ths is going to be interesting... the burden of proof here is that the people being libelled must be able to prove that the statements were 2 things 1)false 2)damaged in a material way
historically, this has been really, really really difficult to do... I cant wait to see how they will...
its called "techno" - though this is not exclusive, as Punk, and Classical are also "Geek" favorites.
and its completely unacceptable to mainstream music interests. Theres no Depressing lyrics, no way to control the masses. Hell, most music that is put out is downright intelectually insulting.
We do create music... lots of it... but its music that you have to sit there and think about... sit there and really listen to. It isnt a quick 3 minute NSync piece of crap. Its music that was crafted with beautiful patterns that challenge the mind.
I have read a study correlating the two, but cant remember it at the time...
If you start working on electronic music real heavy, it resembles a very deep hack mode... TIme kindof warps, and all of a sudden it 4 in the morning, and you have to be at work in 4 hours:-)
The connection has to do with the mathematics behind both
well... I havent read any studies on it, but if you can get someone to spend time acquiring a skill in a way that they enjoy and challenges them, it should make sense that they will eventually learn how to do stuff on their own.
The classic games were an excercise in exploring the game creator's minds, and by doign that, you learned how to think like he did, liek a programmer...
get them hooked on computer games... all of them, but especially the classic brain-bending ones... Like Zork or Enchanter or any Infocom games, Ultima III,IV, etc. These games challenge young minds and make them want to further explore computers... Get them hooked on the games, and they will want to learn how to code. Alternatively, get them hooked on music, there is a strong correlation between good coders and music.
The answer is and unfortunate, yes, they do understand what the internet is capable of, and are scared stiff. Peer to Peer networking eliminates the need for an expensive physical distribution network. That means that no one has to go to the record companies/movie studios/publishing houses to have their artwork shared. Heck, they could have their thoughts shared, or their ideas and values... Instead of having them imposed from above. I mean, what if young teenage pop icons actually thought it was OK to have sex? Or that drugs may be not all that bad? or... maybe someone will promote a music that is truly positive and uplifting instead of depressing and debilitating... If Congress tries to do this, the law WILL be struck down in court, as a violation of : 1. Free Press 2. Free Speech Why first Freedom of the Press? Because everyone with a computer is NOW a publisher. If I publish a song/treatise/poem/whatever on my computer and allow for it to be "shared", then I am a publisher, and therefore I am the press. I now have the power to reach millions of people, just like the traditional media outlets. They are scared of losing the power that they now have. Like other truly world-changing events, no one can predict the changes that will come from this "new" invention of the internet. Look at the Printing Press - such as "A Modest Proposal", The Industrial Revolution, The Prevalence of the Automobile, Radio, Televison - no one, and I mean no one could predict the profound impact that these technologies have had on our society, and with every one of them, the current powers that were, were diluted, but not without a fight. The constitution does not just apply to big companies, established media outlets or big govt. It is truly meant to PROTECT us from them, because Alexander Hamilton knew that there are always groups that will erode these god-given and natural freedoms for their own cause, in the name of "protection" or "for the good of all"
THe cost to manufactur a cd is significantly less than it is to manufacture a tape, let alone a good old vinyl LP (mmm... I love vinyl).
THey use the same master recordings, so there isnt any increase in marginal cost, the cost to produce each additional unit.
so then the question becomes why on earth do CD's cost $4-6 more than they're cassette counterparts?
In the late 80's the records companies phased out vinyl in favor of cd's. Supposedly, there was a higher production cost for CD's at this time, and the recording industry being the nice guys that they are, they passed the increase onto us, and promised to lower CD prices once the production costs fell...
Well, production costs fell, but the CD prices didnt... go figure...
and as for lowering sales... well... the recording industry had an 8% increase last year... one of their best years ever. So there is no evidence that there was a negative effect from MP3's...
The Recording industry should learn from the software industry on this one...
A friend of mine's father is a VP at MickeySoft, and the unofficial stance at MS is that low-level non-commercial "pirating" i.e. you giving your friend a copy of Windows or whatever, actually is beneficial to MS in the long run.
As in - you're gonna end up buying SOMETHING from them eventually....
Now the large scale bootleg software that is SOLD... there is a problem with that...
that this may truly be a slashdot first like he said... its releveant, funny, Ontopic, not flamebait or a troll, yet incorporates Both Natalie Portman and Grits...
will the wonders never cease?
