... if you break the speed limit, it's not illegal. A policeman who watches you do it may charge you with dangerous driving, but the act of speeding is not illegal. Our highway code (dunno about the US) is just a protocol for travelling on the roads.
What I'm saying is (if they did it in the uk), that the car rental place is making up its own laws and subjecting people who use their cars to them, which is wholly illegal and very unethical.
When I say 'good people' and 'bad people' I'm referring to the government and it's various agencies. People on this group seem to think they're the 'bad people' even when they'd risk their lives to save us all.
Accept my fate and die after I've lost my legs? I doubt it'd be a fatal accident (unless they took 'em off at the hips, then you're screwed), so how would you expect to be rescued if no-one knows where you are? I certainly don't want to die for the sake of not telling someone where I was, which is exactly what you would have done.
I take risks in my life. True, most times I have a safety net (but then that's just sense, not being a coward or not having courage). By your logic the Marines are cowards because they can call for extraction. Jesus.
Judging by the way you've written your reply, you're not too happy with people knowing what you do - opportunist theif? Paedophile? It sounds like you have something to hide.
True, the idea of privacy has its advantages (such as at home) but when you're out in the community it makes sense to relinquish just a little piece of 'privacy' for safety.
In this day and age, privacy is an illusion. It stopped existing the moment communications spread faster than we could. Even when you think you're not being tracked, you are. I'm no conspiracy theorist (in fact, I hate anyone who says they are:)) but if the government wants to know where we are, they will find out, whether we know it or not.
I'm just saying that if they're concerned with people crashing their cars, they shouldn't put people in them.
And I know about driving licenses etc. it just seemed that they were having problems with people damaging their cars all the time (which suggest that the people who drive them are muppets).
What if you were injured? A mutant racoon attacked you, biting off your legs. If someone knew where you were, they could come find you if you were missing/maimed by racoons.
Please don't think me rude - I'm just trying to find out the benefits of privacy. In this world, what we do isn't just our business. It's the business of the community you live in. Surely there are only disadvantages to it... or am I wrong?
You've hit the nail on the head - the remote nature of this speeding detection doesn't take into account the situation in which the speeding occurs. What if you had to accelerate to avoid something in the road (very unlikely, but it could happen) - a policeman who saw it would not do a thing, but Acme would fine your ass off. Madness.
No, it's like the publishers of the book fining you seperately for the late return of the book. The library's rules (the law) are not enforceable by the publisher (acme). Maybe they should put cameras on front of the cars to catch other speeding vehicles or jay walkers? Fuck it. Why not put a police officer in each one, write 'Police' on the side and put a spiffy blue light on the roof, and nice sirens.
Being uncontactable? In most people's cases, that means turning off your phone or going on a drive. It doesn't mean becoming as secret as a government agent, sweeping your house for bugs on a nightly basis.
I think you've got some issues you need sorting out, such as who the bad people are in this world, and who are the good people.
So if you were out on a drive in a remote part of the country and you hit a tree/fell off a cliff/blew up who would rescue you? The cops and paramedics wouldn't be able to find you, your family wouldn't know where you were.
Anyway, now that you have your privacy, what does that allow you to do that other people can't? (Please give practical answers, not X-files paranoia;))
But what about my point of if you put it on a train? You've then got rental cars trying to enforce the law on something you did hours/days previously, without witnesses (except a little box floating 20 miles above the earth). That's not enough evidence to get you convicted in a court of law, so what makes these car rental places think they can impose fines for it?
Another example: You're driving down the highway, and someone running from the cops rear-ends you - that'd make you go much faster than the speed limit.
Maybe they should put cameras in the cars and see if you do anything illegal inside, too. That would stand in a court of law.
Paranoid? What have you done to make you this paranoid? I don't do anything wrong (that can be detected by locaton;)), so I don't care who knows where I am at any one time. I don't care if the government knows where I am, or the police, or the army, or your mother.;)
It is their business when it's their car you're sitting in.
