Once this software becomes part of a Linux distribution, the package dependencies will take care of those 60 libraries for you. At least that's the case with Debian, if Red Hat doesn't put this in their official distribution it might be a bit harder.
OK, I'll toss the first charcoal briquette to start a language flame-war, it's a slow day on Slashdot:-)
I'd also recommend that you try Ruby. I think you could consider it the next generation after Perl and Python. Very clean, O-O language with regular expressions and closures. I wrote in Python for a while, including Zope, and ended up switching to Ruby. I'm using the Debian Ruby packages from "unstable", which work excellently.
This is really nice to see, and an excellent decision. It's made my whole day. I just have one little nit I'd like to see them fix.
They are obviously concerned that people not use their data without proper attribution. But they are using the social contract without proper attribution:-) . I guess they didn't read this text at the end of the social contract:
Other organizations may derive from and build on this document. Please give credit to the Debian
project if you do.
So, DMOZ, please add attribution to Debian to the document. I wouldn't mind a credit for creating the original social contract, which I get in a note at the end of the Debian version, but I'll settle for Debian getting credit.
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I should have said "outside of the research lab". I think we didn't have them on VAX Unix or the Sun workstation in '84, and that's what Free Software ran on at the time. But RMS was at MIT and no doubt did have experience with Multics, so you have made your point.
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I'm not saying he doesn't have a platform, and I never would expect him to use neutral language. If he made us all look like Fruitcakes, he wouldn't get the invitations he gets. We both lectured at Cambridge (the one in England) a few months ago. Dinner in the great hall and everything.
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They would much rather have you assign copyright, but PD is a workable fallback strategy if you don't want to do that. They are assuming that the majority of the resulting work is not public-domain and thus they can still enforce the license.
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When the GPL was being written, nobody was using DLLs or object brokers and "linking" was much more straightforward than it is today. This must be better addressed in a future version of the GPL.
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MS is trying to paint FSF and the GPL as dangerous, and RMS responds with a sensible, calm, reasonable, and friendly document that is 100% positive information. Knowing Richard, this has to be an extremely frustrating time for him. There have been times when he hasn't been able to rise above the frustration as he has with this document. I'm very happy to see it.
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I didn't think it was only the print edition. But it is rarer to get one of these stories in the print edition, and many more "outsiders" read it, which is why I pointed it out.
Although I am sure there's a lot of SGI stuff in any animation studio, the interviews are all of HP Linux customers.
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This isn't just a ZDNet article. It's in the Wall Street Journal print edition.
The interviews were set up and pitched to the WSJ by HP's P.R. department. So, we do have professionals doing Linux P.R. I was interviewed, although I'm not mentioned.
Like Tim O'Reilly? He's about the best-known proponent of the BSD license, and he's on the list. Brian Behlendorf, and advocate of the BSD-clone Apache license, would have been on that list too, but it's been confirmed that he was out of town and off email during the entire discussion.
We are indeed in danger. Open source developers risk bankruptcy and asset forefiture or even jail due to recent abuses of intellectual property law like software patents and DMCA. This will only get worse at MS pushes its international agenda to strengthen software patents. If Franklin could have seen U.S. jails today, he might not have been so worried about just being hung.
"We appreciate the dialog on this issue--it's exactly the type of discussion Craig was hoping to foster," the company said in a statement.
What did you expect them to say? That was the proper P.R. move at this point. They were expecting us to be a lot more brash than we were.
By the way, I am brought in to talks with Fortune 100 corporations through my job, so those CIOs and CEOs are being reached - not that I agree with the assertion that they are the only important ones. IBM representatives are doing some of that CIO lobbying, as well, as are a number of the other evangelists. Maddog, ESR, and O'Reilly all make regular appearances in executive offices.
But this is not where the real battle lies. It is on the intellectual property law front that we will win or lose. P.R. efforts are important to that, but let's not let them distract us from the real goal.
Brian must be out of town or otherwise busy, because I got no answer from him. I didn't ask Jeremy or Tridge, just as I didn't ask most of the Linux distributions. Next time, it has been suggested that I just make a web form for public sign-up so that nobody at all is overlooked. You can all be on the list.
I did not contact BSD folks, Debian folks, KDE folks, and no doubt some other people who would have been included if this was an exhaustive list. Mea culpa. 10 people was enough to manage, especially 10 as forceful and opinionated as them. However, those 10 would defend BSD, KDE, Debian, etc., too. This was not intended to be a slight on any project. The people with the most name-recognition were the ones involved. I have already been told to include Mattias Ettrich or someone like him next time, and I shall.
Guido has been working with FSF to fix the license incompatibility. Apparently it wasn't an easy or comfortable process, but I think it's done. Unfortunately, the fact that the license got messed up in the first place is mostly Guido's own fault, he didn't do his legal homework with CNRI. OK, I've made worse mistakes.
Well, I thought there was some virtue to getting news first-hand, "from the horse's mouth", rather than second-hand, from some other part of the horse:-)
I submitted this a few minutes after I published the document. I got rejected. EconomyGuy's later submission was accepted. I guess it's not real until someone else notices it:-)
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I'd also recommend that you try Ruby. I think you could consider it the next generation after Perl and Python. Very clean, O-O language with regular expressions and closures. I wrote in Python for a while, including Zope, and ended up switching to Ruby. I'm using the Debian Ruby packages from "unstable", which work excellently.
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Yup. I blew it. I just looked for the credit at the end where everyone else puts it. Oops.
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So, DMOZ, please add attribution to Debian to the document. I wouldn't mind a credit for creating the original social contract, which I get in a note at the end of the Debian version, but I'll settle for Debian getting credit.But they are using the social contract without proper attribution
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The interviews were set up and pitched to the WSJ by HP's P.R. department. So, we do have professionals doing Linux P.R. I was interviewed, although I'm not mentioned.
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What did you expect them to say? That was the proper P.R. move at this point. They were expecting us to be a lot more brash than we were.
By the way, I am brought in to talks with Fortune 100 corporations through my job, so those CIOs and CEOs are being reached - not that I agree with the assertion that they are the only important ones. IBM representatives are doing some of that CIO lobbying, as well, as are a number of the other evangelists. Maddog, ESR, and O'Reilly all make regular appearances in executive offices.
But this is not where the real battle lies. It is on the intellectual property law front that we will win or lose. P.R. efforts are important to that, but let's not let them distract us from the real goal.
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