IF as you say "Corporations are legally required to act in the interests of their investors
" and as you say "their RTOS technology is pretty advanced, pretty stable" then why do they need to link with linux in the first place?
What do they hope to gain by linking in the linux kernel? It seems like they have good developers on hand so why don't they try to make their OS even better and leave linux out of it alltogether.
"Wind River is going to have to either release their market-leading, fairly-solid OS as GPL (not likely; not much incentive there), or else use something other than Linux. "
If this company has a good RTOS, charges big bucks for it, has a staff of developers on hand, why don't they write their own software? They obviously know how to write good software.
Consent is consent. Giving consent for one thing should in no way imply consent for something else. Maybe my car analogy was faulty but your is too.
The discoveries could be made with consent as well. Why don't they just ask? what is the harm?
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Again this is false. Once the licencee actually has the data it can split and use the data any way it wants.
All iceland can do is to sue them. if they sue them in Iceland the company has nothing to worry about they just split. If Iceland pursues the case and sues them in another country then they can not collect or more likely will lose the case.
Of course Iceland is likely to do neither. It costs money to sue corporations especially overseas so it will just take it's shit and eat it like any other country would. After all what's exploitation of your populace when you have lawyers to pay.
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Yes it does. In the same way that asking a 10 year girl to have sex with you does. If the subject is impaired, intimidated, or otherwise incapable of giving informed consent it's not only unethical it's illegal in most circumstances.
Just because the AMA has enough money to make their prectices legal does not mean it's ethical.
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What is the govt going to do? The company can just pull out of iceland move to the US where money grubbing politicans will do whatever they ask for in return for a small "donation".
The corporation is totally immune for any reprisal by any government.
If the research could not have been doen without your cells then yes you ought be in on the profits. Not a hundred percent but some small part.
Without your cells the doctor would have wasted 10 years studying somebody elses cells to the point of failure. This happens all the time scientists research something all their lives and end up with nothing because they were working with wrong materials or wrong ideas. If your material was the catalyst for a discovery damned straight you deserve a cut.
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I think what he means is that the consent was given for a different reason. If I give consent to give a tissue sample so the doctor can tell weather or not some thing is cancer I am NOT giving consent for any other use of that tissue.
It's like if you come to me and borrow my car I am not giving you the consent to rob a bank with it. The doctor should have to ask for consent at every step simple as that.
You want to do further research just ask I might say yes but it should be up to me not you.
BTW are you claiming that those "medical researchers" are not doctors? What kind of cars do they drive?
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"When you tell sick people that you're trying to turn their suffering into a treatment they don't ask us whether we're going to make money from it, how much it will cost or what share of the profits they're demanding. They want a world where there's a cure for their condition and they're happy to contribute."
Ask a sick person anything and they'll tell you what you want to hear especially if the asking person holds the power of life and death over them. Do you honestly think that a sick person talking to a doctor is going to tell that doctor anything that might antagonize the doctor?
"Well Gee doctor remember when you are operating on me that I think you are a money grubbing, jaguar driving, unethical bastard who is going to become a millionaire using my body parts."
get real!. The patient is so intimidated and scared by the time he/she goes to the doctor they would dance naked with chicken entrails if the doctor asked them to.
Yes but what do we do with people who are not able to differentiate between objective measurements of blood pessure and demonstrably biased "aptitude" tests?
The problem is that the tests fail to filter out those who lack even the most rudimentary reasoning skills. Somebody could do very well on the SAT and still confuse measuring a physical thing like pressure with trying to measure an abstract concept like "intelligence", "aptitude" or "ability to do well in school".
Only if we had a "aptitude" gauge wouln't that be fun (well not for you perhaps) but it would be fun for other people.
Once again I have never ever heard the CEO or vice president of any major corporation call the products of it's competitors "crumm". Never ever. I have also never ever heard the CEO or a vice president any major corporation ever talk like these guys talk. If you have quote anywhere at anytime from any higher up in any large corporation please provide a link.
He is not calling on the government to stop funding open source software because the govt doesn't do that now. He wants government to legislate to stop open source developement. Go re-read the thing.
It's very scary when very rich, very powerful and obviously very disturbed individuals start to attack individual programmers.
Notice I said Thousands of DLLs. If what you said was true only system administrators could install software because every single windows app drops at least one DLL into the WINNT hierarcy.
