whats more interesting is the original parent UNIX TSS which started the whole thing died in 1989 after 10 versions....while its offspring continue to grow.
anyone who used UNIX TSS wanna speculate on how good the original UNIX was ? especially at ver 10 ? we could probably copy some of that stuff and graft it into linux/bsd...if it came out with something new....
BTW, anyone see if multics is on the tree ? couldnt find it anywhere.
a fab plant costs less to M$ than to most other companies. they could build a couple of dozen without even impacting their bottom line. whether you design a chip for a router or a P-III, a chip is a chip. same VLSI design principles, same masks, same methods. anyone who can design a router chip can design a P-III..the only thing different is higher density and more complexity. if M$ can build a system as huge as windoze they can surely build a processor..just throw enough hardware guys at the problem. and we all know M$ has enough money to afford that.
staroffice/starportal software can do that. ok so starportals not freeware.....but the concept is great. its based on staroffice but can be run over the web. checkitout : http://www.sun.com/products/staroffice/starportal/..i've got a coupla copies of it running beta..works ok.
actually FreeBSD and linux have been code swapping for a while now. it works like this - the BSD guys see something they need, the linux guys see something else they need. They both cross license it and swap. its no biggie.
coding 3D models using opengl and using a plugin raytracer is a helluva lot easier than forking out for 3d studio, building primitive models in its limited environment and then trying to export the damn thing to a decent fast real time raytracer. ever wonder why most raytracers are command line only ? just thought you should know.
actually he raised a valid point. what prevents any larger company from running their own servers, advertising like hell, taking the helix gnome code and relabelling it and providing the same or more services ? and in that case do you think helix is going to go anywhere with that ? what makes you think content is easier to provide than software ? or whether its a valid business model ? and why would anyone pay $5/mo for it when the same info is easy to find using google ?
junkbusters fairly redundant now - i dont think we need it. try mozilla M17 and yuou can block all adverts without junkbuster. fairly cute and its better to have it integrated into the browser anyway,.
filesharing shouldnt be forced and anyway, gnutella hosts 20+ TB of files right now...yep thats terabytes. just like the old bbs days more and more people will share files if they cant find what theyre looking for and the system will keep growing. its no biggie - gnutella can be censored simply by injecting garbage into the system which is what flatplanet tried to do. freenet on the other hand...
true. because - lets face it - live video looks like shit. ever tried filming a movie with a hand camera - its sucks rocks. if any/.er wants to see something really impressive look at http://405themovie.com for an example of how much you can digitally introduce.
i'd use coda or AFS ( i prefer AFS ) as he base filesystem. at the uni i work we serve 125K users..not the 50K you want but we use AFS as the main filestore on an origin 2000 (192 CPUs) for compute and a AIX cluster (6 x dual/quad cpu RS/6000s). In general, i'd recommend you get a couple of dual cpu alpha boxen running tru64 or linux/alpha ( say two or 3 at $10K each ), a RAID array for each alpha box or just get two sun E450s with 4 CPUs each and get one A3500FC array with two FC cards running solaris. either way its going to cost $70K or so. you can use apache/linux x86 boxen on the front end authenticating using kerberos and kerberised FTP to the back end cluster of alphas or sparcs. Around 50 of these machines should be enough..you get cheap dual cpu asus p2bds mobos + dual 650Mhz piiis for 1700 each with HDD, NIC, 512MB of ram etc... look at spending $250K for the whole thing..your company should be able to afford it easily. i recommend cisco for the switches and 3c905Bs for the linux boxes NICs. we spend $2-3mil a year for our infrastructure but we can afford it.
suns JDK on linux sucks rocks. it tends to lock up under heavy loads. i've personally observed this several times. blackdowns 1.2.2FCS works as well as suns JVMs on solaris do. note that most JVMs are better off with a max of 125 threads/JVM. of course with java multiprocessing/mutlithreading is built into the language from the ground up and as a general rule i run at least 4 independent JVMs per machine (500 concurrent users) for decent performance.
just pointing out something on your statement about using up all the uranium... most reactors now are fast breeder reactors. the byproduct is weapons grade plutonium. this plutonium can be used in other reactors as well....so your fuel supply doenst run out quickly. it will be a VERY loong time before we run out of fuel for nukes. i prefer nukes mysqlf becuase of the energy density. one nuke plant can pump out more than you can hope to by any other means...and lets not forget the sun is really a huge nuke reactor when you come down to it.
any idea if they managed to fix the "we cant write to flash using linux on the ipaq" bugs ? how bout writing to flash on the fly with applications so i dont have to bother about that battery backed ram loosing data ? and is the PCMCIA/PC flash slots fully supported yet ?
