NO matter how much code you still from someone you still need to be able to implement it properly. The same goes with ideas (note "re-inventing the wheel").
It would be better for consumers and coders alike if we all didn't spend so much time holding our cards close to our chests.
Trying to control information and claim rights to it because you are the first person to think of it is futile and dare I say wrong. If we had dealt responsibly with the leaps in technology when they happened then this would be moot.
However, we did not.
If you are first to put a product on the market you still get to ride the wave. I takes time for someone to develop a product that is similar UNLESS they were already building it.
This is another way for people who don't really do anything except slow the flow of information down to benefit without serious work or bringing anything to the table themselves. No one can win from this except the lawyers.
Sorry... they are imaginative innovators. They never cease to amaze me with the creative ways in which they coerce us into hurting each other for their profit.
I appologize to anyone this offends, it is not my intent.
SO your the code monkey building a site FOR someone.
This guy is saying that the state of the Internet is your fault (for the record, I think this guy is a knob/troll). You have written non-standard code in order to achieve cross-browser compatibility. So therefore YOU are the one who has messed up by not supporting the standards and stopping access to 75% to 85% of the market who use "non-standards compliant" browsers (as none of the modern browsers is FULLY compliant).
We, as devs, can't say to Time/Warner (who ownes AOL, who ownes Netscape) and MS to get their collective S$#T together and become W3C and DOM compliant WITHOUT forcing the use of proprietary coding conventions (the afore mentioned "which browser are you" decision trees). It's the consumer that has to yell at them. I would LOVE to see this happen.
However, it seems to me that this guy has some VERY mis-directed anger towards Web-App Devs. We don't make the market or the standards. We just try to make a nice seemless transition for all the customers out there. GOD I would LOVE to say to everyone who came to my site "Bugger-off until your browser is compliant", but that isn't gonna happen by pointing the finger at me and saying that it's all my fault. I can make all the suggestions I want to my clients, but if "backwards-compatibility" is what they want it's what they get.
My point exactly! I am in fact non-l33t, however my good friend I am not a noob. My first computer was an XT. The first network I managed was JaNET based. There was no WWW back then.
It does however strike me as funny that you prove my point that the only people you "impress" with your "knowledge" are people who take the time to learn a useless language. The hilarity does not stop there though, because now you are trying to imply that you are just misunderstood by the "man" and so are some "underground"/"rebel-without-a-clue" type. EXCEPT that the reason you are misunderstood is because you CHOOSE to use the afore mentioned confusing/misused language.
*sigh* It seems, however that my argument is lost on one so young. Ah well, on to better things.
I understand that there are movements in every "group" to create an "insider" understanding of things that validates "expertise" via confusing or misused language(see l33t, but I would suggest that this is not serving the interests of better communication, but rather impeding it instead.
I'm not really sure what this is "saying" about myself, but then I'm not really that curious about it either. 80)
What you are saying is does not make any sense to me. SciFi is a contracted version of the phrase Science Fiction.
'Science' Fiction consists of anything to do with 'Science' that is written in a fantastical setting as opposed to Popular Science or the like which is Science NON-Fiction. Science != Space (is not equal to).
Occult movies and shows are the ones that have no business on the SciFi channel. Angel and Buffy for example, or the Highlander. No Science there at all. So I aggree that the channel has drifted from it's stated purpose already.
In Canada we have a 'Space' Channel that is pretty much the same and just as frustrating.
Just to be clear. There is NO corporation that "owns" the game format. Baseball is free. Punishing web sites for reproducing information on current events (like newspapers do in their sports section) is beyond ridiculously stupid.
I just thank god I am not a fan of the sport and will be glad when they go too far and the sport dies. These guys have raped the public over their love of the sport until it has made them sour. Hopefully this will save sports like Hockey from self-destructing as well.
Baseball is leading the way down this path, but Basketball and Football are following close behind. Look at Basketball for example. It was invented in Canada and is probably the least popular sport ntionally. The strike they had was the final straw in Vancouver that made the Grizzlies have to go looking elsewhere for fans.
