i personaly leave win95 far behind and for now just digging in NT for few hours per year (mostly because of word).
but i still consider myself and some other "alternative" OS users more competent to talk about windows and MS than MS users are competent to talk about those "other" OSes.
what's the problem? with few (read 1000+US$) to buy some super-cool-windows-kernel-compiled-personal-editio n and with few (read 1GB+) bytes on HD and few (read month+) free hours i'm sure you can get custom build super-windows-3000 kernel.
:)
p.s.: count some inflation numbers while those US$, GB and hours are meant for todays situation
The Net movie (with Sandra Bullock) just come to my mind:)
it is not that acurate nor some true art but it points out some pretty good implications and possibilities of abusing information systems (by whoever).
yeah. i agree about encryption. i agree strongly with encryption.
do not let governments ban or criple strong encryption.
and just to be sure: encourage variety of formats (thus interoperability) - do not let someone (some company? some government? some E.T.s?) unify our tools to made [this task] (this = echelon and similar projects) easier.
democracy will save ourselves (i.e. individuals) as long as propaganda (which is very effective when based on alredy collected data) do not overpower our judgement thus abilities of "Ambition will be kept in check by...ambition".
so think when voting and cry when hurted by government.
nowadays people are forced to think more (which is good:) and this trend will continue because of technological advance) because otherwise they became "good litle sheep farmed by government". i just fear that significant portion of population [like/will like] that and thus i lose my [right/privacy/...] because of them giving power to some "farmer".
if i'm working on some UNIX machine on which i'm not the root (or not the only one root) i know that somebody CAN watch what i'm doing and look at my files.
if someone is told that he has BO on his machine for remote administration and he do not realize he can be watched it's his own fault.
and something litle about administrstors: if admin is competent, than he care about proper functioning of system not about spying users for fun (or whatever).
If I leave my home unlocked at night, is that a security problem?
IMHO it is. good thiefs know that people are ussualy leaving garden doors open, that key is hidden near the doors, that valuable objects are somewhere under bed, etc.
it's only a problem if someone chooses to exploit my (arguable) carelesness
i would be very happy if nobody will be interested in "exploiting" my carelesness. but this requires that every man on earth (creature in universe?) have to be "good". is that possible?
this is somehow near the analogy of deseases. diseases are here so we have to fight them and it keeps us in condition (mostly). in perfectly sterile world we'll be happy, we'll be living longer BUT there will be much higher risk of one (even simple) disease destroying whole world. same with computer viruses and exploits: if there were no viruses and crackers (those bad guys exploiting bugs to cause bad things) we'll be very happy but than just ONE virus/hacker can destroy everything.
while community is about you it does not matter what other (corporate, industry, other communities, politicians,...) think/do about it (as long as they are not violating your rights).
i would like to see large deployment as it contains not just bigger addresing space but guaranteed capacity and (what is the best) security enhancements and cryptography!
what just can't be forgotten are IPv4-to-IPv6-migration-HOWTOs!
linux belongs to its creators - linux community. thus linux community do not need to realize anything about linux as long as community do not want to!
i think you are not using linux and i think you (and people like you) do not have the right to dictate the community what it [have to/must/...][do/think/want/...] or whatever.
sugestions, bugreports, exploits and patches are welcome but not orders.
as long as companies (or whoever) do not violates original licence(s) very few hackers/crackers (as you called them) will care much about companies personalizing linux.
if business steps in and makes linux more friendly while not violating GPL everything will be OK. and i do not think such a thing means death of linux comunity - they still can do what they care about and just ignore such "personalization".
but i also think that a lot of hackers/crackers will help companies (if they let them) with making linux more friedly to common users (if h./c. choose not to participate in community's own projects - there are two alredy in progress).
i just hope that "making linux more user friendly" do not produce another windows because i think totaly ignoring the basics of tool you are using is fundamentaly wrong (thus most of MS users are making BIG mistake - and not only they). why? because with such attitude you are very interested in "quick" solutions. and quick solutions results in damaged/poluted environment (which leads to death to all not just to creators of such solutions).
this "linux is like flover/fruit tree" is pretty good.
the only diference between linux comunity and flower/fruit tree is that those "gnarled, unattractive roots" (community) are more inteligent than those of plant:)
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i'm working in company with 10+ employees and at the begining, we were running one NT box as file/print/authentication server. while it was continously making troubles, we replaced it with linux (as file/print server). after samba2 release also NT PDC has been replaced with linux. so now we have one linux box which makes file/print/authentication services.