ugh. i went :
motif/cde -> fvwm95 -> afterstep -> 4dwm -> KDE -> gnome -> afterstep
now im sticking to afterstep/4dwm - i dislike bloated pieces of shit like gnome and kde.
hey you gnome/kde developers - heres a heads up for you. not all of us like/use your crappy bloated desktops.
nah. the VM is still fucked to put it bluntly. VFS layers need to be rewritten..theyre screwed...al viro has also screwed up ext2 and is busy fixing it (major patches for BOTH 2.4 and 2.2)...elevator algorithm needs tweaking....latencies are really high and for a while there they were planning on scrapping the whole damn thing...although now it seems to have settled down. several hundred bugs were found by some guys at a uni somewhere using a hacked g++ and those problems are being fixed too....or at least they plan to fix em...in short - dont count on it. and dont use the first coupla versions.
the difference in open source is sharing of course. the final product is shared.
in a sense open source is like academia - the competing drives to produce code for oneself, plus the need to share said code with peers. its neither capitalism nor communism but something that takes the best of both and merges them. the whole is greater than the sum of the parts etc etc. i guess its the exact same thing as the university model which neither makes a profit nor a loss but contributes to the average population nonetheless.
the problem is URL rewriting doesnt work reliably on most servlet engines. besides, there are some cases where you cant use URL rewriting, forcing you to use cookies.
webstires dont have to be engineered like large software projects. any website with a good editor which shows all the pages with links graphically should be enough. and anyway, for dynamic websites you need to do a lot of analysis on server load and stuff which webml doesnt do.,
1] the strongarm has lower power consumption than the crusoe. its good for webpads.
2] Lots of webpad stuff is coming out with strongarms and ibm/sony/gateway will also be trying AMDs new power saving stuff which is pretty close to transmetas....and is proven x86 compatible as opposed to this brand new chip with its weird architecture. plus AMD owns fabs.
how far does the earth move when nasa fires its space shuttle off ? negligible. its te same with the station...its weighs several hundred tonnes so a small particle aint gonna budge it.
yup. wish they would look after their own products tho. as an ibm customer its damn annoying when ibm doesnt do simple stuff...for example, theres no type iv jdbc/odbc driver for DB/2 yet (well..there is for DB/2 400 but not the regular DB/2). whats up with that ? its just stupid. and this is from the company which wrote their own jdk ? and they cant write a type iv jdbc/odbc driver ? wha ? the mysql guys wrote it in a matter of weeks for mysql.
dont mention tivo. the more its swept under the rug the better. eventually those clueless morons at MPAA will catch on but by then there will be enough tivos in every home just like VCRs and they wont be able to stop it.
>A real server box with 2 or 4 G4's and easy access to all the hardware
my desktop has two cpus. servers need to scale. a 16 CPU machine out of apple MIGHT compete with my 10 CPU E4500 server.did i mention my 10 CPU machine has 64 bit CPUs, fibre channel and 20GB of RAM ? and connects to a hardware RAID array ? is apple 64 bit yet (essentialk for files over 2GB on the filesystem) ? does it support VxFS or equivalent log filesystems ? does it connect via fibre to a RAID array ? does it have 64 bit PCI slots ?
> Mac OS X with full SMP support and all your favorite tools All the cool >NeXT/OpenStep stuff that comes with OS X
a server needs no display postscript thing for a desktop. why should i waste CPU on displaying graphics ? what do i care for tools/GUIs etc as applications like webservers etc which are going to run without an interface anyway as a daemon.
>Redundant power supplies Hot-swappable SCSI RAID Industrial design that kicked ass, so that you'd want it out in the open instead of hiding on a rack or under a workbench
what use is that for a server ? its supposed to be dumped in a corner and forgotten about. redundant stuff/hot swap raid etc is already standard on all the machines i have including my desktop..you mean apple doesnt have that yet ?
methinks you need a desktop and stop trying to wedge a desktop system into server space.
ive got a 720e. it still has a green screen and OS/400 V4R4M0 still needs a green screen based process to install TCP/IP so you can access the whiz bang GUI interface. its not my fathers AS/400 - but its pretty damn close. until AS/400 ditches that legacy interface and moves to ASCII instead of EBDIC i doubt its going anywhere anytime soon. at least its running an AIX kernel internally now *sigh*.
its called "black box syndrome". i've seen it often. a huge half ton piece of black metal is a lot more impressive than a PC. even if the PC thrashes it in user friendliness, performance and price...
sheer bulk is what people buy these monsters for.
