What makes these people the experts? Here what I do know.
During the time Saddam was gassing kurds and iranians he was a close ally of the US. We supplied him with weapons and more importantly intelligence. Our sattelites and spies informed him of iranian troop movements. Maybe you are right and he got the raw materials from other countries but he got the knowhow from the US.
Finally. After Saddam gassed the kurds and those awful pictures got transmitted the UN drafted a resolution condeming Saddam. The resolution never passed becasue the Reagan Administration (Reagan, Baker, Bush sr, Cheney etc) vetoed it.
I think that pretty much explains everything you need to know.
Anytime anybody posts a link to the washington times I completely dismiss their entire post. That moonie publication is incapable of thinking rationally about anything.
As I said. You believe that the illegal and predetory practices of MS had zero effect on netscape so you are an idiot. Somebody who has no understanding of capitalism or how markets work.
" hope the SEC is looking into the stock dealings."
The SEC won't do jack. There are probably some borderline illegal things going here but by and large this is just a bunch of people playing the stockmarket lottery.
People know that huge corporations have a vested interest in prolonging this case so they buy stock hoping that occationally a large company gives SCO another 50 million or so to keep the case going (which would drive the stock up). There are also many people shorting the stock hoping that it goes down.
At this time this stock is simply legalized gambling.
"For Netscape to have survived, it would have had to have been a better offering than IE."
They did. IE was worse then shit until 4.0.
"They couldn't even make it stable for Linux. "
What does this have to do with anything?
"So spare us the MS is at fault for Netscape's demise bullshit."
So once again you are claiming that MS "cut off the air supply" tactics had ZERO effect on Netscape is that right? Zero? None? Not even one little bit?
If you think that the illegal and predatory tactics by MS had zero effect on Netscate you are a total idiot.
I presume you want some money from me right? Why? Do you need money in order not to be a zealot? If I pay you money will your morals and ethics change?
Here is my offer to you.
Read a book or two on ethics. Learn compassion for other human beings. Understand that all humans deserve fair and just treatment.
Make yourself a better person and stop listening to a hateful and venegeful god who is telling you that non believers are heathens who will end up hell and deserve to be killed at the hands of the righteous. Undestand deep inside your bones that God does not have chosen people, God did not promise you a plot of land someplace, God does not have a pre-ordained place in the pantheon for you.
Last but not least. God does not approve of what a shithole the palestenians and israelis have turned the holy land into.
"People deserve a democracy, and any step in that direction is a positive one."
Which people? The tibetians, north koreans, chinese, taiwanese, east timorese, saudi arabians, iranians, palestenians, africans from all over? I think what you meant to say was that people with oil who don't contribute to US campaigns deserve democracy right?
In it you slam the palestenians for supporting terrorist attacks and you slam Arafat for stealing money. You are one sided because you do not state percentages of people in israel who are for expanding settlements, mass arrests, curfews of hundreds of thousands of people, torture, destroying houses of relatives, forced expulsions, and firing missiles into crowded cities.
I know that you are fully aware of the level of hatred that exists inside of Israel for palestenians and arabs just as I am aware of the level of hatred that exists inside of arab lands for israel. Because I am not a jew, arab or a muslim I can see both sides of debate. You can only see one side of the debate.
I don't know the full details of your charges against Arafat but it does not strike me as being out of line. If he did have that much money under his control I imagine he tried to shield it from freezing by the Israeli or US governments. Maybe he did this as a result of being shelled by the Israeli army when they invaded his town and laid a siege to his compound. I do recall Sharon stating that he intended to kill Arafat many times. If I was arafat and sharon said he was going to kill me I would have believed him, wouldn't you?
As I said before. Arafat is a terrorist. He should be arrested and tried under international laws. He should be jailed if he is found guilty. Same with Sharon.
The ugly truth is that neither one of these people want peace and peace will not come as long as both of these people are alive. Furthermore peace will not come until both the israelis and palestenians learn to stop hating each other. The real danger is that after both of these evil people are gone even more hateful people will replace them. I can just see a world where arafat dies and the PA is replaced by hamas and sharon is replaced by netanyahu. Can you even imagine the bloodbath that will follow?