Sports fans are like beaten spouses, they just keep appologizing for their abusers because they love them too much until one day they go too far and everyone loses.
Greedy owners and orgs beware! We may not have your money individually, but together we do AND we out number you. Hopefully we won't outnumber you in the stands anymore and that will start to make the message sink in.
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The saying was based on planet populations and reproductive rates of people back in Barnum's day. Perhaps if we had THAT data we could extrapolate the current rate of suckers... I will look into this further and get back to you with my results.
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I used to be proud to be a geek (1987 when I broke into my school's small network of PCjr's run on a JANET Network just to prove I could, and play games of course). I relished the idea of figuring things out. Hacking for the sake of challenging myself. I enjoyed the ordered logic of the world of computers. It was a place where I could be logical and straight forward and no one took offence or suggested that I was "socially uncool" or some other such dribble.
Today's hacking community largely, I say largely NOT completely, consists of people who have seen Hackers, Lawnmower Man, The Matrix, etc. or have read Snowcrash, The Long Run, or Neuromancer. These people suggest that there is some sort of romance to computing. That in some way it is "cool". I am offended by this! These were fun and interesting sorts of literature, but they are based on a the "Football Jock" and "Class President"'s view of computers, NOT reality.
Yeah I used to proud to be a geek, but now when I say that people think I'm trying to be cool and that MAKES ME SICK! It's too bad that what was once a community of people just interested in expanding their minds and that of others in figuring out problems and "sharing" the solutions with those that helped them has turned into a bunch of people who's only commonality is that they use a slang form of language that is designed purely to make them look "cool".
Yeah, I used to be proud to be a geek, but I'm afraid I'm just not "cool" enough to be one. I am truly sorry if this offends any of my "actual" peers, but I suppose I am just tired of being associated with this "new" breed of geeks. I just like the ordered world of 0 or 1. It WAS soooo peaceful there. Sad... VERY sad.
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NO matter how much code you still from someone you still need to be able to implement it properly. The same goes with ideas (note "re-inventing the wheel").
... they are imaginative innovators. They never cease to amaze me with the creative ways in which they coerce us into hurting each other for their profit.
It would be better for consumers and coders alike if we all didn't spend so much time holding our cards close to our chests.
Trying to control information and claim rights to it because you are the first person to think of it is futile and dare I say wrong. If we had dealt responsibly with the leaps in technology when they happened then this would be moot.
However, we did not.
If you are first to put a product on the market you still get to ride the wave. I takes time for someone to develop a product that is similar UNLESS they were already building it.
This is another way for people who don't really do anything except slow the flow of information down to benefit without serious work or bringing anything to the table themselves. No one can win from this except the lawyers.
Sorry
I appologize to anyone this offends, it is not my intent.
*puts on fire suit and braces for impact*
To clarify: "this guy" in my previous post refers to the person who wrote the topic article NOT the post Iam responding to.
SO your the code monkey building a site FOR someone.
This guy is saying that the state of the Internet is your fault (for the record, I think this guy is a knob/troll). You have written non-standard code in order to achieve cross-browser compatibility. So therefore YOU are the one who has messed up by not supporting the standards and stopping access to 75% to 85% of the market who use "non-standards compliant" browsers (as none of the modern browsers is FULLY compliant).
We, as devs, can't say to Time/Warner (who ownes AOL, who ownes Netscape) and MS to get their collective S$#T together and become W3C and DOM compliant WITHOUT forcing the use of proprietary coding conventions (the afore mentioned "which browser are you" decision trees). It's the consumer that has to yell at them. I would LOVE to see this happen.
However, it seems to me that this guy has some VERY mis-directed anger towards Web-App Devs. We don't make the market or the standards. We just try to make a nice seemless transition for all the customers out there. GOD I would LOVE to say to everyone who came to my site "Bugger-off until your browser is compliant", but that isn't gonna happen by pointing the finger at me and saying that it's all my fault. I can make all the suggestions I want to my clients, but if "backwards-compatibility" is what they want it's what they get.
from: a Web-guy who likes to stay employed.
My point exactly! I am in fact non-l33t, however my good friend I am not a noob. My first computer was an XT. The first network I managed was JaNET based. There was no WWW back then.
