You lying piece of shit - I've just compiled the fucking results and run them right now. There are two other people who have posted similar results - are they lying too?
Fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in on you mother fucking slashbot moron. I've been coding in C for two fucking decades and I'm not about to take shit from know-nothing newbies like you.
You're either lying like hell, or something is severly fucked up with your system. I happen to have both Netbeans (jdk1.5) and MSVC (M$VC 6) open at the moment so I popped in your code. - actually here is the exact code i used:
Java:
long end,start = System.currentTimeMillis();
double t = 0, lp, ilp; for (lp = 0; lp = 0; ilp --)
t ++;
end = System.currentTimeMillis(); System.out.printf("Execution time %f", (end-start)/1000.0f);
C++
long end,start = GetTickCount();
double t = 0, lp, ilp; for (lp = 0; lp = 0; ilp --)
t ++;
end = GetTickCount(); printf("Execution time %f", (end-start)/1000.0f);
Results:
C++ (no optimisation) 97.57 sec C++ (maximise speed) 25.37 sec Java (no settings at all) 21.41 sec
The fact that no-one in America can see why this is a problem echoes the fact that no-one in America understands why people are willing to kill themselves to harm America.
Oh... that's right, it's all becuase the rest of the world "hates freedom".
Yeah, right. I don't know why I waste my breath on you lot. Crawl back into your own navels, you're obviously comfortable there.
Hmm... A whole bunch of slashbot Americans were telling me that we couldn't give the DNS root servers to the UN because they're all corrupt and don't represent the will of the people.
"The United Nations is mostly a cheesy assortment of corrupt blowhards jockeying for and exercising undeserved powers for their own petty national and personal interests. Not to mention that many members don't come anywhere close to being "democracies" in any sense of the word. The very thought of turning over control of the root of the Internet to the U.N. is misguided and absurd on its face."
Well, how can one argue against such well reasoned and fact-filled post.
Ignore the rest of the world, our opinion is all irrellevant after all. Good thing American politics isn't filled with people jockeying for power and personal interest. Must be because American politics is god-given and the rest of the world must just be the devil's own.
I must keep reminding myself that I have met Americans I liked.
Yeah, I did play a bit with different GC'rs and startup parameters. To be honest, I'm not convinced it's Java's fault - I really didn't analyse the problem all that carefully. The thing is, for this game I'm deliberately trying to make the potential audience as wide as possible (hence not using 3d accelleration, which I'd usually do) and I just thought not using Java might just be simpler in that instance. As I was kinda 50/50 about how I was going to implement the game, this issue just tipped me in another direction. I might well use Java for other future projects (I *am* using Java for my map editor;o) )
Also, it was a fairly bleeding edge version of Java and I didn't experiment much, so I can't claim this is definitively a Java issue. Probably my crap coding =)
I've coded up a lot of mini games in Java and C++. What I've found is that Java/OpenGL performance is pretty much exactly the same as C++/OpenGL.
I'm currently working on a 2d game - I've compared C++/SDL versus Java and found that performance is identical although in this case I'm going with C++/SDL because I found that the Java version suffered from some JIT stuttering at the start which I couldn't get rid of.
I've never had that stuttering problem in 3d, so either I fucked up with the code, or perhaps the fact that the 3d games offload rendering meant that it wasn't a noticible effect in that context.
At any rate, my conclusion is that Java performance is fine in raw throughput, but sometimes you can have issues with smoothness. My other conclusion would be that people who think Java is slow are talking crap. I code C++ and Java and my choosing between them is an issue of how I want to distribute code rather than a performance issue.
There are plenty of fuckwits and general losers in the US who have the right to vote. Will you throw away democracy in the US because some bad people can vote?
No.
The whole point of democracy is to do the will of the majority and the UN does manage to survey the will of the majority of the planet. That's a mighty important voice to just dismiss.
Personally, I'd say if the US wants to diffuse terrorism, it would do well to dispell the image of itself as unilateral bully thumbing its nose at world opinion.
You can't just ignore the majority view of the whole world because of one or two bad apples.
It is YOU who are ignorant of history my friend. The VAST majority of German casualties were caused by the Russians. The VAST majority of all the blood shed in WW2 was shed by the Russians. These are matters of fact.
The Western front was a mopping up operation after the war was effectively already won.
Yes, there are legitimate grievances against the US. But much or what is perceived as US arrogance is merely the US attempting to retain it's own constitutional structure. A large portion of the world wants the US to tear up our constitution and remake ourselves in the image of the EU. And we aren't interested, now or ever.
Umm... bullshit
The rest of the world (I'm antipodean, not European, by the way), doesn't give a flying fuck about your consistutional structure. You could be a bunch of tree hugging hippies for all we care. What we do get pissed off about is US unilateral action that pisses all over international democracy (and that is what the UN is about no matter how much the UN / EU haters like to spin it)
We don't care how you run your lives internally, it's the US effect on the rest of the world that the rest of the world cares about.
Your original post is the kind of solipsistic crap of the order of Dubyah's "terrorists hate us because they hate freedom". Fucking bullshit. Crawl out of your own navel sometime.
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I got faster results from Jdk1.5 on windows (21.4) versus Visual C++ v6 (maximise speed) (25.317)
Even including the JVM start up speed, java was faster.
WTF is up with modding the parent as "Flamebait"?
It's benchmark numbers.
How can actual timings be Flamebait? I've run the tests on windows and gotten similar results.
Moderators using mod points to avoid FACTS they don't like should not have mod points. That's just abusing the system.
There have now been three replies to your benchmark showing that it runs faster in java than c++.
