no offense, but you arent going to get anywhere with Professionals && Endconsumers = 0
because it will always evaluate to false because of the single "="... you probably meant...
Professionals && Endconsumers == 0
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So what if they put it together? A librarian could have done the same. They didn't write the thing, they just put separate pieces together in a book. Oooh, big deal.
ever heard of "Apocryphal" texts? Such as the Gospel according to St. James? Complete with Jesus turning mud sculptures into doves like a cheap magician, and a burly Midwife cheking the virgin mary if her hymen was truly intact. I think the quote she says before checking her was "Prepare thyself woman?"
What, never heard of it? Oh - thats because the Catholic church read it, and decided that it was not divinely inspired, and should not be included in the "official" gospel. That isnt exactly librarian type stuff.
So, it is a pretty big deal, because if you had to read ALL the works that were related to Jesus and his time period, you might come out confused, and would have to learn to sift through all the crap.
I have no idea why I'm still feeding this troll... slow day at work, i guess....
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please provide the following two things in order to refute my argument:
1)The ISBN, Library of Congress Number, link to, dewey decimal number, whatever identifying number, to the book "The Myth of the Native Americans" and
2) A needle that will allow a camel to pass through it.
Production of these two things will provide a factual basis to your argument. As it stands now, your argument seems completely fabricated.
so i checked Amazon for the book "The Myth of Native American's" and there were no references to books that remotely fit the description that you gave. if you could please point me in a direction that i could locate this tome, I may give your arguments a little credibility.
and i distictly remember the bible metioning that "it is easier to pass a a camel through the eye of a needle than it is to get a rich man into heaven".
I dont know why you think that catholicism isnt christian, but by your actions and attitudes, maybe you should be asking if YOUR the one who is truly Christian, and not blindly discriminate based on a religion that you dont understand.
... The peoples that you call "Native Americans" were nothing more than a few groups of peasents that fled during the early settlement of America and attempted to wipe out the other settlers. There was no vast conspiracy, merely a retaliation on behalf of our forefathers.
Oh... come on now... this is so clearly a troll... There is absolutely no basis to support this claim... Which peasants fled? from whom? why? what smelly hole did you crawl out of...
You also said that the country was built on the "christian priciple" that hard work is its own reward... sigh... first of all, its called the "protestant work ethic".
Its not a christian principle. Its protestant apologetics that allows for individuals to gain wealth, and still feel like they are going to heaven. It was an excuse... Its also a large reason that lutheranism and protestantism caught on as quickly as they did. They allowed people to accumulate wealth without the guilt that the catholic church placed on them. And yes, I realize that the catholic church is ridiculously wealthy, and abused their position causing the reformation.
Ah yes, you don't like what I'm saying... it *must* be a troll because otherwise your belief systems might have to be justified!
Given the circumstances surrounding the trial, an appeal will almost certainly be heard. Kaplan was clearly biased, and was hostile towards the defense.
He probably should have rescued himself before the trial started, because this left a huge case of conflict of interest. His personal opinions of Mr. Garbus destroyed any chance at a fair trial.
SO yes, the MPAA won this round... But there will be multiple appeals. Probably all the way to the supreme court. Given the court's recent history in copyright/tradesecret cases, it wouldnt surprise me if 2600 wins at this point. It may have to go all the way to the Supreme court before they win, though.
Actually, in my experience, I found that the two small/Private (Catholic/Jesuit) universities, University of Scranton and Allentown College (soon to be St. Francis University) were far less money-hungry and corporately influenced than the big, state school, Penn State (though there is actually an argument that its not really a state-university).
The private universities charged a whole lot more, but they also provided much, much more.
The private schools encouraged individuality, focused on exploration, hell, they wanted you to try everything in a safe environment. And they didnt try to push you into a mold. Plus... Once you paid your bill, just about everything on campus was included.
Penn State was horrendous. THey tried to take advantage of their students at every chance they could. IT was extremely repressive, and individual thought was discouraged. HEll, thinking was discouraged.
And the corporate presence was enormous. Lets put it this way - the only beverages allowed to be sold on campus HAD TO BE PEPSI PRODUCTS. Wanted a coke? Sorry.
Anyway... It seems to me that the better undergraduate education comes from the smaller schools, who arent big enough tot attract the money of corporate america.
most of these pieces of software should have had their copyright run out. However, the (Sonny) Bono/Disney amendment to copyright law made copyrights expire 100 years after the author's death. THis practically made coporate-owned copyrights immortal.