But what do you care that they know where you are? Are you that insecure that you don't want people knowing where you are? I don't give a rats ass if anyone knows where I am. Do you moan about cell phones? The government could track you through one of those...
But surely GPS data is circumstantial evidence that a person has infringed the highway code by speeding? Fair enough if a policeman tracks my car with a laser/radar gun - that's his job. True, the rental car companies have a right to protect their cars, but speeding is nothing to do with them. What if you put your car on a train? Perfectly legal manouevre, but their data would track the car doing 125mph+, and probably fine you a shedload. If a policeman saw you doing that, he wouldn't care.
Can you grow up please? 'Windoze'? Do you think people will take Mac zealots seriously if you act like children, resorting to name-calling in order to make yourself look clever? Give us a break.
Moving to the point in hand, Apple has not won the culture war. Macs are still used by people who haven't fully grasped what a computer can do for them, or graphic designers trying to look bohemian in their South-London new media company.
Developers, however, who need stable hardware and software, more than one button on their mice, and decent development tools would steer clear of a Mac, as it can provide none of these. Maybe now that OSX has inherited the Unix name this will change? I doubt it. Expensive hardware that puts aesthetics over operational stability will never fair well for developers.
What they do is use the GPS position log and see if the car goes faster than the speed limit (speed=distance/time - they have the last two on log). Which strikes me as being slightly nasty, as it's the police's job to enforce speed limits, not Hertz.
Next we'll have Budget Rent-a-car running ambulance services, or Alamo driving troops into Iraq...
Who cares if Rental car places know where you're going? It's not like that hurts you in any way whatsoever, while it gives the company extra security, so you don't go driving your car down to Tijuana to sell it for vicadin.
Spot on. I say this to all those who don't want to be scanned by these cameras - stop being the person the cops are looking for, and it'll all work out.
They're expecting to live in a free society, with no police, and no violence. Are they mad? Probably...
I'm pretty sure it is called prior restraint (still not 100% sure) - you have the right to say whatever you want, but if it causes a backlash, it's your problem. The government can't step in and say 'Oh! That's gonna cause problems. You'd better not say that.' I think most people don't just want free-speech, but retribution-free-speech. The children.
And I'm beginning to think this whole idea of online privacy is fundamentally bollocks.
I don't give a rats ass who knows where I surf. And I don't care about spam. Sure, I get lots of emails a day promising my larger breasts and a huge dick, but is it really that harmful?
I think most people on the net should grow up and realise that there's no such thing as a free lunch. You want access to a world-wide network? You're gonna pay.
The purpose of this message is not to incite a flame-war, but just me venting my annoyance at pretentious, conceited people harping on about how they're having their privacy infringed by companies who see where they go. Jesus. Wake up. They're not trying to find out where you catch your bus to blow you up. They're not trying to find out where your children go to school and napalm them, or fit a bomb to your wife's favourite shoe shop.
So this guy makes a service where you can say anything you want to anyone, and remain anonymous, with the only traceable party being this guy. And he didn't expect retribution? So if I post to alt.we.like.dubya and say 'George W Bush is gonna get a nailgun to the head tomorrow' using this anonymous service, of course the CIA/FBI/NSA/NRA/ICI/K-mart is going to go running straight to this guy and break his balls. And the same thing would happen if someone wrote in alt.fanatical.gunmen that some Islamic Fundamentalist with a penchant for semtex-and-busloads-of-Israelis-related hijinx is a silly twat, some gun-totin' camelmastah is gonna come running to the only traceable source of the message - this guy. What did he expect?
Of course I don't condone violence, but when you allow someone the right to say whatever they want, you're giving them the right to say something that could REALLY piss someone off. Say it, and you're gonna have to put up with the consequences. It's called prior restraint or something, isn't it? (I'm no lawyer - honest).
