You mean 15 BILLION light years in diameter. But you are forgetting, it expands in ALL directions, making it roughly 30 BILLION light years in CIRCUMFERENCE by that thinking...
It's vastly due to the fact that there are things on the moon that people in the know do NOT want you to know ABOUT. Don't care if you believe me, but you asked and therefore had to answer...
Those "vibrations" were unfelt by the astronauts. It was a "vibration" that was detectable only through some VERY sensitive devices. The same thing happens here on earth, but relative sizes make it much less noticealbe.
It seems your logic has been skewed by some force that I'm not familiar with.
You see, not only are there billions of stars in our own galaxy, there are billions of galaxies. We are now finding that planetary systems aren't nearly as rare as we used to think, and this notion is dwindling away at an accelerated pace. In ten years, we may find planetary systems VERY common. Neither you or I can argue either way, at this point.
Now take into account that the distances between MOST stars are extremely hard to comprehend. Our own nearest is over 1 light year away (discounting the sun : ). We would have to travel 186000 miles a SECOND for a YEAR to reach it.
NOW take into account that you seem to wield time like it's measurable on your watch. My god, comprehending just a few thousand years is difficult. You are talking about processes that take inconcievable amounts of TIME. To suggest that "sentient" (bad word in my opinion, should have used self actualized or something) could only have arisen after half the known universe's time is strange. Half the known universe's time would be 6 billion years old. We haven't even found human remains that date back 6 MILLION. So, to suggest that it took that long is silly. It may have taken only a million years, but this particularly YOUNG planet didn't have the potential until then. Who knows? You or I don't. You have to understand all the we DON'T understand, which is much more than what we think we do. That's all.
Also, to suggest that all other life-forms, sentient or not, would have to follow Earths path is even sillier. That would be like suggesting I know for a fact that other life forms would have two eyes, breathe oxygen, etc...when we have just recently found bacteria living in space, on comets, asteroids etc..and that our deep oceans are teeming with life under unbelievable pressures, where there is never any light, they feed off of minerals spewing from extremely hot fissures. We are finding life occuring in the most extreme places, floating in space, falling to earth... It is very easy for me to comprehend an intelligent life form developing MILLIONS of years prior to our own somewhere else in this extremely vast universe. To say otherwise would be admitting that you think you know what the universe offers by looking at our own, non-descript, medium sized planet in a section of our non-descrpit galaxy, one of billions, in the universe that would be the equivelent to an electron in a piece of substance making up a grain of sand on ONE of the Earths beaches, which would again, be plain silly.
I apologize, it's just that your thinking of the universe seems very squeezed and shrink wrapped, when it's (the known univers) in fact extremely vast, and even uncomprehendible by most people.
Uh, as far as I know, these movies are still shown from FILM, which has microscopic resolutions. What the resolution was when transferring to film, which is MUCH smaller than a monitor, is what would be interesting to know...
Then why would they be looking? To just denounce their findings? That would be like SETI finding a curious repeating signal, and just saying "It can't be" and discarding. That would be stupid to say the least...
Because, intelligent life uses discovery to evolve it's intelligence. This drives intelligent beings to pursue further into the unknown, and what is more vast than the universe?
How do you know that we aren't being visited? Because YOU haven't experienced anything yourself. What if they don't WANT to be noticed.
Given the fact that the Earth is relatively very young in the Universe, and even we are on the verge of faster than light travel through gravity warping, to say that no other intelligent life has also followed that path of discovery and conquered these problems eons ago, is well, silly at best.
We live in a universe where the size is very hard to comprehend. We live on a non-descript planet in a non-descript solar system in a non-descript galaxy filled with billions of stars, in a universe filled with billions of galaxies, where our closest star is over 1 light year away.
We are finding life building carbon rings in empty space, protiens and bacteria on asteroids, a new solar system is found almost weekly now...so to say we are alone in this vast universe, when you know the full scope, is just plain silly in my view. I mean, how egomaniacal are we to think this?
