KDE copies gnome? Uh looks like the other way round considering KDE is a year ahead of Gnome.
Indeed, you are right when you are considering user-applications. But, I wasn't talking about *that*! I meant things like CORBA, BONOBO, a soundserver, GTK-theming, etc.. KDE is way ahead when it comes to the Office suite, I think GNOME is, or soon is going to be, way ahead of KDE when it comes to the technical layer underneath the GUI.
I don't think either one will surpase the other one. Both will grow and grow, each in its own direction, with their own audience and each borrowing code and ideas from one other, fitting and playing nicely together (for example the WM-specs).
KDE has a different goal. Its main goal is to make a usable, friendly GUI, to be used in a business instead of Windows. GNOME is much more technical oriented. It's like, if you want something that is as much usable as possible, with a painless convert from Windows, use KDE, but if you want to be able to say "Cool!" and if you want to have your friends say "COOL!!!", use GNOME. I use GNOME.:-)
Yes, I trully believe GNOME is more innovative than KDE. KDE will copy good things the GNOME guys (m/f) come up with and in the end we will have two pretty similar desktops. Hoeray!
Well, the (well known;) story is that MS *did* go through the hassle to port everything to NT, but they couldn't keep the animal up in the air and went back to FreeBSD and Solaris.
No, the main question is, could you program the processor in such a way the an SMP machine could emulate a Beowolf cluster? Hmm... Would Linus be working on that???
AFAIK the main problems with Linux in the Mindcraft studies lay in the networking part of the kernel. Applications like SAP don't really do that much of networking stuff, it's more reading and writing data to/from the database and doing calculations/sorting on that data. And, we all know 2.2 was made to do reasonably well on 4 processors. So to say I'm really, really surprised by this? No. Happy? Yes!
I work for a company that is heavily involved in implementing/supporting/customizing another ERP product, Baan (you might have heard about it, Boeing uses it heavily, and had some problems with it). Baan is going the MS way, they want to sell mid-sized computers to mid/small-sized companies. Intel based, running on NT and MS-SQL, being the perfect solution. Just two weeks ago we had a visit from a MS marketing guy, telling us, of course, how beautiful the MS solution is, all integrated and all. When asked about Linux and if they see it as a real thread, he replied that Linux they watched Linux very closely, but that Linux hadn't proved itself with enterprise applications. For small businesses that's very important, they don't have the money to have a full-time Linux/Unix expert to support the box and think they *can* do the administration for the NT box themselves. Wrong? I do think so. The perfect solution I see is the remote administrated Linux box. The company I work for, or whatever other company, does your administration, from our office, or on-site if you want and you get to do what *you*'re good at. And now this news has hit the streets, that not only is Linux one of the most stable OS's, it also is really, really fast (faster than NT?), I think I'm going to dance a few rounds around my desk and drink a few virtual beers when I get home! There's hope for us all!!!:-))) (implying that my boss see it the MS way, wanting to replace the nice RS6000's and other Unix machines with Netfinity's and NT:( )
Oh yeah, FWIW, if you want Baan, on Intel, but don't like NT, ask Baan to give you the Linux version, they have it, just don't advertise it. Would they be afraid MS would cut funds if they'd advertise Linux?;-)
Unless I mis-understand what you're saying, this isn't true. First, if 128 kbps gives you a factor 10 compression, how can 256 kbps be more than what a CD gives you? Second, a CD is at 44 KHz, 16 bits, stereo which leads to 1408 kpbs! It is "kilo bits per second", not "kilo bytes/s"
I don't know what kinda supa-dupa-fly computer you have, a 1000 node beowolf cluster? I know for a fact it takes a bit more time on my PPro to recompile all the packages that come with my RedHat.;-) Really, I would hate it if I had to recompile my XFree!
Also, I personally thought the standard RedHat desktop was a bit messy and the folks at Mandrake did a nice job pre-configuring the KDE desktop (add this to the list of differences between Redhat and Mandrake). This could also have saved me a lot of time, I now did it by hand, after which I ended up with a nice (and a bit bloated) mix between Gnome, KDE and Window Maker.
