RE: Yep, a ratio of greater than 1:1 with the camera is needed (sorry - no sleep last night). I was thinking about our case (On hold for budget reasons), were everything is on video tape, and we only encode when we want to play something back. We encode, THEN give the folks the encoded video - the tape stays on the shelf. This way we only have to encode a portion of our daily tapes
If I remember right, it was going to cost a significant fraction of a million/month
I've looked into almost this exact problem (we had about 100 hours of full color video/day - broadcast quality)
Your going to have to get VERY friendly with your local "Storage Area Network" vendors. What we came up with as a best SHORT term solution was this - Store the video on Video tape or DVD (depending on quality requirements - DVD is NOT broadcast quality), and then use multiple players - things like DVD jukeboxes/tape changers. They can either be manually loaded, or a robot. You then use a cache to store the vidio on a last in/last out basis if you need fast playback (assumption here - the most recently used tapes are most likely to be used again)
Encoding isn't that bad a problem - you just use multiple encoding stations - You say you have 1000 cameras - you're probably going to need better than 1000 encoding stations (don't forget spares) - you batch up 1/2 hour (for example) files and write those out to the SAN when your done - while one station is encoding, the next is recording, and you batch the encoded file up into Near line storage, so you don't NEED real time
Storage is going to take space/money BIG MONEY - your talking about 30 DVDs worth of data/day depending on your robots. Figure 1000s/day
Your right that Ghost would be faster, but they CLAIM that there are so many models of PCs around the company that they can't do it. We do have everything from p90s to 2 gig machines around - Penny wise, pound foolish
Boy, you guys are NICE re-imaging their drives! Here at work if WE screw up one of our drives (yes, I'm a developer), they come in with a boot CD, install Windows ONLY, and WE are expected to set the rest up ourselves!
The biggest problem with this is when you do a LOT of COM/COM+ development, particularly when you are first fooling around with the interface design
In some ways I WISH the company that I work for would lock down the developers (I am one). One of our BIG problems is that our Teir One support guys think that the best way to debug any in house apps is to call the developer. We give them tools, but they won't use them. 90% of the time, we're getting a router failure
"No, we havn't released a new version in 3 months" "All the users on that subnet are down?" "Try calling IT Operations"
The thing is that people said that they didn't care about looks, and the other problems you could NOT tell that first year in the showroom - it was a flop from day one. The big lesson was that people DID care about looks and sport performance.
The people claimed they wanted a box, but that their neighbor would buy the sporty car
You know that once upon a time, one of the Detroit car companies interviewed a bunch of people on "What do you want in a car" -People said, Good fuel efficency, large cargo capacity, good visiblility, 4 passenger, etc, etc. They built it, and it FLOPPED! It was called the AMC Pacer.
The rule that car designers learned from that one was to ask the question "What kind of car would your next door neighbor want?" People are more free (read truthful) about giving non-pc answers
However, to say that is the ONLY purpose of the infantry is ultimately wrong. That is confusing their tactical purpose with their strategic purpose. Their strategic purpose is to act as an extension of government and to enforce foreign policy decisions in one form or another.
Someone's been reading their Clauswitz, huh?
(kaladorn - send me an email - see my replies to your other messages)
You (and the Col) are right, it is the danger. Like I said, it seems (In my biased view) that the 10th has kept in touch with at least some of their "Old Timers". I think this might be because they have remained light infantry (aka, non Mech)
Why does it seem like so few of us have actually studied why and how men fight?
What they have is called Institutional Memory. Those 77 year old vets show up to Ft Drum to talk to the current guys, and they get together out at Ft Carson. They have a fairly active Vets organization
Any time you have a unit with a "History" the unit KEEPS that history alive. It's part of what the guys fight and die for. It sounds silly, but that's the way it is. It's like firefighters and cops. Things run in families, and they try to get in the same precinct or firehouse
It's TRADITION that make "The Big Red One" what it is, the Marine Corps what it is, why sailors love "Their" ship etc
Want to study something interesting? Try to figure out what can cause a 18 year old young man to jump on a grenade, or get off the boat in Normandy
Think of the poem "The Charge of the Light Brigade"
http://eserver.org/poetry/light-brigade.html
Why would the 600 go? Answer that question, and you'll understand Unit History, Institutional Memory, and why knowing how to fight in the mountains 60 years ago makes a difference
"In my opinion there is no way that the allied nations can win this war against terrorism. Just as hercules faced the hydra, cut off one head and (at least) another will form in its place."