Since this is a bad law, we as moral people, have an obligation to not only disagree with it, but also to not follow it. Civil Disobedience, if you will.
The video games from 20 years ago should be in the public domain by now. The only theft, is by the corporations who are robbing the public out of public-domained knowledge/works of art.
The immortal copyrights need to be amended to something reasonable, like 17-20 years. If not less, considerring the speed of internet development.
the problem is that philadelphia created a protesting "pen" and incredibly restrictive rules about its use so much as to place an undue prior restraint on free speech.
as a matter of fact, the ACLU took philly to court about this and won.
ANd the reason that the protests were ignored? Not because there was no clear goals, but more for the reason that no one wants to expose the real problems out there that are being swept under the table.
Think about it. How many/major/ protests have we had in the last couple months? We had Seattle, Washington, and now philly. Soon there will be similar protests in California at the Democrat's convention.
To quote a 60's song: There's something happening here, but what it is ain't exactly clear.
the problem is that ALL the CD's are one price. This is called "collusion", and is illegal under the Anti-Trust laws.
It could also be considerred "price fixing".
It is about time that legal action be brought against the RIAA. They have been using monopoly-powered mafia-like tactics to hold onto their control of the industry. Simple fact of the matter is, that these record companies control just about every aspect of the music business, and competition is nil. Look at Britney, N*Sync, Backstree Boys, etc. A free market would have never allowed these performers to sell, let alone be sensations.
I would really like to see the MPAA sued for "bundling" their DVD players with their DVD's. That is, in order to play a DVD, you MUST use one of the players that are officially sanctioned by the MPAA. It always struck me a bit like the old railroad (J.P. Morgan?) thing where you had to use THEIR railcars if you wanted to use THEIR tracks. The forced youi to buy multiple product, because they controlled the monopoly. Exactly the same thing that MS has been pulled into court for.
So if its good enough to pull MS in on, why cant they go after teh MPAA?
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The funny thing is, is that the way Govt. works is that the project is specified to excruciating detail. They dont let anything to chance, let alone let anything up to creative solutions.
They can probably core dump about 12398412 pages of info on teh american people that would descibe how this thing works tomorrow.
Of course, 98% of it would be redacted... THe redacted specs would read something like:
"the carnivore system will monitor the internet for criminals by...[next 12398411 pages redacted]... and provide for national security whilst also stopping terrorists, drug dealers, and kiddy porn, all while providing for the law abiding citizens privacy.
Canrt wait untli the congresscritters decide that everyone needs to have an email adress in order to do stuff like - file taxes, collect social security... that kind of stuff...
Maybe this could be used for legal-binding type of stuff... Positive ID for everyone... binding like signatures... No more anonymity...
First of all, "property" was changed to "pursuit of happiness" because it was realized that it was impossible to gurantee "property", i.e. physical things to everyone. It had nothing to do with expanding the definition, and everything to do with expressing a concept that was attainable.
Theft and Stealing are based on the premise that you take someone elses property and in doing so, deny them the ability to use their property. There is NO denying of property use in napster. Therefore, it is NOT stealing. Saying someone commited murder, even though their victim is alive and well in the courtroom is like equating Napster to "stealing". It doesnt fit the definition.
Economically, the music industry is trying to create a scarcity of a good (music) in an environment where there is really no scarcity, and making incredibly high, abusive profits from it. If you want another example of an industry creating a false Scarcity, look at DeBeers and the whole diamond industry.
I dont understand how people can rationalize this with statements like "its the law, and the law must be followed" and "if you dont like their product, dont buy it - thats your right". It is also my right to hear and enjoy music of MY choice, not one of a companies.
Do not underestimate the impact of this case and fight on free speech and free press. This is banning mass distribution of media (communication) because some of it, even if a large portion of it has questionable legality. Its a horrible precedent, and far reaching.
Imagine if you could only print newspapers or flyers at corporate owned presses? Well, consider music distribution the same thing, and you quickly realize that we are talking about serious violations of freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
well... you can get ahold of the passwd and shadow file, and run unshadow... so the MD5 shadowing isnt a big deal... You just need to get ahold of both files.
40-50 characters? man... you really take yer passwords seriously...
let me guess, you use different passwords for every system?
This is besides the fact that Windows passwords are still relatively easy to decrypt, while UN*X passwords have never been considered decipherable, as the system matches encrypted password instead of decoded passwords.
well... if you can get a hold of the/etc/passwd file (shadow file, if needed) most of the passwords will be yours in relatively short order.
