After reading a good portion of this thread, I'd say that this industry is in a serious problem.
Applications being written that hardcode that no password can exist? Users refusing to enter passwords???
I'll generally throw a fit if I have to enter a meaningful password & it travels clear text on the wire (eg - billing information, or multi-purpose password tied to Kerberos). Call me paranoid, but this world has non-honest people. I've got a good 50+ passwords in my head from roots, GPG, shell accounts, web accounts, etc. Stuff has to be protected.
The NCSUGINA written by Jason Young (ITD at the time, ITECS now) was single signon. NCSU is now using the NovellGina for login authentication & runs a seperate program to get kerberos tickets/afs tokens. NCSU really didn't want to have to continue to support their own Gina, so that is why they switched to Novell.
Yeah, NCSU Comp Sci dept is migrating from C++ to Java for Comp Sci, Electrical & Comp Engr students. Everyone else in Engr is still taking C++, now using gcc/g++ compared to previously AT&T Centerline compiler.
WTF? Yes, Dell did win the hardware bid, but there was -NO- bidding for Linux distributions. It was chosen by the students who did the work on the project. Stop bashing Red Hat.
RHAT gets a nice PR release from release.
IBM gets a nice release about Open Source & S/390-Linux.
NCSU gets to attract bright students from release.
Problem? I don't see any. It is a natural part of the marketing division of each.
Next, if you have problems, http://bugs.linux.ncsu.edu/
If you have problems with UI improvements, would you like to go back to using punchcards?
I honestly can say that I don't think NCSU should still be using MWM as the default WM on Solaris, but they haven't changed it yet. And yes, you can use gnome stuff from solaris (add gnome).
...actually a few years ago profs at NCSU had problems with NCSU legal releasing their code under GPL. For the most part, that has changed recently at NCSU.
NCSU was working with RedHat as an alternative to the computing environment before the company started tipping their hats toward the project.
That statement is correct, but has been kept sorta quiet (I'd guess so they can generate nice press releases and such).
I can remember about 2 years ago that running linux was almost frowned upon at NCSU, now it has everyone's support all the way up to the Chancellor. It is amazing how fast NCSU has had a change of face on Linux.
And as far as the choice of distributions, that was a choice made primarily by the students who have done all the work on the project, not CEOs, Deans, and Provost type people.
I agree that exposure to a Linux environment that is easy to use (GUI/Menu) and provides a wealth of applications is great exposure for Linux.
All the companies in RTP (Research Triangle Park) love NCSU Students. Companies like Cisco, NorTel, IBM, HP, etc. heavily recruit from NCSU. It seems the secret is out now, especially considering companies nationally are now recruiting from NCSU. I'll add that IBM's number one school for hiring students from is NCSU. NCSU holds open house this Saturday, and I've posted the URL above.
All of NCSU's eggs aren't in 1 basket. We've got Solaris, NT, and Linux boxes. NCSU teaches Fortran, C++, Java, Perl, MSVC, x86 asm, mips/risc asm, plus numerous others. We do get a wide range of exposure to various languages an OS's. The goal of the NCSU CSC dept is to teach you various concepts & languages are only tools to implement those concepts. Ideally, once you are gone hopefully you can use any language/os in the post graduation world.
NCSU Information Technology Department (ITD) is given headaches by trying to support NT on campus. You can't install anything because NT is a single user OS an they don't want you modifying stuff on the local HD (NT is on HD, Solaris/Linux pulls from AFS). ITD/ITECS has locked down NT beyond the base install, while Solaris/Linux security remains about the same.
All labs on the campus require a password. It just happens that all the labs running Red Hat Linux have hardware that was purchased with ETF Engineering Student fees, and therefore can only be used by engineering students. This is enforced with hesiod ACL records. If you want RK4RHL in unity labs, ask ITD, not COE -- btw - this is a good point that does need to be addressed.
it's gonna be some highly customized installation set up by the school that has little if anything to do with the regular retail install.
