Inertia for one. We just upgraded to the Nokia firewalls at work because it means we don't have to port the Rulebase. We caught hell from our Cisco reps when we didn't go with a PIX firewall - and we told them flat out that unless *cisco* paid to convert the rulebases it wasn't worth it.
The Nokia's are BSDi boxes running the Checkpoint code. I'm sure that if they can get the functionality of the Unix boxes (extended routing protocols like OSPF, BGP, etc) without paying the BSDi tax it's a big win. I would imagine that this also allows them to have a great deal of control over the whole thing - they're no longer dependent on Sun or HP or M$ when something goes Horribly Wrong betweent their product and the O/S. FYI - the Nokia's are *really* sweet - nearly all admin including interface configuration is via the web browser, but you can also SSH or telnet into them.
I *really* hope that this means that they're also releasing the GUI adming tool - it sucks editing their rulebases by hand.
Remember that this is a BETA release. It would not suprise me if they put the Beta under a more restrictive license to control how far the nastiness gets spread. Compaq wants to see who is using this and how in order to (I would imagine)have a better chance on getting feedback. I woundn't hesitate to start (nicely) prodding them on their intent for the final release, but don't assume that this BETA release is indiciative of the final thing.
Hey, nobody is *making* you read/. If you don't like it just go away. Or start your own site. I'm sure that Taco would be happy to refund the subscription that you paid for this service...
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Looks just like what you need... once they're on the market. Of course, they likely are worth more than the hardware that they're going into. Then again, if you *really* need fast and continuous access to the console, then you're likely doing something that either deserves more reliable hardware or you can afford it. My preference is to just attach a set of KB/Video extension cables and have then close easily accessible to plug in when necessary.
On the surface it does seem to be a bit hypocritical, but access to incumbent cable lines and access to AOL's IM servers are two different things. AOL using AT&T's cables into the home, where the homeowner is going to choose one or the other doesnt place a burden on AT&T. They got to build those facilities under franchise agreements and will still profit from the use of those lines.
M$ on the otherhand is outright hijacking AOL's servers and using them to attract customers away from AOL's services. M$ was perfectly free to set up their own servers and negotiate an agreement with AOL to somehow link the two systems. This way AOL doesn't have to pay for maintaing systems that it isn't seeing revenue come out of. What M$ is doing is outright theft of service.
1993 is about right. I remember going to Soalrus 2.3 in mid-late 1994. Solaris 2.1 wasn't that popular - or good for that matter. Same for 2.2 2.3 was "usable"
Yes, that's true - but if you actually read the article you'll see that it was running AIX, which is not GPL'd. They can release all the patches they want but unless you have teh AIX source code it's not goung to to a damn bit of good...
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Just don't forget here that for the commercial client $500-1000 for the software is small change. In arenas where time is money most profitable companies will pay dearly for every ounce of performance they can get. $1000 is cheap if keeps me from having to upgrade to a multi-processor box or port to a different platform.
And I say this as a Unix admin who works closely with the NT admin group - NT isn't that unstable. Our boxes run for months without a problem. The weakness comes in the apps it seems. Exchange for instance needs routine maintenance, and so do other packages. Adding or removing a package, changing network parameters, etc - yeah, that's a reboot. The boxes rarely fall over though. No, they're not up 100+ days, but when you have routime maintenance scheduled once a month anyway does it matter?
Remember though - these systems are total solutions - i.e. they include idiot-proof software to make MP3's out of audio CD's and cram them into the device.
I still can't see the piracy issues with these things. They're basically one-way devices- i.e. you can't easily extract the MP3's back out of them (AFAIK). Try putting a palmpilot-like IR port so you can beam songs to your friends and *then* watch the RIAA scream;)
It seems to make sense to me. It would let them ship an all-in-one solution without really increasing the cost of their product. These management platforms tend to be really dependent on the host OS and very demanding. I'd much rather seem them standardize on a particular unix flavor - like Linux - than bail out and go to NT. Most of the time when people implement a management platform of this type they usually put in on a new, dedicated box anyway. I think it would be pretty cool to be able to install the application at the same time as the O/S.
