But these would be copyrighted items. No change there. Just in the default license.
Here is the debate.
All works not carrying a copyright notice should be treated as copyright with a copyleft license and not as copyright with an all rights reserved license.
This is a win for everyone. Those who want it, can still get all rights reserved simply by attaching a notice to that effect. Those that don't still have their works copyrighted but under a copyleft plan. They still have some money earning potential from the all rights reserved side of things if others want to make use of the work not under a copyleft system. Everyone gets a whole lot of new material to use and reuse free of charge.
What honest, above board objections can anyone have to this proposal?
This could kill off the big portals who try to pull this stunt.
This could give a big advantage to a big portal who pulls this stunt but only asserts a copyleft instead of an all rights reserved.
This could give an even bigger advantage to those portals that don't try to pull this stunt at all.
Besides all of this, where is this hugh supply of public domain sound and video content that would make such a play worthwhile?
all the best,
drew --- http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123 "Tings" - try this "copyleft" type novel on for size Warning! Danger! - first draft and temporal black hole.
[Ultimately, my problem with this is that it reeks of the bullshit "harmonization" crap that's been going on in recent years.]
So, if we can find one country to make all works without a copyright notice, new and existing be treated as copyleft instead of all rights reserved, all the rest will have to do the same to harmonize? Which country would be most likely to listen to this idea?
"Proving that iPod users are either scrupulously honest or more paranoid they'll get sued by RIAA than owners of lesser music players."
Or just that is is easier to buy for the ipod than for other players perhaps. I wouldn't know. I am holding out on spending for a nice player until I find one that I like that can play ogg vorbis and flac files.
Indeed, everyone knows that no one in the world does volunteer work. In fact, everyone demands to be paid up front before lifting a finger to help someone else.
I know I get paid tons of money just for posting here on/.
If you would like to order my book "Outsider secrets on making a fortune posting on Slashdot" just post in my Journal right here and I will get back to you with instructions.
"If you do not agree to the GPL, you have not made any contractual agreement to be a licensee of the software. Without any license being agreed to, the software is protected by standard copyright law. Standard copyright law does not allow you to use the program, distribute it, or do anything else."
From the GPL:
"Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program (independent of having been made by running the Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does."
Admitedly, this is a bit of odd wording, but it seems to say that running the program is outside the scope of the license and is not restricted.
So, even if you agree to the GPL, it does not cover running the program according to its own claims. It covers copying, distributing, and modifying.
"That more and more open source programs make you agree to the GPL like it was some sort of EULA, baffles me. It isn't."
Hear! Hear!
And it isn't like people haven't been pointing this out for a while.
all the best,
drew --- http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123 "Tings" - A "copyleft" type novel. First draft. Includes the words to at least three new songs. (OK. At least 2.5 new songs.)
" Well, there are certain circumstances where it makes sense..."
There may be certain circumstances where it makes sense, but the example you give is not one.
Releasing your free program as Free Software does not preclude you from making money on it now or in the future.
For one example of where keeping the source closed while giving away the binaries "made sense" think of what MS did to netscape with the release of a free IE.
To come closer to your example, if you think you may want to go the non-Free, non-free per-copy sales and licensing route in the future, then releasing a Free Software version now, for sale or for free, may be creating a competitor for you then you pull the Free from the equation.
There are probably more who would argue that this is wrong, but I may be mistaken.
One simple change to the copyright law would throw in a big monkey wrench...
Make all works not carrying specific copyright notices behave as copyleft works instead of all rights reserved works.
So, fail to put on a copyright notice and you still get an automatic copyright on your work, but it will carry something like a Creative Commons BY-SA license.
This would give the big boys some pause and what grounds could they object on?
So, why is a person's house raided for a civil case?
Is it that it is potentially criminal, so they raid on the criminal angle, then it is easier to punish by the civil route so they sue on the civil angle?
although I think the definition that includes the protection of "intellectual property" is funny in connection with a free market as they are basically government granted monopolies.
drew ----- http://www.ourmedia.org/node/85937 Tings. A Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike Novel. Written for NaNoWriMo 2005, and for your enjoyment, and for your profit if you can make one. (Mine too if I can make one.)