It just looks like Mandrake is the more polished RedHat. As if Mandrake is the RedHat RedHat should have made themselves. Thank GPL and RedHat that this thing is possible.
And I'm sorry, Mr. Raymond, but Cathedrals are things of beauty. Your bazaar vision, well... the peasants can roll up the tents and booths and move on when the weather goes bad. 200 years later there is still a beautiful Cathedral standing. There's a bare patch of dirt over there were the bazaar once sat.
Heh, that's a nice one. What is left standing when an earthquake occurs? The peasants kan rebuild the bazaar in a day, the cathedral will need another few hundred years to be repared. And in the case of a flood, the peasants can pick up the wood from the bazaar, swim to land and build a new bazaar.
Another thing I noticed was that more people were interested in GTK+ than Qt, but more people wanted to develop for KDE than for GNOME... Seemed a little strange.
Well, I noticed it too. Strange, but there can be only one conclusion from this, GTK+ must be ported to KDE!
No, no! Keep on posting such articles. At least *I* had a good laugh! Too bad soo many/.-ers took this seriously, he prob. got flamed for it too. As far as I'm concerned that is too much glory.
You're talking about Kryotech, aren't you? Well, that's not about overclocking your cheap processor, that's about running next year's processor speeds today. Wouldn't you like to run an Alpha at something like 800 MHz today?:) If you look at it this way, it is worth it to spend the extra $500.
Uhhmmm... Although I would find it hard to believe, the only "a prominent Australian Linux guru" I know works for RedHat ADL and is called Carsten Haitzler AKA The Rasterman. This can't be true, can it?
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KDE copies gnome? Uh looks like the other way round considering KDE is a year ahead of Gnome.
Indeed, you are right when you are considering user-applications. But, I wasn't talking about *that*! I meant things like CORBA, BONOBO, a soundserver, GTK-theming, etc.. KDE is way ahead when it comes to the Office suite, I think GNOME is, or soon is going to be, way ahead of KDE when it comes to the technical layer underneath the GUI.
I don't think either one will surpase the other one. Both will grow and grow, each in its own direction, with their own audience and each borrowing code and ideas from one other, fitting and playing nicely together (for example the WM-specs).
Thimo
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KDE has a different goal. Its main goal is to make a usable, friendly GUI, to be used in a business instead of Windows. GNOME is much more technical oriented. It's like, if you want something that is as much usable as possible, with a painless convert from Windows, use KDE, but if you want to be able to say "Cool!" and if you want to have your friends say "COOL!!!", use GNOME. I use GNOME. :-)
Yes, I trully believe GNOME is more innovative than KDE. KDE will copy good things the GNOME guys (m/f) come up with and in the end we will have two pretty similar desktops. Hoeray!
Thimo
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Finally they get it right. Linus only started the creation of the kernel of the Linux OS. Most tools around the kernel are GNU.
Thimo
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LOL! Like the opensource programmers who would starve to death, won't they? :-)
Thimo
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Well, the (well known ;) story is that MS *did* go through the hassle to port everything to NT, but they couldn't keep the animal up in the air and went back to FreeBSD and Solaris.
Thimo
No, the main question is, could you program the processor in such a way the an SMP machine could emulate a Beowolf cluster? Hmm... Would Linus be working on that???
AFAIK the main problems with Linux in the Mindcraft studies lay in the networking part of the kernel. Applications like SAP don't really do that much of networking stuff, it's more reading and writing data to/from the database and doing calculations/sorting on that data. And, we all know 2.2 was made to do reasonably well on 4 processors. So to say I'm really, really surprised by this? No. Happy? Yes!