YOU are the Zealot newbie.
At least three people have replied to your original post showing that when they run the test Java is faster.
You going to conclude that you've proved Java faster now?
WTF????
You lying piece of shit - I've just compiled the fucking results and run them right now. There are two other people who have posted similar results - are they lying too?
Fuck you and fuck the horse you rode in on you mother fucking slashbot moron. I've been coding in C for two fucking decades and I'm not about to take shit from know-nothing newbies like you.
Java:
C++
Results:
C++ (no optimisation) 97.57 sec
C++ (maximise speed) 25.37 sec
Java (no settings at all) 21.41 sec
Your post is utter FUD
Congratulations to the moderators using mod points to extinguish alternate opinion. Score a point for American fascism.
It's clear that, like most Americans, you have no idea what hypocracy is.
The fact that no-one in America can see why this is a problem echoes the fact that no-one in America understands why people are willing to kill themselves to harm America.
Oh... that's right, it's all becuase the rest of the world "hates freedom".
Yeah, right. I don't know why I waste my breath on you lot. Crawl back into your own navels, you're obviously comfortable there.
Hmm... A whole bunch of slashbot Americans were telling me that we couldn't give the DNS root servers to the UN because they're all corrupt and don't represent the will of the people.
This is the problem with the US - rank hypocracy.
There are no commercial interests behind Bush's election?
You get a fucking life, hypocrite.
Coming from someone with George Bush as it's head of state, I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt.
"The United Nations is mostly a cheesy assortment of corrupt blowhards jockeying for and exercising undeserved powers for their own petty national and personal interests. Not to mention that many members don't come anywhere close to being "democracies" in any sense of the word. The very thought of turning over control of the root of the Internet to the U.N. is misguided and absurd on its face."
Well, how can one argue against such well reasoned and fact-filled post.
Ignore the rest of the world, our opinion is all irrellevant after all. Good thing American politics isn't filled with people jockeying for power and personal interest. Must be because American politics is god-given and the rest of the world must just be the devil's own.
I must keep reminding myself that I have met Americans I liked.
Yeah, I did play a bit with different GC'rs and startup parameters. To be honest, I'm not convinced it's Java's fault - I really didn't analyse the problem all that carefully. The thing is, for this game I'm deliberately trying to make the potential audience as wide as possible (hence not using 3d accelleration, which I'd usually do) and I just thought not using Java might just be simpler in that instance. As I was kinda 50/50 about how I was going to implement the game, this issue just tipped me in another direction. I might well use Java for other future projects (I *am* using Java for my map editor ;o) )
Also, it was a fairly bleeding edge version of Java and I didn't experiment much, so I can't claim this is definitively a Java issue. Probably my crap coding =)
I've coded up a lot of mini games in Java and C++. What I've found is that Java/OpenGL performance is pretty much exactly the same as C++/OpenGL.
I'm currently working on a 2d game - I've compared C++/SDL versus Java and found that performance is identical although in this case I'm going with C++/SDL because I found that the Java version suffered from some JIT stuttering at the start which I couldn't get rid of.
I've never had that stuttering problem in 3d, so either I fucked up with the code, or perhaps the fact that the 3d games offload rendering meant that it wasn't a noticible effect in that context.
At any rate, my conclusion is that Java performance is fine in raw throughput, but sometimes you can have issues with smoothness. My other conclusion would be that people who think Java is slow are talking crap. I code C++ and Java and my choosing between them is an issue of how I want to distribute code rather than a performance issue.
Yeah, you Americans are right - that democracy thing was getting old, anyway.
Go to know that no big money interests are involved in American politics, at least.
Last I checked, Kofi Annan's kid wasn't running the UN and last I checked, the rest of the world was quite happy with the job Annan is doing.
"Accountability" should apply to how Kofi Annan does his own job, he's not morally responsible for anyone else.
There are plenty of fuckwits and general losers in the US who have the right to vote. Will you throw away democracy in the US because some bad people can vote?
No.
The whole point of democracy is to do the will of the majority and the UN does manage to survey the will of the majority of the planet. That's a mighty important voice to just dismiss.
Personally, I'd say if the US wants to diffuse terrorism, it would do well to dispell the image of itself as unilateral bully thumbing its nose at world opinion.
You can't just ignore the majority view of the whole world because of one or two bad apples.
WTF???
I comment that Bungie are "programmers and artists" and I get labelled a troll?
What's with that??
God damn! A sane post on the subject from the US of A. Well done, that man! =)
The Chinese invented explosives. I expect the world militaries to hand their arms over to China at the soonest possible convienience.
To back that up (for the US nay-sayers):
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93% of the losses of the German Armed Forces were on the Eastern Front.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3777161.s
The western front was a mopping up operation only.
It is YOU who are ignorant of history my friend. The VAST majority of German casualties were caused by the Russians. The VAST majority of all the blood shed in WW2 was shed by the Russians. These are matters of fact.
The Western front was a mopping up operation after the war was effectively already won.
Umm... bullshit
The rest of the world (I'm antipodean, not European, by the way), doesn't give a flying fuck about your consistutional structure. You could be a bunch of tree hugging hippies for all we care. What we do get pissed off about is US unilateral action that pisses all over international democracy (and that is what the UN is about no matter how much the UN / EU haters like to spin it)
We don't care how you run your lives internally, it's the US effect on the rest of the world that the rest of the world cares about.
Your original post is the kind of solipsistic crap of the order of Dubyah's "terrorists hate us because they hate freedom". Fucking bullshit. Crawl out of your own navel sometime.
The resolution that the US acted on, 1441, did not authorise military force.