my 2 colegues have one printer at theire office conected to one of their NT workstations and shared. but this workstation is not able to behave properly when printing so i'm pushed to deploy my experimental i386 linux box as print server there.
so it leaves all NTs as workstations for mostly Word processing, surfing and e-mailing. the day i found acceptable office solution with slovak characters support on linux, all NTs'll go away.
yeah, my assumption is that people are thinkink about what they are doing. but mostly it looks like inappropriate assumption:)
and here we have the main problem with this benchmark (and maybe all other benchmarks): benchmark tels the people that "in this particular setup doing this particular thing is product X better Ytimes than product Z". and people takes it as "product X is always Ytimes better than product Z".
while car can be used as exhibit, computers ussualy not. so when buying car and money are not an idssue, then you buy car which you like better. but when buying computer and money are no issue then still you have to buy computer which can do what you want and which do it the way you want.
while car can be used as exhibit, computers ussualy not. so when byuing car and money are not an idssue, then you buy car which you like better. but when buying computer and money are no issue then still you have to buy computer which can do what you want and which do it the way you want.
i fully agree with "Plain Vanilla ASCII" as only text format which guarantee portability and interoperability in almost 99% of cases including future and far future.
is business the most important think in the world?
i do not think so. maybe some people think it is, but they stop when this business brings its results soon: poluted air, poluted water, devastated coutry, wiped-out whole kinds of plants and animals, etc. in such situation, "here-you-have-blank-check" policy (HYHBCP) does not work anymore because some things can't be bought! in long term, HYHBCP is not good. to be more precise, it leads all of us to death and starving! (including the source of check).
you're making good point that is mostly missing there: no realy critical and/or high-load runs on NT or Linux.
all this "NT vs. Linux - who's better" bencharking is made irrelevant when considering critical/high-load solution.
NT and Linux market (for now) lays in small and middle solutions where peak performance is not that important as other parameters (like uptimes, down times, cost of ownership, security, reliability, flexibility,...). and those other parameters are not testet in such benchmarks!
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i personaly leave win95 far behind and for now just digging in NT for few hours per year (mostly because of word).
but i still consider myself and some other "alternative" OS users more competent to talk about windows and MS than MS users are competent to talk about those "other" OSes.
I wonder if the compile would work though
what's the problem? with few (read 1000+US$) to buy some super-cool-windows-kernel-compiled-personal-editio n and with few (read 1GB+) bytes on HD and few (read month+) free hours i'm sure you can get custom build super-windows-3000 kernel.
:)
p.s.: count some inflation numbers while those US$, GB and hours are meant for todays situation
consider this (and don't be very pedantic, i'm alredy 17 hours at work :)
$ echo "hello world!"
hello world!
$ editor hello.source
./hello.app ...
{ this is some very cool application because it have a lot of lines }
include io.lib
include window.lib
include dictionary
initialize.io
initialize.windows
initialize.dictionary
initialize.hello_string
window.setio
io.attach_window
io.print.hello_string
io.close
windows.close
dictionary.close
hello_string.close
$ make realy_complicated_build
$
core dumped. going BSOD
:)
no, wait, we already have that.. it's called Netware
and NetBEUI too (if my knowledge about it is OK :)
it is not that acurate nor some true art but it points out some pretty good implications and possibilities of abusing information systems (by whoever).
do not let governments ban or criple strong encryption.
and just to be sure: encourage variety of formats (thus interoperability) - do not let someone (some company? some government? some E.T.s?) unify our tools to made [this task] (this = echelon and similar projects) easier.
democracy will save ourselves (i.e. individuals) as long as propaganda (which is very effective when based on alredy collected data) do not overpower our judgement thus abilities of "Ambition will be kept in check by...ambition".
so think when voting and cry when hurted by government.
nowadays people are forced to think more (which is good :) and this trend will continue because of technological advance) because otherwise they became "good litle sheep farmed by government".
i just fear that significant portion of population [like/will like] that and thus i lose my [right/privacy/...] because of them giving power to some "farmer".
if i'm working on some UNIX machine on which i'm not the root (or not the only one root) i know that somebody CAN watch what i'm doing and look at my files.
if someone is told that he has BO on his machine for remote administration and he do not realize he can be watched it's his own fault.
and something litle about administrstors: if admin is competent, than he care about proper functioning of system not about spying users for fun (or whatever).