"If you really cared you would be pushing/calling for the ouster/trial of Arafat for stealing so much money from a people that desperatly need the money."
I am all for it. I also believe that Sharon should be tried for war crimes. Let's do both. Let's arrest and try both Arafat and Sharon. Let's crack down on hamas, kill and arrest their leaders and at the same time let's dismantle all the settlements, tear down the fence, and give the palestenian people the freedom they deserve.
You are the one that's one sided. I do not dismiss anything the PA does but neither am I willing to give the Israeli govt a pass.
A civilized nation eventually makes the people it conquered citizens. The US did this, Russia did this, and China did this. If you gain ground in war then eventually you must assimilate the people you have conqered. The palestenians are the keep of the Israeli govt. Israel should annex the terrorotories as spoils of war and give full citizenship to everybody living there. That's how civilized nations act.
" Since I got that from a study the PA did on it's own finances does that mean the PA is a supporter of Zionism?"
No. The reason you are a supporter of zionism is because you only choose to advertise that fact in your signature not the horrible and cruel things Israel does to the palestenians. Sure Arafat is a thief and terrorist but sharon is no better. In fact Israel is holding on to more the 300 million in taxes collected from palestenians which it's supposed to give back.
Both the israeli govt and the palestenian govt are despicable entities who have chosen to try and torture their enemies in the slowest most painful way possible while steadfastly refusing to find a peaceful solution to their problems.
This is what happens when you let God decide your foreign policy.
" Yes, but all those countries governments have changed over time."
So what? It's still the same country isn't it? People evolve in their governemnts just like we have evolved in ours. Do you count every constitutional amendment as a new govt? Did the emancipation proclimation somehow create a brand new govt.
That's a really lame argument. By the way the original poster by the ignoramous stated "That's why the US government is now the oldest in existence, excepting some ways of looking at China and the Vatican (and some other tiny places". A statement that is wholly without factual basis.
"That's why the US government is now the oldest in existence"
Wow. Wuite possibly the most ignorant and wrong thing ever said on slashdot. Congratulations.
BTW it might help to read some history. You might find it interesting to know that France, England, Greece, Egypt, italy, russia and a whole slew of other countries existed before the US did.
"I do not live in America, but shouldnt there be a lot of people reporting SCO to the appropriate governmental Body that oversees frauds in the stockmarket? (SEC)"
These people are greedy and evil but they are not stupid. They are not going to break the law.
What you have to realize is that in America the laws are written by the corporate class. They allow for all kinds of sleazy things. What SCO is doing (and what Enron, Worldcom etc did) is perfectly legal.
"'Now I know it's trollish to root for MS in any case,"
Especially here where the MS fanboys and astro turfers will mod you up like crazy.
It does take a special kind of troll to suggest that MS actions and sleazeball tactics had zero effect on the demise of netscape though. Congratulations.
Go teach your children that crime does pay. Teach them that it's ok to break the law, to throw all their moral and ethical lessons out the windows and do anything they want to as long as they "win" and "laugh all the way to the bank".
No wonder kids flip out in school. The cognitive dissonance must be too much to bear. Their parents tell them to be nice and share, their churches tell them to be moral and ethical but the law and society tells them that it's OK lie, cheat and steal as long as you make lots of money.
" I saw that too and your not being honest. The reason he said that is because Dean is a real left-wing liberal who is taking over the Democratic party."
First of all he could have said any combination of words to describe how weak he thinks Dean will be compared to Bush. He chose to say that God was on the side of George Bush and that the Dean candidacy was proof of that.
As for the "Dean is a real left wing liberal" crap you are sprouting off it's bullshit and you know it. Dean is pro gun, pro balanced budget, pro small govt. Fiscally speaking he is more conservative then George Bush.
He is anti gay marriage but pro civil unions, He is pro choice, he is for liberalizing drug laws. It's because of these issues that the religious right calls him "left wing liberal". To them any recognition that Gay people might be human beings who deserve the same rights as you and me is offensive and of course women should aways be forced to have babies whether they want them or not.
