My linux box has worked flawlessly with three different cable modems on two different services (@Home - static, and Bresnanlink - dynamic). </me too>
What I liked was the last guy said, oh, well you probably know enough about networking to get this running, so unless you want help with it right now, I won't screw with your stuff...
I like it when people realize you have a clue, so they don't insist on 'I have to install this for you and screw up netscape, all your settings, etc...' (and support afterwards is still free).
Question though - what is 'pump'? Is that a util that RR gives you? Never heard of it....
The integrated video on any of those boards chokes starting at ~1024x768 above 16bit color. 800x600 in 16 bit is fine for some people, but why (5 years later) can't we at least have an onboard video chip that is half as fast as a Matrox Millenium (I)? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense...
I haven't met an onboard sound set that I've liked yet, but hey, if you are only planning on paying $499 for a system, the integrated boards are almost acceptable... just don't try to use them for anything besides freecell (they can't handle Space Cadet Pinball 8^D)
>>The main problem with ORBS is that it is harder to explain (with RSS you can say 'spam _has_ been sent through this server'), >*plenty* of spam *has* come through AOL...
Some of the spam I've gotten from AOL has been from invalid AOL screen names, relayed through the AOL servers. This was a reply to another comment, not the original article (in which case, yes, that would be accurate)... the point was that I was getting spam through AOl relays, as well as 'real' AO Lusers.
Yeah, the way they handled that was less than exemplary... I was running a Linux masq box on @Home at the time (now on a slightly different version of @Home (or something)), and though I didn't personally have any problems (my box is locked up pretty tight (sendmail config and firewalling), so I didn't get a nastygram, but I noticed a few others that did have problems, and I know of at least one person who *did* get a letter from @Home... but he wasn't actually a problem (I ran through his setup and log with him). Oh well - they needed to blame somebody.
I, for one, can attest that *plenty* of spam *has* come through AOL... almost every day for the last three -> five years I've gotten some spam from an AOL address (though msn.com is awful popular these days)...
Cut 'em off. They can live in their own little world.
Well, your ORBS reply message should be set that someone should understand it well enough (though I grant you that few on AOL would grasp most concepts tougher than the 'start' button) to forward a copy to their postmaster.
Say something about your mail service, aol.com (create that), is assisting spammers and illegal activity, yadda yadda. If you want to help fix this so you can send *your* e-mail, forward this to postmaster@aol.com (create that, too). With a minute or two spent on the message, you could practically tell them step by step how to properly deal with it (though some couldn't find a button with two hands and a roadmap...). Then in the next paragraph you can list the normal ORBS stuff, with the URL and all that jazz.
Tens of thousands of calls to AOL customer service may be the only way to remedy the situation, so people have to do this. I suggested in another post a rather extreme view (have the backbones cut them off from the rest of the world until they update a setting or two). Shouldn't be tough to see some action then, and then AOL could have some cute little 'art' appear on everyone's screen saying that the world has stopped being unfair to all of you wonderful AOLusers and that you can get back to that big scary internet, but we know you don't want to, so come join a chatroom...
Well, I know of a few people who are going to be a little dissapointed if this happens... my school properly secured the mailserver a few years ago, at which point some of the more spam oriented folks on campus realized that aol's servers were still wide open for such things... actually, so were sgi's (at the time). I'm sure that's been fixed...
The best is when the school ran a local search, and all sorts of people got hatemail saying "we found an active relaying mailserver on the system in your room. Fix it or be assimilated... I mean, deactivated" (or something to that effect). Pretty funny. Then, of course, came the firewall, so that ended the need for that, so they only scoured internal webservers for spurious/mp3 and/movies directories... There were more than a few people who got shut down because of that.
Of course, a college can easily shut off a port on a managed hub, but for AOL, maybe Sprint, MCI, et al could just sever any links out to the rest of the world until they comply... that would be pretty funny (I can see the even dumber commericials now... "Now with re-activted internet connectivity!").
