQ of the human race I belong to.
btw - as far as 'on-topic' is concerned. if i go to hear a person speak at a convention on linux...and they start to digress about how they hate cheeseburgers or some such gobledeegook, is that not 'off-topic'? even if they organized and funded the convention?
These are not quite parallel. The only thing slashdot claims to be is "News for Nerds, Stuff the Matters." and I find it rather insulting that us "nerds" would not think the environment matters.
you can approve of whatever they do at slashdot. - that's your right....just fucking admit the story was digressionary.
I admit no such thing. I suppose if the only thing you want to read about on slashdot is the latest release of KDE, maybe you need to start going to freshmeat.
Maybe if sengan had actually posted more than 2 stories in the long history of slashdot you'd have a leg to stand on with that 'it's whatever they want the topic to be' argument.
I really don't see how that hinders my argument, whether it's hemos, emmett, cliff, or sengan posting the penguin article, whats the difference?
-- iCEBaLM
I eagerly await your "well why don't you go elsewhere NOW! asshole" reply.
Consider this to be it.
i, sir, am the consumer. If slashdot wants to turn itself into a nature-conservatory, or what have you...that's all well and good. That is their perogative. I didn't email anyone about it. i didnt call Hemos at his honeymoon hideout and bitch at him for allowing one of his co-workers to post the story. I simply stated that i felt it was an off-topic story in a publicly accessible forum.
You stated nothing of the sort, you wrote a useless mock story about Linus taking a dump. It wasn't even half funny, it was an absolutely retarded thing to do. If you had simply stated your opinion about it being an off-topic story (which, by definition is an impossibility here anyways, as the authors make the topics) then I wouldn't have even wasted my time replying as I already brought up my thoughts about it elsewhere in the comments.
Sorry, but Hemos, CmdrTaco, and the rest aren't my fearless leaders. I don't hang on every word the say, or post as the case may be. And i'm certainly not 'unquestioningly loyal' like some of the people i've seen posting. This is my tech source, when it ceases to be that, i'll go elsewhere.
They aren't my "fearless leaders" either, I don't even like Rob from my dealings with him, I'm definately not loyal to them, but to even suggest that a story they post on their website is somehow off-topic is simply ludicrous. It's "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters", it's NOT simply tech news, it's NOT simply what YOU want it to be. I quite think the story is very much on-topic, as it shows us just how careless we are with the environment, we need to change or we're all going to suffer the consequences like some poor penguins off the coast of south africa. If you somehow think this isn't "Stuff that Matters" then "well why don't you go elsewhere NOW! asshole"?
-- iCEBaLM
there's something inordinately mundane about posting "jeepers. that penguin article just doesn't seem to have anything to do with the subject matter of slashdot."
And just who do you think you are dictating what the subject matter of slashdot is? Do you write the articles? Do you do site maintenance? Do you pay for the sites bandwidth or colo space at exodus? Do you have anything remotely to do with the site other than being a reader posting stupid comments wasting everyones time? Whats that? No?
-- iCEBaLM
But /. does have a stated purpose of covering (usually) a particular type of news.
The only stated purpose is News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters. It's quite up to them what they think is news for nerds, and what they think matters. If they think that a press release from Royale bringing to market the first 8 ply toilet tissue is "news for nerds, stuff that matters" than who are you to judge? Do you pay for their bandwidth or server space at exodus?
-- iCEBaLM
i'm not going to bother defending my post to you - since you obviously didn't get the point of it in the first place!
Why don't you defend your post to me? I have karma to burn, I got the point of it, and I, quite frankly, thought your post was tasteless, irrelevant, and a waste of bandwidth and hard drive space.
-- iCEBaLM
So my question is: how appropriate is it for people to use their website as a medium to raise consciousness and solicit donations for whatever cause they are currently supporting?
I think you answered your own question here. It isn't, its their website.
Follow-up: does it matter if the purpose of the website typically excludes stories about that particular topic, moving though they may be?
No, it's their website, they make the topic.
And another one: are there some issues which are so important that they should headline any/all forms of media, regardless of the subject matter usually addressed by that media? If so, is this one of those topics?
Yes, there are such issues. Yes, us killing this planet and being forced to recognize it, and change our ways "before it's too late", is one of those topics.
I ask only because I'm willing to look like a nitpicking, heartless jerk in order to satisfy my curiosity.
The issue comes down to whose site is it which we have already concluded that since it isn't yours, and it is theirs, they make the topic, and you simply don't.
If you don't like this style, might I suggest, what I think anyways, is a more cutting edge way of news reporting and involving the audience or there is always the option of starting your own site.
-- iCEBaLM
One thing I don't like about Slackware though is that it's never had much of a concept of upgrading from a previous version, and so won't automatically delete files it is replacing during an upgrade. This once resulted in filling my root partition during an upgrade and made my machine unbootable.
Thats why you remove the packages you're about to upgrade first...
