The answer is that you need to do some analysis, but, yes, it's a net win. It turns out to be the way economics works, but since you don't seem to be interested in thinking about anything that doesn't conform with what you already believe, my apologies if I don't do the demand curve lecture,.
Learn some economics. You might find it interesting.
What the minimum wage does is put a "bottom" on the "race to the bottom"-- the drive for corporations to maximize profits by minimizing wages.
That's the economic equivalent of believing that the earth is flat. Thanks for demonstrating your complete and utter ignorance so clearly.
Here is the Forbes article (you know Forbes, right? Not exactly a left-wing-socialist-tool) explaining it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/f...
It would be easier to show this by showing graphs of demand curves, but/., with an old-fashioned text-only interface, doesn't support that. The take-away calculation is that if minimum wage increases, while some businesses will decide not to hire some workers because their productivity now is less than their cost, pay increases for the rest of the minimum wage workers, the ones who had been being paid less than their marginal value. It turns out to be a net win-- the workers not hired are the ones who were producing minimum value.
Real economics is actually somewhat interesting-- you should learn some of it, instead of the oversimplified cartoon economics that libertarians hold so dearly to. You might like it.
Maybe its because they don't see it as 2hr, they see it as taking a gig that involves dropping something off on they way home for the grocery store trip they were making anyway,
Except that's not the way instacart works, any more that Uber works by you pick somebody up on your way to the store.
I know that this is news for nerds, but still, this is completely unimportant. So, you can duplicate one functionality of a new smartphone by manipulating images in software? OK, but why do I care, exactly?
That's a common libertarian statement, yes: they have no problem with people starving, but if you try to make a system where people don't starve, they say "The immoral position is yours, namely attempts to interfere with it."
Right. Let people die, it's the only moral thing to do. That way the economy works, and the economy is more important than the people in it.
I will repeat: this is exactly why people have such a low opinion of libertarians.
So, you lied about it being "the" guy quoted in "the" article, and it's not even the only guy quoted in that article. But it's ok that you cherry pick out that one guy, and make assumptions about him, because "it has a great breakdown of all the issues". Sure, no problem.
I think the gun pointing to their head is the need to eat and have somewhere to live.
HMm...I guess I must have missed it in the article, that this was the ONLY job in town for everyone.
Yeah, the asshole libertarians think that a two dollar an hour wage is fine, because of course if people don't like it they can just go get a different job.
This is exactly why people think libertarians are assholes.
This is not a bug but a key feature of gig economy.
It is. The "feature" is that by calling workers "independent contractors", Instacart can violate all of the laws set up to make sure that employers don't take advantage of workers. Morality, ethics, and common decency have no place in business-- all that matters is paying workers as little as possible in order for the company to make as much profit as possible.
If you think you're immune just because you don't use Facebook, Google, or Twitter... well, maybe. But more likely you just are being manipulated so deftly that you are unable to notice that you are being manipulated.
I kind-of doubt this.
And maybe you have. But you are using the web, aren't you. So maybe you are just being manipulated and you just aren't able to see it.
As a general point, people who insist "I'm so smart I can't be manipulated" are the ones who are easiest to manipulate.
It's true, security problems usually exploit a bug. BUT, in general, there is a systematic problem underneath the bug, which allows a bug in a program to escalate to gain access to root-level systems. So, it's not just a bug, but a bug that is built on a system that does not have security built in.
To run for office they have to forever give up their license to practice law.
George Washington was a lawyer prior to being drafted into the Navy.
Is this one of these fake facts everybody is talking about? George Washington was a surveyor before volunteering to join the British colonial militia infantry (which is to say: Army.)
He wasn't a lawyer, wasn't drafted, and wasn't in the Navy.
Nobody forces you on the 1 percent controlled sites such as Facebook, Google or Twitter.
This. The problem isn't "the Web", the problem is "social media and AdSense".
As the summary says, "People are being distorted by very finely trained AIs that figure out how to distract them." Nobody "forces" you on the clickbait sites: but the AIs figure out what will get to you, and makes sure it's made available. If you use the web: you are being watched. Not by big brother, but by data analysis tools that are figuring out where you go and what you click.
If you think you're immune just because you don't use Facebook, Google, or Twitter... well, maybe. But more likely you just are being manipulated so deftly that you are unable to notice that you are being manipulated.
