Text to speach and voice reconition was orgionally started by AT&T and I wonder what OS they ran, can you say Unix:)
I have a friend who was part of that team in the late 70's to the late 80's. I get the sinking suppision someone in MS switched inovation with porting. If you switch thoes words in their press relase it makes sence.
Now this idea I like. Teach them thoes tho spam are the worst folks around, group them withe drug dealers and such. Hopefully when the spammers hear about it, it might at least slow them up.
What company would want to do that when every one in turn will hate them... At least the (come see my new xxx page) they might get the point.
The problem I see with this, is the old addige, who polices the police. It's human nature. Each of us here don't like trolls, but... one man's troll is another mans hero.
If it where me, the corse of action I would have taken is force folks to use AC for there first few posts and then get a regular account like the rest of us. Give the AC's a 0 that cant be changed except by a negitive number, make by default any new account or ac not be able to see a -1 or lower. any troll or "spam" be sent as a -1 and there for not be able to be seen except by registered users who HAVE to set a threshold to -1.
Which hopefully would result in any new user checking it out, cant see the trolls. if someone has made say 5 good posts with out making any troll or flame bate then can get an account. All accounts would be set to a thresh hold of 0 by default.
If we want to see the neg. numbers we have to go digging into preferences and force it.
I didnt figure out the XX of XX thing till today. that if i clicked the higher number (which I did cause I "thought" I would get more comments on a page) I saw the "flame bait and trolls" if you remove that option, it may make some of the trolls and flame baiters leave.
Linux was mostly, if not all of it, was created by folks on the internet who spend more than 4 hours a day. So if any addiction can produce such a product as linux then, more power to the addicts!
I spend about 6 to 10 hours a day on the internet and my pc, I learn new technologys as they happen. I'm a network admin, if I can't keep up with the new technologys except by reading dead tree publications, which most of them take 4 months to publish, what good am I to the company.
If we have more people "addicted" to the internet see how much more they learn, you know they are at least going to be literate, and more users means more technology to give us bigger and badder technology.
I can see folks addicted to IRC especally in the "fluff" channels. but if your in a channel with say other linux users decussing the latest programs or getting help in an area where your knowledge is lacking, I'm sorry I just cant see it as a bad thing.
"Linux the OS written by and for internet addicts"
Well, I was 10 when my father brought home a 286. He bought through work for $5,000. (terrible isn't it) When he waited about 6 months to put this thing called a Modem in (cause he was trying to understand the AT commands:) I got fed up and did it my self, and had it running in about 15 mins (first time I opened the box.) When I dialed out to my first BBS it was a whole new world opening up, where I wasn't being looked down on because of my age. People respected what I said. Where as in school when I took a "computer class" working with old Commies, and apple 2 E's I would complain. This kind of discussion with the teacher stood out cause, most of the kids had never been set in front of a computer before. So this stereo type would stick. My advanced knowledge put me up a few rungs in there eyes, when it came to computers, however the same knowledge separated me from the group.
You know how it goes, Girls will talk to a guy who shares the same interest, but what girl in highschool at the time used computers? (None at my school) At the time that 286 was the center point of my life.
Well in HS it grew even farther apart when I discovered the internet for the first time. I really started to stand out when I spoke of telnet, Archie, etc.
Well after a few years of me and my pc's (to make a really long story short), my wife landed at my doorstep cause, of a friend at the time tossed her out. We started talking, and realized we shared lot of the same experiences. Mostly of ex's and the brunt of how careless they where.
Now my wife knows little of what a pc is or does. She had never set down in front of one before I surprised her with a mothers day present of her own pc. She's now at the point of doing the irc, e-mail, and learning to make www pages. It takes some work but I notice, a carrot in front of a horse works better than showing the front door.
Heck yes, every geek I have met wants a girlfriend/wife that is a computer geek. (Only problem I see is they may want to swap my good pc parts for there:) )
I'm sure everyone of us with a SO has heard the complaint "you spend so much time on that thing, you never pay any attention to me/us" Easy way to solve that is build her, her own pc. Chances are she's not voicing it, but she just doesn't truly understand your fascination with it. But don't get trapped with the "well set it up for me" item. They love this, show them about readme files and instructions there in. And turn them loose. If they have a problem show them the resources to get the information, so there active in figuring out how to do it.
Once after that, they have caught the bug we at/. have, you then have a mate that's a budding geek.