If I leave my home unlocked at night, is that a security problem?
IMHO it is. good thiefs know that people are ussualy leaving garden doors open, that key is hidden near the doors, that valuable objects are somewhere under bed, etc.
it's only a problem if someone chooses to exploit my (arguable) carelesness
i would be very happy if nobody will be interested in "exploiting" my carelesness. but this requires that every man on earth (creature in universe?) have to be "good". is that possible?
this is somehow near the analogy of deseases. diseases are here so we have to fight them and it keeps us in condition (mostly). in perfectly sterile world we'll be happy, we'll be living longer BUT there will be much higher risk of one (even simple) disease destroying whole world. same with computer viruses and exploits: if there were no viruses and crackers (those bad guys exploiting bugs to cause bad things) we'll be very happy but than just ONE virus/hacker can destroy everything.
but Vertigol can search for this package on (for example) http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/.
while community is about you it does not matter what other (corporate, industry, other communities, politicians, ...) think/do about it (as long as they are not violating your rights).
i think, member is anyone who feels like member. :) (a count myself as lazy linux advocate, as linux user and as linux administrator).
membersip in linux community is not about taking advantage of membership. it's about supporting the whole idea.
there are no rights because of being a member of linux community - [using/contributing to] linux is a favor, not a right.
you can get or reject a gift. but you can't claim right to dictate something to someone who gives it to you.
what just can't be forgotten are IPv4-to-IPv6-migration-HOWTOs!
i think you are not using linux and i think you (and people like you) do not have the right to dictate the community what it [have to/must/...] [do/think/want/...] or whatever.
sugestions, bugreports, exploits and patches are welcome but not orders.
if business steps in and makes linux more friendly while not violating GPL everything will be OK. and i do not think such a thing means death of linux comunity - they still can do what they care about and just ignore such "personalization".
but i also think that a lot of hackers/crackers will help companies (if they let them) with making linux more friedly to common users (if h./c. choose not to participate in community's own projects - there are two alredy in progress).
i just hope that "making linux more user friendly" do not produce another windows because i think totaly ignoring the basics of tool you are using is fundamentaly wrong (thus most of MS users are making BIG mistake - and not only they).
why? because with such attitude you are very interested in "quick" solutions. and quick solutions results in damaged/poluted environment (which leads to death to all not just to creators of such solutions).
the only diference between linux comunity and flower/fruit tree is that those "gnarled, unattractive roots" (community) are more inteligent than those of plant :)
my 2 colegues have one printer at theire office conected to one of their NT workstations and shared. but this workstation is not able to behave properly when printing so i'm pushed to deploy my experimental i386 linux box as print server there.
so it leaves all NTs as workstations for mostly Word processing, surfing and e-mailing. the day i found acceptable office solution with slovak characters support on linux, all NTs'll go away.
and here we have the main problem with this benchmark (and maybe all other benchmarks): benchmark tels the people that "in this particular setup doing this particular thing is product X better Ytimes than product Z". and people takes it as "product X is always Ytimes better than product Z".
while car can be used as exhibit, computers ussualy not. so when buying car and money are not an idssue, then you buy car which you like better. but when buying computer and money are no issue then still you have to buy computer which can do what you want and which do it the way you want.
while car can be used as exhibit, computers ussualy not. so when byuing car and money are not an idssue, then you buy car which you like better. but when buying computer and money are no issue then still you have to buy computer which can do what you want and which do it the way you want.
i fully agree with "Plain Vanilla ASCII" as only text format which guarantee portability and interoperability in almost 99% of cases including future and far future.
and what?
but i think, it's sad that people know their money are being stolen from them and still do nothing about it (againsts it).
are money the most important think in the world?
for business: yes!
but another question:
is business the most important think in the world?
i do not think so. maybe some people think it is, but they stop when this business brings its results soon: poluted air, poluted water, devastated coutry, wiped-out whole kinds of plants and animals, etc.
in such situation, "here-you-have-blank-check" policy (HYHBCP) does not work anymore because some things can't be bought!
in long term, HYHBCP is not good. to be more precise, it leads all of us to death and starving! (including the source of check).
think about it!
all this "NT vs. Linux - who's better" bencharking is made irrelevant when considering critical/high-load solution.
NT and Linux market (for now) lays in small and middle solutions where peak performance is not that important as other parameters (like uptimes, down times, cost of ownership, security, reliability, flexibility, ...). and those other parameters are not testet in such benchmarks!