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whats more interesting is the original parent UNIX TSS which started the whole thing died in 1989 after 10 versions....while its offspring continue to grow. anyone who used UNIX TSS wanna speculate on how good the original UNIX was ? especially at ver 10 ? we could probably copy some of that stuff and graft it into linux/bsd...if it came out with something new.... BTW, anyone see if multics is on the tree ? couldnt find it anywhere.
a fab plant costs less to M$ than to most other companies. they could build a couple of dozen without even impacting their bottom line. whether you design a chip for a router or a P-III, a chip is a chip. same VLSI design principles, same masks, same methods. anyone who can design a router chip can design a P-III..the only thing different is higher density and more complexity. if M$ can build a system as huge as windoze they can surely build a processor ..just throw enough hardware guys at the problem. and we all know M$ has enough money to afford that.
staroffice/starportal software can do that. ok so starportals not freeware.....but the concept is great. its based on staroffice but can be run over the web. checkitout : http://www.sun.com/products/staroffice/starportal/ ..i've got a coupla copies of it running beta ..works ok.
actually FreeBSD and linux have been code swapping for a while now. it works like this - the BSD guys see something they need, the linux guys see something else they need. They both cross license it and swap. its no biggie.
coding 3D models using opengl and using a plugin raytracer is a helluva lot easier than forking out for 3d studio, building primitive models in its limited environment and then trying to export the damn thing to a decent fast real time raytracer. ever wonder why most raytracers are command line only ? just thought you should know.
actually he raised a valid point. what prevents any larger company from running their own servers, advertising like hell, taking the helix gnome code and relabelling it and providing the same or more services ? and in that case do you think helix is going to go anywhere with that ? what makes you think content is easier to provide than software ? or whether its a valid business model ? and why would anyone pay $5/mo for it when the same info is easy to find using google ?
junkbusters fairly redundant now - i dont think we need it. try mozilla M17 and yuou can block all adverts without junkbuster. fairly cute and its better to have it integrated into the browser anyway,.
filesharing shouldnt be forced and anyway, gnutella hosts 20+ TB of files right now...yep thats terabytes. just like the old bbs days more and more people will share files if they cant find what theyre looking for and the system will keep growing. its no biggie - gnutella can be censored simply by injecting garbage into the system which is what flatplanet tried to do. freenet on the other hand...
true. because - lets face it - live video looks like shit. ever tried filming a movie with a hand camera - its sucks rocks. if any /.er wants to see something really impressive look at http://405themovie.com for an example of how much you can digitally introduce.
i'd use coda or AFS ( i prefer AFS ) as he base filesystem. at the uni i work we serve 125K users..not the 50K you want but we use AFS as the main filestore on an origin 2000 (192 CPUs) for compute and a AIX cluster (6 x dual/quad cpu RS/6000s). In general, i'd recommend you get a couple of dual cpu alpha boxen running tru64 or linux/alpha ( say two or 3 at $10K each ), a RAID array for each alpha box or just get two sun E450s with 4 CPUs each and get one A3500FC array with two FC cards running solaris. either way its going to cost $70K or so. you can use apache/linux x86 boxen on the front end authenticating using kerberos and kerberised FTP to the back end cluster of alphas or sparcs. Around 50 of these machines should be enough..you get cheap dual cpu asus p2bds mobos + dual 650Mhz piiis for 1700 each with HDD, NIC, 512MB of ram etc... look at spending $250K for the whole thing..your company should be able to afford it easily. i recommend cisco for the switches and 3c905Bs for the linux boxes NICs. we spend $2-3mil a year for our infrastructure but we can afford it.
suns JDK on linux sucks rocks. it tends to lock up under heavy loads. i've personally observed this several times. blackdowns 1.2.2FCS works as well as suns JVMs on solaris do. note that most JVMs are better off with a max of 125 threads/JVM. of course with java multiprocessing/mutlithreading is built into the language from the ground up and as a general rule i run at least 4 independent JVMs per machine (500 concurrent users) for decent performance.
just pointing out something on your statement about using up all the uranium... most reactors now are fast breeder reactors. the byproduct is weapons grade plutonium. this plutonium can be used in other reactors as well....so your fuel supply doenst run out quickly. it will be a VERY loong time before we run out of fuel for nukes. i prefer nukes mysqlf becuase of the energy density. one nuke plant can pump out more than you can hope to by any other means...and lets not forget the sun is really a huge nuke reactor when you come down to it.
any idea if they managed to fix the "we cant write to flash using linux on the ipaq" bugs ? how bout writing to flash on the fly with applications so i dont have to bother about that battery backed ram loosing data ? and is the PCMCIA/PC flash slots fully supported yet ?