Now if someone could work in "JonKatz suckZzz" in a relevant manner, we will be complete:-)
agreed... seriousness is the realm of suits... not of hackers...
onto the variable naming conventions thing... if you wanted to be truly painful, we could go with MickeySofts' Hungarian Notation for a Portman constant such as:
just wondering, but you have Portman as a variable? Maybe Its a constant or a #define, but usually when I use constructs such as these, I use all caps...
Unless of course you think that the object of everyone's discussion will change from Portman, and then I would probably make it a const of GEEKDREAMGIRL so we can change it when need be...
and this is what happens when open source is done correctly... one person does something, and then is tweaked back and forth until the program is usable... incredibly powerful stuff...
now if you add in some natalie portman and grits, and flames and general whining, you could have the complete process...
also notice how these things subtract from the project, and not add...
while(UsingOpenSourceSoftware()) { if (BugFound()) { switch TypeOfUser { case "Programmer" FixBug();//note fall thru case "NonProgrammer" ReportBug(); break; case "Troll" || "Flamer" Complaint >>/dev/null;//yeh yeh... its not syntactically correct } else { ProvideFeedback(); } }
its amazing to me that if you offer a poor service, charge too much for it while making it drool-proof and market it well, that all of a sudden you have a huge business...
I mean, come on... there is 0 value added from an AOL subscription...
Its like Heinz Ketchup - it isnt real ketchup, it doesnt taste all that good, and all they're doing is pre-squeezing the tomatos...
mayhaps its time to bring back the days of good ole dial up BBSing? This way, noone can censor it except yourself, and we remove the strip mall BS of the net...
anybody got the telegard source sitting around still?
its that its "new" and the recording industry cant control it.
There are no more insanely high priced barriers to entry, so that means that the companies that have been the only ones that could afford to produce, and distribute music no longer are the only ones that can afford to publish music.
Now, the controlled distribution channels are beginning not to matter... You can slap a fairly professional track using a multitude of tools, put it on MP3, and then get the track out without investing any money in making physical copies.
That scares the heck out of the media industry, because it cuts them out of the loop, so they dont get any money.
DOnt believe for a second that this is about sales of existing works or "piracy" its about control. period.
I've got high hopes for GLAME... the internals are starting to to look good, and there is a lot of activity. Now we need some audio experts to come in and lend their knowledge to make this a great tool.
ANd a question - what soundcard would you use for processing with linux?
Why so low? Only half of the citizens that are eligible to vote are registerred. SO we're down to 50%. And less than half of those registerred vote. So we're at 25% now.
Winning a two-way race now makes it so the winner needs only 12.5% to win the election. ANd the real scary thing here, is that the 50% voter turnout is TOO HIGH of an estimate.
so there are enough "of us" to make a difference. How many people do you think that we can motivate to go and vote based on certain issues.
Enough to be noticed. And felt, and influence events.
we must stop being apathetic and start getting involved. It is possible for the system to work, we just need to take the controls. It wont even be that hard...
There has got to be a legal recourse to combat this companies dicatatorial actions... I dont know of any moral code where what they are doing would be considered "ethical"... Not even close...
Slashdot Mirror
heh... you'll probably never read this, but i was wearing a /. shirt there... mustve run into at least 5 /.'ers
it kindof strike me as similar to feudalism.
The big companies are the "Lords" and own everything, and we are the vassals required to pay them forever in return for using their property...
this way, there is no "ownership" and the companies will always have a revenue stream... keeping their duchys sustained...
here's what the deal is - we've got an acceptable platform for end users (windows), and a couple of acceptable server platforms (UNIX's, NT, etc)...
not that they're GREAT.. or the best... its just that they're "good enough", and noone wants to spend time reinventing the wheel...
They'd rather make a program to run on the wheel and make lots o'money without having to start from the ground up.
ths is going to be interesting... the burden of proof here is that the people being libelled must be able to prove that the statements were 2 things
1)false
2)damaged in a material way
historically, this has been really, really really difficult to do... I cant wait to see how they will...
Bow down to the god of music, the RIAA..
Whilst there, pray to the god of motion pictures the MPAA.
Microsoft is the god of personal computers, without which, there would be no "innovation"
AOL shall provide the communications medium for all.
Any of ye mortals that dare infringe on the rights of these immortals will feel the full force of the Legions of Lawyers(tm) at our dispsosal...