First we were the center of the universe, then we were the center of the solar system, then we find that not only are we STILL fighting our own ego's, but that it is still prevelant. Open your mind man. We are NOT alone, don't want to go into details, but we are definitely NOT alone, and haven't been for a very long time. The fact that this notion is perfectly in the realm of being possible should be enough for you to not say that we ARE alone, unless you know something that no one else is privy to, which you are not, of course.
Thanks.
It would be the fact that it isn't like anything else out there. Patterns that wouldn't be seen unless intelligently produced. They may not be able to plug in a "TV" (they may not even know what one is), but if they were "looking" as we are, they would be looking for exactly what we are. Patterns that could not originate elswhere in nature.
That's how they differentiate.
So.......what do you think of the artice HERE.
But, since you started it. We recieved 8 Ti's for our agency, and we have had nothing but rave reviews on all of them. I tell you what, our clients couldn't be more impressed when you preview a piece on one of these things.
I just took one to Denver and watched a movie on the plane. I couldn't finish it due to peoples questions about the thing. I even got a "What's Apple?"
Awesome.
That MAY be true if the reason for finding and imaging planets were to find
extreterrestrial life, but it's not. That would just be the cherry on the cake.
It is to get a better understanding of how our own planet came into existence,
to learn more about how the universe is comprised, etc...you know, REAL science.
Are you saying that finding other solar systems beyond our own isn't important?
Sedondly, to say that a magical mythical god created life, when science has
proven that we evolved,
would be a tragedy. To stop all learning because God and the bible provide all
answers would be a blow to discovery, BIG TIME. The Bible is a Christian book,
what about all the other religions? Religion is required by the fact that every
human being longs for the answers to questions of, "Where did we come from?",
"Where are we going?", and "Why am I here?". Religion (whichever one you have
been TOLD to choose by your social surroundings) answers all these questions
nicely, and for that purpose.
What would happen if we suddenly were to realize, that we are NOT alone in
this vast universe. A universe that is so vast, that most humans can't comprehend
the size and distances involved. What would happen to your religious beliefs?
To find out that we are not only NOT alone, but that we are relatively young
in the universal intelligence pool. What then?
We live an a non-descript planet in the middle of a non-descript solar system
in the middle of billions of stars that make up our Milky Way galaxy, one of
billions of galaxies...and you're going to tell me that we are it?!?! Shame
on you for your egocentric ideals. To project the hint that you KNOW that we
are alone. Are you the ALMIGHTY god?! I think not, and no, you DONT know if
we are alone, you couldn't possibly know, so why do you say these things???
We are finding the building blocks of life
in deep "empty" space! So to say, that in trillions of tries, where live giving
particles are found in all areas of space, just happened to evolve on OUR planet
for no apparent reason (sarcastic), would be silly. To say that in the 20 billions
years (our guess as of today as to the age of our universe) that our universe
has been evolving, that Earth was the only place that life arose would also
be rather simple minded. By the numbers alone, as stated by the Drake
equation, to say that we are alone goes against the odds.
Lastly, just because Mr. Alien hasn't walked up to your door and introduced
himself/herself (PC) to you, DOES NOT constitute proof that we are not being
visited on a very regular basis, now is it. To say that we will never be able
to travel faster than the speed of light is also extremely narrow minded. We
(well, other scientists actually) are now sending light at 3 times 186,000 miles
a second, not to mention, we have STOPPED light, and then sent it on its way.
To say that manipulating gravity wouldn't bypass the speed of light conundrum
is also wrong. To warp gravity is to also warp time and space. We can concievably
travel vast distances in a relative instant, all within the realm of reality,
TODAY.