Repeat after me - if someone has access to your encrypted password file, you are already screwed. Implementing insane password policies can help this, but the encryption will only slow down a crack, not make it impossible.
Its similar in NT land, too... If you can get at the password hash, you/will/ be able to get every password... Its just a matter of time.
Lesson? Make an insane password policy - at least 8 characters, incude mix-case, numbers and symbols. Use shadow passwords. Have a backup root account.
All SCO brings to the table is their name and trust relationship with suits. Some places absolutely will not run Linux on their x86 boxes, and instead insist on using SCO, despite their insane pricing scheme, and shaky stability.
SO what caldera gets here is the ability to sell to more "conservative" companies... you know, the ones that actually believe that they need to be able to sue a company with a REAL OS, like SCO...
these things are really really really difficult to find... I mean... how many of your QA people will sit around and write low-level code to include in every possible field to test for buffer overflows...
I dont know of any where i work that are capable of even thinking about that... granted MS may have the best minds for it, but really, truthfully...
BUFFER OVERFLOW EXPLOITS HAPPEN...
now... they should have fixed it sooner... hell... they had it since JUNE 8th...
the first two versions of MS stuff is notoriously bad, bad, bad... so i think that I'll wait for the third version before judging...
anyway... Its about time that someone/anyone/ moved away from the WIMP type interface. Right now, the only/reasonable/ input devices are the keyboard and mouse-like pointing thingees. This hasnt changed since the mid 70's.
Allowing the user to have more ways of communicating with the computer will eventually make it easier for users to do work on the computer.
Right now, input must explicitly be provided for the computer. i.e. You type a command, you click on a widget. If you curse out the stupid paper clip, the computer doesnt know anything. If you get a frown on your face every time Word mucks up your formatiing, and then you need to go to help, you have to do this explicitly.
But if the computer could tell that you were puzzled in word, maybe it could pre-emptively prepare help. That is, get it ready for you to use, and not necessarily pop up the help window saying - "You look like you dont know what the fsck is going on"
thats the key - keeping things behind the scenes. Like checking email when you look towards your mail program, or preparing a document to print when you start looking at the print button - but not doing it until you say so.
The computer needs to anticipate what you are going to do, but not distract you from your task at hand while its doing it - to paraphrase Alan Cooper - the computer can not stop the workflow with stupidity.
It sounds like a great improvement, but I still think that the user interface will not make improvements until we find a better way of obscuring the inner workings of the file system.
This trial is quickly turning into a kangaroo court, and it is only the fact that someone like Garbus is the lead attorney that may prevent this from becoming a VERY Bad Thing (tm).
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because it will always evaluate to false because
of the single "="
oh well... thats my useless contribution to this discussion
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ever heard of "Apocryphal" texts? Such as the Gospel according to St. James? Complete with Jesus turning mud sculptures into doves like a cheap magician, and a burly Midwife cheking the virgin mary if her hymen was truly intact. I think the quote she says before checking her was "Prepare thyself woman?"
What, never heard of it? Oh - thats because the Catholic church read it, and decided that it was not divinely inspired, and should not be included in the "official" gospel. That isnt exactly librarian type stuff.
So, it is a pretty big deal, because if you had to read ALL the works that were related to Jesus and his time period, you might come out confused, and would have to learn to sift through all the crap.
I have no idea why I'm still feeding this troll... slow day at work, i guess....
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please provide the following two things in order to refute my argument:
1)The ISBN, Library of Congress Number, link to, dewey decimal number, whatever identifying number, to the book "The Myth of the Native Americans" and
2) A needle that will allow a camel to pass through it.
Production of these two things will provide a factual basis to your argument. As it stands now, your argument seems completely fabricated.
thank you.
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so i checked Amazon for the book "The Myth of Native American's" and there were no references to books that remotely fit the description that you gave. if you could please point me in a direction that i could locate this tome, I may give your arguments a little credibility.
and i distictly remember the bible metioning that "it is easier to pass a a camel through the eye of a needle than it is to get a rich man into heaven".
I dont know why you think that catholicism isnt christian, but by your actions and attitudes, maybe you should be asking if YOUR the one who is truly Christian, and not blindly discriminate based on a religion that you dont understand.
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Oh... come on now... this is so clearly a troll... There is absolutely no basis to support this claim... Which peasants fled? from whom? why? what smelly hole did you crawl out of...
You also said that the country was built on the "christian priciple" that hard work is its own reward... sigh... first of all, its called the "protestant work ethic".