This includes, mp3.com, Napster, deCSS, and all technologies that may threaten us.
Without these various immortal beings, where would we be today?
have anice day
its called "techno" - though this is not exclusive, as Punk, and Classical are also "Geek" favorites.
and its completely unacceptable to mainstream music interests. Theres no Depressing lyrics, no way to control the masses. Hell, most music that is put out is downright intelectually insulting.
We do create music... lots of it... but its music that you have to sit there and think about... sit there and really listen to. It isnt a quick 3 minute NSync piece of crap. Its music that was crafted with beautiful patterns that challenge the mind.
Go find that in your next Bacstreet Boys album.
I have read a study correlating the two, but cant remember it at the time...
:-)
If you start working on electronic music real heavy, it resembles a very deep hack mode... TIme kindof warps, and all of a sudden it 4 in the morning, and you have to be at work in 4 hours
The connection has to do with the mathematics behind both
well ... I havent read any studies on it, but if you can get someone to spend time acquiring a skill in a way that they enjoy and challenges them, it should make sense that they will eventually learn how to do stuff on their own.
The classic games were an excercise in exploring the game creator's minds, and by doign that, you learned how to think like he did, liek a programmer...
Scary, aint it?
get them hooked on computer games... all of them, but especially the classic brain-bending ones... Like Zork or Enchanter or any Infocom games, Ultima III,IV, etc. These games challenge young minds and make them want to further explore computers... Get them hooked on the games, and they will want to learn how to code. Alternatively, get them hooked on music, there is a strong correlation between good coders and music.
The answer is and unfortunate, yes, they do understand what the internet is capable of, and are scared stiff. Peer to Peer networking eliminates the need for an expensive physical distribution network. That means that no one has to go to the record companies/movie studios/publishing houses to have their artwork shared. Heck, they could have their thoughts shared, or their ideas and values... Instead of having them imposed from above. I mean, what if young teenage pop icons actually thought it was OK to have sex? Or that drugs may be not all that bad? or... maybe someone will promote a music that is truly positive and uplifting instead of depressing and debilitating... If Congress tries to do this, the law WILL be struck down in court, as a violation of : 1. Free Press 2. Free Speech Why first Freedom of the Press? Because everyone with a computer is NOW a publisher. If I publish a song/treatise/poem/whatever on my computer and allow for it to be "shared", then I am a publisher, and therefore I am the press. I now have the power to reach millions of people, just like the traditional media outlets. They are scared of losing the power that they now have. Like other truly world-changing events, no one can predict the changes that will come from this "new" invention of the internet. Look at the Printing Press - such as "A Modest Proposal", The Industrial Revolution, The Prevalence of the Automobile, Radio, Televison - no one, and I mean no one could predict the profound impact that these technologies have had on our society, and with every one of them, the current powers that were, were diluted, but not without a fight. The constitution does not just apply to big companies, established media outlets or big govt. It is truly meant to PROTECT us from them, because Alexander Hamilton knew that there are always groups that will erode these god-given and natural freedoms for their own cause, in the name of "protection" or "for the good of all"
ok... i'll bite on this troll
THe cost to manufactur a cd is significantly less than it is to manufacture a tape, let alone a good old vinyl LP (mmm... I love vinyl).
THey use the same master recordings, so there isnt any increase in marginal cost, the cost to produce each additional unit.
so then the question becomes why on earth do CD's cost $4-6 more than they're cassette counterparts?
In the late 80's the records companies phased out vinyl in favor of cd's. Supposedly, there was a higher production cost for CD's at this time, and the recording industry being the nice guys that they are, they passed the increase onto us, and promised to lower CD prices once the production costs fell...
Well, production costs fell, but the CD prices didnt... go figure...
and as for lowering sales... well... the recording industry had an 8% increase last year... one of their best years ever. So there is no evidence that there was a negative effect from MP3's...
The Recording industry should learn from the software industry on this one...
A friend of mine's father is a VP at MickeySoft, and the unofficial stance at MS is that low-level non-commercial "pirating" i.e. you giving your friend a copy of Windows or whatever, actually is beneficial to MS in the long run.
As in - you're gonna end up buying SOMETHING from them eventually....