I hope the economy continues to do better, I sure as hell can use the help after Bush fucked it up so bad, I certainly hope that it will get to where it was when Clinton left office but I don't hold high hopes for it. Last time we had deficits like this the inflation rates rose like crazy. The deficits have already had an adverse effect on the dollar let's hope it does not raise inflation rates again.
As for iraq you are kidding yourself if you think that US will pull all their troops out before the election. We have to stay for the next five to ten years no matter what happens. If the 150 thousand elite US military can't keep the peace you think a few thousand Iraqis will? Do you honestly believe that the polish army is a substitute for the US army? I think not.
besides which none of that obviates the fact that Bush lied and waged a war for personal motives and profit.
"Dean will get butchered at the poll next November."
Maybe he will. The republicans are masters at smear tactics and they have a dominant media presense which will crucify any democrat who might challange any republican. It's awful hard to counter 24 hours a day republican programming on the cable stations. They will keep repeating that George Bush is a candidate chosen by God and that Dean is a socialist traitor who hates America.
This administration has shown over and over again they they are eager to punish anybody, any organization or any country that does not toe the line. Not many members of the press can widthstand that kind of punishment.
I think people overestimate the power of the internet. I heard Dick Morris say "the rise of Howard Dean is proof that God is on the side of Gearge Bush". That was on the Bill Oreilly show and Bill Just kind of nodded his head (because that's exactly how fair and balanced he is).
Here we have incontravertable proof that God himself has chosen Bush so how is the internet going to stand up to the will of God?
BTW since Dick Morris believes that God has chosen Bush does it really make sense to hear him say anything else about any candidate? God has spoken and that should be the last word right?
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What makes these people the experts? Here what I do know.
During the time Saddam was gassing kurds and iranians he was a close ally of the US. We supplied him with weapons and more importantly intelligence. Our sattelites and spies informed him of iranian troop movements. Maybe you are right and he got the raw materials from other countries but he got the knowhow from the US.
Finally. After Saddam gassed the kurds and those awful pictures got transmitted the UN drafted a resolution condeming Saddam. The resolution never passed becasue the Reagan Administration (Reagan, Baker, Bush sr, Cheney etc) vetoed it.
I think that pretty much explains everything you need to know.
What was the specific reason for excluding canada? For that matter what was the specific reason for excluding France?
I'll tell you what it is. They had the nerve to critize Bush. It's presonal venegance just like the war on Iraq was.
Anytime anybody posts a link to the washington times I completely dismiss their entire post. That moonie publication is incapable of thinking rationally about anything.
As I said. You believe that the illegal and predetory practices of MS had zero effect on netscape so you are an idiot. Somebody who has no understanding of capitalism or how markets work.
" hope the SEC is looking into the stock dealings."
The SEC won't do jack. There are probably some borderline illegal things going here but by and large this is just a bunch of people playing the stockmarket lottery.
People know that huge corporations have a vested interest in prolonging this case so they buy stock hoping that occationally a large company gives SCO another 50 million or so to keep the case going (which would drive the stock up). There are also many people shorting the stock hoping that it goes down.
At this time this stock is simply legalized gambling.
"For Netscape to have survived, it would have had to have been a better offering than IE."
They did. IE was worse then shit until 4.0.
"They couldn't even make it stable for Linux. "
What does this have to do with anything?
"So spare us the MS is at fault for Netscape's demise bullshit."
So once again you are claiming that MS "cut off the air supply" tactics had ZERO effect on Netscape is that right? Zero? None? Not even one little bit?
If you think that the illegal and predatory tactics by MS had zero effect on Netscate you are a total idiot.
Remember all the "me too!" posts on usenet? It's just like that.
BTW MS is also planning one.
"God knows what is happening, and has the power to change what is happening IF GOD WANTED TO"
How about this.
There is no God. If you don't buy that then try this. God does not care about you.
Whatever. It does not excuse your lack of morality.
" I you wish to pay me I will do as you ask."
Huh?
I presume you want some money from me right? Why? Do you need money in order not to be a zealot? If I pay you money will your morals and ethics change?
Here is my offer to you.
Read a book or two on ethics. Learn compassion for other human beings. Understand that all humans deserve fair and just treatment.