One big HTML file with internal links isn't so bad (make it work with gpm, and you're golden in my book), and as long as we maintain the current man until such time as it is no longer needed (everything, including normal text, is redered with some funky xml method (people seem to love xml...)) I wouldn't have any complaint. A flag would be fine, and easily aliasable (or maybe that's not a word - would have high aliasablosity?) through the shell.
Your proposed layout for the pages is pretty good, but I'd move the overview before the examples, or at least insert a small one or two paragraph "Description" in there, before you get cranking on the examples. The man pages in AIX (I happen to be typing on it, so it's easy to check) are somewhat similar to what you suggest:
1) Purpose (1 line) 2) Syntax (brief list of the options, usually the same thing you'd see with a --help) 3) Description (way too long for 'tar', but for 'cat', a nice 4 line explanation) 4) Flags (in depth explanation) 5) Exit Status 6) Examples 7) Files / related information
Pretty much your overview is their Description, and I think that needs to go before the examples (though a quick link down to all of the sections at the top would be a good idea), and of course the related information could include a bunch of link to external docs,as well as other man pages (grep -> egrep -> fgrep -> http://www.ldp.org/boyisgrepgreat/ or whatever). The order of the layout could vary, but as long as all of hte necessary parts are there, and are easily accessable, you could have a really happy doc that serves both newbie and guru alike...
Favorite AIX 'man tar' example: 7. To archive to an 8-mm device when using the -S flag, enter: tar -cvf/dev/rmt0 -S 4800000b/usr
Yeah... there are too many awards shows anyway (now getting even worse, with several new shows just to promote different sub-sects of industries), though people will continue to watch them, just as they continue to care about things like Princess Di (and I don't mean her humanitarian efforts, which were commendable) and her marriage to Charles, the rest of the 'royal family', who has more power in America than they do in the U.K. (judging by the number of commemorative plates sold and tabloid covers). People want to see *stars*. They are awed by them. Many of us still can't understand why. I've been a Yankees fan all my life - collect cards, memorabilia, but I'm not following the personal lives of my favorite players like a soap opera. I met Yogi Berra. Thought it was neat. Didn't grovel for an autograph, scream 'ohmigodthereheisarealyankkee!!!' or anything. I think Samuel L. Jackson is a kick-ass actor, but t be honest, I'd be able to get over it if he never made another film. Wouldn't take long.
People fall into the herd (not GNU) mentality too easily, and are too easily impressed with the mystical society that is hollywood. Get over it.
Yeah... I usually stay away from a lot of films that win "Picture of the year" or things like that... The Piano won it... I saw it... hated it... dumb, bad movie. There were a few others in this same stream from other years. I've found I tend not to agree with a lot of critics, so I can usually base a lot off of what they think (though sometimes, they are right - a movie is just *bad*).
I also know a lot of people who religiously avoid all mainstream films, and watch only indie movies (the most maintsream of which come from Troma) and praise them up and down, when all I see is a poorly produced piece of garbage with bad acting, shoddy storyline, and usually bad camera work (hmmm, now why does the Blair Witch Project suddenly come into my head). Every now and then, there's a good movie, but the signal/noise ratio isn't any better than the mainstream market (which is pretty littered with bad sequels - "Speed 17: Nursing House Woes." - There's a bomb on your go-cart... if you go above 5 mph, it will arm, and it also disrupts any pacemakers in the area...).
Some of the 'best' movies I've ever seen have been comedies that don't pretend to be something they aren't (Mel Brooks films, for example). A couple of the Batman sequels fall into the bad attempt bucket... Other movies are just far too overdone. People don't seem to know when to stop.
>Q8: Man Pages No manual entry for Pages. MY opinion on this is just my HTML idea as up in Q1. Maybe even convert man to HTML, and link that top-level newbified doc to specific anchors in the ultra-technical man page.
