It's called having a job. If you're a salesperson, guess what? You sell what you're HIRED TO SELL!
Only on Slashdot, made up mostly of college students and unemployed, would it be considered a bad thing and a "lack of integrity" to sell things for one company and then go over and sell things for another.
It's not like the rest of the world views everything as "Windows vs. Linux" like you do. It's just another product the guy's gonna be selling. More power to him! The anti-capitalism mindset that permeates around here is so silly sometimes.
Steve Jobs talked to Linus Torvalds about hiring him. He mentioned it in an interview. It's no big deal, and not a "PR nightmare"--well, on Slashdot everyone would suddenly claim it's a PR nightmare, but outside this little niche nobody else would care!
A hiring practice that asks college students to quit school just seems like a bad practice to me.
Why? Obviously they would want you to quit school so that you could work for them! What are you going to do, take night classes? Any business that really wanted you would ask you to quit school if you were attending, so that you could work full-time for them.
You're making $30k less a year than you would have. I think I would have taken the job, I don't know.
What's so inherently secure about Linux? GNU, Debian, Gnome, Gentoo, and more have all been hacked in the last six months. That's pretty embarrassing, and don't think people didn't notice.
Well, since we like them so much, how do Slashdotters feel about the fact that people pirate the fuck out of their games on eMule? Are they "sampling" those games? Or is it "free advertising?" And why does that philosophy apply to music in the minds of Slashdotters but somehow break down when it comes to software?
I wonder how many people will sample the free advertising of Doom 3. Enough to make a dent in sales, that's for sure.
If, say, you were downloading a 20GB file...would the hard drive even be able to keep up with 6.5 gigabits a second? What does that translate to in megabytes?
You sound like Slashdot did when I used to visit it in high school back in 1998. Linux was going to "squash M$" because they couldn't beat back a "paradigm."
Meanwhile, what's ignored is that paying for software gives financial incentive for programmers to spend all day ironing out that interface, making that sound card work, etc. and generally working on the non-fun areas in which Linux is sorely behind. It also lets them quit their dayjobs so they can focus all their time and energy on finishing the project beyond a 0.x version number. And it pays for a marketing department that knows how to choose a good name and get the project out to people so they can obtain it.
Having OSS volunteers doesn't magically mean it's suddenly better just because.
This is completely off-topic. I know this and am willing to accept the moderation and hit on my karma. But Slashdot will not report it, in leiu of a bunch of positive fluff Linux pieces intended to counter that silly soundcard article. There is a clear agenda at play with regards to how flaws in Windows and flaws in Linux are reported. I'll let you decide for yourself. I'm not an anti-OSS troll (as a matter of fact I run FreeBSD on my laptop), I just depise blatant biased reporting and a bunch of people falling for it.
Security researchers are warning of a buffer overflow security flaw in the Linux kernel that can be exploited to lead to privilege escalation attacks.
According to an advisory issued by iDEFENSE, the vulnerabilities affect Linux Kernel 2.6.x; Linux Kernel 2.5.x and Linux Kernel 2.4.x.
"Successful exploitation may allow arbitrary code execution with root or kernel level privileges," the company warned.
The company found that affected versions of Linux kernel performed no length checking on symbolic links stored on an ISO9660 file system, a problem that allows a malformed CD to perform an arbitrary length overflow in kernel memory.
"Symbolic links on ISO9660 file systems are supported by the 'Rock Ridge' extension to the standard format. The vulnerability can be triggered by performing a directory listing on a maliciously constructed ISO file system, or attempting to access a file via a malformed symlink on such a file system. Many distributions allow local users to mount CDs, which makes them potentially vulnerable to local elevation attacks," according to the security alert.
You bring up GIMP and Blender, two apps known for their bad interfaces. That's why they're known as being "weird." Not because they're different, but because they're just plain bad.
Linux can easily come up with its own GUI design. We've got thousands of world volunteers at our disposal. As someone important recently quipped, "We have the power of millions of volunteers and what do we do? We make a UNIX clone. Then we make a Windows clone on top of it."
I love that you automagically assume its a cheap $10 "easily-replaced" card. Because it couldn't be a Linux fault, right? The guy just had to be biased.
Are you saying suddenly everything is justified because he didn't try a distro that "might" have worked?