It does however strike me as funny that you prove my point that the only people you "impress" with your "knowledge" are people who take the time to learn a useless language. The hilarity does not stop there though, because now you are trying to imply that you are just misunderstood by the "man" and so are some "underground"/"rebel-without-a-clue" type. EXCEPT that the reason you are misunderstood is because you CHOOSE to use the afore mentioned confusing/misused language.
*sigh* It seems, however that my argument is lost on one so young. Ah well, on to better things.
I would say rather that it has evolved for a select group of people. It has remained for the rest of us what it was (see links below).
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=SciFi
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=sci-fi (sorry only the hyphenated version here)
I understand that there are movements in every "group" to create an "insider" understanding of things that validates "expertise" via confusing or misused language(see l33t, but I would suggest that this is not serving the interests of better communication, but rather impeding it instead.
I'm not really sure what this is "saying" about myself, but then I'm not really that curious about it either. 80)
What you are saying is does not make any sense to me. SciFi is a contracted version of the phrase Science Fiction.
'Science' Fiction consists of anything to do with 'Science' that is written in a fantastical setting as opposed to Popular Science or the like which is Science NON-Fiction. Science != Space (is not equal to).
Occult movies and shows are the ones that have no business on the SciFi channel. Angel and Buffy for example, or the Highlander. No Science there at all. So I aggree that the channel has drifted from it's stated purpose already.
In Canada we have a 'Space' Channel that is pretty much the same and just as frustrating.
Just to be clear. There is NO corporation that "owns" the game format. Baseball is free. Punishing web sites for reproducing information on current events (like newspapers do in their sports section) is beyond ridiculously stupid.
I just thank god I am not a fan of the sport and will be glad when they go too far and the sport dies. These guys have raped the public over their love of the sport until it has made them sour. Hopefully this will save sports like Hockey from self-destructing as well.
Baseball is leading the way down this path, but Basketball and Football are following close behind. Look at Basketball for example. It was invented in Canada and is probably the least popular sport ntionally. The strike they had was the final straw in Vancouver that made the Grizzlies have to go looking elsewhere for fans.
Sports fans are like beaten spouses, they just keep appologizing for their abusers because they love them too much until one day they go too far and everyone loses.
Greedy owners and orgs beware! We may not have your money individually, but together we do AND we out number you. Hopefully we won't outnumber you in the stands anymore and that will start to make the message sink in.
OMFG that is funny!! Good one!
The saying was based on planet populations and reproductive rates of people back in Barnum's day. Perhaps if we had THAT data we could extrapolate the current rate of suckers ... I will look into this further and get back to you with my results.
I used to be proud to be a geek (1987 when I broke into my school's small network of PCjr's run on a JANET Network just to prove I could, and play games of course). I relished the idea of figuring things out. Hacking for the sake of challenging myself. I enjoyed the ordered logic of the world of computers. It was a place where I could be logical and straight forward and no one took offence or suggested that I was "socially uncool" or some other such dribble.
... VERY sad.
Today's hacking community largely, I say largely NOT completely, consists of people who have seen Hackers, Lawnmower Man, The Matrix, etc. or have read Snowcrash, The Long Run, or Neuromancer. These people suggest that there is some sort of romance to computing. That in some way it is "cool". I am offended by this! These were fun and interesting sorts of literature, but they are based on a the "Football Jock" and "Class President"'s view of computers, NOT reality.
Yeah I used to proud to be a geek, but now when I say that people think I'm trying to be cool and that MAKES ME SICK! It's too bad that what was once a community of people just interested in expanding their minds and that of others in figuring out problems and "sharing" the solutions with those that helped them has turned into a bunch of people who's only commonality is that they use a slang form of language that is designed purely to make them look "cool".
Yeah, I used to be proud to be a geek, but I'm afraid I'm just not "cool" enough to be one. I am truly sorry if this offends any of my "actual" peers, but I suppose I am just tired of being associated with this "new" breed of geeks. I just like the ordered world of 0 or 1. It WAS soooo peaceful there. Sad