Anyway, my rant is over. I just was blown away by narrow mindedness of some
of the responses here. To know that we know LITTLE of the universe we live in
seems to be forgotten. To assume (yes, makes an ass out of u and me) that we
are it, and that discovery is BORING, is, well, illogical. Thank you for your
time...Bartles and James
That MAY be true if the reason for finding and imaging planets were to find extreterrestrial life, but it's not. That would just be the cherry on the cake.
It is to get a better understanding of how our own planet came into existence, to learn more about how the universe is comprised, etc...you know, REAL science. Are you saying that finding other solar systems beyond our own isn't important?
Sedondly, to say that a magical mythical god created life, when science has proven that we evolved, would be a tragedy. To stop all learning because God and the bible provide all answers would be a blow to discovery, BIG TIME. The Bible is a Christian book, what about all the other religions? Religion is required by the fact that every human being longs for the answers to questions of, "Where did we come from?", "Where are we going?", and "Why am I here?". Religion (whichever one you have been TOLD to choose by your social surroundings) answers all these questions nicely, and for that purpose.
What would happen if we suddenly were to realize, that we are NOT alone in this vast universe. A universe that is so vast, that most humans can't comprehend the size and distances involved. What would happen to your religious beliefs? To find out that we are not only NOT alone, but that we are relatively young in the universal intelligence pool. What then?
We live an a non-descript planet in the middle of a non-descript solar system in the middle of billions of stars that make up our Milky Way galaxy, one of billions of galaxies...and you're going to tell me that we are it?!?! Shame on you for your egocentric ideals. To project the hint that you KNOW that we are alone. Are you the ALMIGHTY god?! I think not, and no, you DONT know if we are alone, you couldn't possibly know, so why do you say these things??? We are finding the building blocks of life in deep "empty" space! So to say, that in trillions of tries, where live giving particles are found in all areas of space, just happened to evolve on OUR planet for no apparent reason (sarcastic), would be silly. To say that in the 20 billions years (our guess as of today as to the age of our universe) that our universe has been evolving, that Earth was the only place that life arose would also be rather simple minded. By the numbers alone, as stated by the Drake equation, to say that we are alone goes against the odds.
Lastly, just because Mr. Alien hasn't walked up to your door and introduced himself/herself (PC) to you, DOES NOT constitute proof that we are not being visited on a very regular basis, now is it.
To say that we will never be able to travel faster than the speed of light is also extremely narrow minded. We (well, other scientists actually) are now sending light at 3 times 186,000 miles a second, not to mention, we have STOPPED light, and then sent it on its way. To say that manipulating gravity wouldn't bypass the speed of light conundrum is also wrong. To warp gravity is to also warp time and space. We can concievably travel vast distances in a relative instant, all within the realm of reality, TODAY.
Anyway, my rant is over. I just was blown away by narrow mindedness of some of the responses here. To know that we know LITTLE of the universe we live in seems to be forgotten. To assume (yes, makes an ass out of u and me) that we are it, and that discovery is BORING, is, well, illogical.
Thank you for your time...Bartles and James
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I think (as many of MY friends did) will ask the computer geek of their crowd what to do, and point them in the right direction. This information will filter quickly, just as the Napster phenom did.
I, in fact, am using an app that actually uses the Napster application, but connects using different servers. 70 terabytes is the norm, and actually found some obscure stuff I couldn't find on Napster! It's called Macigator (not sure what the equivelent would be for Windows), and so far it seems actually better than Napster ever was. Awesome...
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There are MANY researchers developing alternative energy sources that will produce energy without any material input, or waste.
Here's just ONE.
You mean 15 BILLION light years in diameter. But you are forgetting, it expands in ALL directions, making it roughly 30 BILLION light years in CIRCUMFERENCE by that thinking...
It's vastly due to the fact that there are things on the moon that people in the know do NOT want you to know ABOUT. Don't care if you believe me, but you asked and therefore had to answer...
Those "vibrations" were unfelt by the astronauts. It was a "vibration" that was detectable only through some VERY sensitive devices. The same thing happens here on earth, but relative sizes make it much less noticealbe.