As far as meeting that person, a wise friend once said to me "if you go looking for it, you wont be happy. Let it find you. It will. It will just take time." Mine ended up being dropped on my front doorstep:)
2 other guys an me run a Internet radiostation using realaudio for the past 8-9 months. So i could tell from the broadcast a few adjustments need to be made.
(keep in mind this is for the realaudio)
For audio:
If you want to keep it low bandwith mono go with the 16k encodeing, the 8.5k sounds like your talking into a tin can. I could only understand 50% of what you where saying.
Make sure you check your sound levels first before you start recording. I was watching the recording levels on my end and you where peaking alot (meaning it was all the way up in the solid red) at that point the sound got even more trashed.
If your encoding to mp3 first then to ra, run it through a tape player or a cd if ya can to keep the sound "whole" instead of converting the file.
The content what I could hear was really good tho i'm sure as many have stated before hand 2 at most should be talking at the same time, when you ad a third person talking at the same time trying to get a point across its hard to understand that person, but stuff like laughing is ok cause we get that point either way:)
As for the videos... There about as good as ra gets you will have to play with the video settings to get a better grip tho the one with cmdr taco was better, With RA ya have to lose the sliding effects cause ra's nature to take shortcuts when rendering makes it real jerky. The question prompts durring the interview where ok they worked rather well.
other than that it was a good first try (i have heard alot worse)
If you guys (shashdot)would like more advice dont hesitate to ask you have my info
Folks when I began linux, about 6 months ago. I had been useing MS since 82, I learned the os inside and out, it was my own world back then and (for some unkown reason) can do an MS win9X install in under 30 mins and have it on the net. It got boring. what a geek to do when he's mastered an os to the point he can build/repair/fix a windows pc in his sleep.
I turned to this little OS, that I could teak to my hearts content, binaries are virtually non-existant. So if i want to build a pc to say, be nothing but a mail server, I can do that easily instead of loading 250megs for the os and another 250 megs incase i have to change the networking (its an annoying little habbit they have picked up)
I thanked my friend (thanks Paul M. you know who you are) and have been playing to my hearts content. I was interdused to a linux users group in my area and met some great guys, "hey this guy knows his stuff, and man I want my pc to do that too" was what I was thinking.
So of all this time in the linux comunity I have learned alot about respect, (according to my friends I missed the class on spelling)When someone shows spam like this and points it at us he's won so let them scream we have no move left to make.
Why they already won (mindcraft):
1) If nt still comes out by a hair, they can say "say i told ya we where impartial, an see how you slandard us "points to his posts on the www page. 2) If we start touting that there not fair for putting the e-mails up, they can point saying "see the kiddy linux users, I can just imagine there OS, if they cant be responsibe for there own users..." well you know the rest of it. 3) Even when/if linux does beat nt, then they can just point to the flame and say "do you want you os to be written by "these" guys?"
Only way to rise above it,
To give what ever aid to our linux hero's who defend our work. And jus plain injore the garbage, we are better than that. I may not have written the kernal but, I like to think that spreading the word amongst some of my friends there may be down the line a new great program will be written by an action I set forth today.
We can shout at each other all we want and quote Neticate till we are blue in the face, but the only thing it does is keep fellow/. folks groumble, chances are the people who wrote that don't bother reading the wonderful news bullitans here at/. (adjust his/. cap (thanks copy left)
Fact is some of the kiddies got ticked at the unfairness of the benchmark, and want to defend there favorite penguin, can't blame them, so Mindcraft, who already got paid, used the kiddie posts to put the final kick at us (probbly cause the kiddies dropped there e-mail server)And use us as a shield incase PC Weeks benchmark show linux the winner. (ie these Linux lovers are hard to work with)
On the lighter side, us real system admins uasully injore the benchmarks, we know why, cause you can't have a truly 100% objective benchmark of two different operating systems. You write the benchmark for one os now you have to port it to the other, and who's to say you ported it right. Just too many things can go wrong
Me, I choose the OS and equipment baised on 1) can i easily install it 2) how fast can i make it 3) how much it costs me 4) and how much will $$, get me in speed 5) i want to hit it with a brick and see if it falls, if it does how fast can i put it together 6) can i play with it when i'm board:) (being honest now)
Now if the kiddies want to have a flame war with a compainy's paid "benchmark" let them play the PR war. and we tune them out till they come to there sences. (geez don't I sound old (snaps his supenders))
To be honest I dont care if we beat nt. I know the network I administer over, won't have nt as a server on it. and just in a few years, be running linux servers instead of sco. I chose linux cause it was felexabe, and I could help with its developement in a small way and feel like I belong to a sort of computer family (with the occasional blacksheep). I still run Win9X at home but only for the Real Audio Encoder, other than that the network would be 100% linux mostly just so I can play with it some more. I'll be honest I am no programmer. I'm lucky to make a database in fox/Recital for work, and the odd script. I enjoy being around other linux folks. I Enjoy playing with the os. And learning about happings in the linux world. I mean lets face 99% of us are responsible folks of good character, and that 1% the moderatiors keep out.