If I'm not mistaken there's already plenty of space junk up there - the lunar rover(s?) comes to mind. In any case, crash-landing the junk somewhere controlled is a heck of a lot better than letting it orbit until it smacks into some other body at thousands of MPH and does damage - possibly to a satellite or other craft.
Yes, the main server *is* a bit pricey, but folks generally don't use it behind a single DLT drive. The client-licenses are actually about US$150/each once you are licensed for a particular type of OS - i.e. you'll pay a fee for Unix, for NT, and Netware but the licenses themselves can be used for *any* platform that your licensed for. Not cheap, but it gets the job done.
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I think that the likely scenario for the wried house will be that you have a central access point for all such services - acting like a firewall and also providing a common entry point for controlling all of these services. After all, if I want to program my Magnavox VCR when I'm at the neighbors house why should I have to go out and download the magnavox specific software and install in on their PC first. Instead, I'm going to connect to my house's WWW enabled automation server (which only needs a single routable address) and do everything thru there. This is what's going to be actually controlling everything anyway... Why waste the money to build an interface and such into every single light switch - they're all just going to run SSMP (simple switc managemt protocol) and let the centreal controller handle the schduling and nasy stuff like interfacing with us humans.
Actually, my guess is that the industry should love it. There's no removable media for you to lend to your friends or sell on the street corner:)
Wonder when it'll have a remote interface so you can connect in over the 'net and program it for those times when you forget to before leaving for home...
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Inertia for one. We just upgraded to the Nokia firewalls at work because it means we don't have to port the Rulebase. We caught hell from our Cisco reps when we didn't go with a PIX firewall - and we told them flat out that unless *cisco* paid to convert the rulebases it wasn't worth it.
The Nokia's are BSDi boxes running the Checkpoint code. I'm sure that if they can get the functionality of the Unix boxes (extended routing protocols like OSPF, BGP, etc) without paying the BSDi tax it's a big win. I would imagine that this also allows them to have a great deal of control over the whole thing - they're no longer dependent on Sun or HP or M$ when something goes Horribly Wrong betweent their product and the O/S. FYI - the Nokia's are *really* sweet - nearly all admin including interface configuration is via the web browser, but you can also SSH or telnet into them.
I *really* hope that this means that they're also releasing the GUI adming tool - it sucks editing their rulebases by hand.
Remember that this is a BETA release. It would not suprise me if they put the Beta under a more restrictive license to control how far the nastiness gets spread. Compaq wants to see who is using this and how in order to (I would imagine)have a better chance on getting feedback. I woundn't hesitate to start (nicely) prodding them on their intent for the final release, but don't assume that this BETA release is indiciative of the final thing.
LOL - I can see it now, Mir up on blocks in the front yard of the new space station. Guess we *are* all just abunch of rednecks at heart...
Hey, nobody is *making* you read /. If you don't like it just go away. Or start your own site. I'm sure that Taco would be happy to refund the subscription that you paid for this service...
The PC Weasel
Looks just like what you need... once they're on the market. Of course, they likely are worth more than the hardware that they're going into. Then again, if you *really* need fast and continuous access to the console, then you're likely doing something that either deserves more reliable hardware or you can afford it. My preference is to just attach a set of KB/Video extension cables and have then close easily accessible to plug in when necessary.
In other words, just like *all* of their IPO's?
On the surface it does seem to be a bit hypocritical, but access to incumbent cable lines and access to AOL's IM servers are two different things. AOL using AT&T's cables into the home, where the homeowner is going to choose one or the other doesnt place a burden on AT&T. They got to build those facilities under franchise agreements and will still profit from the use of those lines.
M$ on the otherhand is outright hijacking AOL's servers and using them to attract customers away from AOL's services. M$ was perfectly free to set up their own servers and negotiate an agreement with AOL to somehow link the two systems. This way AOL doesn't have to pay for maintaing systems that it isn't seeing revenue come out of. What M$ is doing is outright theft of service.