Well... html pages are neat for docs... though I *hate* having to jump through more than one or two links to get anything - any of those howtos online that are split up by section are horribly frustrating. What is this - three or four paragraphs, then I have to click again... I can't scan back and forth. Usually there is a 'one big html file' option, but often there isn't. That's not good help, separating for the sake of separating. HTML also doesn't work well in a CLI/shell env... I suppose that man could call lynx instead of less (or whatever you may have it set to), but man pages shouldn't be split up, and often, getting X, the browser and the internet link are the areas where one would need the man page the most.
There still needs to be man in its current incarnation... just updated. (see several other comments from various ppl about how the *BSD, AIX, and Solaris man pages are better).
Personally, I think that commenting on a story should only undo the moderation done to the comments in the same thread as your comment, not the whole story. This way I could knock down a pancake-eating ninja, raise two other comments, and reply to a totally different subject that's on the same story, but not involved in my moderation. It makes more sense, and you don't acidentally waste any of your points (oops!). Kind of silly, the way it works now.
Many man pages could be improved greatly by adding a couple of short examples at the bottom... some already have these, and some don't..
For the AIX man page - tar has several, and you can usually find what you need there...
5. To expand the compressed tar archive file, fil.tar.z, pass the file to the tar command, and extract all files from the expanded tar archive file,enter: zcat fil.tar.Z | tar -xvf -
granted, they could just put tar -xzvf fil.tar.gz in this example as well... looking at the tar man page on my linux box, I can see the problem, though... no examples... the BSD and AIX tar man pages are *far* better than the Linux tar man page... why? I'm sure there are other people who have access to these things... grab the man pages from AIX, Solaris, Linux and BSD, check the common flags, steal good examples and descriptions, and make one larger, but better file. Not all of the utils are fully flag compatible in all systems, but this at least gives a good starting point.
Remember also that all of the man/help has to be available through a CLI, since many people run through ssh/telnet sessions, or need the man page to get X running 8^)
The acceptance for "One Day..." was the worst speech I've ever heard. 'You all suck and nobody watches good movies, and ours isn't even out yet, and I'm a crotchety old geezer, and thank god I won this so I can go die in peace - did I mention you all suck?' was about the gist of it... on the other hand, the speech for best supporting actor (Caine) was one of the most gracious speeches I've heard, individually praising each of the other nominees, and saying that he was 'representing them' accepting the award. That's class.
I still wish they had never called it a 'law'... though that certainly is more catchy than "Moore's Trend" or "Moore's Guestimate on Human Advancement in Semiconductors"... If it were a law, we wouldn't need the companies to work on things for us, Nature would drop fast new processors on us every 18 months. Kinda like that skittles commercial.....
The easiest way would probably be to post about Natalie's new 8-minute petrified grits, and taunt the moderators repeatedly - that way, you could get back under 25, and not have to worry about that silly 'No Score +1 Bonus' button.
<anti-karma bait>I'm far enough over that I'd have to do some serious ninja pancake runs, Trolling for Scooby Doo, or M$ advocacy to get back under 25 (though I'm certainly nowhere near the levels of some of the famous posters here)... so I'll post this at +1 and take my chances</anti-karma bait>
If I remember correctly, somebody took 50-75 AIX RS/6ks and clustered them a year or two ago, with pretty nice results... Of course, you could always just get an RS/6000 S80 or a Sun e10000... or go all the way to a mainframe (I'd still love to have one, though a Cray-1 with the couch would be even better...)
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My linux box has worked flawlessly with three different cable modems on two different services (@Home - static, and Bresnanlink - dynamic).
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What I liked was the last guy said, oh, well you probably know enough about networking to get this running, so unless you want help with it right now, I won't screw with your stuff...
I like it when people realize you have a clue, so they don't insist on 'I have to install this for you and screw up netscape, all your settings, etc...' (and support afterwards is still free).
Question though - what is 'pump'? Is that a util that RR gives you? Never heard of it....
They probably aren't all running simultaneously, and heck - memory is cheap, and well worth it.