Start bribes (er contributions) MS makes. Then track the votes of those politicians. Create a web site for all to see. Then when the corrupt politicans introduces the bill to make open source illegal you can nail him with data. Whoever is running against him or her would love the ammunition.
But nobody has ever sued MS because their software crashed. MS will laugh it's head off if you try to hold them accountable for anything. Any CIO or CEO who actually is under the delusion that MS can be held liable for anything is dumber then Dubya and Allchin combined.
Look at jabber. It's the most innovative thing I have seen in ages. Jabber may have started off as an instant messaging project but it's really a router for XML. Imagine the possibilities of that!.
Other innovative open source projects are.
Enhydra, zope, postgressql.
Postgres especially has features no other database vendor has even thought of. User defined operators, loadable SP languages, TOAST etc.
Even KDE and GNOME are innovative in their own right. Is windows skinnable? is the MAC? Who thought of that first?
Look at BSD ports system, apt-get, hell look at perl and python.
Open source is where the innovation is really taking place.
Let's see if the acamedia condemns exploitation of the poor then they are bad but if it praises greed, corruption, profiteering then it's good. I get it now.
This article is just full of ignorant shit. He clearly has no clue what poverty is and it goes downhill from there.
Nike perpetuates poverty by hiring children. Children who work 12 hours a day don't get educated. Nike should be a human about it and hire the adults to do the work so that the children can go to school. If nike refused to hire children the country would be better off.
Nike likes to hire 14 year old girls because
1) they are less likely to be rebellious and more likely to do what they are told.
2) they will work for less money.
3) are probably pretty good lays for when the CEO comes to visit.
You seem to be underestimating the power of corporations to create abject poverty in the first place. Giant corporations like nike bribe officials and influence politicans to perpetuate poverty. A destitute population is willing to work for pennies a day and nike does everything it can to keep the country destitute.
Has this ever happened? Firestone killed hundreds of people but who went to jail? Some chemical company (I forget their name) killed hundreds of people in india who went to jail?
Corporation is best way to shirk your personal responsibility.
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IF as you say "Corporations are legally required to act in the interests of their investors
" and as you say "their RTOS technology is pretty advanced, pretty stable" then why do they need to link with linux in the first place?
What do they hope to gain by linking in the linux kernel? It seems like they have good developers on hand so why don't they try to make their OS even better and leave linux out of it alltogether.
"Wind River is going to have to either release their market-leading, fairly-solid OS as GPL (not likely; not much incentive there), or else use something other than Linux. "
If this company has a good RTOS, charges big bucks for it, has a staff of developers on hand, why don't they write their own software? They obviously know how to write good software.
"BTW: there are (at least) three more protocols out there that no one has looked at yet ...."
Well spill the beans man we are waiting.
Right they are smart enough not to do in public in front of the press no less. Just goes to show how incredibly stupid MS executives are.
Consent is consent. Giving consent for one thing should in no way imply consent for something else. Maybe my car analogy was faulty but your is too.
The discoveries could be made with consent as well. Why don't they just ask? what is the harm?
Again this is false. Once the licencee actually has the data it can split and use the data any way it wants.
All iceland can do is to sue them. if they sue them in Iceland the company has nothing to worry about they just split. If Iceland pursues the case and sues them in another country then they can not collect or more likely will lose the case.
Of course Iceland is likely to do neither. It costs money to sue corporations especially overseas so it will just take it's shit and eat it like any other country would. After all what's exploitation of your populace when you have lawyers to pay.
Proximotron rocks. I would never surf without it.
Yes it does. In the same way that asking a 10 year girl to have sex with you does. If the subject is impaired, intimidated, or otherwise incapable of giving informed consent it's not only unethical it's illegal in most circumstances.
Just because the AMA has enough money to make their prectices legal does not mean it's ethical.
What is the govt going to do? The company can just pull out of iceland move to the US where money grubbing politicans will do whatever they ask for in return for a small "donation".
The corporation is totally immune for any reprisal by any government.
If the research could not have been doen without your cells then yes you ought be in on the profits. Not a hundred percent but some small part.
Without your cells the doctor would have wasted 10 years studying somebody elses cells to the point of failure. This happens all the time scientists research something all their lives and end up with nothing because they were working with wrong materials or wrong ideas. If your material was the catalyst for a discovery damned straight you deserve a cut.
I think what he means is that the consent was given for a different reason. If I give consent to give a tissue sample so the doctor can tell weather or not some thing is cancer I am NOT giving consent for any other use of that tissue.