-- iCEBaLM
You may say that Slackware is for the hardcore sorts (does that make me one? Gee, but I write MacOS GUI code for a living!.)
:P
I'm not to sure I'd be putting on my resume that I was the one who debugged MacOS 7.5.(2|3).
-- iCEBaLM
Agreed, but this is something for the reiserfs crew to implement. FWIW, I'm unaware of a free util for resizing ext2 at all, is there one?
:)
Well, there's ext2resize and GNU Parted but I've never used either.
Hmm.. sounds like S.T. should could use some help, being so swamped and all. There must be _somebody_ who has the skills/desire to help him out. Unless of course, he doesn't _want_ any help (Hubris, anyone?). A backward compatible journalled fs is to much of a good thing to let languish like that.
I'm not sure on this one, there has to be someone else, sure, but I don't know if people have asked to help, submitted patches or not, etc. We need a journaling filesystem, it's too long in the making...
vi or EMACS, Perl or Python, Gnome or KDE, man or info, ad nauseum.
Pico, C, enlightenment, text.
The flame wars break out because people take things as personal attacks and egotism contributes to the lashing out in response.
I agree with you, but I'm not so sure the case is so cut and dried here. I think someone doesn't want to include RFS, not based on its technical merits, but for some other reason. I mean there simply is no reason NOT to include it. I've read through the lkml archives and I haven't seen one, not one good reason not to include ReiserFS in the kernel and flag it experimental.
I spent a good amount of time as an audio engineer (no more, thanks), and as far as I can tell you the hackers ain't got nuthin' on the "rock stars" when it comes to egos.
I think we all know this from the rantings that unnamed rock band. Thank god too, if we had people as bad as THEM in our community I think we'd have a full blown civil war.
-- iCEBaLM
I stand corrected, SuSE and Mandrake seem to support ReiserFS on install.
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Here is your correction.
/usr/src/linux/fs/reiserfs/utils/resize_reiserf
It's not perfect. AFAIK it shrinks only.
Well then it still reduces the amount of space you can use as to recapture that lost space from the partition merry-go-round you'd need to enlarge the ReiserFS partitions.
I think thats why the original question was asked. reiserfs works, I've been using it for a while. It's debateable whether or not you would want to use it in certain situations, but it _is_ here and it _does_ work. I have to wonder what the holdup with ext3 is.
Well, S. Tweedie keeps saying he doesn't have time to do anything, so thats keeping ext3. I just don't understand it. Add it to the kernel, flag it experimental and be done with it. It's really as simple as that guys. How long could it hold up 2.4.0? A week if that.
Simple, don't build it as a module. Or, gasp, keep your / as ext2! (wise-ass mode on) On a properly configured system the root file system is going to be around 500M. It doesn't take an inordinate amount of time to fsck. (w-a off).
I know, however my reply was to someone who was saying "I don't see what the problem is, just build it as a module!"
Really however, if I want my root partition to be ReiserFS I shouldn't be penalized for that decision.
Jumping through hoops isn't restricted to this one issue, personally, I think a lot of CS types need to take a reality check and tone down the egotism, they aren't so great.
While I understand it isn't restricted to this one issue, as I have to deal with some patches to get hardware to work, I don't know who you're refering to when you talk about egotism.
Well, hopefully we won't be reminiscing in n years how linux peaked at 2.2..
It would be sad...
-- iCEBaLM
Non-(kernel developers) should stay the heck out of this discussion. Political infighting is never helped by the uninformed butting in of outsiders.
Outsiders? Is that how the users of the kernel these folks are writing are known as? Outsiders?
outsider n : someone who is not a member of a group [syn: foreigner]
Hrmm... Well, I don't know about you, you may wish to be an outsider, and thats your right, however I'm going to be using this kernel, I have time and money invested into linux, and I see a gaping hole which needs to be filled, which there is also a viable solution for which seems to be getting blocked.
Most every other *nix on the planet has journaling filesystem options for it, but not Linux, atleast not in the kernel. "Oh but you can patch it" and thats great, but it's also a huge headache. ReiserFS is a viable solution. Where is my proof? Well "the proof is in the pudding", namely large sites such as mp3.com and sourceforge.net use ReiserFS to reliably store massive amounts of data. If VA Linux systems can trust ReiserFS to store large amounts of open source projects such as Mesa, DRI, slash, OpenUT, Ghostscript, etc, then I think it needs to go into the kernel as atleast experimental.
Linux simply *needs* a journaling filesystem, period, and it needs it today. When will 2.4.0 get released? 2 months? 3 months? Then 2.5 will start up and possibly RFS will get into there, but when will 2.6.0 get finalized? A year? Maybe two? I reiterate, Linux needs a journaling filesystem *today*.
I don't care what you kernel hackers have to do to get it in there, but as a user of the code you people are writing, you need to fix this feature hole, and you need to put aside your "well hans will make money so we're not going to include it" bent, and you need to work with the Reiser team to get it in, as ext3 is nowhere near complete, neither is JFS/XFS for Linux, and ReiserFS works.