Make yourself a better person and stop listening to a hateful and venegeful god who is telling you that non believers are heathens who will end up hell and deserve to be killed at the hands of the righteous. Undestand deep inside your bones that God does not have chosen people, God did not promise you a plot of land someplace, God does not have a pre-ordained place in the pantheon for you.
Last but not least. God does not approve of what a shithole the palestenians and israelis have turned the holy land into.
" The money that Arafat has HE TOOK FROM THE PA."
/. page all evil things that the isralies do too.
OK. I understand that part.
"He is a liar and a thief."
OK I believe that.
Now please post on your
"I still applaud a positive action when I see one, regardless of motive."
I don't. If on the way to murdering somebody you helped an old lady cross the street then I would still insist that you go to jail.
"People deserve a democracy, and any step in that direction is a positive one."
Which people? The tibetians, north koreans, chinese, taiwanese, east timorese, saudi arabians, iranians, palestenians, africans from all over? I think what you meant to say was that people with oil who don't contribute to US campaigns deserve democracy right?
I mean your /. profile.
In it you slam the palestenians for supporting terrorist attacks and you slam Arafat for stealing money. You are one sided because you do not state percentages of people in israel who are for expanding settlements, mass arrests, curfews of hundreds of thousands of people, torture, destroying houses of relatives, forced expulsions, and firing missiles into crowded cities.
I know that you are fully aware of the level of hatred that exists inside of Israel for palestenians and arabs just as I am aware of the level of hatred that exists inside of arab lands for israel. Because I am not a jew, arab or a muslim I can see both sides of debate. You can only see one side of the debate.
I don't know the full details of your charges against Arafat but it does not strike me as being out of line. If he did have that much money under his control I imagine he tried to shield it from freezing by the Israeli or US governments. Maybe he did this as a result of being shelled by the Israeli army when they invaded his town and laid a siege to his compound. I do recall Sharon stating that he intended to kill Arafat many times. If I was arafat and sharon said he was going to kill me I would have believed him, wouldn't you?
As I said before. Arafat is a terrorist. He should be arrested and tried under international laws. He should be jailed if he is found guilty. Same with Sharon.
The ugly truth is that neither one of these people want peace and peace will not come as long as both of these people are alive. Furthermore peace will not come until both the israelis and palestenians learn to stop hating each other. The real danger is that after both of these evil people are gone even more hateful people will replace them. I can just see a world where arafat dies and the PA is replaced by hamas and sharon is replaced by netanyahu. Can you even imagine the bloodbath that will follow?
"If you really cared you would be pushing/calling for the ouster/trial of Arafat for stealing so much money from a people that desperatly need the money."
I am all for it. I also believe that Sharon should be tried for war crimes. Let's do both. Let's arrest and try both Arafat and Sharon. Let's crack down on hamas, kill and arrest their leaders and at the same time let's dismantle all the settlements, tear down the fence, and give the palestenian people the freedom they deserve.
You are the one that's one sided. I do not dismiss anything the PA does but neither am I willing to give the Israeli govt a pass.
A civilized nation eventually makes the people it conquered citizens. The US did this, Russia did this, and China did this. If you gain ground in war then eventually you must assimilate the people you have conqered. The palestenians are the keep of the Israeli govt. Israel should annex the terrorotories as spoils of war and give full citizenship to everybody living there. That's how civilized nations act.
A brief visit to your homepage shows where your idealogy is at.
" Since I got that from a study the PA did on it's own finances does that mean the PA is a supporter of Zionism?"
No. The reason you are a supporter of zionism is because you only choose to advertise that fact in your signature not the horrible and cruel things Israel does to the palestenians. Sure Arafat is a thief and terrorist but sharon is no better. In fact Israel is holding on to more the 300 million in taxes collected from palestenians which it's supposed to give back.
Both the israeli govt and the palestenian govt are despicable entities who have chosen to try and torture their enemies in the slowest most painful way possible while steadfastly refusing to find a peaceful solution to their problems.
This is what happens when you let God decide your foreign policy.
" Yes, but all those countries governments have changed over time."
So what? It's still the same country isn't it? People evolve in their governemnts just like we have evolved in ours. Do you count every constitutional amendment as a new govt? Did the emancipation proclimation somehow create a brand new govt.