Naw, you're just an idiot.
FAR less damaging than a terrorist, and too mis-informed to be an Apple user.
It's "civilized".
The US is as "modern" as it gets, so you seem confused...
You want conversions, just go here...and a meter is used to tell me how much my next electric bill will be...
NObody wants my privates to be public.
TRUST me...
Yeah, that's what they all say, they all say Doh...
That still doesn't mean it's NOT your browser.
It seems your logic has been skewed by some force that I'm not familiar with.
You see, not only are there billions of stars in our own galaxy, there are billions of galaxies. We are now finding that planetary systems aren't nearly as rare as we used to think, and this notion is dwindling away at an accelerated pace. In ten years, we may find planetary systems VERY common. Neither you or I can argue either way, at this point.
Now take into account that the distances between MOST stars are extremely hard to comprehend. Our own nearest is over 1 light year away (discounting the sun : ). We would have to travel 186000 miles a SECOND for a YEAR to reach it.
NOW take into account that you seem to wield time like it's measurable on your watch. My god, comprehending just a few thousand years is difficult. You are talking about processes that take inconcievable amounts of TIME. To suggest that "sentient" (bad word in my opinion, should have used self actualized or something) could only have arisen after half the known universe's time is strange. Half the known universe's time would be 6 billion years old. We haven't even found human remains that date back 6 MILLION. So, to suggest that it took that long is silly. It may have taken only a million years, but this particularly YOUNG planet didn't have the potential until then. Who knows? You or I don't. You have to understand all the we DON'T understand, which is much more than what we think we do. That's all.
Also, to suggest that all other life-forms, sentient or not, would have to follow Earths path is even sillier. That would be like suggesting I know for a fact that other life forms would have two eyes, breathe oxygen, etc...when we have just recently found bacteria living in space, on comets, asteroids etc..and that our deep oceans are teeming with life under unbelievable pressures, where there is never any light, they feed off of minerals spewing from extremely hot fissures. We are finding life occuring in the most extreme places, floating in space, falling to earth... It is very easy for me to comprehend an intelligent life form developing MILLIONS of years prior to our own somewhere else in this extremely vast universe. To say otherwise would be admitting that you think you know what the universe offers by looking at our own, non-descript, medium sized planet in a section of our non-descrpit galaxy, one of billions, in the universe that would be the equivelent to an electron in a piece of substance making up a grain of sand on ONE of the Earths beaches, which would again, be plain silly.
I apologize, it's just that your thinking of the universe seems very squeezed and shrink wrapped, when it's (the known univers) in fact extremely vast, and even uncomprehendible by most people.
Uh, as far as I know, these movies are still shown from FILM, which has microscopic resolutions. What the resolution was when transferring to film, which is MUCH smaller than a monitor, is what would be interesting to know...
Your URL is not found...
Has Slashdot considered that users not unlike yourself get more out of it's articles than whether spellings are correct?
Probably.
He was above it, all the way until the end, just as you said. He just plays the game, he didn't invent it...
Then why would they be looking? To just denounce their findings? That would be like SETI finding a curious repeating signal, and just saying "It can't be" and discarding. That would be stupid to say the least...
Um...oh forget it. *sigh*
Because, intelligent life uses discovery to evolve it's intelligence. This drives intelligent beings to pursue further into the unknown, and what is more vast than the universe?