:-))) (implying that my boss see it the MS way, wanting to replace the nice RS6000's and other Unix machines with Netfinity's and NT :( )
;-)
I work for a company that is heavily involved in implementing/supporting/customizing another ERP product, Baan (you might have heard about it, Boeing uses it heavily, and had some problems with it). Baan is going the MS way, they want to sell mid-sized computers to mid/small-sized companies. Intel based, running on NT and MS-SQL, being the perfect solution. Just two weeks ago we had a visit from a MS marketing guy, telling us, of course, how beautiful the MS solution is, all integrated and all. When asked about Linux and if they see it as a real thread, he replied that Linux they watched Linux very closely, but that Linux hadn't proved itself with enterprise applications. For small businesses that's very important, they don't have the money to have a full-time Linux/Unix expert to support the box and think they *can* do the administration for the NT box themselves. Wrong? I do think so. The perfect solution I see is the remote administrated Linux box. The company I work for, or whatever other company, does your administration, from our office, or on-site if you want and you get to do what *you*'re good at. And now this news has hit the streets, that not only is Linux one of the most stable OS's, it also is really, really fast (faster than NT?), I think I'm going to dance a few rounds around my desk and drink a few virtual beers when I get home! There's hope for us all!!!
Oh yeah, FWIW, if you want Baan, on Intel, but don't like NT, ask Baan to give you the Linux version, they have it, just don't advertise it. Would they be afraid MS would cut funds if they'd advertise Linux?
Thimo
A CD itself is only 172kbps
Unless I mis-understand what you're saying, this isn't true. First, if 128 kbps gives you a factor 10 compression, how can 256 kbps be more than what a CD gives you? Second, a CD is at 44 KHz, 16 bits, stereo which leads to 1408 kpbs! It is "kilo bits per second", not "kilo bytes/s"
Thimo
That's, like, ten minutes of work.
;-) Really, I would hate it if I had to recompile my XFree!
I don't know what kinda supa-dupa-fly computer you have, a 1000 node beowolf cluster? I know for a fact it takes a bit more time on my PPro to recompile all the packages that come with my RedHat.
Also, I personally thought the standard RedHat desktop was a bit messy and the folks at Mandrake did a nice job pre-configuring the KDE desktop (add this to the list of differences between Redhat and Mandrake). This could also have saved me a lot of time, I now did it by hand, after which I ended up with a nice (and a bit bloated) mix between Gnome, KDE and Window Maker.
It just looks like Mandrake is the more polished RedHat. As if Mandrake is the RedHat RedHat should have made themselves. Thank GPL and RedHat that this thing is possible.
TeeJay
And I'm sorry, Mr. Raymond, but Cathedrals are things of beauty. Your bazaar vision, well... the peasants can roll up the tents and booths and move on when the weather goes bad. 200 years later there is still a beautiful Cathedral standing. There's a bare patch of dirt over there were the bazaar once sat.
Heh, that's a nice one. What is left standing when an earthquake occurs? The peasants kan rebuild the bazaar in a day, the cathedral will need another few hundred years to be repared. And in the case of a flood, the peasants can pick up the wood from the bazaar, swim to land and build a new bazaar.
Point being, don't take the metafoor too far.
TeeJay
Another thing I noticed was that more people were interested in GTK+ than Qt, but more people wanted to develop for KDE than for GNOME... Seemed a little strange.
Well, I noticed it too. Strange, but there can be only one conclusion from this, GTK+ must be ported to KDE!
TeeJay
I can already see the NYT headlines in front of me:
Postman slashdotted
The world won't ever be the same again!
Thimo
No, no! Keep on posting such articles. At least *I* had a good laugh! Too bad soo many /.-ers took this seriously, he prob. got flamed for it too. As far as I'm concerned that is too much glory.
You're talking about Kryotech, aren't you? Well, that's not about overclocking your cheap processor, that's about running next year's processor speeds today. Wouldn't you like to run an Alpha at something like 800 MHz today? :) If you look at it this way, it is worth it to spend the extra $500.
Uhhmmm... Although I would find it hard to believe, the only "a prominent Australian Linux guru" I know works for RedHat ADL and is called Carsten Haitzler AKA The Rasterman. This can't be true, can it?