The integrated video on any of those boards chokes starting at ~1024x768 above 16bit color. 800x600 in 16 bit is fine for some people, but why (5 years later) can't we at least have an onboard video chip that is half as fast as a Matrox Millenium (I)? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense...
I haven't met an onboard sound set that I've liked yet, but hey, if you are only planning on paying $499 for a system, the integrated boards are almost acceptable... just don't try to use them for anything besides freecell (they can't handle Space Cadet Pinball 8^D)
Not really... you didn't take my post in context.
>>The main problem with ORBS is that it is harder to explain (with RSS you can say 'spam _has_ been sent through this server'),
>*plenty* of spam *has* come through AOL...
Some of the spam I've gotten from AOL has been from invalid AOL screen names, relayed through the AOL servers. This was a reply to another comment, not the original article (in which case, yes, that would be accurate)... the point was that I was getting spam through AOl relays, as well as 'real' AO Lusers.
Oooh.... I like that one 8^)
Is it an... *evil* transient? (finger to mouth)
Yeah, the way they handled that was less than exemplary... I was running a Linux masq box on @Home at the time (now on a slightly different version of @Home (or something)), and though I didn't personally have any problems (my box is locked up pretty tight (sendmail config and firewalling), so I didn't get a nastygram, but I noticed a few others that did have problems, and I know of at least one person who *did* get a letter from @Home... but he wasn't actually a problem (I ran through his setup and log with him). Oh well - they needed to blame somebody.
Bah!
I, for one, can attest that *plenty* of spam *has* come through AOL... almost every day for the last three -> five years I've gotten some spam from an AOL address (though msn.com is awful popular these days)...
Cut 'em off. They can live in their own little world.
Let them have their 'global bbs'. I'll keep using the CDs as drink coasters, wallpaper, and shower mirrors.
... that could scar kids for life ;-)
Promiscuous Browsing, huh? Like http://www.mustbedestroyed.com/
Well, your ORBS reply message should be set that someone should understand it well enough (though I grant you that few on AOL would grasp most concepts tougher than the 'start' button) to forward a copy to their postmaster.
;-)
Say something about your mail service, aol.com (create that), is assisting spammers and illegal activity, yadda yadda. If you want to help fix this so you can send *your* e-mail, forward this to postmaster@aol.com (create that, too). With a minute or two spent on the message, you could practically tell them step by step how to properly deal with it (though some couldn't find a button with two hands and a roadmap...). Then in the next paragraph you can list the normal ORBS stuff, with the URL and all that jazz.
Tens of thousands of calls to AOL customer service may be the only way to remedy the situation, so people have to do this. I suggested in another post a rather extreme view (have the backbones cut them off from the rest of the world until they update a setting or two). Shouldn't be tough to see some action then, and then AOL could have some cute little 'art' appear on everyone's screen saying that the world has stopped being unfair to all of you wonderful AOLusers and that you can get back to that big scary internet, but we know you don't want to, so come join a chatroom...
A lawsuit would work, too
Well, I know of a few people who are going to be a little dissapointed if this happens... my school properly secured the mailserver a few years ago, at which point some of the more spam oriented folks on campus realized that aol's servers were still wide open for such things... actually, so were sgi's (at the time). I'm sure that's been fixed...
/mp3 and /movies directories... There were more than a few people who got shut down because of that.
The best is when the school ran a local search, and all sorts of people got hatemail saying "we found an active relaying mailserver on the system in your room. Fix it or be assimilated... I mean, deactivated" (or something to that effect). Pretty funny. Then, of course, came the firewall, so that ended the need for that, so they only scoured internal webservers for spurious
Of course, a college can easily shut off a port on a managed hub, but for AOL, maybe Sprint, MCI, et al could just sever any links out to the rest of the world until they comply... that would be pretty funny (I can see the even dumber commericials now... "Now with re-activted internet connectivity!").
AOL... hehe
Yup, there are always far more bad movies playing at any given time... even in a 4 or 6 plex...