So as far as the flame wars go.. is it going to change the ending? no. Is it going to make each and everyone of us format our hd's and pull the microsoft software out of the bubble pack, left over from when we origionally baught our pc's and now show it off like a trophy before installing it, no.
Then let the kiddies flame fly, i'll be in the play room... er computer lab. All this communication is makeing my head hurt.
"SCO also gives away copies of SCO Unix for non-commercial use" Rofl. Sorry folks i have been lurking for quite a while. That line had me going. I work as a Systems Administrator for small company. We use SCO OpenServer software. I came into this job with some linux background but there are some differences. But my point being, their "free sco" they dont tell you you have to buy a "press kit" version, and durring the install you have to register it with sco in order for it to work. This press kit runs $49.95 After these few months comparing SCO to Redhat, I can easly see why he said this. I would be quakeing in my boots too. After showing my boss the CEO the news and showing him actual truth, it looks like Sco just lost $3,000 in business to a little penguin with a red hat.
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Text to speach and voice reconition was orgionally started by AT&T and I wonder what OS they ran, can you say Unix
I have a friend who was part of that team in the late 70's to the late 80's. I get the sinking suppision someone in MS switched inovation with porting. If you switch thoes words in their press relase it makes sence.
It was my understanding, Time warner doesnt own RR but they are just in contracts with each other.
But I may be wrong
Well acording to the movie R was ... clumbsy, it could add an interesting part.
James closes in with the latest car hits the button for the rocket launcher and boom is ejected from the car.
It could add an interesting twist. A bond movie where the toy's misfire.
Cormac
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ROFL that comment deserves points if I ever saw one. Remember thoes are an Indangered now!
I can see the bumper stickers already...
"Save the packard bells" hehehe
Now this idea I like. Teach them thoes tho spam are the worst folks around, group them withe drug dealers and such. Hopefully when the spammers hear about it, it might at least slow them up.
What company would want to do that when every one in turn will hate them... At least the (come see my new xxx page) they might get the point.
Thats scary enough to make me want to go back to M$ At least I know who i'm dealing with :)
The problem I see with this, is the old addige, who polices the police. It's human nature. Each of us here don't like trolls, but... one man's troll is another mans hero.
If it where me, the corse of action I would have taken is force folks to use AC for there first few posts and then get a regular account like the rest of us. Give the AC's a 0 that cant be changed except by a negitive number, make by default any new account or ac not be able to see a -1 or lower. any troll or "spam" be sent as a -1 and there for not be able to be seen except by registered users who HAVE to set a threshold to -1.
Which hopefully would result in any new user checking it out, cant see the trolls. if someone has made say 5 good posts with out making any troll or flame bate then can get an account. All accounts would be set to a thresh hold of 0 by default.
If we want to see the neg. numbers we have to go digging into preferences and force it.
I didnt figure out the XX of XX thing till today. that if i clicked the higher number (which I did cause I "thought" I would get more comments on a page) I saw the "flame bait and trolls" if you remove that option, it may make some of the trolls and flame baiters leave.
Just my thoughts on the subject...
Cormac
Its scary if you think about it.
Linux was mostly, if not all of it, was created by folks on the internet who spend more than 4 hours a day. So if any addiction can produce such a product as linux then, more power to the addicts!
I spend about 6 to 10 hours a day on the internet and my pc, I learn new technologys as they happen. I'm a network admin, if I can't keep up with the new technologys except by reading dead tree publications, which most of them take 4 months to publish, what good am I to the company.
If we have more people "addicted" to the internet see how much more they learn, you know they are at least going to be literate, and more users means more technology to give us bigger and badder technology.