Now the large scale bootleg software that is SOLD... there is a problem with that...
i think that if someone were to read this thread, they may wonder what substances we've been smoking...
hmmm... maybe we should have an enum to specify what substance is being used at these thread levels...
like
enum SoberStatus {sober, alcohol, weed, crack, acid, shrooms}
sigh... i think that this IS the definition of digression
so at this point what i am wondering is...
can we implement an AI that mimics the trolls and flamewars and offtopic stuff on slashdot... we seem to have all of the objects ready...
what more do we need? someone managed to make a pancake function for us... hmmm...
oh yeh...
that this may truly be a slashdot first like he said... its releveant, funny, Ontopic, not flamebait or a troll, yet incorporates Both Natalie Portman and Grits...
:-)
will the wonders never cease?
Now if someone could work in "JonKatz suckZzz" in a relevant manner, we will be complete
agreed... seriousness is the realm of suits... not of hackers...
onto the variable naming conventions thing... if you wanted to be truly painful, we could go with MickeySofts' Hungarian Notation for a Portman constant such as:
const gconststrnakedhotwithgritsGEEKDREAMGIRL = "Portman"
of course, that might get too silly... nah...
btw, do moderators ever read this deep, because if they do, a couple of chuckles have to be going on out there....
oh and in case you think you got away:
just wondering, but you have Portman as a variable? Maybe Its a constant or a #define, but usually when I use constructs such as these, I use all caps...
Unless of course you think that the object of everyone's discussion will change from Portman, and then I would probably make it a const of GEEKDREAMGIRL so we can change it when need be...
and this is what happens when open source is done correctly... one person does something, and then is tweaked back and forth until the program is usable... incredibly powerful stuff...
now if you add in some natalie portman and grits, and flames and general whining, you could have the complete process...
also notice how these things subtract from the project, and not add...
//ok, the original was a tad simplified...
//note fall thru /dev/null; //yeh yeh... its not syntactically correct
while(UsingOpenSourceSoftware())
{
if (BugFound())
{
switch TypeOfUser
{
case "Programmer"
FixBug();
case "NonProgrammer"
ReportBug();
break;
case "Troll" || "Flamer"
Complaint >>
}
else
{
ProvideFeedback();
}
}
is that people are complaining, and not fixing...
try this logic
if(ProblemInCode(ProjectName))
FixCode();
else
UseCode();
Note that the function ComplainProfusely() is not in there...
if theres a problem, shut up and fix the damn thing...
its amazing to me that if you offer a poor service, charge too much for it while making it drool-proof and market it well, that all of a sudden you have a huge business...
I mean, come on... there is 0 value added from an AOL subscription...
Its like Heinz Ketchup - it isnt real ketchup, it doesnt taste all that good, and all they're doing is pre-squeezing the tomatos...
and making a huge profit...
oh well...
mayhaps its time to bring back the days of good ole dial up BBSing? This way, noone can censor it except yourself, and we remove the strip mall BS of the net...
anybody got the telegard source sitting around still?
its that its "new" and the recording industry cant control it.
There are no more insanely high priced barriers to entry, so that means that the companies that have been the only ones that could afford to produce, and distribute music no longer are the only ones that can afford to publish music.
Now, the controlled distribution channels are beginning not to matter... You can slap a fairly professional track using a multitude of tools, put it on MP3, and then get the track out without investing any money in making physical copies.
That scares the heck out of the media industry, because it cuts them out of the loop, so they dont get any money.
DOnt believe for a second that this is about sales of existing works or "piracy" its about control. period.
I've got high hopes for GLAME... the internals are starting to to look good, and there is a lot of activity. Now we need some audio experts to come in and lend their knowledge to make this a great tool.
ANd a question - what soundcard would you use for processing with linux?
Thats all you need to be elected president...
Actually, its lower than that.
Why so low? Only half of the citizens that are eligible to vote are registerred. SO we're down to 50%. And less than half of those registerred vote. So we're at 25% now.
Winning a two-way race now makes it so the winner needs only 12.5% to win the election. ANd the real scary thing here, is that the 50% voter turnout is TOO HIGH of an estimate.
so there are enough "of us" to make a difference. How many people do you think that we can motivate to go and vote based on certain issues.
Enough to be noticed. And felt, and influence events.
we must stop being apathetic and start getting involved. It is possible for the system to work, we just need to take the controls. It wont even be that hard...
Its all a matter of education.
There has got to be a legal recourse to combat this companies dicatatorial actions... I dont know of any moral code where what they are doing would be considered "ethical"... Not even close...
Grrr... this is soo damn frustrating...