How do you know that we aren't being visited? Because YOU haven't experienced anything yourself. What if they don't WANT to be noticed. Given the fact that the Earth is relatively very young in the Universe, and even we are on the verge of faster than light travel through gravity warping, to say that no other intelligent life has also followed that path of discovery and conquered these problems eons ago, is well, silly at best. We live in a universe where the size is very hard to comprehend. We live on a non-descript planet in a non-descript solar system in a non-descript galaxy filled with billions of stars, in a universe filled with billions of galaxies, where our closest star is over 1 light year away. We are finding life building carbon rings in empty space, protiens and bacteria on asteroids, a new solar system is found almost weekly now...so to say we are alone in this vast universe, when you know the full scope, is just plain silly in my view. I mean, how egomaniacal are we to think this? First we were the center of the universe, then we were the center of the solar system, then we find that not only are we STILL fighting our own ego's, but that it is still prevelant. Open your mind man. We are NOT alone, don't want to go into details, but we are definitely NOT alone, and haven't been for a very long time. The fact that this notion is perfectly in the realm of being possible should be enough for you to not say that we ARE alone, unless you know something that no one else is privy to, which you are not, of course. Thanks.
It would be the fact that it isn't like anything else out there. Patterns that wouldn't be seen unless intelligently produced. They may not be able to plug in a "TV" (they may not even know what one is), but if they were "looking" as we are, they would be looking for exactly what we are. Patterns that could not originate elswhere in nature. That's how they differentiate.
Yes, they have copyrighted pastel colors AND that duck clip-art at the multiple user start-up. So back off.
So.......what do you think of the artice HERE. But, since you started it. We recieved 8 Ti's for our agency, and we have had nothing but rave reviews on all of them. I tell you what, our clients couldn't be more impressed when you preview a piece on one of these things. I just took one to Denver and watched a movie on the plane. I couldn't finish it due to peoples questions about the thing. I even got a "What's Apple?" Awesome.
That MAY be true if the reason for finding and imaging planets were to find extreterrestrial life, but it's not. That would just be the cherry on the cake.
It is to get a better understanding of how our own planet came into existence, to learn more about how the universe is comprised, etc...you know, REAL science. Are you saying that finding other solar systems beyond our own isn't important?
Sedondly, to say that a magical mythical god created life, when science has proven that we evolved, would be a tragedy. To stop all learning because God and the bible provide all answers would be a blow to discovery, BIG TIME. The Bible is a Christian book, what about all the other religions? Religion is required by the fact that every human being longs for the answers to questions of, "Where did we come from?", "Where are we going?", and "Why am I here?". Religion (whichever one you have been TOLD to choose by your social surroundings) answers all these questions nicely, and for that purpose.
What would happen if we suddenly were to realize, that we are NOT alone in this vast universe. A universe that is so vast, that most humans can't comprehend the size and distances involved. What would happen to your religious beliefs? To find out that we are not only NOT alone, but that we are relatively young in the universal intelligence pool. What then?
We live an a non-descript planet in the middle of a non-descript solar system in the middle of billions of stars that make up our Milky Way galaxy, one of billions of galaxies...and you're going to tell me that we are it?!?! Shame on you for your egocentric ideals. To project the hint that you KNOW that we are alone. Are you the ALMIGHTY god?! I think not, and no, you DONT know if we are alone, you couldn't possibly know, so why do you say these things??? We are finding the building blocks of life in deep "empty" space! So to say, that in trillions of tries, where live giving particles are found in all areas of space, just happened to evolve on OUR planet for no apparent reason (sarcastic), would be silly. To say that in the 20 billions years (our guess as of today as to the age of our universe) that our universe has been evolving, that Earth was the only place that life arose would also be rather simple minded. By the numbers alone, as stated by the Drake equation, to say that we are alone goes against the odds.
Lastly, just because Mr. Alien hasn't walked up to your door and introduced himself/herself (PC) to you, DOES NOT constitute proof that we are not being visited on a very regular basis, now is it. To say that we will never be able to travel faster than the speed of light is also extremely narrow minded. We (well, other scientists actually) are now sending light at 3 times 186,000 miles a second, not to mention, we have STOPPED light, and then sent it on its way. To say that manipulating gravity wouldn't bypass the speed of light conundrum is also wrong. To warp gravity is to also warp time and space. We can concievably travel vast distances in a relative instant, all within the realm of reality, TODAY.