NSI has always had "other" business- when they got the contract to be "internic" it was just a small part of their business.
Oh well, my favorite phrase will hopefully never become obsolete: If he was any dumber, we would have to water him.
Of course, that only works until those same chips become water-powered...
1993 is about right. I remember going to Soalrus 2.3 in mid-late 1994. Solaris 2.1 wasn't that popular - or good for that matter. Same for 2.2 2.3 was "usable"
Yes, that's true - but if you actually read the article you'll see that it was running AIX, which is not GPL'd. They can release all the patches they want but unless you have teh AIX source code it's not goung to to a damn bit of good...
Wonder is Pitt Students is a legal entity or not... if so, would this be a falsified domain registration? ;)
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Domain Name: ANTIONLINE.COM
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Vranesevich, John (VJ288) jp@ANTIONLINE.COM
724-728-6203
Billing Contact:
Vranesevich, John (VJ288) jp@ANTIONLINE.COM
724-728-6203
Record last updated on 03-Feb-99.
Record created on 05-Sep-97.
Database last updated on 30-Jun-99 10:01:39 EDT.
Domain servers in listed order:
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Just don't forget here that for the commercial client $500-1000 for the software is small change. In arenas where time is money most profitable companies will pay dearly for every ounce of performance they can get. $1000 is cheap if keeps me from having to upgrade to a multi-processor box or port to a different platform.
And I say this as a Unix admin who works closely with the NT admin group - NT isn't that unstable. Our boxes run for months without a problem. The weakness comes in the apps it seems. Exchange for instance needs routine maintenance, and so do other packages. Adding or removing a package, changing network parameters, etc - yeah, that's a reboot. The boxes rarely fall over though. No, they're not up 100+ days, but when you have routime maintenance scheduled once a month anyway does it matter?
Remember though - these systems are total solutions - i.e. they include idiot-proof software to make MP3's out of audio CD's and cram them into the device.
;)
I still can't see the piracy issues with these things. They're basically one-way devices- i.e. you can't easily extract the MP3's back out of them (AFAIK). Try putting a palmpilot-like IR port so you can beam songs to your friends and *then* watch the RIAA scream
It seems to make sense to me. It would let them ship an all-in-one solution without really increasing the cost of their product. These management platforms tend to be really dependent on the host OS and very demanding. I'd much rather seem them standardize on a particular unix flavor - like Linux - than bail out and go to NT. Most of the time when people implement a management platform of this type they usually put in on a new, dedicated box anyway. I think it would be pretty cool to be able to install the application at the same time as the O/S.
If I'm not mistaken there's already plenty of space junk up there - the lunar rover(s?) comes to mind. In any case, crash-landing the junk somewhere controlled is a heck of a lot better than letting it orbit until it smacks into some other body at thousands of MPH and does damage - possibly to a satellite or other craft.
Yes, the main server *is* a bit pricey, but folks generally don't use it behind a single DLT drive. The client-licenses are actually about US$150/each once you are licensed for a particular type of OS - i.e. you'll pay a fee for Unix, for NT, and Netware but the licenses themselves can be used for *any* platform that your licensed for. Not cheap, but it gets the job done.
I think that the likely scenario for the wried house will be that you have a central access point for all such services - acting like a firewall and also providing a common entry point for controlling all of these services. After all, if I want to program my Magnavox VCR when I'm at the neighbors house why should I have to go out and download the magnavox specific software and install in on their PC first. Instead, I'm going to connect to my house's WWW enabled automation server (which only needs a single routable address) and do everything thru there. This is what's going to be actually controlling everything anyway... Why waste the money to build an interface and such into every single light switch - they're all just going to run SSMP (simple switc managemt protocol) and let the centreal controller handle the schduling and nasy stuff like interfacing with us humans.
Actually, my guess is that the industry should love it. There's no removable media for you to lend to your friends or sell on the street corner :)
Wonder when it'll have a remote interface so you can connect in over the 'net and program it for those times when you forget to before leaving for home...