"Not only are they selling something that they know people have the intent to modify..."
This is not quite accurate.
On my recommendation, I would say ten to twenty of these have been bought so far, perhaps more.
I recommend them because they can be hacked to run Linux. To date, to my knowledge, none have been.
Even mine, which I keep buying, which are specifically to play with, I have never yet gotten around to actually putting something else on.
I always end up having to loan it out (as currently) or sell it to a client because the local stores are out of stock and they need one asap, etc.
So, it is the potential to do something special if needed that has been selling them in my case. I wonder how much this is so in other cases.
Now, will this L model purposely make it easy to put something else on? That would be a welcome move on Linksys' part. And note, my customers will still be buying the L models if they follow my recommendations in case they need the added features in the future. (Depending on price points.)
Yes, well, I am talking about when I am calling and asking if someone I know personally by name is in. I am talking about a country where a company doing 5 million a year in sales is considered to be a medium size company.
Besides, even in your example, is it just to be accepted that they are brain dead companies and we must just take it with a smile and how dare we suggest things could be improved?
How is the person you call into supposed to know if the person you want to talk to is in?
You are from a big country? I am not. In most places, they would know, or they can check, or at least say they don't know and do I want their extension or do I want them to check or...
And nothing is stopping them from designing a system where they would know for the most part.
In my experience, systems get implememted for the company and not for the customers. When I find them, they can count on me not liking them.
Blindly responding to a question I did not ask is only frustrating to me.
If they cared, would their system go something like this?
To use our superfantastic automated system press one now. Otherwise, press two or stay one the line and someone will answer shortly.
And for those humans who get calls, listen to what is asked of you and respond to that, not what you want to respond to.
I hate it when I ask if X is in, only to be transferred to their extension which gets me to their voicemail which I then hang up on because I need to know if they are in.
"If an anonymous stranger asks to come into your house, and furthermore asks to bring several of his anonymous friends with him, and you *agree*, then it's your own damned fault if his lowlife friends plug up your toilet and run up your phone bill."
This is one of the problems with hundred page EULAs. No one that I can tell reads any of them. So, in all cases, when installing programs with EULAs, people are agreeing to things they are unaware of.
Does anyone know of individuals or firms with less than 20 employees where all EULAs are read and understood before software is installed? (Especially where the individual is not a lawyer of the firms does not have a lawyer on staff?)
Slashdot Mirror
nomic then.
But these would be copyrighted items. No change there. Just in the default license.
Here is the debate.
All works not carrying a copyright notice should be treated as copyright with a copyleft license and not as copyright with an all rights reserved license.
This is a win for everyone. Those who want it, can still get all rights reserved simply by attaching a notice to that effect. Those that don't still have their works copyrighted but under a copyleft plan. They still have some money earning potential from the all rights reserved side of things if others want to make use of the work not under a copyleft system. Everyone gets a whole lot of new material to use and reuse free of charge.
What honest, above board objections can anyone have to this proposal?
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
1. Write "Tings" - a "copyleft" novel.
2. ???
3. Profit.
Come on slashdot, help me out with 2.
Are you sure the dead stuff is PD? Do the videos show performances of copyrighted songs?
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
1. Tings
2. ???
3. Profit
This could kill off the big portals who try to pull this stunt.
This could give a big advantage to a big portal who pulls this stunt but only asserts a copyleft instead of an all rights reserved.
This could give an even bigger advantage to those portals that don't try to pull this stunt at all.
Besides all of this, where is this hugh supply of public domain sound and video content that would make such a play worthwhile?
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
"Tings" - try this "copyleft" type novel on for size
Warning! Danger! - first draft and temporal black hole.
[Ultimately, my problem with this is that it reeks of the bullshit "harmonization" crap that's been going on in recent years.]
So, if we can find one country to make all works without a copyright notice, new and existing be treated as copyleft instead of all rights reserved, all the rest will have to do the same to harmonize? Which country would be most likely to listen to this idea?
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Tings - speaking of copyleft
how about a novel
first draft but still
"Proving that iPod users are either scrupulously honest or more paranoid they'll get sued by RIAA than owners of lesser music players."