That's a really lame argument. By the way the original poster by the ignoramous stated "That's why the US government is now the oldest in existence, excepting some ways of looking at China and the Vatican (and some other tiny places". A statement that is wholly without factual basis.
Oh I guess that makes it alright then. As long as both sides are equally despicable everything is A-OK
"That's why the US government is now the oldest in existence"
Wow. Wuite possibly the most ignorant and wrong thing ever said on slashdot. Congratulations.
BTW it might help to read some history. You might find it interesting to know that France, England, Greece, Egypt, italy, russia and a whole slew of other countries existed before the US did.
"I do not live in America, but shouldnt there be a lot of people reporting SCO to the appropriate governmental Body that oversees frauds in the stockmarket? (SEC)"
These people are greedy and evil but they are not stupid. They are not going to break the law.
What you have to realize is that in America the laws are written by the corporate class. They allow for all kinds of sleazy things. What SCO is doing (and what Enron, Worldcom etc did) is perfectly legal.
"'Now I know it's trollish to root for MS in any case,"
Especially here where the MS fanboys and astro turfers will mod you up like crazy.
It does take a special kind of troll to suggest that MS actions and sleazeball tactics had zero effect on the demise of netscape though. Congratulations.
Go teach your children that crime does pay. Teach them that it's ok to break the law, to throw all their moral and ethical lessons out the windows and do anything they want to as long as they "win" and "laugh all the way to the bank".
No wonder kids flip out in school. The cognitive dissonance must be too much to bear. Their parents tell them to be nice and share, their churches tell them to be moral and ethical but the law and society tells them that it's OK lie, cheat and steal as long as you make lots of money.
Zionism in slashdot sigs. Yes that's what's it some down to.
" I saw that too and your not being honest. The reason he said that is because Dean is a real left-wing liberal who is taking over the Democratic party."
First of all he could have said any combination of words to describe how weak he thinks Dean will be compared to Bush. He chose to say that God was on the side of George Bush and that the Dean candidacy was proof of that.
As for the "Dean is a real left wing liberal" crap you are sprouting off it's bullshit and you know it. Dean is pro gun, pro balanced budget, pro small govt. Fiscally speaking he is more conservative then George Bush.
He is anti gay marriage but pro civil unions, He is pro choice, he is for liberalizing drug laws. It's because of these issues that the religious right calls him "left wing liberal". To them any recognition that Gay people might be human beings who deserve the same rights as you and me is offensive and of course women should aways be forced to have babies whether they want them or not.
I hope the economy continues to do better, I sure as hell can use the help after Bush fucked it up so bad, I certainly hope that it will get to where it was when Clinton left office but I don't hold high hopes for it. Last time we had deficits like this the inflation rates rose like crazy. The deficits have already had an adverse effect on the dollar let's hope it does not raise inflation rates again.
As for iraq you are kidding yourself if you think that US will pull all their troops out before the election. We have to stay for the next five to ten years no matter what happens. If the 150 thousand elite US military can't keep the peace you think a few thousand Iraqis will? Do you honestly believe that the polish army is a substitute for the US army? I think not.
besides which none of that obviates the fact that Bush lied and waged a war for personal motives and profit.
"Dean will get butchered at the poll next November."
Maybe he will. The republicans are masters at smear tactics and they have a dominant media presense which will crucify any democrat who might challange any republican. It's awful hard to counter 24 hours a day republican programming on the cable stations. They will keep repeating that George Bush is a candidate chosen by God and that Dean is a socialist traitor who hates America.
This administration has shown over and over again they they are eager to punish anybody, any organization or any country that does not toe the line. Not many members of the press can widthstand that kind of punishment.
I don't doubt that Dean has an uphill climb.
I think people overestimate the power of the internet. I heard Dick Morris say "the rise of Howard Dean is proof that God is on the side of Gearge Bush". That was on the Bill Oreilly show and Bill Just kind of nodded his head (because that's exactly how fair and balanced he is).
Here we have incontravertable proof that God himself has chosen Bush so how is the internet going to stand up to the will of God?
BTW since Dick Morris believes that God has chosen Bush does it really make sense to hear him say anything else about any candidate? God has spoken and that should be the last word right?