One big HTML file with internal links isn't so bad (make it work with gpm, and you're golden in my book), and as long as we maintain the current man until such time as it is no longer needed (everything, including normal text, is redered with some funky xml method (people seem to love xml...)) I wouldn't have any complaint. A flag would be fine, and easily aliasable (or maybe that's not a word - would have high aliasablosity?) through the shell.
/dev/rmt0 -S 4800000b /usr
Your proposed layout for the pages is pretty good, but I'd move the overview before the examples, or at least insert a small one or two paragraph "Description" in there, before you get cranking on the examples. The man pages in AIX (I happen to be typing on it, so it's easy to check) are somewhat similar to what you suggest:
1) Purpose (1 line)
2) Syntax (brief list of the options, usually the same thing you'd see with a --help)
3) Description (way too long for 'tar', but for 'cat', a nice 4 line explanation)
4) Flags (in depth explanation)
5) Exit Status
6) Examples
7) Files / related information
Pretty much your overview is their Description, and I think that needs to go before the examples (though a quick link down to all of the sections at the top would be a good idea), and of course the related information could include a bunch of link to external docs,as well as other man pages (grep -> egrep -> fgrep -> http://www.ldp.org/boyisgrepgreat/ or whatever). The order of the layout could vary, but as long as all of hte necessary parts are there, and are easily accessable, you could have a really happy doc that serves both newbie and guru alike...
Favorite AIX 'man tar' example:
7. To archive to an 8-mm device when using the -S flag, enter:
tar -cvf
I mean, weren't you just wondering that? 8^)
Yeah... there are too many awards shows anyway (now getting even worse, with several new shows just to promote different sub-sects of industries), though people will continue to watch them, just as they continue to care about things like Princess Di (and I don't mean her humanitarian efforts, which were commendable) and her marriage to Charles, the rest of the 'royal family', who has more power in America than they do in the U.K. (judging by the number of commemorative plates sold and tabloid covers). People want to see *stars*. They are awed by them. Many of us still can't understand why. I've been a Yankees fan all my life - collect cards, memorabilia, but I'm not following the personal lives of my favorite players like a soap opera. I met Yogi Berra. Thought it was neat. Didn't grovel for an autograph, scream 'ohmigodthereheisarealyankkee!!!' or anything. I think Samuel L. Jackson is a kick-ass actor, but t be honest, I'd be able to get over it if he never made another film. Wouldn't take long.
People fall into the herd (not GNU) mentality too easily, and are too easily impressed with the mystical society that is hollywood. Get over it.
Let the flaming/moderating begin.
Yeah... I usually stay away from a lot of films that win "Picture of the year" or things like that... The Piano won it... I saw it... hated it... dumb, bad movie. There were a few others in this same stream from other years. I've found I tend not to agree with a lot of critics, so I can usually base a lot off of what they think (though sometimes, they are right - a movie is just *bad*).
I also know a lot of people who religiously avoid all mainstream films, and watch only indie movies (the most maintsream of which come from Troma) and praise them up and down, when all I see is a poorly produced piece of garbage with bad acting, shoddy storyline, and usually bad camera work (hmmm, now why does the Blair Witch Project suddenly come into my head). Every now and then, there's a good movie, but the signal/noise ratio isn't any better than the mainstream market (which is pretty littered with bad sequels - "Speed 17: Nursing House Woes." - There's a bomb on your go-cart... if you go above 5 mph, it will arm, and it also disrupts any pacemakers in the area...).
Some of the 'best' movies I've ever seen have been comedies that don't pretend to be something they aren't (Mel Brooks films, for example). A couple of the Batman sequels fall into the bad attempt bucket... Other movies are just far too overdone. People don't seem to know when to stop.
Oh well.
>Q8: Man Pages
No manual entry for Pages.
MY opinion on this is just my HTML idea as up in Q1. Maybe even convert man to HTML, and link that
top-level newbified doc to specific anchors in the ultra-technical man page.