Or just that is is easier to buy for the ipod than for other players perhaps. I wouldn't know. I am holding out on spending for a nice player until I find one that I like that can play ogg vorbis and flac files.
Indeed, everyone knows that no one in the world does volunteer work. In fact, everyone demands to be paid up front before lifting a finger to help someone else.
/.
I know I get paid tons of money just for posting here on
If you would like to order my book "Outsider secrets on making a fortune posting on Slashdot" just post in my Journal right here and I will get back to you with instructions.
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Tings - something else I got paid bundles to write. ~;-)>
From your post:
"If you do not agree to the GPL, you have not made any contractual agreement to be a licensee of the software. Without any license being agreed to, the software is protected by standard copyright law. Standard copyright law does not allow you to use the program, distribute it, or do anything else."
From the GPL:
"Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, and the output from the Program is covered only if its contents constitute a work based on the Program (independent of having been made by running the Program). Whether that is true depends on what the Program does."
Admitedly, this is a bit of odd wording, but it seems to say that running the program is outside the scope of the license and is not restricted.
So, even if you agree to the GPL, it does not cover running the program according to its own claims. It covers copying, distributing, and modifying.
Would you care to comment on this thought?
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Tings - A CC BY-SA novel in first draft.
"That more and more open source programs make you agree to the GPL like it was some sort of EULA, baffles me. It isn't."
Hear! Hear!
And it isn't like people haven't been pointing this out for a while.
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
"Tings" - A "copyleft" type novel. First draft. Includes the words to at least three new songs. (OK. At least 2.5 new songs.)
Someone doesn't seem to know how to moderate or else has an agenda.
The parent to my post is plus 5. My post is on topic to the parent and yet get's an offtopic deduction. Something is not hanging together.
Now, I may be indeed offtopic wrt the article, but, if so, the parent would be too, or am I completely loony today?
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/85937
"Tings" a "copyleft" novel in daily doses.
Ah, but this is foolishness.
One of the big boys could buy a media company, copyleft all the media. (Buy all the rights needed from whomever to get this done.)
They could also run their own versions of star search, american idol, etc. and fund the creation of new, hit, copyleft music and more.
Revenue stream without DRM.
Aren't people always saying the electronics and computer industries are way bigger than the entertainment industry?
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Tings - a CC BY-SA (copyleft?) novel for your fun and profit.
" Well, there are certain circumstances where it makes sense..."
There may be certain circumstances where it makes sense, but the example you give is not one.
Releasing your free program as Free Software does not preclude you from making money on it now or in the future.
For one example of where keeping the source closed while giving away the binaries "made sense" think of what MS did to netscape with the release of a free IE.
To come closer to your example, if you think you may want to go the non-Free, non-free per-copy sales and licensing route in the future, then releasing a Free Software version now, for sale or for free, may be creating a competitor for you then you pull the Free from the equation.
There are probably more who would argue that this is wrong, but I may be mistaken.
[I hope that is clear, it is still early for me.]
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Tings - an Attribution-ShareAlike novel (sort of GPL for text)
1. Find someone's CC BY-SA novel.
2. Publish.
3. ???
4. Profit.
One simple change to the copyright law would throw in a big monkey wrench...
Make all works not carrying specific copyright notices behave as copyleft works instead of all rights reserved works.
So, fail to put on a copyright notice and you still get an automatic copyright on your work, but it will carry something like a Creative Commons BY-SA license.
This would give the big boys some pause and what grounds could they object on?
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Tings - A BY-SA Novel for your fun and profit.
1. Publish BY-SA Novel
2. ???
3. Profit!
[They've had a free ride so far, but if half their lawsuits target innocents, they're going to have their offices burned down by an angry mob.]
Will they be targeting innocents, or the wrong guilty party?
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
So, why is a person's house raided for a civil case?
Is it that it is potentially criminal, so they raid on the criminal angle, then it is easier to punish by the civil route so they sue on the civil angle?
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Tings - A CC BY-SA NaNoWriMo 2005 winning novel.