Both computers updated this morning. Went very smoothly. New features, seems to be more secure and faster. There was zero cost for this update. Great job Redmond, keep 'em coming. Much appreciated here! Highly Recommend!
I am completely unable to tell if this post is straight-up, or if it is straight-faced sarcasm.
Pretty sure the OP meant "minority" the mathematical sense - "the smaller part or number; a number, part, or amount forming less than half of the whole" rather than referring to the standard US understanding of racial minorities.
I think the poster may have been trying to make a pun on "black" Friday = "African-American" Friday.
I'll remember that thank you. I'm assuming from your references you may be a climate researcher yourself.
A reasonable assumption, but not quite-- I'm in the next field over, so I work with the atmospheric optical models, but not climate. I do know some of the climate guys (mostly the ones doing atmospheric transmission and scattering, not the ones you would have ever heard of) and occasionally even work with them (but not on the Earth's atmosphere).
FWIW I should let you know that my beef is not with your profession. I trust you do your work honestly and competently and as best you can. My distrust is with the people who are *not* climate researchers but who use a set of talking points about climate to either, as I see it, profit or get fame from it (Al Gore comes to mind), or to label their (usually conservative) opponents as dumb anti-science people, or merely to virtue signal, without doing anything whatsoever for the cause they profess to care.
Thanks. I'll accept your compliments on behalf of my colleagues next door.
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Fill the glass to the top with water so the ice sticks out the top. Watch what happens when the ice melts. Science. Thanks for playing, morons.
You do know that Antarctica is a continent, and the miles-thick ice sheet under discussion is on land, not floating, right?
Fill a glass to the top with water. Then, melt ice somewhere else, and pour the melted water into the glass. The glass will overflow.
Learn some economics. You might find it interesting.
That's the economic equivalent of believing that the earth is flat. Thanks for demonstrating your complete and utter ignorance so clearly.
Here is the Forbes article (you know Forbes, right? Not exactly a left-wing-socialist-tool) explaining it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/f...
It would be easier to show this by showing graphs of demand curves, but /., with an old-fashioned text-only interface, doesn't support that. The take-away calculation is that if minimum wage increases, while some businesses will decide not to hire some workers because their productivity now is less than their cost, pay increases for the rest of the minimum wage workers, the ones who had been being paid less than their marginal value. It turns out to be a net win-- the workers not hired are the ones who were producing minimum value.
Real economics is actually somewhat interesting-- you should learn some of it, instead of the oversimplified cartoon economics that libertarians hold so dearly to. You might like it.
What the minimum wage does is put a "bottom" on the "race to the bottom"-- the drive for corporations to maximize profits by minimizing wages.
Try this one, from Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/f...
It's not the libertarian paradise where people starve, because we didn't want that.
Maybe its because they don't see it as 2hr, they see it as taking a gig that involves dropping something off on they way home for the grocery store trip they were making anyway,
Except that's not the way instacart works, any more that Uber works by you pick somebody up on your way to the store.
I know that this is news for nerds, but still, this is completely unimportant. So, you can duplicate one functionality of a new smartphone by manipulating images in software? OK, but why do I care, exactly?
That's a common libertarian statement, yes: they have no problem with people starving, but if you try to make a system where people don't starve, they say "The immoral position is yours, namely attempts to interfere with it."
Right. Let people die, it's the only moral thing to do. That way the economy works, and the economy is more important than the people in it.
I will repeat: this is exactly why people have such a low opinion of libertarians.
So, you lied about it being "the" guy quoted in "the" article, and it's not even the only guy quoted in that article. But it's ok that you cherry pick out that one guy, and make assumptions about him, because "it has a great breakdown of all the issues". Sure, no problem.
There is no gun forcing you to take a job you can't do well enough to earn a decent living doing
Of course not. You always can just starve to death, that's always an option.
No problem. The economy is bad, you just die. Problem solved.
But the guy they quoted in the article already had a public sector job.
Here is the article cited: https://www.fastcompany.com/40498626/instacart-workers-are-striking-over-wages-reportedly-as-low-as-1-an-hour. There is only one "guy quoted," and the quote is "some shoppers are being paid less than the federal minimum wage, like a Jackson, Miss., worker who put in a 19-hour week in Jackson, Mississippi, that paid out $37.75 (roughly $2/hour)." No mention of a job in the public sector.
Here is the second article cited http://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Instacart-workers-plan-Sunday-Monday-strike-12366805.php. Two Instacart workers are quoted. Neither mentions a job in the public sector.