It's like if you come to me and borrow my car I am not giving you the consent to rob a bank with it. The doctor should have to ask for consent at every step simple as that.
You want to do further research just ask I might say yes but it should be up to me not you.
BTW are you claiming that those "medical researchers" are not doctors? What kind of cars do they drive?
"When you tell sick people that you're trying to turn their suffering into a treatment they don't ask us whether we're going to make money from it, how much it will cost or what share of the profits they're demanding. They want a world where there's a cure for their condition and they're happy to contribute."
Ask a sick person anything and they'll tell you what you want to hear especially if the asking person holds the power of life and death over them. Do you honestly think that a sick person talking to a doctor is going to tell that doctor anything that might antagonize the doctor?
"Well Gee doctor remember when you are operating on me that I think you are a money grubbing, jaguar driving, unethical bastard who is going to become a millionaire using my body parts."
get real!. The patient is so intimidated and scared by the time he/she goes to the doctor they would dance naked with chicken entrails if the doctor asked them to.
Yes but what do we do with people who are not able to differentiate between objective measurements of blood pessure and demonstrably biased "aptitude" tests?
The problem is that the tests fail to filter out those who lack even the most rudimentary reasoning skills. Somebody could do very well on the SAT and still confuse measuring a physical thing like pressure with trying to measure an abstract concept like "intelligence", "aptitude" or "ability to do well in school".
Only if we had a "aptitude" gauge wouln't that be fun (well not for you perhaps) but it would be fun for other people.
Once again I have never ever heard the CEO or vice president of any major corporation call the products of it's competitors "crumm". Never ever. I have also never ever heard the CEO or a vice president any major corporation ever talk like these guys talk. If you have quote anywhere at anytime from any higher up in any large corporation please provide a link.
He is not calling on the government to stop funding open source software because the govt doesn't do that now. He wants government to legislate to stop open source developement. Go re-read the thing.
It's very scary when very rich, very powerful and obviously very disturbed individuals start to attack individual programmers.
Notice I said Thousands of DLLs. If what you said was true only system administrators could install software because every single windows app drops at least one DLL into the WINNT hierarcy.
Start bribes (er contributions) MS makes. Then track the votes of those politicians. Create a web site for all to see. Then when the corrupt politicans introduces the bill to make open source illegal you can nail him with data. Whoever is running against him or her would love the ammunition.
But nobody has ever sued MS because their software crashed. MS will laugh it's head off if you try to hold them accountable for anything. Any CIO or CEO who actually is under the delusion that MS can be held liable for anything is dumber then Dubya and Allchin combined.
Look at jabber. It's the most innovative thing I have seen in ages. Jabber may have started off as an instant messaging project but it's really a router for XML. Imagine the possibilities of that!.
Other innovative open source projects are.
Enhydra, zope, postgressql.
Postgres especially has features no other database vendor has even thought of. User defined operators, loadable SP languages, TOAST etc.
Even KDE and GNOME are innovative in their own right. Is windows skinnable? is the MAC? Who thought of that first?
Look at BSD ports system, apt-get, hell look at perl and python.
Open source is where the innovation is really taking place.
Oooph redbaiting. I thought that went out in the fifties.
Let's see if the acamedia condemns exploitation of the poor then they are bad but if it praises greed, corruption, profiteering then it's good. I get it now.
This article is just full of ignorant shit. He clearly has no clue what poverty is and it goes downhill from there.
Nike perpetuates poverty by hiring children. Children who work 12 hours a day don't get educated. Nike should be a human about it and hire the adults to do the work so that the children can go to school. If nike refused to hire children the country would be better off.
Nike likes to hire 14 year old girls because
1) they are less likely to be rebellious and more likely to do what they are told.
2) they will work for less money.
3) are probably pretty good lays for when the CEO comes to visit.
You seem to be underestimating the power of corporations to create abject poverty in the first place. Giant corporations like nike bribe officials and influence politicans to perpetuate poverty. A destitute population is willing to work for pennies a day and nike does everything it can to keep the country destitute.
The heritage foundation now there is an unbiased group who you can trust to give you honest answers. NOT!!!
The heritage foundation is nothing but a fund raising arm of the Republican party.
Has this ever happened? Firestone killed hundreds of people but who went to jail? Some chemical company (I forget their name) killed hundreds of people in india who went to jail?
Corporation is best way to shirk your personal responsibility.
That's what happens when you elect a crappy singer to congress.