I am no expert in these areas, but it seems you are talking of "free markets" and not of "capitalism" - see:
A +capitalism&btnG=Search
A +free+market&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=define%3
and:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=define%3
although I think the definition that includes the protection of "intellectual property" is funny in connection with a free market as they are basically government granted monopolies.
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Tings - A CC BY-SA NaNoWriMo 2005 winning novel.
Fun.
???
Profit.
Can we get a better slashdot business plan for this please?
[ I'm sure it's stored in the same sites that has John Cage's 4'33"]
3 4250&threshold=4
For those not in the know, see:
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/30/2
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/85937
Tings. A Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike Novel.
Written for NaNoWriMo 2005, and for your enjoyment, and for your profit if you can make one. (Mine too if I can make one.)
"Not only are they selling something that they know people have the intent to modify..."
This is not quite accurate.
On my recommendation, I would say ten to twenty of these have been bought so far, perhaps more.
I recommend them because they can be hacked to run Linux. To date, to my knowledge, none have been.
Even mine, which I keep buying, which are specifically to play with, I have never yet gotten around to actually putting something else on.
I always end up having to loan it out (as currently) or sell it to a client because the local stores are out of stock and they need one asap, etc.
So, it is the potential to do something special if needed that has been selling them in my case. I wonder how much this is so in other cases.
Now, will this L model purposely make it easy to put something else on? That would be a welcome move on Linksys' part. And note, my customers will still be buying the L models if they follow my recommendations in case they need the added features in the future. (Depending on price points.)
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/85937
Tings - a CC BY-SA novel written for nanowrimo 2005
And for you gentle reader
Yes, well, I am talking about when I am calling and asking if someone I know personally by name is in. I am talking about a country where a company doing 5 million a year in sales is considered to be a medium size company.
Besides, even in your example, is it just to be accepted that they are brain dead companies and we must just take it with a smile and how dare we suggest things could be improved?
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/85937
How is the person you call into supposed to know if the person you want to talk to is in?
...
You are from a big country? I am not. In most places, they would know, or they can check, or at least say they don't know and do I want their extension or do I want them to check or
And nothing is stopping them from designing a system where they would know for the most part.
In my experience, systems get implememted for the company and not for the customers. When I find them, they can count on me not liking them.
Blindly responding to a question I did not ask is only frustrating to me.
all the best,
drew
If they cared, would their system go something like this?
To use our superfantastic automated system press one now. Otherwise, press two or stay one the line and someone will answer shortly.
And for those humans who get calls, listen to what is asked of you and respond to that, not what you want to respond to.
I hate it when I ask if X is in, only to be transferred to their extension which gets me to their voicemail which I then hang up on because I need to know if they are in.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/85937
Tings - a nanowrimo 2005 CC BY-SA novel in progress
"The software in the detector picks up uncontrollable tremors in the voice that give away liars or those with something to hide, say its designers."
Everyone has something to hide. Some are just too ignorant to realize it.
all the best,
drew
--
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/85937
Tings - my CC BY-SA licenses nanowrimo 2005 entry.
Perhaps you all in the US should kick around the concept of no taxation without representation a bit further. It might have legs.
all the best,
drew
---
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/85937
Tings - my nanowrimo 2005 novel under a BY-SA license
---
I see you disagree, but patent and copyrights are anti-free markets.
If the government gives someone a monopoly on a good, there is not a free market in that good any longer. Seems like a pretty simple concept.
Or do we hold that we can have a free market in, and a monopoly over, the same product at the same time?
all the best,
drew
"If an anonymous stranger asks to come into your house, and furthermore asks to bring several of his anonymous friends with him, and you *agree*, then it's your own damned fault if his lowlife friends plug up your toilet and run up your phone bill."
This is one of the problems with hundred page EULAs. No one that I can tell reads any of them. So, in all cases, when installing programs with EULAs, people are agreeing to things they are unaware of.
Does anyone know of individuals or firms with less than 20 employees where all EULAs are read and understood before software is installed? (Especially where the individual is not a lawyer of the firms does not have a lawyer on staff?)
all the best,
drew
--
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/57503
"Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?"
Dude, U meen thet sooper stealth m0de sprey we bought aint workin no mo?
all the best,
drew