There IS a way to kill this hydra, but it can be VERY VERY ugly, and I don't know if we have the will. If pushed to the wall (aka enough deaths inside the US), I think (fear) we will do it. It's called genocide. When it's life or death, things like the moral high ground tend to go way
And your right, it's probably NOT a good time to be an American
This looks like it's going to be a Special Forces and Infantry fight, with DARNED good support.
One good thing is that the guys in the 10th Mtn have a fairly long memory, and they can think back. They were one of the divisions that went up the mountain spine of Italy. That is also VERY rough terrain. How did they deal with it? Their Recon Troop went to using Horses. The resupplied the rest of the guys with mules! They tried high tech (as it was during WWII) and had to go low tech
The 10th is trained to fight in the mountains (Therefore the Mtn patch), and the Special Forces of all types...
Disclaimer:
My Dad started out in the original Special Forces (Read OSS), and when he broke his leg, ended up in the 10th Mtn Recon troop, so I'm sort of emotionally attached to those guys
I don't work for Verizon, and I too have a critical line out of service, but you do have to understand one thing
Verizon lost, for all intents, 2 buildings on 9/11 - the 47 West St CO, and the Duane St CO. The Water st CO was one of the larger COs around - Just to give you an idea, it's got 5 basement levels. Last I heard, 4 and a hald of these levels are full of water. If you look at the building there is a huge chunk taken out of one side, and a bunch of above ground floors are partly collaped
The few Verizon guys I've seen around are all working 12+ hours/day 6-7 days/week trying to get phone lines up
Give'm a break this time. Usually I'm one of the first to say that Verizon sucks (because they do), but right now, they have a LOT of people working all sorts of hours just trying to get lines back
Heck, I've always used my real email here, and on the usenet and my web page too. Yes the SPAM is annoying. I wish there was a Windows Client Side software that would tap into the RBL/ORBS etc
As it is, I deal with the 20 or so pieces of spam I get every day with the delete key
Folks,
Passing secret data, if you have resources, is not that hard. Look up any book on "Field Craft" in the field of "Intelligence"
Real low bandwith messages are trivial - aka, attack tommorow. It could be a chalk mark on the wall, a newspaper folded a certain way etc.
Even more fun is to pass LOTS of encrypted messages in the clear, but 99% are nothing but random noise. Look up the topic "Numbers Station"
Add in a few cutoffs / dead drops, and it's trivial
Let's say OBL wants to send a message. He could use a combination of low/high tech. He uses a courier to move the data from where he is, to the first drop. The next person has NO idea where OBL is. They use another drop. That person sends a message via the net "Look at the new picture of my dog" might be the whole message - the data isn't even in the picture. Youc could go even further. Use some sort of Steg, but spread the message across multiple images.