You are correct when saying it is a customized install. But between 5.x, 6.x and 7.0, the amount of customization gets less each time...mainly because Red Hat is taking our improvements and integrating them into the base install, which means we have less work customizing each release. Their kerberos support was added by Nalin who recently graduated from NCSU and had worked on the Realm Kit for RHL. There are several other examples, but I won't bother detail them.
"why not debian" "why not slackware"
Several years ago, slackware was using in an integration attempt. Red Hat is used for technical reasons (eg- Kickstart, RPM, dev staff is partly NCSU alum) mainly & the students who are doing the work use Red Hat on their personal systems.
...and it isn't a purely financial issue. It is a technical issue that NT doesn't fit into an envrionment where you've got 30,000 people sharing the same computer and want to have roaming profiles, need for security, etc. Notice how you have to enter your password twice this semester in the NT lab? It is because NT is a royal pain to support.
Incorrect. NCSU libaries offer Laptops for check out with the Realm Kit for Red Hat Linux on them. But you are correct in saying that the computers for surfing are Windows.
Just to note, MS has reps on NCSU campus giving away their "Visual" tools. NCSU does offer a 1 hour Visual C++ class, but in general, most (there are exceptions) of the professors in Comp Sci still prefer Solaris / Linux.
Actually, getting Linux into NCSU was started over 5 years ago as senior projects (using slackware) well before Red Hat became as big as they are now. In the Realm Kit's current stage, Red Hat was actually chosen by the students implementing the project, not by the University administration. There are several technical reasons for choosing Red Hat over some other Linux distributions (some being- kickstart, PAM, a good portion of their dev staff is NCSU alum, Red Hat completely open source - including installer)
Well NCSU just beat UNC in football this past weekend. Go Pack!
While Red Hat, Inc. executives might have thrown a lot of $$$ UNC's way, Red Hat, Inc. also has several members of their development staff working with NCSU students & staff on continued linux integration (who just happen to be NCSU alum). Sometimes experties is worth more than $$$.
As far as UNC-CH goes, I hear they have an outstanding Computer Science dept for Masters Degrees, especially in the area of computer graphics. I'm told by NC State Law, that UNC-CH is not allowed to offer a BS in Comp Sci....but they do have a BS in math with a computer science option (I know nothing about UNC-CH's undergraduate program).
Perhaps you might actually want to consider applying to NCSU. One of the key reasons that NCSU has strategically adopted open source is to attract bright students. NCSU has an honors program that is concentrating heavily on open source software in addition to their Engineering College.
Last year when determining long term computing strategies, going 100% MS/NT was an option, but there were several reasons why the university decided going against it, two of them being they don't want to be locked into a single vendor and the other being that academia tends to share information, which follows the open source trends very closely.
While Engineering was the first one to push NT at NCSU, they are now asking "is there a linux versino also" (I know - I'm on the COE computer committee) when purchasing software for the Solaris & NT platforms. And yes, NT has been a major headache to support on this campus. I don't want to know the man hours spent trying to get it to work.
Only select portions of NCSU (mainliny in Engineering & PAMS - Physical & Applied Math Sciences) are using open source software at the moment. The business logic for the financial aid office isn't one of them at this time.
To a certain extent, NCSU does allow us to dictate our ciriculum to them. It is called something like special studies in Computer Science. You basically find a professor to sponsor what you want to study, and go from there.
Unfortunately, dmesg doesn't show -all- the messages that are output'ed to the console during bootup, at least the last time I checked (one of the RH 6.x distributions).
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After reading a good portion of this thread, I'd say that this industry is in a serious problem.
Applications being written that hardcode that no password can exist? Users refusing to enter passwords???
I'll generally throw a fit if I have to enter a meaningful password & it travels clear text on the wire (eg - billing information, or multi-purpose password tied to Kerberos). Call me paranoid, but this world has non-honest people. I've got a good 50+ passwords in my head from roots, GPG, shell accounts, web accounts, etc. Stuff has to be protected.
It is actually a problem with DNS connectivity & Verizon not rapidly responding.