-- iCEBaLM
I care, I'm the one being screwed.
-- iCEBaLM
2.1. There is no common journaling API so his work, xfs work and ext3fs work cannot be converged. Especially at user space level. And this API is nowhere close.
And why should they be converged? All three of those no doubt journal QUITE differently, and making them all journal in the same way by making them use a journaling API would be really stupid.
Which filesystem do you model the API for, ext3? So XFS, JFS and RFS will have to end up adapting to journal like ext3, so whats the point of picking the other two? You end up having 3 filesystems which work the same way negating the reason to use one over the other, useless.
-- iCEBaLM
One current problem with the VFS is that it makes it impossible to use some filesystem drivers as modules. Essentially, if the filesystem isn't Ext2, or cannot be made to look like Ext2 to the VFS, it cannot operate well if at all as a loadable module, because it has to patch the VFS.
Absolutely pathetic, this basically lowers all filesystems to the common denomonator that is ext2, and then tries to raise less feature rich filesystems to ext2 (DOS FAT for one.. Unix permissions? I don't think so!).
This obviously needs to be virtualized with a FS API where the filesystem can tell the VFS what it supports, what it doesn't, etc, instead of making the filesystem act like ext2, this should all be done "on the fly".
As I understand, many large sites already use ReiserFS (sourceforge for one). If VA Linux can depend on RFS for a huge site hosting massive numbers of open source projects such as Mesa, Open UT, Ghostscript, Slash, DRI, Sawfish, Python, Linux UDF, etc, I think it should be an option in the kernel for Joe User so he can store his porn reliably and not have to fsck every 10 mounts...
This is just absolutely pathetic.
-- iCEBaLM
Well thats great, but what if I don't want to use Mandrake? I'm screwed.
-- iCEBaLM
Realistically, this argument is silly. It doesn't matter if code "gets in the kernel". As long as it is available and can be patched into the kernel, then that's just fine!
While this is true for most drivers, when it comes to filesystems it really does matter.
Case in point: Which distributions allow me to use ReiserFS filesystems on installation? Well I haven't heard of one of them, so I am going to say a tenative zero. This is a problem. If I want to use ReiserFS for all my filesystems (root, usr, etc) I have to install a distribution using ext2, download ReiserFS and patch it into my kernel, make new partitions formatted with ReiserFS, copy everything over, and blow away the ext2 ones.
1. This effectively reduces the amount of disk space that can be used because you can't resize the partitions (not exactly sure about this, correction?)
2. It's a huge hassel to get a journaling filesystem which linux should have in the kernel by now!
3. Stock boot CD/Floppies will no longer be able to access the root/usr filesystems because.... ReiserFS isn't in their kernels!
4. I'd really like to see how you can load a module from a filesystem you can't read. (ReiserFS built as a module loading from a ReiserFS root filesystem, enjoy that chicken and egg)
As you can see, this makes using ReiserFS cumbersome at best. Jumping through massive hoops just to get functionality other *nix's have had for years (Journaling Filesystems) is pathetic really.
You have to realize, that when you write parts of the kernel or kernel modules, you are part of a community. You need to be able to work with everyone because the end goal is the same: Making Linux a better system.
Could you please tell Viro that? He doesn't seem to want to work with anyone, especially to fix a gaping feature hole. Pretty sad really, when "maintainers" are working to the detriment of Linux.
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One of the most vivid memories I have of my C64 is a little program which played "kung fu fighting", in clear AM quality audio. It was amazing for its time, I could hardly believe it.
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That's our side to it. Theirs, however, is tied to the (unfortunately legitimate) worry that DeCSS gives us a very easy start to circumventing country codes...
Which is a non-issue since by region price fixing is illegal under the WTO.
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The point is that BeOS could do those things even if you have a shitty sound card.
If you have a shitty soundcard, you're not going to care about doing those things.
$45 for an MX300 shipped, jesus..
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I was able to play nine uncompressed CD quality audio files simultaneously and independently vary the volume on each on the BeOS. I was never able to play more than one on the other operating systems I tried.
:), so I dunno where all this "can't do it in windows/linux" stuff comes from, maybe you just have a shitty soundcard.
Strange, with my nifty Diamond Monster MX300 soundcard in windows I have played 8 mp3's at once, 10 CD quality wav's at once (these were uncompressed cd ripped 1 minute samples), and tried both of those while recording even, and it worked fine. In Linux I can play 96 audio streams at a time if I was so inclined, but I've only made device files enough for 15
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Not weird at all... it only works at 16 bit mode. You are probably trying it on 32 bit display.
Rofl, well, that'd do it...
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Hah, actually the color pallete has a lot of blues/red/pink colors, I bet it would look pretty cool with 3D glasses on :)
I've tried it, and I've had some problems, the Audio seems to be fine, however the video is quite strange, it shows 2 instances of the video side by side with a really strange and slightly different color pallete on each one, I'm thinking if the two were converged it might display properly? Weird.
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