These reports showing declines in tech grads among Americans are bullshit. There was a similar article in High Tech Careers Mag, which also had a report like this. But the mag refuted the statistics. Dont be fooled, industry just wants to be able to bring in more foreign workers who will work for less than the average American. It's all a ploy to save bucks by American corporations.
"Punk kids" - lets see, I believe Mr Einstein was 26 years old when he published his Theory of Special Relativity, which the "old farts" didn't seem to be able to figure out.
And, who, but you, says that Linux people want to be Bill Gates. I believe that Mr. Torvalds released Linux under the General Public License, is that not true. Did he horde it like Mr Gates did with DOS, thinking only of bucks?
Linux an underdog, it's no underdog in my household, it's top dog, in fact it's the only dog.
Linux "fanatics", perhaps some are old deadhead bored people, but Linux people have passion for their work, and thats a good thing, passion is the spice of living
Perhaps you better get your nose into your computer a little more, and you'd see information out there about hundreds of big companies using Linux. I have a link I'll share with you listing some of those companies, I believe its through linux.org (Notice it's.org and not.com, kind of tells you that they aint out for big bucks like Gates, can you imagine microsoft.org, HA!
A final note, decision makers in big companies are usually non-technical people who are slow to catch on, but they will, especially when they see how Linux can save their budgets and when some of these "punks" start showing em what can be done with it. In fact, before too long, these "punks" *WILL* be the decision makers!
I can see it now. At some later time, you're filling out that job application and you get to the question: 'Have you ever been convicted in a court of law?' !!
You think the founding fathers didn't separate the church and state. Read these:
"The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion" John Adams, 1797
"...the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the Magna-Carta (constitution) of our country" George Washington, 1789
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the WHOLE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHICH DECLARED that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the FREE exercise thereof', thus, building a wall of separation between Church and State" Thomas Jefferson, 1802 (emphasis added)
"Governments are limited by the ESSENTIAL DISTINCTION between civil and religious functions" James Madison, 1811 (emphasis added)
"Leave the matter of religion to the family, the altar, the church, and the PRIVATE school, supported entirely by PRIVATE contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate" Ulysses S. Grant, 1875
It's looking to me like these kinds of kids are becoming more and more average
Your post is Much ado about the wrong thing
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Yes, it's so intelligent it doesn't make any practical sense. Guns are the ultimate expression of that anger and hopelessness. Notice how these things are alway school "shootings". How many of these students have gone on a ball-peen hammer rampage, NONE! The hammer's primary purpose is for the handling of nails and construction. Yes, it could kill somebody, but thats not the primary image one gets of a hammer.
But a gun...and what about bombs
If guns weren't so readily available, I doubt there would have been so many dead people, which IS the issue. Without the guns, that anger and hopelessness might have been taken out with a fistfight, where at least there might have been SOME hope for resolution. But guns usually leave the anger and hopelessness unresolved, because dead people can't resolve anything.
Society is not the cause!
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You seem to be arriving at the exact opposite conclusion of your opening statement. You said society was not the cause
Then you go on to say, their parents failed them, their teachers failed them, the law had them in trouble before, but did nothing to get to the root cause. No one payed attention to the early warning signs, etc
Now, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that parents, teachers, cops, counselors, peers, etc - those things basically define society dont they?
How can you say society is not at fault and then go on to blame all the components that constitute society
Its like saying there is nothing wrong with my car, it just has a bad engine, a bad transmission, faulty brakes, and a rusted out body
This crap doesn't happen in other so-called developed nations, like Australia, Britain, Germany, France, etc.
There HAS TO BE something unique about America and American society that causes this. The British kids listen to heavy metal and grunge and what not, they watch movies, but they're not allowed to own guns. And, they're corporate environment is not quite as demanding, maybe we have just enough extra factors to push us over the edge?
One thing I see is people defending their industries. So, internet workers say, oh no, it cant be the internet, hollywood types say oh no, its not movies
And I have seen a lot of bunk on here about teen violence going down. Well, it went down the last couple of years, but it is still WAY up from ten years ago. And, do we believe the recent statistics. I mean we do have a president who loves to shine in the polls, maybe he can fiddle around with those statistics
I think TV is a factor as well. Look how many kids can talk about all kinds of movies and video games and such. Ask em what Orion is, and the first thing they say is that its a film company. They never heard about the constellation or much less that theres a red giant there, or what a red giant is. Ask em what the primary argument of the civil war was, or why the founding fathers separated church from state. They dont know, but I grew up overseas and the British kids I hung out with knew more about American history, science, math, etc than just about any American kid.
Sometimes it really is as simple as it looks.
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I dont know where you are getting your statistics about teen violence being down, but you are WRONG, and you are BIG TIME WRONG
A FACT FROM THE CDC National Center for Injury Prevention and Control:
Annual rates of firearm homicide for youth 15-19 years of age increased 155% between 1987 and 1994
In 1995, 7.6% or 1 in 12 students in a national survey reported carrying a firearm for fighting or self-defense at least once in the previous 30 days. In 1990, this was true of 4.1% or 1 in 24 students.
So you see, teen violence DOUBLED in 5 years.
And one of the reasons you dont see as much violence in the inner city schools is because they are more likely to use metal detection devices. The poor, people of color are not to be trusted? In inner cities the violence is away from school.
Raw lines of code doesn't take into account many factors, including code/architecture design, domain engineering, incorporation of COTS products, customer briefings, design reviews, code/unit test, system test support. It may give an idea of the system complexity or the system inefficiency, do they really know. I heard all kinds of managers talk about SLOC, I say SLOC off.
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I think O'Reilly books are awesome. Of course, they do expect that you know a little bit.
