I understand what you're saying; correlation does not imply causation. To explain my intended point using your analogy, it would be like my entire neighborhood showed up to Dairy Queen and all ate the Dilly Bars and got a similar illness. We all agreed it must have been the food because how else could so many people have the same experience from the same activity? After going to the doctor, we found out we all had a preexisting condition exacerbated by milk and the Kardashian family. Even if we hadn't eaten the Dilly Bars, Kim Kardashian was guaranteed to make us sick given her pictures are freaking everywhere. All I was trying to say was given the multitude of people experiencing the problem on the exact same day as the shots, it's very easy to fall prey to suspecting the vaccines when no other explanation can be easily found. If science can adequately answer the timing paradox, it would help the parents that experienced it to change their views.
Before I start, I am not an antivaxxer but I do believe them to be one of many immune system stressors that help trigger an auto-immune disorder called NIDS (Neuro-Immune Dysfunction Syndromes) that makes kids "act" autistic. In other words, autism would happen with or without the vaccines but in my son's case the vaccine was the last thing to occur before the knock-out punch happened. This happens so often, it's why the vaccines get blamed despite whatever study results are posted.
My son developed normally until 18 months and then shut down the evening of his MMR. He also had two additional vaccines that day along with it. This was years before anyone talked about autism vs vaccines. That night he behaved like he had the flu (but this was in August) and his personality was different which is normal when you feel like crap. We called the doctor and she said he probably had a mild reaction to it and it should pass otherwise come back in. The flu like symptoms went away but his bubbly personality was gone and he was now sensitive to sounds. His stats were normal so the doctor sent us to some specialists to try to help us figure out what was going on. To make a long story short, it took 5 long years to get an autism diagnosis. A similar situation occurred to an old classmate of mine with his step-son. At the time we were convinced it was the vaccines because it was the last thing that changed before he "turned off". We hit the internet and found a doctor in Tarzana, CA (Dr. Michael Goldberg) that spoke to Congress about the rising rates of autism. He explained that traditional autism is a neurological disorder so it is unlikely the cause of the increase that is seen. It makes more sense for it to be viral and there is a type of herpes that lives in the brain in most of the population (HHV6 and HHV7). The thought is the immune system goes sideways and the virus that normally coexists starts to affect the temporal lobe where it lives and then comedy ensues. My son's HHV6 levels were 300% higher than normal levels. Dr. Goldberg prescribed Kutapressin (the old school anti-herpes medicine) and his autistic symptoms decreased along with the levels. Unfortunately, the immune system has to win the battle on it's own and auto-immune disorders don't always give up easily so my son is now improved to moderate on the spectrum. A couple of my son's classmates and my coworkers daughter have completely snapped out of autism which should be impossible if it's a neurological disorder but makes sense if it's viral and the immune system was able to find a way to co-exist with the virus again.
Anyway, I wrote this because when families see their kids turn off just after the MMR shot it's hard to wrap your brain around why science is saying the two aren't even loosely related. To add insult to injury, you have people on the outside of your Hell mocking you because you say you saw what you saw. If that's you, hopefully you can now see how what you saw and what science is saying can both be true.
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I understand what you're saying; correlation does not imply causation. To explain my intended point using your analogy, it would be like my entire neighborhood showed up to Dairy Queen and all ate the Dilly Bars and got a similar illness. We all agreed it must have been the food because how else could so many people have the same experience from the same activity? After going to the doctor, we found out we all had a preexisting condition exacerbated by milk and the Kardashian family. Even if we hadn't eaten the Dilly Bars, Kim Kardashian was guaranteed to make us sick given her pictures are freaking everywhere. All I was trying to say was given the multitude of people experiencing the problem on the exact same day as the shots, it's very easy to fall prey to suspecting the vaccines when no other explanation can be easily found. If science can adequately answer the timing paradox, it would help the parents that experienced it to change their views.
Before I start, I am not an antivaxxer but I do believe them to be one of many immune system stressors that help trigger an auto-immune disorder called NIDS (Neuro-Immune Dysfunction Syndromes) that makes kids "act" autistic. In other words, autism would happen with or without the vaccines but in my son's case the vaccine was the last thing to occur before the knock-out punch happened. This happens so often, it's why the vaccines get blamed despite whatever study results are posted. My son developed normally until 18 months and then shut down the evening of his MMR. He also had two additional vaccines that day along with it. This was years before anyone talked about autism vs vaccines. That night he behaved like he had the flu (but this was in August) and his personality was different which is normal when you feel like crap. We called the doctor and she said he probably had a mild reaction to it and it should pass otherwise come back in. The flu like symptoms went away but his bubbly personality was gone and he was now sensitive to sounds. His stats were normal so the doctor sent us to some specialists to try to help us figure out what was going on. To make a long story short, it took 5 long years to get an autism diagnosis. A similar situation occurred to an old classmate of mine with his step-son. At the time we were convinced it was the vaccines because it was the last thing that changed before he "turned off". We hit the internet and found a doctor in Tarzana, CA (Dr. Michael Goldberg) that spoke to Congress about the rising rates of autism. He explained that traditional autism is a neurological disorder so it is unlikely the cause of the increase that is seen. It makes more sense for it to be viral and there is a type of herpes that lives in the brain in most of the population (HHV6 and HHV7). The thought is the immune system goes sideways and the virus that normally coexists starts to affect the temporal lobe where it lives and then comedy ensues. My son's HHV6 levels were 300% higher than normal levels. Dr. Goldberg prescribed Kutapressin (the old school anti-herpes medicine) and his autistic symptoms decreased along with the levels. Unfortunately, the immune system has to win the battle on it's own and auto-immune disorders don't always give up easily so my son is now improved to moderate on the spectrum. A couple of my son's classmates and my coworkers daughter have completely snapped out of autism which should be impossible if it's a neurological disorder but makes sense if it's viral and the immune system was able to find a way to co-exist with the virus again. Anyway, I wrote this because when families see their kids turn off just after the MMR shot it's hard to wrap your brain around why science is saying the two aren't even loosely related. To add insult to injury, you have people on the outside of your Hell mocking you because you say you saw what you saw. If that's you, hopefully you can now see how what you saw and what science is saying can both be true.