The NCSUGINA written by Jason Young (ITD at the time, ITECS now) was single signon. NCSU is now using the NovellGina for login authentication & runs a seperate program to get kerberos tickets/afs tokens. NCSU really didn't want to have to continue to support their own Gina, so that is why they switched to Novell.
Yeah, NCSU Comp Sci dept is migrating from C++ to Java for Comp Sci, Electrical & Comp Engr students. Everyone else in Engr is still taking C++, now using gcc/g++ compared to previously AT&T Centerline compiler.
WTF? Yes, Dell did win the hardware bid, but there was -NO- bidding for Linux distributions. It was chosen by the students who did the work on the project. Stop bashing Red Hat.
RHAT gets a nice PR release from release.
IBM gets a nice release about Open Source & S/390-Linux.
NCSU gets to attract bright students from release.
Problem? I don't see any. It is a natural part of the marketing division of each.
First, you can change your window manager.
Next, if you have problems, http://bugs.linux.ncsu.edu/
If you have problems with UI improvements, would you like to go back to using punchcards?
I honestly can say that I don't think NCSU should still be using MWM as the default WM on Solaris, but they haven't changed it yet. And yes, you can use gnome stuff from solaris (add gnome).
http://bugs.linux.ncsu.edu/ . If we don't know about them, they can't be fixed.
/tmp, it will probably be larger in the 7.0 rollout & there have been some patches to tmpwatch that clear it out better.
As far at
In the 7.0 rollout, security will be even tighter. Consider placing a bug report about lilo security in bugzilla for us (above URL).
As far as UIDs go, Katz is in the process of working on a kernel patch (and arla) for the 7.0 rollout.
...actually a few years ago profs at NCSU had problems with NCSU legal releasing their code under GPL. For the most part, that has changed recently at NCSU.
NCSU was working with RedHat as an alternative to the computing environment before the company started tipping their hats toward the project.
That statement is correct, but has been kept sorta quiet (I'd guess so they can generate nice press releases and such).
I can remember about 2 years ago that running linux was almost frowned upon at NCSU, now it has everyone's support all the way up to the Chancellor. It is amazing how fast NCSU has had a change of face on Linux.
And as far as the choice of distributions, that was a choice made primarily by the students who have done all the work on the project, not CEOs, Deans, and Provost type people.
I agree that exposure to a Linux environment that is easy to use (GUI/Menu) and provides a wealth of applications is great exposure for Linux.
-Michael
http://www2.ncsu.edu/cc/edu/openhouse/
All the companies in RTP (Research Triangle Park) love NCSU Students. Companies like Cisco, NorTel, IBM, HP, etc. heavily recruit from NCSU. It seems the secret is out now, especially considering companies nationally are now recruiting from NCSU. I'll add that IBM's number one school for hiring students from is NCSU. NCSU holds open house this Saturday, and I've posted the URL above.
-Michael (NCSU Comp Sci JR)
All of NCSU's eggs aren't in 1 basket. We've got Solaris, NT, and Linux boxes. NCSU teaches Fortran, C++, Java, Perl, MSVC, x86 asm, mips/risc asm, plus numerous others. We do get a wide range of exposure to various languages an OS's. The goal of the NCSU CSC dept is to teach you various concepts & languages are only tools to implement those concepts. Ideally, once you are gone hopefully you can use any language/os in the post graduation world.
NCSU Information Technology Department (ITD) is given headaches by trying to support NT on campus. You can't install anything because NT is a single user OS an they don't want you modifying stuff on the local HD (NT is on HD, Solaris/Linux pulls from AFS). ITD/ITECS has locked down NT beyond the base install, while Solaris/Linux security remains about the same.
All labs on the campus require a password. It just happens that all the labs running Red Hat Linux have hardware that was purchased with ETF Engineering Student fees, and therefore can only be used by engineering students. This is enforced with hesiod ACL records. If you want RK4RHL in unity labs, ask ITD, not COE -- btw - this is a good point that does need to be addressed.