The whole trick is to make the signal/noise ratio low enough that you can't see the signal unless you know where to look
Powerbasic's roots are more complex than that - Yes, Powerbasic has it roots in TurboBasic, but it's a buyback! They wrote it, sold it to Borland, and Borland sold it back
I still do some paying work in Powerbasic, and made my living doing PDS 7.0 for a lot of years, and now do (mostly) VB and SQL server. IMHO, If you want to find a GOOD VB programmer, find one who has programmed back in PDS or TurboBasic/PowerBasic. They seem to understand how the computer WORKS, so they don't write crap
Slashdot Mirror
But this story really blows
RE: Yep, a ratio of greater than 1:1 with the camera is needed (sorry - no sleep last night). I was thinking about our case (On hold for budget reasons), were everything is on video tape, and we only encode when we want to play something back. We encode, THEN give the folks the encoded video - the tape stays on the shelf. This way we only have to encode a portion of our daily tapes
If I remember right, it was going to cost a significant fraction of a million/month
I've looked into almost this exact problem (we had about 100 hours of full color video/day - broadcast quality)
Your going to have to get VERY friendly with your local "Storage Area Network" vendors. What we came up with as a best SHORT term solution was this - Store the video on Video tape or DVD (depending on quality requirements - DVD is NOT broadcast quality), and then use multiple players - things like DVD jukeboxes/tape changers. They can either be manually loaded, or a robot. You then use a cache to store the vidio on a last in/last out basis if you need fast playback (assumption here - the most recently used tapes are most likely to be used again)
Encoding isn't that bad a problem - you just use multiple encoding stations - You say you have 1000 cameras - you're probably going to need better than 1000 encoding stations (don't forget spares) - you batch up 1/2 hour (for example) files and write those out to the SAN when your done - while one station is encoding, the next is recording, and you batch the encoded file up into Near line storage, so you don't NEED real time
Storage is going to take space/money BIG MONEY - your talking about 30 DVDs worth of data/day depending on your robots. Figure 1000s/day
Charlie
Your right that Ghost would be faster, but they CLAIM that there are so many models of PCs around the company that they can't do it. We do have everything from p90s to 2 gig machines around - Penny wise, pound foolish
Boy, you guys are NICE re-imaging their drives! Here at work if WE screw up one of our drives (yes, I'm a developer), they come in with a boot CD, install Windows ONLY, and WE are expected to set the rest up ourselves!
The biggest problem with this is when you do a LOT of COM/COM+ development, particularly when you are first fooling around with the interface design
In some ways I WISH the company that I work for would lock down the developers (I am one). One of our BIG problems is that our Teir One support guys think that the best way to debug any in house apps is to call the developer. We give them tools, but they won't use them. 90% of the time, we're getting a router failure
"No, we havn't released a new version in 3 months" "All the users on that subnet are down?" "Try calling IT Operations"
Just remember one thing - Microsoft considers VB their most important development platform, to quote them "The Cobol of the 90s"
I'd also assume you'd want to do some sort of Time Domain relectometer stuff. If the signal changes by more than X, you've got a problem
The thing is that people said that they didn't care about looks, and the other problems you could NOT tell that first year in the showroom - it was a flop from day one. The big lesson was that people DID care about looks and sport performance.
The people claimed they wanted a box, but that their neighbor would buy the sporty car
You know that once upon a time, one of the Detroit car companies interviewed a bunch of people on "What do you want in a car" -People said, Good fuel efficency, large cargo capacity, good visiblility, 4 passenger, etc, etc. They built it, and it FLOPPED! It was called the AMC Pacer.
The rule that car designers learned from that one was to ask the question "What kind of car would your next door neighbor want?" People are more free (read truthful) about giving non-pc answers
Go to your district office, or better yet, the DC office, IN PERSON. You'll get heard. VERY few people will bother, and the ones that do, count
Someone's been reading their Clauswitz, huh?
(kaladorn - send me an email - see my replies to your other messages)
You (and the Col) are right, it is the danger. Like I said, it seems (In my biased view) that the 10th has kept in touch with at least some of their "Old Timers". I think this might be because they have remained light infantry (aka, non Mech)
Why does it seem like so few of us have actually studied why and how men fight?
What they have is called Institutional Memory. Those 77 year old vets show up to Ft Drum to talk to the current guys, and they get together out at Ft Carson. They have a fairly active Vets organization
Any time you have a unit with a "History" the unit KEEPS that history alive. It's part of what the guys fight and die for. It sounds silly, but that's the way it is. It's like firefighters and cops. Things run in families, and they try to get in the same precinct or firehouse
It's TRADITION that make "The Big Red One" what it is, the Marine Corps what it is, why sailors love "Their" ship etc
Want to study something interesting? Try to figure out what can cause a 18 year old young man to jump on a grenade, or get off the boat in Normandy
Think of the poem "The Charge of the Light Brigade"
http://eserver.org/poetry/light-brigade.html
Why would the 600 go? Answer that question, and you'll understand Unit History, Institutional Memory, and why knowing how to fight in the mountains 60 years ago makes a difference
There IS a way to kill this hydra, but it can be VERY VERY ugly, and I don't know if we have the will. If pushed to the wall (aka enough deaths inside the US), I think (fear) we will do it. It's called genocide. When it's life or death, things like the moral high ground tend to go way
And your right, it's probably NOT a good time to be an American
As Usual,
This looks like it's going to be a Special Forces and Infantry fight, with DARNED good support.