I can see folks addicted to IRC especally in the "fluff" channels. but if your in a channel with say other linux users decussing the latest programs or getting help in an area where your knowledge is lacking, I'm sorry I just cant see it as a bad thing.
"Linux the OS written by and for internet addicts"
Well, :) I got fed up and did it my self, and had it running in about 15 mins (first time I opened the box.) When I dialed out to my first BBS it was a whole new world opening up, where I wasn't being looked down on because of my age. People respected what I said. Where as in school when I took a "computer class" working with old Commies, and apple 2 E's I would complain. This kind of discussion with the teacher stood out cause, most of the kids had never been set in front of a computer before. So this stereo type would stick. My advanced knowledge put me up a few rungs in there eyes, when it came to computers, however the same knowledge separated me from the group.
/. have, you then have a mate that's a budding geek.
:)
I was 10 when my father brought home a 286. He bought through work for $5,000. (terrible isn't it) When he waited about 6 months to put this thing called a Modem in (cause he was trying to understand the AT commands
You know how it goes, Girls will talk to a guy who shares the same interest, but what girl in highschool at the time used computers? (None at my school) At the time that 286 was the center point of my life.
Well in HS it grew even farther apart when I discovered the internet for the first time. I really started to stand out when I spoke of telnet, Archie, etc.
Well after a few years of me and my pc's (to make a really long story short), my wife landed at my doorstep cause, of a friend at the time tossed her out. We started talking, and realized we shared lot of the same experiences. Mostly of ex's and the brunt of how careless they where.
Now my wife knows little of what a pc is or does. She had never set down in front of one before I surprised her with a mothers day present of her own pc. She's now at the point of doing the irc, e-mail, and learning to make www pages. It takes some work but I notice, a carrot in front of a horse works better than showing the front door.
Heck yes, every geek I have met wants a girlfriend/wife that is a computer geek. (Only problem I see is they may want to swap my good pc parts for there:) )
I'm sure everyone of us with a SO has heard the complaint "you spend so much time on that thing, you never pay any attention to me/us" Easy way to solve that is build her, her own pc. Chances are she's not voicing it, but she just doesn't truly understand your fascination with it. But don't get trapped with the "well set it up for me" item. They love this, show them about readme files and instructions there in. And turn them loose. If they have a problem show them the resources to get the information, so there active in figuring out how to do it.
Once after that, they have caught the bug we at
As far as meeting that person, a wise friend once said to me "if you go looking for it, you wont be happy. Let it find you. It will. It will just take time." Mine ended up being dropped on my front doorstep
2 other guys an me run a Internet radiostation using realaudio for the past 8-9 months. So i could tell from the broadcast a few adjustments need to be made.
(keep in mind this is for the realaudio)
For audio:
If you want to keep it low bandwith mono go with the 16k encodeing, the 8.5k sounds like your talking into a tin can. I could only understand 50% of what you where saying.
Make sure you check your sound levels first before you start recording. I was watching the recording levels on my end and you where peaking alot (meaning it was all the way up in the solid red) at that point the sound got even more trashed.
If your encoding to mp3 first then to ra, run it through a tape player or a cd if ya can to keep the sound "whole" instead of converting the file.
The content what I could hear was really good tho i'm sure as many have stated before hand 2 at most should be talking at the same time, when you ad a third person talking at the same time trying to get a point across its hard to understand that person, but stuff like laughing is ok cause we get that point either way:)
As for the videos... There about as good as ra gets you will have to play with the video settings to get a better grip tho the one with cmdr taco was better, With RA ya have to lose the sliding effects cause ra's nature to take shortcuts when rendering makes it real jerky. The question prompts durring the interview where ok they worked rather well.
other than that it was a good first try (i have heard alot worse)
If you guys (shashdot)would like more advice dont hesitate to ask you have my info
Cormac
Folks when I began linux, about 6 months ago. I had been useing MS since 82, I learned the os inside and out, it was my own world back then and (for some unkown reason) can do an MS win9X install in under 30 mins and have it on the net. It got boring. what a geek to do when he's mastered an os to the point he can build/repair/fix a windows pc in his sleep.