Here is the third article cited, the ars technical article: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/some-instacart-workers-to-strike-over-pay-that-can-be-as-low-as-1-per-hour/. Ah-- at last-- Six people were quoted, and three more people's wages were listed (but they weren't quoted directly). ONE of the many people quoted was the guy who said he had a civil service job.
So it's a little disingenuous to say "the" guy they quoted in "the" article.
So. What you meant to say was ONE of the large number of people quoted in the three articles cited also had a full-time job.
HMm...I guess I must have missed it in the article, that this was the ONLY job in town for everyone.
Yeah, the asshole libertarians think that a two dollar an hour wage is fine, because of course if people don't like it they can just go get a different job.
This is exactly why people think libertarians are assholes.
This is not a bug but a key feature of gig economy.
It is. The "feature" is that by calling workers "independent contractors", Instacart can violate all of the laws set up to make sure that employers don't take advantage of workers. Morality, ethics, and common decency have no place in business-- all that matters is paying workers as little as possible in order for the company to make as much profit as possible.
Again, where's the gun to their head to do this contract job?
If you don't have a job, you starve.
That's a gun to the head.
If you think you're immune just because you don't use Facebook, Google, or Twitter... well, maybe. But more likely you just are being manipulated so deftly that you are unable to notice that you are being manipulated.
I kind-of doubt this.
And maybe you have. But you are using the web, aren't you. So maybe you are just being manipulated and you just aren't able to see it.
As a general point, people who insist "I'm so smart I can't be manipulated" are the ones who are easiest to manipulate.
It's true, security problems usually exploit a bug. BUT, in general, there is a systematic problem underneath the bug, which allows a bug in a program to escalate to gain access to root-level systems. So, it's not just a bug, but a bug that is built on a system that does not have security built in.
To run for office they have to forever give up their license to practice law.
George Washington was a lawyer prior to being drafted into the Navy.
Is this one of these fake facts everybody is talking about? George Washington was a surveyor before volunteering to join the British colonial militia infantry (which is to say: Army.)
He wasn't a lawyer, wasn't drafted, and wasn't in the Navy.
Nobody forces you on the 1 percent controlled sites such as Facebook, Google or Twitter.
This. The problem isn't "the Web", the problem is "social media and AdSense".
As the summary says, "People are being distorted by very finely trained AIs that figure out how to distract them." Nobody "forces" you on the clickbait sites: but the AIs figure out what will get to you, and makes sure it's made available. If you use the web: you are being watched. Not by big brother, but by data analysis tools that are figuring out where you go and what you click.
If you think you're immune just because you don't use Facebook, Google, or Twitter... well, maybe. But more likely you just are being manipulated so deftly that you are unable to notice that you are being manipulated.
Both computers updated this morning. Went very smoothly. New features, seems to be more secure and faster. There was zero cost for this update. Great job Redmond, keep 'em coming. Much appreciated here! Highly Recommend!
I am completely unable to tell if this post is straight-up, or if it is straight-faced sarcasm.
Only the AC knows for sure.
But, "being treated rudely at least once a month" is NOT the same as being bullied.
Pretty sure the OP meant "minority" the mathematical sense - "the smaller part or number; a number, part, or amount forming less than half of the whole" rather than referring to the standard US understanding of racial minorities.
I think the poster may have been trying to make a pun on "black" Friday = "African-American" Friday.
It's kinda hard to tell, though
First yo!
*third
But it was the first "yo!"
What would really kick ass, if done correctly...
Yeah-- there's always a catch, isn't there.
And I hate that song.
I'll remember that thank you. I'm assuming from your references you may be a climate researcher yourself.
A reasonable assumption, but not quite-- I'm in the next field over, so I work with the atmospheric optical models, but not climate. I do know some of the climate guys (mostly the ones doing atmospheric transmission and scattering, not the ones you would have ever heard of) and occasionally even work with them (but not on the Earth's atmosphere).
FWIW I should let you know that my beef is not with your profession. I trust you do your work honestly and competently and as best you can. My distrust is with the people who are *not* climate researchers but who use a set of talking points about climate to either, as I see it, profit or get fame from it (Al Gore comes to mind), or to label their (usually conservative) opponents as dumb anti-science people, or merely to virtue signal, without doing anything whatsoever for the cause they profess to care.
Thanks. I'll accept your compliments on behalf of my colleagues next door.