Well... html pages are neat for docs... though I *hate* having to jump through more than one or two links to get anything - any of those howtos online that are split up by section are horribly frustrating. What is this - three or four paragraphs, then I have to click again... I can't scan back and forth. Usually there is a 'one big html file' option, but often there isn't. That's not good help, separating for the sake of separating. HTML also doesn't work well in a CLI/shell env... I suppose that man could call lynx instead of less (or whatever you may have it set to), but man pages shouldn't be split up, and often, getting X, the browser and the internet link are the areas where one would need the man page the most.
There still needs to be man in its current incarnation... just updated. (see several other comments from various ppl about how the *BSD, AIX, and Solaris man pages are better).
Personally, I think that commenting on a story should only undo the moderation done to the comments in the same thread as your comment, not the whole story. This way I could knock down a pancake-eating ninja, raise two other comments, and reply to a totally different subject that's on the same story, but not involved in my moderation. It makes more sense, and you don't acidentally waste any of your points (oops!). Kind of silly, the way it works now.
Many man pages could be improved greatly by adding a couple of short examples at the bottom... some already have these, and some don't..
For the AIX man page - tar has several, and you can usually find what you need there...
5. To expand the compressed tar archive file, fil.tar.z, pass the file to the tar command, and extract all files from the expanded tar archive file,enter:
zcat fil.tar.Z | tar -xvf -
granted, they could just put
tar -xzvf fil.tar.gz in this example as well... looking at the tar man page on my linux box, I can see the problem, though... no examples... the BSD and AIX tar man pages are *far* better than the Linux tar man page... why? I'm sure there are other people who have access to these things... grab the man pages from AIX, Solaris, Linux and BSD, check the common flags, steal good examples and descriptions, and make one larger, but better file. Not all of the utils are fully flag compatible in all systems, but this at least gives a good starting point.
Remember also that all of the man/help has to be available through a CLI, since many people run through ssh/telnet sessions, or need the man page to get X running 8^)
or if you're running over a telnet/ssh session...
Jar Jar did have some pretty porrly rendered moments... about 1/5 of his on-screen time looked a little off...
The acceptance for "One Day..." was the worst speech I've ever heard. 'You all suck and nobody watches good movies, and ours isn't even out yet, and I'm a crotchety old geezer, and thank god I won this so I can go die in peace - did I mention you all suck?' was about the gist of it... on the other hand, the speech for best supporting actor (Caine) was one of the most gracious speeches I've heard, individually praising each of the other nominees, and saying that he was 'representing them' accepting the award. That's class.
Hmmm.... the Cube...
was a bunch of crap! (said with an appropriate Scottish accent)
Really though, aside from the fact that it did make you think a little bit, there wasn't enough substance in there at all...
Pi was better, but..... I dunno.... not a great movie. Haven't seen ExistenZ - maybe I'll check it out and flame you later 8^)
I still wish they had never called it a 'law'... though that certainly is more catchy than "Moore's Trend" or "Moore's Guestimate on Human Advancement in Semiconductors"... If it were a law, we wouldn't need the companies to work on things for us, Nature would drop fast new processors on us every 18 months. Kinda like that skittles commercial.....
I had the 'real' Q-Bert for my C-64... didn't have a Spectrum 48, tho...
The easiest way would probably be to post about Natalie's new 8-minute petrified grits, and taunt the moderators repeatedly - that way, you could get back under 25, and not have to worry about that silly 'No Score +1 Bonus' button.
<anti-karma bait>I'm far enough over that I'd have to do some serious ninja pancake runs, Trolling for Scooby Doo, or M$ advocacy to get back under 25 (though I'm certainly nowhere near the levels of some of the famous posters here)... so I'll post this at +1 and take my chances</anti-karma bait>
If I remember correctly, somebody took 50-75 AIX RS/6ks and clustered them a year or two ago, with pretty nice results... Of course, you could always just get an RS/6000 S80 or a Sun e10000... or go all the way to a mainframe (I'd still love to have one, though a Cray-1 with the couch would be even better...)