Its not a christian principle. Its protestant apologetics that allows for individuals to gain wealth, and still feel like they are going to heaven. It was an excuse... Its also a large reason that lutheranism and protestantism caught on as quickly as they did. They allowed people to accumulate wealth without the guilt that the catholic church placed on them. And yes, I realize that the catholic church is ridiculously wealthy, and abused their position causing the reformation.
Ah yes, you don't like what I'm saying... it *must* be a troll because otherwise your belief systems might have to be justified!
No, he's right... You're a troll.
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Given the circumstances surrounding the trial, an appeal will almost certainly be heard. Kaplan was clearly biased, and was hostile towards the defense.
He probably should have rescued himself before the trial started, because this left a huge case of conflict of interest. His personal opinions of Mr. Garbus destroyed any chance at a fair trial.
SO yes, the MPAA won this round... But there will be multiple appeals. Probably all the way to the supreme court. Given the court's recent history in copyright/tradesecret cases, it wouldnt surprise me if 2600 wins at this point. It may have to go all the way to the Supreme court before they win, though.
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The private universities charged a whole lot more, but they also provided much, much more.
The private schools encouraged individuality, focused on exploration, hell, they wanted you to try everything in a safe environment. And they didnt try to push you into a mold. Plus... Once you paid your bill, just about everything on campus was included.
Penn State was horrendous. THey tried to take advantage of their students at every chance they could. IT was extremely repressive, and individual thought was discouraged. HEll, thinking was discouraged.
And the corporate presence was enormous. Lets put it this way - the only beverages allowed to be sold on campus HAD TO BE PEPSI PRODUCTS. Wanted a coke? Sorry.
Anyway... It seems to me that the better undergraduate education comes from the smaller schools, who arent big enough tot attract the money of corporate america.
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most of these pieces of software should have had their copyright run out. However, the (Sonny) Bono/Disney amendment to copyright law made copyrights expire 100 years after the author's death. THis practically made coporate-owned copyrights immortal.
Since this is a bad law, we as moral people, have an obligation to not only disagree with it, but also to not follow it. Civil Disobedience, if you will.
The video games from 20 years ago should be in the public domain by now. The only theft, is by the corporations who are robbing the public out of public-domained knowledge/works of art.
The immortal copyrights need to be amended to something reasonable, like 17-20 years. If not less, considerring the speed of internet development.
Oh - and yes, I probably just fed a troll...
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the problem is that philadelphia created a protesting "pen" and incredibly restrictive rules about its use so much as to place an undue prior restraint on free speech.
as a matter of fact, the ACLU took philly to court about this and won.
ANd the reason that the protests were ignored? Not because there was no clear goals, but more for the reason that no one wants to expose the real problems out there that are being swept under the table.
Think about it. How many /major/ protests have we had in the last couple months? We had Seattle, Washington, and now philly. Soon there will be similar protests in California at the Democrat's convention.
To quote a 60's song: There's something happening here, but what it is ain't exactly clear.
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It could also be considerred "price fixing".
It is about time that legal action be brought against the RIAA. They have been using monopoly-powered mafia-like tactics to hold onto their control of the industry. Simple fact of the matter is, that these record companies control just about every aspect of the music business, and competition is nil. Look at Britney, N*Sync, Backstree Boys, etc. A free market would have never allowed these performers to sell, let alone be sensations.
I would really like to see the MPAA sued for "bundling" their DVD players with their DVD's. That is, in order to play a DVD, you MUST use one of the players that are officially sanctioned by the MPAA. It always struck me a bit like the old railroad (J.P. Morgan?) thing where you had to use THEIR railcars if you wanted to use THEIR tracks. The forced youi to buy multiple product, because they controlled the monopoly. Exactly the same thing that MS has been pulled into court for.
So if its good enough to pull MS in on, why cant they go after teh MPAA?
Next, the MPAA needs to
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or you can fsck it up REALLY badly... so the trick is to not be screwing around unless you REALLY, REALLY know what you're doing...
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Two important products came out of berkeley... LSD and BSD.... This is probably not a coincidence... Think of LSD as root for your mind.
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Yes, I know that the NSA may not exactly follow the ruls on this one, but ... you can dream, cant you?>
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They can probably core dump about 12398412 pages of info on teh american people that would descibe how this thing works tomorrow.