-Michael (NCSU Comp Sci JR)
it's gonna be some highly customized installation set up by the school that has little if anything to do with the regular retail install.
You are correct when saying it is a customized install. But between 5.x, 6.x and 7.0, the amount of customization gets less each time...mainly because Red Hat is taking our improvements and integrating them into the base install, which means we have less work customizing each release. Their kerberos support was added by Nalin who recently graduated from NCSU and had worked on the Realm Kit for RHL. There are several other examples, but I won't bother detail them.
"why not debian" "why not slackware"
Several years ago, slackware was using in an integration attempt. Red Hat is used for technical reasons (eg- Kickstart, RPM, dev staff is partly NCSU alum) mainly & the students who are doing the work use Red Hat on their personal systems.
-Michael (NCSU Comp Sci JR)
...and it isn't a purely financial issue. It is a technical issue that NT doesn't fit into an envrionment where you've got 30,000 people sharing the same computer and want to have roaming profiles, need for security, etc. Notice how you have to enter your password twice this semester in the NT lab? It is because NT is a royal pain to support.
Incorrect. NCSU libaries offer Laptops for check out with the Realm Kit for Red Hat Linux on them. But you are correct in saying that the computers for surfing are Windows.
Just to note, MS has reps on NCSU campus giving away their "Visual" tools. NCSU does offer a 1 hour Visual C++ class, but in general, most (there are exceptions) of the professors in Comp Sci still prefer Solaris / Linux.
Actually, getting Linux into NCSU was started over 5 years ago as senior projects (using slackware) well before Red Hat became as big as they are now. In the Realm Kit's current stage, Red Hat was actually chosen by the students implementing the project, not by the University administration. There are several technical reasons for choosing Red Hat over some other Linux distributions (some being- kickstart, PAM, a good portion of their dev staff is NCSU alum, Red Hat completely open source - including installer)
-Michael (NCSU Comp Sci JR)
Well NCSU just beat UNC in football this past weekend. Go Pack!
...but they do have a BS in math with a computer science option (I know nothing about UNC-CH's undergraduate program).
While Red Hat, Inc. executives might have thrown a lot of $$$ UNC's way, Red Hat, Inc. also has several members of their development staff working with NCSU students & staff on continued linux integration (who just happen to be NCSU alum). Sometimes experties is worth more than $$$.
As far as UNC-CH goes, I hear they have an outstanding Computer Science dept for Masters Degrees, especially in the area of computer graphics. I'm told by NC State Law, that UNC-CH is not allowed to offer a BS in Comp Sci.
-Michael (NCSU Comp Sci JR)
Perhaps you might actually want to consider applying to NCSU. One of the key reasons that NCSU has strategically adopted open source is to attract bright students. NCSU has an honors program that is concentrating heavily on open source software in addition to their Engineering College.
-Michael (NCSU Comp Sci Junior)
Last year when determining long term computing strategies, going 100% MS/NT was an option, but there were several reasons why the university decided going against it, two of them being they don't want to be locked into a single vendor and the other being that academia tends to share information, which follows the open source trends very closely.
While Engineering was the first one to push NT at NCSU, they are now asking "is there a linux versino also" (I know - I'm on the COE computer committee) when purchasing software for the Solaris & NT platforms. And yes, NT has been a major headache to support on this campus. I don't want to know the man hours spent trying to get it to work.
Only select portions of NCSU (mainliny in Engineering & PAMS - Physical & Applied Math Sciences) are using open source software at the moment. The business logic for the financial aid office isn't one of them at this time.
To a certain extent, NCSU does allow us to dictate our ciriculum to them. It is called something like special studies in Computer Science. You basically find a professor to sponsor what you want to study, and go from there.
-Michael (NCSU Student)
If in runlevel 3 on a Red Hat box (at least in early 6.x series), once the console login window came up this doesn't work.
Unfortunately, dmesg doesn't show -all- the messages that are output'ed to the console during bootup, at least the last time I checked (one of the RH 6.x distributions).