/. folks groumble, chances are the people who wrote that don't bother reading the wonderful news bullitans here at /. (adjust his /. cap (thanks copy left)
:) (being honest now)
I turned to this little OS, that I could teak to my hearts content, binaries are virtually non-existant. So if i want to build a pc to say, be nothing but a mail server, I can do that easily instead of loading 250megs for the os and another 250 megs incase i have to change the networking (its an annoying little habbit they have picked up)
I thanked my friend (thanks Paul M. you know who you are) and have been playing to my hearts content. I was interdused to a linux users group in my area and met some great guys, "hey this guy knows his stuff, and man I want my pc to do that too" was what I was thinking.
So of all this time in the linux comunity I have learned alot about respect, (according to my friends I missed the class on spelling)When someone shows spam like this and points it at us he's won so let them scream we have no move left to make.
Why they already won (mindcraft):
1) If nt still comes out by a hair, they can say "say i told ya we where impartial, an see how you slandard us "points to his posts on the www page.
2) If we start touting that there not fair for putting the e-mails up, they can point saying "see the kiddy linux users, I can just imagine there OS, if they cant be responsibe for there own users..." well you know the rest of it.
3) Even when/if linux does beat nt, then they can just point to the flame and say "do you want you os to be written by "these" guys?"
Only way to rise above it,
To give what ever aid to our linux hero's who defend our work. And jus plain injore the garbage, we are better than that. I may not have written the kernal but, I like to think that spreading the word amongst some of my friends there may be down the line a new great program will be written by an action I set forth today.
We can shout at each other all we want and quote Neticate till we are blue in the face, but the only thing it does is keep fellow
Fact is some of the kiddies got ticked at the unfairness of the benchmark, and want to defend there favorite penguin, can't blame them, so Mindcraft, who already got paid, used the kiddie posts to put the final kick at us (probbly cause the kiddies dropped there e-mail server)And use us as a shield incase PC Weeks benchmark show linux the winner. (ie these Linux lovers are hard to work with)
On the lighter side, us real system admins uasully injore the benchmarks, we know why, cause you can't have a truly 100% objective benchmark of two different operating systems. You write the benchmark for one os now you have to port it to the other, and who's to say you ported it right. Just too many things can go wrong
Me, I choose the OS and equipment baised on
1) can i easily install it
2) how fast can i make it
3) how much it costs me
4) and how much will $$, get me in speed
5) i want to hit it with a brick and see if it falls, if it does how fast can i put it together
6) can i play with it when i'm board
Now if the kiddies want to have a flame war with a compainy's paid "benchmark" let them play the PR war. and we tune them out till they come to there sences. (geez don't I sound old (snaps his supenders))
To be honest I dont care if we beat nt. I know the network I administer over, won't have nt as a server on it. and just in a few years, be running linux servers instead of sco. I chose linux cause it was felexabe, and I could help with its developement in a small way and feel like I belong to a sort of computer family (with the occasional blacksheep). I still run Win9X at home but only for the Real Audio Encoder, other than that the network would be 100% linux mostly just so I can play with it some more. I'll be honest I am no programmer. I'm lucky to make a database in fox/Recital for work, and the odd script. I enjoy being around other linux folks. I Enjoy playing with the os. And learning about happings in the linux world. I mean lets face 99% of us are responsible folks of good character, and that 1% the moderatiors keep out.
So as far as the flame wars go.. is it going to change the ending? no. Is it going to make each and everyone of us format our hd's and pull the microsoft software out of the bubble pack, left over from when we origionally baught our pc's and now show it off like a trophy before installing it, no.
Then let the kiddies flame fly, i'll be in the play room... er computer lab. All this communication is makeing my head hurt.
Cormac
This is a little un..nerving. I'm due to get cablemodem service installed this up comming weekend.
I'm Glad i ordered the standard service (for the wife)
"SCO also gives away copies of SCO Unix for non-commercial use" Rofl. Sorry folks i have been lurking for quite a while. That line had me going. I work as a Systems Administrator for small company. We use SCO OpenServer software. I came into this job with some linux background but there are some differences.
But my point being, their "free sco" they dont tell you you have to buy a "press kit" version, and durring the install you have to register it with sco in order for it to work. This press kit runs $49.95
After these few months comparing SCO to Redhat, I can easly see why he said this. I would be quakeing in my boots too.
After showing my boss the CEO the news and showing him actual truth, it looks like Sco just lost $3,000 in business to a little penguin with a red hat.
Cormac McFionn