Of course, 98% of it would be redacted... THe redacted specs would read something like: ...[next 12398411 pages redacted] ... and provide for national security whilst also stopping terrorists, drug dealers, and kiddy porn, all while providing for the law abiding citizens privacy.
"the carnivore system will monitor the internet for criminals by
see... THe FBI has nothing to hide...
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methinks that the trolls have way too much time on their hands... this spewage looks almost exactly like something that a bot would spew...
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Seriously, there are some nice, somewhat legal ways of dealing with stress in the netherlands... from the redlight district to the cofee bars...
damnit, i'm jealous...
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Canrt wait untli the congresscritters decide that everyone needs to have an email adress in order to do stuff like - file taxes, collect social security... that kind of stuff...
Maybe this could be used for legal-binding type of stuff... Positive ID for everyone... binding like signatures... No more anonymity...
Oh yeh - look at those black helicopters...
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Theft and Stealing are based on the premise that you take someone elses property and in doing so, deny them the ability to use their property. There is NO denying of property use in napster. Therefore, it is NOT stealing. Saying someone commited murder, even though their victim is alive and well in the courtroom is like equating Napster to "stealing". It doesnt fit the definition.
Economically, the music industry is trying to create a scarcity of a good (music) in an environment where there is really no scarcity, and making incredibly high, abusive profits from it. If you want another example of an industry creating a false Scarcity, look at DeBeers and the whole diamond industry.
I dont understand how people can rationalize this with statements like "its the law, and the law must be followed" and "if you dont like their product, dont buy it - thats your right". It is also my right to hear and enjoy music of MY choice, not one of a companies.
Do not underestimate the impact of this case and fight on free speech and free press. This is banning mass distribution of media (communication) because some of it, even if a large portion of it has questionable legality. Its a horrible precedent, and far reaching.
Imagine if you could only print newspapers or flyers at corporate owned presses? Well, consider music distribution the same thing, and you quickly realize that we are talking about serious violations of freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
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while not completely whiz-bang, blender does a nice job of providing animation in the linux realm of things...
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40-50 characters? man... you really take yer passwords seriously...
let me guess, you use different passwords for every system?
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well... if you can get a hold of the /etc/passwd file (shadow file, if needed) most of the passwords will be yours in relatively short order.
Repeat after me - if someone has access to your encrypted password file, you are already screwed. Implementing insane password policies can help this, but the encryption will only slow down a crack, not make it impossible.
Its similar in NT land, too... If you can get at the password hash, you /will/ be able to get every password... Its just a matter of time.
Lesson? Make an insane password policy - at least 8 characters, incude mix-case, numbers and symbols. Use shadow passwords. Have a backup root account.
and be paranoid
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SO what caldera gets here is the ability to sell to more "conservative" companies... you know, the ones that actually believe that they need to be able to sue a company with a REAL OS, like SCO...
these things are really really really difficult to find... I mean... how many of your QA people will sit around and write low-level code to include in every possible field to test for buffer overflows...
I dont know of any where i work that are capable of even thinking about that... granted MS may have the best minds for it, but really, truthfully...
BUFFER OVERFLOW EXPLOITS HAPPEN...
now ... they should have fixed it sooner... hell... they had it since JUNE 8th...
anyway... Its about time that someone /anyone/ moved away from the WIMP type interface. Right now, the only /reasonable/ input devices are the keyboard and mouse-like pointing thingees. This hasnt changed since the mid 70's.
Allowing the user to have more ways of communicating with the computer will eventually make it easier for users to do work on the computer.
Right now, input must explicitly be provided for the computer. i.e. You type a command, you click on a widget. If you curse out the stupid paper clip, the computer doesnt know anything. If you get a frown on your face every time Word mucks up your formatiing, and then you need to go to help, you have to do this explicitly.
But if the computer could tell that you were puzzled in word, maybe it could pre-emptively prepare help. That is, get it ready for you to use, and not necessarily pop up the help window saying - "You look like you dont know what the fsck is going on"
thats the key - keeping things behind the scenes. Like checking email when you look towards your mail program, or preparing a document to print when you start looking at the print button - but not doing it until you say so.
The computer needs to anticipate what you are going to do, but not distract you from your task at hand while its doing it - to paraphrase Alan Cooper - the computer can not stop the workflow with stupidity.
It sounds like a great improvement, but I still think that the user interface will not make improvements until we find a better way of obscuring the inner workings of the file system.
This trial is quickly turning into a kangaroo court, and it is only the fact that someone like Garbus is the lead attorney that may prevent this from becoming a VERY Bad Thing (tm).