These reports showing declines in tech grads among Americans are bullshit. There was a similar article in High Tech Careers Mag, which also had a report like this. But the mag refuted the statistics. Dont be fooled, industry just wants to be able to bring in more foreign workers who will work for less than the average American. It's all a ploy to save bucks by American corporations.
"Punk kids" - lets see, I believe Mr Einstein was 26 years old when he published his Theory of Special Relativity, which the "old farts" didn't seem to be able to figure out.
And, who, but you, says that Linux people want to be Bill Gates. I believe that Mr. Torvalds released Linux under the General Public License, is that not true. Did he horde it like Mr Gates did with DOS, thinking only of bucks?
Linux an underdog, it's no underdog in my household, it's top dog, in fact it's the only dog.Linux "fanatics", perhaps some are old deadhead bored people, but Linux people have passion for their work, and thats a good thing, passion is the spice of living
Perhaps you better get your nose into your computer a little more, and you'd see information out there about hundreds of big companies using Linux. I have a link I'll share with you listing some of those companies, I believe its through linux.org (Notice it's .org and not .com, kind of tells you that they aint out for big bucks like Gates, can you imagine microsoft.org, HA!
A final note, decision makers in big companies are usually non-technical people who are slow to catch on, but they will, especially when they see how Linux can save their budgets and when some of these "punks" start showing em what can be done with it. In fact, before too long, these "punks" *WILL* be the decision makers!
I can see it now. At some later time, you're filling out that job application and you get to the question: 'Have you ever been convicted in a court of law?' !!
Why do you need cable modem to be online 24-7, I have that with a normal ISP.
You think the founding fathers didn't separate the church and state. Read these:
"The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion" John Adams, 1797
"...the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation, respecting religion, from the Magna-Carta (constitution) of our country" George Washington, 1789
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the WHOLE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHICH DECLARED that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the FREE exercise thereof', thus, building a wall of separation between Church and State" Thomas Jefferson, 1802 (emphasis added)
"Governments are limited by the ESSENTIAL DISTINCTION between civil and religious functions" James Madison, 1811 (emphasis added)
"Leave the matter of religion to the family, the altar, the church, and the PRIVATE school, supported entirely by PRIVATE contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate" Ulysses S. Grant, 1875
It's looking to me like these kinds of kids are becoming more and more average
Yes, it's so intelligent it doesn't make any practical sense. Guns are the ultimate expression of that anger and hopelessness. Notice how these things are alway school "shootings". How many of these students have gone on a ball-peen hammer rampage, NONE! The hammer's primary purpose is for the handling of nails and construction. Yes, it could kill somebody, but thats not the primary image one gets of a hammer.
But a gun...and what about bombs
If guns weren't so readily available, I doubt there would have been so many dead people, which IS the issue. Without the guns, that anger and hopelessness might have been taken out with a fistfight, where at least there might have been SOME hope for resolution. But guns usually leave the anger and hopelessness unresolved, because dead people can't resolve anything.You seem to be arriving at the exact opposite conclusion of your opening statement. You said society was not the cause
Then you go on to say, their parents failed them, their teachers failed them, the law had them in trouble before, but did nothing to get to the root cause. No one payed attention to the early warning signs, etc
Now, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that parents, teachers, cops, counselors, peers, etc - those things basically define society dont they?
How can you say society is not at fault and then go on to blame all the components that constitute society
Its like saying there is nothing wrong with my car, it just has a bad engine, a bad transmission, faulty brakes, and a rusted out body
The the question I've been asking:
Why primarily the US?
This crap doesn't happen in other so-called developed nations, like Australia, Britain, Germany, France, etc.
There HAS TO BE something unique about America and American society that causes this. The British kids listen to heavy metal and grunge and what not, they watch movies, but they're not allowed to own guns. And, they're corporate environment is not quite as demanding, maybe we have just enough extra factors to push us over the edge?
One thing I see is people defending their industries. So, internet workers say, oh no, it cant be the internet, hollywood types say oh no, its not movies
And I have seen a lot of bunk on here about teen violence going down. Well, it went down the last couple of years, but it is still WAY up from ten years ago. And, do we believe the recent statistics. I mean we do have a president who loves to shine in the polls, maybe he can fiddle around with those statistics
I think TV is a factor as well. Look how many kids can talk about all kinds of movies and video games and such. Ask em what Orion is, and the first thing they say is that its a film company. They never heard about the constellation or much less that theres a red giant there, or what a red giant is. Ask em what the primary argument of the civil war was, or why the founding fathers separated church from state. They dont know, but I grew up overseas and the British kids I hung out with knew more about American history, science, math, etc than just about any American kid.
I dont know where you are getting your statistics about teen violence being down, but you are WRONG, and you are BIG TIME WRONG
A FACT FROM THE CDC National Center for Injury Prevention and Control:
Annual rates of firearm homicide for youth 15-19 years of age increased 155% between 1987 and 1994
In 1995, 7.6% or 1 in 12 students in a national survey reported carrying a firearm for fighting or self-defense at least once in the previous 30 days. In 1990, this was true of 4.1% or 1 in 24 students.
So you see, teen violence DOUBLED in 5 years.
And one of the reasons you dont see as much violence in the inner city schools is because they are more likely to use metal detection devices. The poor, people of color are not to be trusted? In inner cities the violence is away from school.
Raw lines of code doesn't take into account many factors, including code/architecture design, domain engineering, incorporation of COTS products, customer briefings, design reviews, code/unit test, system test support. It may give an idea of the system complexity or the system inefficiency, do they really know. I heard all kinds of managers talk about SLOC, I say SLOC off.