If I've offended anyone, then I'm sorry. If you're angry at me, that's fine. I understood that posting this would possibly cause people to not like my ideas, but I won't be crying when a fatwa is imposed on me.
That makes no sense at all. In case you haven't realised, you're living in the real world. If you want security, you have to relinquish some freedom. That's how it works. Otherwise, everyone would be walking around free and secure, which they're not.
You are sooo paranoid I feel sorry for you. You're suggesting something that has no benefit to anyone at all, whereas Smart Tags (while you may find them intrusive) actually have a pretty good use. Microsoft aren't out to steal your mind, but to make money. They're really good at that, you aren't. Jealous?;)
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What I'm saying is (if they did it in the uk), that the car rental place is making up its own laws and subjecting people who use their cars to them, which is wholly illegal and very unethical.
Accept my fate and die after I've lost my legs? I doubt it'd be a fatal accident (unless they took 'em off at the hips, then you're screwed), so how would you expect to be rescued if no-one knows where you are? I certainly don't want to die for the sake of not telling someone where I was, which is exactly what you would have done.
I take risks in my life. True, most times I have a safety net (but then that's just sense, not being a coward or not having courage). By your logic the Marines are cowards because they can call for extraction. Jesus.
Judging by the way you've written your reply, you're not too happy with people knowing what you do - opportunist theif? Paedophile? It sounds like you have something to hide.
True, the idea of privacy has its advantages (such as at home) but when you're out in the community it makes sense to relinquish just a little piece of 'privacy' for safety.
In this day and age, privacy is an illusion. It stopped existing the moment communications spread faster than we could. Even when you think you're not being tracked, you are. I'm no conspiracy theorist (in fact, I hate anyone who says they are :)) but if the government wants to know where we are, they will find out, whether we know it or not.
And I know about driving licenses etc. it just seemed that they were having problems with people damaging their cars all the time (which suggest that the people who drive them are muppets).
I guess that if someone wants something so detrimental to their well being, they should be allowed it.
Coors light? That's a beer? I thought it was a diet lemonade or something...
Please don't think me rude - I'm just trying to find out the benefits of privacy. In this world, what we do isn't just our business. It's the business of the community you live in. Surely there are only disadvantages to it... or am I wrong?
You've hit the nail on the head - the remote nature of this speeding detection doesn't take into account the situation in which the speeding occurs. What if you had to accelerate to avoid something in the road (very unlikely, but it could happen) - a policeman who saw it would not do a thing, but Acme would fine your ass off. Madness.
Cut him some slack - he's Texan :)
No, it's like the publishers of the book fining you seperately for the late return of the book. The library's rules (the law) are not enforceable by the publisher (acme). Maybe they should put cameras on front of the cars to catch other speeding vehicles or jay walkers? Fuck it. Why not put a police officer in each one, write 'Police' on the side and put a spiffy blue light on the roof, and nice sirens.
Speeding doesn't necessarily mean bad driving. In fact, most people who speed don't get in accidents when they are speeding.
I think you've got some issues you need sorting out, such as who the bad people are in this world, and who are the good people.
So if you were out on a drive in a remote part of the country and you hit a tree/fell off a cliff/blew up who would rescue you? The cops and paramedics wouldn't be able to find you, your family wouldn't know where you were.
Anyway, now that you have your privacy, what does that allow you to do that other people can't? (Please give practical answers, not X-files paranoia ;))
Another example: You're driving down the highway, and someone running from the cops rear-ends you - that'd make you go much faster than the speed limit.
Maybe they should put cameras in the cars and see if you do anything illegal inside, too. That would stand in a court of law.
Paranoid? What have you done to make you this paranoid? I don't do anything wrong (that can be detected by locaton ;)), so I don't care who knows where I am at any one time. I don't care if the government knows where I am, or the police, or the army, or your mother. ;)
But what do you care that they know where you are? Are you that insecure that you don't want people knowing where you are? I don't give a rats ass if anyone knows where I am. Do you moan about cell phones? The government could track you through one of those...
