Would DOOM be popular if this aversion were still in place or not weakened? You can't pick on DOOM unless you pick on every other form of entertainment. How many ways does the transition from clicking the mouse to pulling the trigger differ from from rooting for Charles Bronson in DEATH WISH? Did you all root for Al Pacino or Robert DeNiro in HEAT? Did you root for law or lawlessness?
If we'd just pass a law against lawlessness, all our problems would go away.
I have just spent 2 hours reading on this subject, and I have seen this basic argument several times now. I have not read it all, by far. I have not yet seen the basic premise attacked. The anti-gun advocates do not seem to be able to tackle this one head on.
This is a challenge. Can ANYONE out there demonstrate that LAWS banning guns will prevent people who want to use them to kill others (A.K.A criminals (no regards for the much loved LAWS) from getting them?
Can anyone out there refute the claim that there are people out there who will KILL you given the chance? With whatever is at hand? Don't you want to defend yourself? Do you want to defend yourself against a crooked cop?
Who are you willing to trust with your life? Somebody you never met? Will that bump in the halway at 3:00AM spare your life? Your daughter's innocence?
Who do you trust with your freedom? Politicians? (They're such marvelous managers, no?) Who do you trust with your hardware? Microsoft?
This forum is populated in the vast majority (I believe) by people who use an OS that has gained it's popularity for the fact that it is under the control of the user, not some bully corporation (I have no problem with fat profits, BTW). Oh how I love Windows update! I don't have to think for myself anymore. Because I have no choice? We can defend ourselves by using some other system.
Can we defend ourselves against criminals if we we disarm the LAW ABIDING population? Can we defend ourselves against tyrrany and corruption?
Lets not forget to work within the system. Politics is a nasty ugly corrupt mess. But it's the only thing that keeps us from anarchy. Will the system defend us if it can merely roll over us? Can the system defend us when another nation decides to roll over us?
(This is why Israelis are armed, trained, and willing to defend themselves. Can you imagine someone trying to occupy America while every few dozen miles there is a sign that reads "FOOD, BEER, AMMO")
The system in America has persisted (and permutated) for about 200 years with only one violent disagreement. The federal government managed to survive what we call the Civil War. The Confederate states had several greivances, among them slavery. Never mind that they were wrong. At least they had the GONADS to stand for themselves, to rebel aginst what they thought was wrong. And to defend themselves against EVIL, whether it be a perceived threat from the overcontrolling Federal government, or Psycopathic, underdisciplined teens killing DEFENSELESS students.
Where I work, we have a sarcastic slogan: "There should be a law against that."
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Would DOOM be popular if this aversion were still in place or not weakened? You can't pick on DOOM unless you pick on every other form of entertainment. How many ways does the transition from clicking the mouse to pulling the trigger differ from from rooting for Charles Bronson in DEATH WISH? Did you all root for Al Pacino or Robert DeNiro in HEAT? Did you root for law or lawlessness?
If we'd just pass a law against lawlessness, all our problems would go away.
I have just spent 2 hours reading on this subject, and I have seen this basic argument several times now. I have not read it all, by far. I have not yet seen the basic premise attacked. The anti-gun advocates do not seem to be able to tackle this one head on.
This is a challenge. Can ANYONE out there demonstrate that LAWS banning guns will prevent people who want to use them to kill others (A.K.A criminals (no regards for the much loved LAWS) from getting them?
Can anyone out there refute the claim that there are people out there who will KILL you given the chance? With whatever is at hand? Don't you want to defend yourself? Do you want to defend yourself against a crooked cop?
Who are you willing to trust with your life? Somebody you never met? Will that bump in the halway at 3:00AM spare your life? Your daughter's innocence?
Who do you trust with your freedom? Politicians? (They're such marvelous managers, no?) Who do you trust with your hardware? Microsoft?
This forum is populated in the vast majority (I believe) by people who use an OS that has gained it's popularity for the fact that it is under the control of the user, not some bully corporation (I have no problem with fat profits, BTW). Oh how I love Windows update! I don't have to think for myself anymore. Because I have no choice? We can defend ourselves by using some other system.
Can we defend ourselves against criminals if we we disarm the LAW ABIDING population? Can we defend ourselves against tyrrany and corruption?
Lets not forget to work within the system. Politics is a nasty ugly corrupt mess. But it's the only thing that keeps us from anarchy. Will the system defend us if it can merely roll over us? Can the system defend us when another nation decides to roll over us?
(This is why Israelis are armed, trained, and willing to defend themselves. Can you imagine someone trying to occupy America while every few dozen miles there is a sign that reads "FOOD, BEER, AMMO")
The system in America has persisted (and permutated) for about 200 years with only one violent disagreement. The federal government managed to survive what we call the Civil War. The Confederate states had several greivances, among them slavery. Never mind that they were wrong. At least they had the GONADS to stand for themselves, to rebel aginst what they thought was wrong. And to defend themselves against EVIL, whether it be a perceived threat from the overcontrolling Federal government, or Psycopathic, underdisciplined teens killing DEFENSELESS students.
Where I work, we have a sarcastic slogan: "There should be a law against that."