ugh. i went :
motif/cde -> fvwm95 -> afterstep -> 4dwm -> KDE -> gnome -> afterstep
now im sticking to afterstep/4dwm - i dislike bloated pieces of shit like gnome and kde.
hey you gnome/kde developers - heres a heads up for you. not all of us like/use your crappy bloated desktops.
nah. the VM is still fucked to put it bluntly. VFS layers need to be rewritten..theyre screwed...al viro has also screwed up ext2 and is busy fixing it (major patches for BOTH 2.4 and 2.2)...elevator algorithm needs tweaking....latencies are really high and for a while there they were planning on scrapping the whole damn thing...although now it seems to have settled down. several hundred bugs were found by some guys at a uni somewhere using a hacked g++ and those problems are being fixed too....or at least they plan to fix em...in short - dont count on it. and dont use the first coupla versions.
the difference in open source is sharing of course. the final product is shared. in a sense open source is like academia - the competing drives to produce code for oneself, plus the need to share said code with peers. its neither capitalism nor communism but something that takes the best of both and merges them. the whole is greater than the sum of the parts etc etc. i guess its the exact same thing as the university model which neither makes a profit nor a loss but contributes to the average population nonetheless.
the problem is URL rewriting doesnt work reliably on most servlet engines. besides, there are some cases where you cant use URL rewriting, forcing you to use cookies.
webstires dont have to be engineered like large software projects. any website with a good editor which shows all the pages with links graphically should be enough. and anyway, for dynamic websites you need to do a lot of analysis on server load and stuff which webml doesnt do.,
1] the strongarm has lower power consumption than the crusoe. its good for webpads.
2] Lots of webpad stuff is coming out with strongarms and ibm/sony/gateway will also be trying AMDs new power saving stuff which is pretty close to transmetas....and is proven x86 compatible as opposed to this brand new chip with its weird architecture. plus AMD owns fabs.
how far does the earth move when nasa fires its space shuttle off ? negligible. its te same with the station...its weighs several hundred tonnes so a small particle aint gonna budge it.
yup. wish they would look after their own products tho. as an ibm customer its damn annoying when ibm doesnt do simple stuff...for example, theres no type iv jdbc/odbc driver for DB/2 yet (well..there is for DB/2 400 but not the regular DB/2). whats up with that ? its just stupid. and this is from the company which wrote their own jdk ? and they cant write a type iv jdbc/odbc driver ? wha ? the mysql guys wrote it in a matter of weeks for mysql.
dont mention tivo. the more its swept under the rug the better. eventually those clueless morons at MPAA will catch on but by then there will be enough tivos in every home just like VCRs and they wont be able to stop it.
>A real server box with 2 or 4 G4's and easy access to all the hardware
my desktop has two cpus. servers need to scale. a 16 CPU machine out of apple MIGHT compete with my 10 CPU E4500 server.did i mention my 10 CPU machine has 64 bit CPUs, fibre channel and 20GB of RAM ? and connects to a hardware RAID array ? is apple 64 bit yet (essentialk for files over 2GB on the filesystem) ? does it support VxFS or equivalent log filesystems ? does it connect via fibre to a RAID array ? does it have 64 bit PCI slots ?
> Mac OS X with full SMP support and all your favorite tools All the cool >NeXT/OpenStep stuff that comes with OS X
a server needs no display postscript thing for a desktop. why should i waste CPU on displaying graphics ? what do i care for tools/GUIs etc as applications like webservers etc which are going to run without an interface anyway as a daemon.
>Redundant power supplies Hot-swappable SCSI RAID Industrial design that kicked ass, so that you'd want it out in the open instead of hiding on a rack or under a workbench
what use is that for a server ? its supposed to be dumped in a corner and forgotten about. redundant stuff/hot swap raid etc is already standard on all the machines i have including my desktop..you mean apple doesnt have that yet ?
methinks you need a desktop and stop trying to wedge a desktop system into server space.
ive got a 720e. it still has a green screen and OS/400 V4R4M0 still needs a green screen based process to install TCP/IP so you can access the whiz bang GUI interface. its not my fathers AS/400 - but its pretty damn close. until AS/400 ditches that legacy interface and moves to ASCII instead of EBDIC i doubt its going anywhere anytime soon. at least its running an AIX kernel internally now *sigh*.
its called "black box syndrome". i've seen it often. a huge half ton piece of black metal is a lot more impressive than a PC. even if the PC thrashes it in user friendliness, performance and price...
sheer bulk is what people buy these monsters for.