You can take privacy too far.
But surely GPS data is circumstantial evidence that a person has infringed the highway code by speeding? Fair enough if a policeman tracks my car with a laser/radar gun - that's his job. True, the rental car companies have a right to protect their cars, but speeding is nothing to do with them. What if you put your car on a train? Perfectly legal manouevre, but their data would track the car doing 125mph+, and probably fine you a shedload. If a policeman saw you doing that, he wouldn't care.
Moving to the point in hand, Apple has not won the culture war. Macs are still used by people who haven't fully grasped what a computer can do for them, or graphic designers trying to look bohemian in their South-London new media company.
Developers, however, who need stable hardware and software, more than one button on their mice, and decent development tools would steer clear of a Mac, as it can provide none of these. Maybe now that OSX has inherited the Unix name this will change? I doubt it. Expensive hardware that puts aesthetics over operational stability will never fair well for developers.
Next we'll have Budget Rent-a-car running ambulance services, or Alamo driving troops into Iraq...
Who cares if Rental car places know where you're going? It's not like that hurts you in any way whatsoever, while it gives the company extra security, so you don't go driving your car down to Tijuana to sell it for vicadin.
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They're expecting to live in a free society, with no police, and no violence. Are they mad? Probably...
I'm pretty sure it is called prior restraint (still not 100% sure) - you have the right to say whatever you want, but if it causes a backlash, it's your problem. The government can't step in and say 'Oh! That's gonna cause problems. You'd better not say that.' I think most people don't just want free-speech, but retribution-free-speech. The children.
I don't give a rats ass who knows where I surf. And I don't care about spam. Sure, I get lots of emails a day promising my larger breasts and a huge dick, but is it really that harmful?
I think most people on the net should grow up and realise that there's no such thing as a free lunch. You want access to a world-wide network? You're gonna pay.
The purpose of this message is not to incite a flame-war, but just me venting my annoyance at pretentious, conceited people harping on about how they're having their privacy infringed by companies who see where they go. Jesus. Wake up. They're not trying to find out where you catch your bus to blow you up. They're not trying to find out where your children go to school and napalm them, or fit a bomb to your wife's favourite shoe shop.
So this guy makes a service where you can say anything you want to anyone, and remain anonymous, with the only traceable party being this guy. And he didn't expect retribution? So if I post to alt.we.like.dubya and say 'George W Bush is gonna get a nailgun to the head tomorrow' using this anonymous service, of course the CIA/FBI/NSA/NRA/ICI/K-mart is going to go running straight to this guy and break his balls. And the same thing would happen if someone wrote in alt.fanatical.gunmen that some Islamic Fundamentalist with a penchant for semtex-and-busloads-of-Israelis-related hijinx is a silly twat, some gun-totin' camelmastah is gonna come running to the only traceable source of the message - this guy. What did he expect?
Of course I don't condone violence, but when you allow someone the right to say whatever they want, you're giving them the right to say something that could REALLY piss someone off. Say it, and you're gonna have to put up with the consequences. It's called prior restraint or something, isn't it? (I'm no lawyer - honest).
If I've offended anyone, then I'm sorry. If you're angry at me, that's fine. I understood that posting this would possibly cause people to not like my ideas, but I won't be crying when a fatwa is imposed on me.
That makes no sense at all. In case you haven't realised, you're living in the real world. If you want security, you have to relinquish some freedom. That's how it works. Otherwise, everyone would be walking around free and secure, which they're not.
I heard they have a minisub. Just a rumour though.
You are sooo paranoid I feel sorry for you. You're suggesting something that has no benefit to anyone at all, whereas Smart Tags (while you may find them intrusive) actually have a pretty good use. Microsoft aren't out to steal your mind, but to make money. They're really good at that, you aren't. Jealous? ;)