One good thing is that the guys in the 10th Mtn have a fairly long memory, and they can think back. They were one of the divisions that went up the mountain spine of Italy. That is also VERY rough terrain. How did they deal with it? Their Recon Troop went to using Horses. The resupplied the rest of the guys with mules! They tried high tech (as it was during WWII) and had to go low tech
The 10th is trained to fight in the mountains (Therefore the Mtn patch), and the Special Forces of all types...
Disclaimer:
My Dad started out in the original Special Forces (Read OSS), and when he broke his leg, ended up in the 10th Mtn Recon troop, so I'm sort of emotionally attached to those guys
I don't work for Verizon, and I too have a critical line out of service, but you do have to understand one thing
Verizon lost, for all intents, 2 buildings on 9/11 - the 47 West St CO, and the Duane St CO. The Water st CO was one of the larger COs around - Just to give you an idea, it's got 5 basement levels. Last I heard, 4 and a hald of these levels are full of water. If you look at the building there is a huge chunk taken out of one side, and a bunch of above ground floors are partly collaped
The few Verizon guys I've seen around are all working 12+ hours/day 6-7 days/week trying to get phone lines up
Give'm a break this time. Usually I'm one of the first to say that Verizon sucks (because they do), but right now, they have a LOT of people working all sorts of hours just trying to get lines back
I get the whole domain forwared to except 2 addresses (My Parents), so I do get them. It's still only 20 a day or so
Believe it or not, there is special string made for exactly this purpose - called a "Line Package"
It's a bobbin of string with a foam rubber end. The string is flat like dental floss, but MUCH stronger.
You put the bobbin in the conduit, secure the free end and then blow/suck the bobbin to the other end.
The advantage of this is that you are not pulling the string the whole way, it's just coming off the bobbin
They then use that string to pull a yellow polypropylene (I think) cord through, and then use that to pull the cable
You can get all of this (Plus pulling grease) at a good electrical supply house
Check out:
http://www.idealindustries.com/wi/PullLine.nsf
Heck, I've always used my real email here, and on the usenet and my web page too. Yes the SPAM is annoying. I wish there was a Windows Client Side software that would tap into the RBL/ORBS etc
As it is, I deal with the 20 or so pieces of spam I get every day with the delete key
Chuck Schumer? Right wing? He is an EXTREME Leftist from New York City. His main power base has traditionally been the Jewish Community.
BTW He is one of the most anti gun guys out there
Folks,
Passing secret data, if you have resources, is not that hard. Look up any book on "Field Craft" in the field of "Intelligence"
Real low bandwith messages are trivial - aka, attack tommorow. It could be a chalk mark on the wall, a newspaper folded a certain way etc.
Even more fun is to pass LOTS of encrypted messages in the clear, but 99% are nothing but random noise. Look up the topic "Numbers Station"
Add in a few cutoffs / dead drops, and it's trivial
Let's say OBL wants to send a message. He could use a combination of low/high tech. He uses a courier to move the data from where he is, to the first drop. The next person has NO idea where OBL is. They use another drop. That person sends a message via the net "Look at the new picture of my dog" might be the whole message - the data isn't even in the picture. Youc could go even further. Use some sort of Steg, but spread the message across multiple images.
The whole trick is to make the signal/noise ratio low enough that you can't see the signal unless you know where to look
John,
You Need a reason to procratinate? Your ALMOST as bad as I am
Wait till you run into some of the classic multi path problems, Cisco bugs etc
The app I work on at work uses multicast - a LOT. The big problem is router issues. Some version of IOS work with multicast, some don't
Sigh
Powerbasic's roots are more complex than that - Yes, Powerbasic has it roots in TurboBasic, but it's a buyback! They wrote it, sold it to Borland, and Borland sold it back
I still do some paying work in Powerbasic, and made my living doing PDS 7.0 for a lot of years, and now do (mostly) VB and SQL server. IMHO, If you want to find a GOOD VB programmer, find one who has programmed back in PDS or TurboBasic/PowerBasic. They seem to understand how the computer WORKS, so they don't write crap