Anyway, my rant is over. I just was blown away by narrow mindedness of some of the responses here. To know that we know LITTLE of the universe we live in seems to be forgotten. To assume (yes, makes an ass out of u and me) that we are it, and that discovery is BORING, is, well, illogical. Thank you for your time...Bartles and James
That MAY be true if the reason for finding and imaging planets were to find extreterrestrial life, but it's not. That would just be the cherry on the cake. It is to get a better understanding of how our own planet came into existence, to learn more about how the universe is comprised, etc...you know, REAL science. Are you saying that finding other solar systems beyond our own isn't important? Sedondly, to say that a magical mythical god created life, when science has proven that we evolved, would be a tragedy. To stop all learning because God and the bible provide all answers would be a blow to discovery, BIG TIME. The Bible is a Christian book, what about all the other religions? Religion is required by the fact that every human being longs for the answers to questions of, "Where did we come from?", "Where are we going?", and "Why am I here?". Religion (whichever one you have been TOLD to choose by your social surroundings) answers all these questions nicely, and for that purpose. What would happen if we suddenly were to realize, that we are NOT alone in this vast universe. A universe that is so vast, that most humans can't comprehend the size and distances involved. What would happen to your religious beliefs? To find out that we are not only NOT alone, but that we are relatively young in the universal intelligence pool. What then? We live an a non-descript planet in the middle of a non-descript solar system in the middle of billions of stars that make up our Milky Way galaxy, one of billions of galaxies...and you're going to tell me that we are it?!?! Shame on you for your egocentric ideals. To project the hint that you KNOW that we are alone. Are you the ALMIGHTY god?! I think not, and no, you DONT know if we are alone, you couldn't possibly know, so why do you say these things??? We are finding the building blocks of life in deep "empty" space! So to say, that in trillions of tries, where live giving particles are found in all areas of space, just happened to evolve on OUR planet for no apparent reason (sarcastic), would be silly. To say that in the 20 billions years (our guess as of today as to the age of our universe) that our universe has been evolving, that Earth was the only place that life arose would also be rather simple minded. By the numbers alone, as stated by the Drake equation, to say that we are alone goes against the odds. Lastly, just because Mr. Alien hasn't walked up to your door and introduced himself/herself (PC) to you, DOES NOT constitute proof that we are not being visited on a very regular basis, now is it. To say that we will never be able to travel faster than the speed of light is also extremely narrow minded. We (well, other scientists actually) are now sending light at 3 times 186,000 miles a second, not to mention, we have STOPPED light, and then sent it on its way. To say that manipulating gravity wouldn't bypass the speed of light conundrum is also wrong. To warp gravity is to also warp time and space. We can concievably travel vast distances in a relative instant, all within the realm of reality, TODAY. Anyway, my rant is over. I just was blown away by narrow mindedness of some of the responses here. To know that we know LITTLE of the universe we live in seems to be forgotten. To assume (yes, makes an ass out of u and me) that we are it, and that discovery is BORING, is, well, illogical. Thank you for your time...Bartles and James
I like to take 95% and round up. So what, I'm off by 5%. Kiss my ass... Besides, I'm still using Minix...
Macigator is a all-in-one music program. It allows you to track public OpenNap servers as well as connect to them with just one click. You can view the BillBoard Hot 200, and search for any artist on that list with just one click. It's fast, small, and leaves a small foot print in your memory. It also features the top music news for Launch.com, InfoBeat and more. All in one awesome program.
I think (as many of MY friends did) will ask the computer geek of their crowd what to do, and point them in the right direction. This information will filter quickly, just as the Napster phenom did. I, in fact, am using an app that actually uses the Napster application, but connects using different servers. 70 terabytes is the norm, and actually found some obscure stuff I couldn't find on Napster! It's called Macigator (not sure what the equivelent would be for Windows), and so far it seems actually better than Napster ever was. Awesome...