A newbie would gawk at you if you told him, "Well, don't try that distro, try this one...oh, wait, to get that working you need to try this one..." Out of about 10 distros.
Newbies DO install operating systems. I guess you never knew that a lot of people upgraded Windows 95 to 98, or 98 to 2000, 98 to XP, etc....
The upgrade procedure is that easy. Can you upgrade a Linux distro and expect usable results? I've never gotten a Linux upgrade to work--I therefore always reinstall from scratch (which sucks).
The problem is, then the "Linux will take over everything" guys come along and bitch and complain that Linux isn't widely accepted. Often they'll blame a "M$ monopoly" or some other similar scapegoat.
Basically, what you and the other poster are confirming is that Linux is, indeed, made by developers for developers, and that's it. I'm tired of elitist morons who think just because Linux dares support something like a mainstream soundcard (gasp!), somehow it loses its ability to be a powerful web server and development environment.
But hey, this is the same community that bashed Microsoft's interface, then subsequently ripped of the taskbar, start menu, integrated file/net browser, and so on. Sometimes I wonder if anybody has their heads on straight anymore.
The late 1999 golden child that Linux was in the media is over, people--now we're all wondering where the big jump in acceptance was supposed to have occurred. The hype is gone, and now it's all about RESULTS. It hasn't happened, and with the attitudes displayed here, it never will.
Slashdot Mirror
Right, because hiring someone good is the "cost of doing business as a monopoly."
But for the 95+% of the market, there already isn't a need to switch...or else they would have!
It's called having a job. If you're a salesperson, guess what? You sell what you're HIRED TO SELL!
Only on Slashdot, made up mostly of college students and unemployed, would it be considered a bad thing and a "lack of integrity" to sell things for one company and then go over and sell things for another.
It's not like the rest of the world views everything as "Windows vs. Linux" like you do. It's just another product the guy's gonna be selling. More power to him! The anti-capitalism mindset that permeates around here is so silly sometimes.
Steve Jobs talked to Linus Torvalds about hiring him. He mentioned it in an interview. It's no big deal, and not a "PR nightmare"--well, on Slashdot everyone would suddenly claim it's a PR nightmare, but outside this little niche nobody else would care!
A hiring practice that asks college students to quit school just seems like a bad practice to me.
Why? Obviously they would want you to quit school so that you could work for them! What are you going to do, take night classes? Any business that really wanted you would ask you to quit school if you were attending, so that you could work full-time for them.
You're making $30k less a year than you would have. I think I would have taken the job, I don't know.
What's so inherently secure about Linux? GNU, Debian, Gnome, Gentoo, and more have all been hacked in the last six months. That's pretty embarrassing, and don't think people didn't notice.
It's all about the admin. Not the OS.
You mean that town which ran Linux boxes only to end up running VMWare on them anyway to run Windows? I thought it was all a bit weird.
Well, since we like them so much, how do Slashdotters feel about the fact that people pirate the fuck out of their games on eMule? Are they "sampling" those games? Or is it "free advertising?" And why does that philosophy apply to music in the minds of Slashdotters but somehow break down when it comes to software?
I wonder how many people will sample the free advertising of Doom 3. Enough to make a dent in sales, that's for sure.
It was a rhetorical question, just restating the point in the form of a question...Anonymous Coward.
If everyone embraces XUL and suddeny everything ends up becoming as dog-slow as Mozilla, I'll scream.
If, say, you were downloading a 20GB file...would the hard drive even be able to keep up with 6.5 gigabits a second? What does that translate to in megabytes?
This has to be the tenth time I've seen it as a Slashdot comment, upmodded every time.
Uh, "Infiltrating?" Yeah, I'm sure that wasn't purposely inserted to be biased.
Isn't this supposed to be a news site? I can't tell where the news stops and the agenda starts.
You sound like Slashdot did when I used to visit it in high school back in 1998. Linux was going to "squash M$" because they couldn't beat back a "paradigm."
Meanwhile, what's ignored is that paying for software gives financial incentive for programmers to spend all day ironing out that interface, making that sound card work, etc. and generally working on the non-fun areas in which Linux is sorely behind. It also lets them quit their dayjobs so they can focus all their time and energy on finishing the project beyond a 0.x version number. And it pays for a marketing department that knows how to choose a good name and get the project out to people so they can obtain it.
Having OSS volunteers doesn't magically mean it's suddenly better just because.
This is completely off-topic. I know this and am willing to accept the moderation and hit on my karma. But Slashdot will not report it, in leiu of a bunch of positive fluff Linux pieces intended to counter that silly soundcard article. There is a clear agenda at play with regards to how flaws in Windows and flaws in Linux are reported. I'll let you decide for yourself. I'm not an anti-OSS troll (as a matter of fact I run FreeBSD on my laptop), I just depise blatant biased reporting and a bunch of people falling for it.
From IexBeta today:
Security researchers are warning of a buffer overflow security flaw in the Linux kernel that can be exploited to lead to privilege escalation attacks.
According to an advisory issued by iDEFENSE, the vulnerabilities affect Linux Kernel 2.6.x; Linux Kernel 2.5.x and Linux Kernel 2.4.x.
"Successful exploitation may allow arbitrary code execution with root or kernel level privileges," the company warned.
The company found that affected versions of Linux kernel performed no length checking on symbolic links stored on an ISO9660 file system, a problem that allows a malformed CD to perform an arbitrary length overflow in kernel memory.
"Symbolic links on ISO9660 file systems are supported by the 'Rock Ridge' extension to the standard format. The vulnerability can be triggered by performing a directory listing on a maliciously constructed ISO file system, or attempting to access a file via a malformed symlink on such a file system. Many distributions allow local users to mount CDs, which makes them potentially vulnerable to local elevation attacks," according to the security alert.
iDEFENSE Advisory
You bring up GIMP and Blender, two apps known for their bad interfaces. That's why they're known as being "weird." Not because they're different, but because they're just plain bad.
Linux can easily come up with its own GUI design. We've got thousands of world volunteers at our disposal. As someone important recently quipped, "We have the power of millions of volunteers and what do we do? We make a UNIX clone. Then we make a Windows clone on top of it."
Apple puts millions of dollars into UI research and design, why not copy their work?
Uh, because it's their intellectual property? Because Linux isn't supposed to be just a derivative? Because we can do better and make our own?
Doesn't surprise me coming from the "let's pirate everything" crowd.
Soon it'll overtake MS and maybe (distant future) even Apple.
I feel like I've stepped into a time machine, and I'm reading a 1998 comment from Slashdot.
I consider a troll article to be "Microsoft Violates Human Rights In China," or "New Microsoft Hole" when it's about a user-ran executable attachment.
Notice the word "Apparently" placed into the headline...
Funny you mention repeating, since it's a "six-month old repost" according to the front page of Anti-slash.org.
I have to buy a new soundcard just to run Linux?
I love that you automagically assume its a cheap $10 "easily-replaced" card. Because it couldn't be a Linux fault, right? The guy just had to be biased.
Are you saying suddenly everything is justified because he didn't try a distro that "might" have worked?
A newbie would gawk at you if you told him, "Well, don't try that distro, try this one...oh, wait, to get that working you need to try this one..." Out of about 10 distros.
They'll just go back to Windows.
Until Linux gets a unified sound library standard, we'll always have four or five different sound libraries, all conflicting with each other.
Windows? You just use waveout or DirectSound!
Newbies DO install operating systems. I guess you never knew that a lot of people upgraded Windows 95 to 98, or 98 to 2000, 98 to XP, etc....
The upgrade procedure is that easy. Can you upgrade a Linux distro and expect usable results? I've never gotten a Linux upgrade to work--I therefore always reinstall from scratch (which sucks).
The problem is, then the "Linux will take over everything" guys come along and bitch and complain that Linux isn't widely accepted. Often they'll blame a "M$ monopoly" or some other similar scapegoat.
Basically, what you and the other poster are confirming is that Linux is, indeed, made by developers for developers, and that's it. I'm tired of elitist morons who think just because Linux dares support something like a mainstream soundcard (gasp!), somehow it loses its ability to be a powerful web server and development environment.
But hey, this is the same community that bashed Microsoft's interface, then subsequently ripped of the taskbar, start menu, integrated file/net browser, and so on. Sometimes I wonder if anybody has their heads on straight anymore.
The late 1999 golden child that Linux was in the media is over, people--now we're all wondering where the big jump in acceptance was supposed to have occurred. The hype is gone, and now it's all about RESULTS. It hasn't happened, and with the attitudes displayed here, it never will.