If you need anything else like a part-time god (or devil) for one of the earths, just let me know; but bear in mind that I will be an avenging one (not negotiable).
Serious now. I have seen something quite weird with Slashdot today which never saw before: you wrote your reply hours ago, but I didn't get the warning in my RHS panel until some minutes ago?! Additionally, I have been seeing the same funny message in the lower bar during the whole day (curiously, something related to earth)?! Other than that, the site has been working fine. It was just with my account or have you also seen something like that?
To celebrate that I will not write clarifications of this kind (or;) or:) or LOL or similar next to a not-too-evident-for-everyone joke) again and to somehow address the most typical misconceptions that random fanatics might want to see in my previous comment, this is who I am:
- As clearly highlighted in my profile description, I am a man, 39 yo, heterosexual, leftist, Spaniard, white. I never post anonymously (although I am an AC, Alvaro Carballo).
- As clearly stated in my current signature, I am the sole author of anything (anywhere, anytime) done by Custom Solvers 2.0 or varocarbas.
- As clearly shown by some of my posts here (which, after being written, cannot be edited/deleted), these are my positions in some conflictive issues:
* PewDiePie is an idiot, although his video was clearly not meant seriously (neither a joke, as highlighted in some of my comments).
* I don't like Trump.
* I think that generic prejudices make no sense.
This post also describes what I will try to avoid in the future here: non-technical conversations. I am with the ACs complaining about the big number of non-technical articles! Let's make Slashdot eminently technical again!
Dear (other) AC, honestly, I am not sure about what is your exact position in this matter. At first sight, it seems that you are plainly saying what you think that I would like to read; an approach which might be used by different people to accomplish different goals. You might be an anti-feminism (third wave or modern or similar, like the presenter in that video calls it) thinking that found a new member for this anti-movement. But you might also be an insecure feminist relying on the old "let's say some words which I consider that define certain behaviour to see if that person agrees with them", living by generic labels which you assign more or less randomly by applying a few generic truths.
Either way, note that this whole pro/anti fight doesn't concern me at all. I consider everyone identical regardless of any generic feature like gender, race, nationality, etc. I don't like hypocrites, imposing attitudes, any form of fanaticism or group anything (hating, bashing, promoting, misunderstanding, etc.), but am also very tolerant and my usual behaviour is not minding what I don't like (+ quite a few exceptions, as you can see by reading some of my comments here). I don't need my position to prevail or to convince anyone about the way in which I see certain things in a specific moment of my life. I will behave in every specific situation as I consider, by trying to avoid generic ideas as much as possible.
I liked the video and its presenter. I liked the fresh air brought by a secure woman which, in principle, seems more compatible with how I see things than some generic ideas which are quite popular lately. My work (programming/engineering) is completely gender-(or any other abstract feature) neutral and will never let anyone affect it by bringing so irrelevant issues into account. I have read some curious stuff in internet and even had one incident which might be defined as this-matter-related problems; but always associated all this with ignorance- or dishonesty- or unfairness-driven (insecure) personalities. I know the kind of people and women (as such, as persons, as workers, etc.) which I like and it seems that there are lots of them.
In summary, I am sure that some people might find interesting your definition, but I personally don't care about all this. I will react exactly in the same way against anyone trying to impose generic, fanatic, dishonest, unfair, etc. nonsense to me/my work or to somehow contaminate what I do/say: zero tolerance.
Nonsense! The humans aren't the problem, but their machines. We have to let humans evolve up to pre-industrial-revolution-times and don't let them get any further than that (by killing anyone becoming intelligent enough?).
We also need other earths with parallel low-CO2 industrial revolutions to model the perfect conditions under which our industrialisation stage might have been reached.
Other than that, your idea seems promising! Why hasn't anyone started to work on it yet?
OK. Sorry about the misunderstanding, I got it completely wrong. Although you could have been a bit more clear (e.g., saying the person you were referring to, answering to my original post rather to the one complaining about the downvote, etc.).
No, you used a system against its purpose to attack a person sharing an opinion which you didn't like. You might have replied to my message, by censoring my attitude or by trying to convince me that I was wrong. But you didn't do anything of that, you modded my post down by using the moderation system as a way to punish my behaviour. If we were in the wild west, you would have shot me in the back (to defend a friend of yours).
a rude comment
Openly saying what I think is rude? Criticising a behaviour which I consider negative for this community by giving reasons (and even kudos) is rude? I think that you are looking for the word describing a person openly criticising what you did and rude isn't the best one. In fact, I don't think that there is any good word for that. There are (preventive) attacks, dismissing expressions, insults and further "resources" which some people might use to avoid an open, reason-based and face-to-face conversation where being wrong is one of the possible outputs.
attacking one of my editors
I didn't attack anyone. The sole intention of my comment was sharing what I consider best for this site (better: for the community which uses it). People thinking differently can convince me that I am wrong or even ignore my opinion, but why feeling attacked? Am I not allowed to have an opinion on this or any other issue and reasonably sharing it? Isn't this precisely the whole point of Slashdot's comment section? Should I make sure that everyone listening agree with me before opening my mouth to avoid anyone feeling attacked? Sorry, but I will not do that.
Weird that it's upsetting to people
I am not upset, although some people think that I am a bit weird. So, I guess that this one is almost kind of not completely wrong.
My post gets -1 overrated and the Bill-Cosby-wannabe above (some words, "BAH HUMBUG" and some other words) gets +5 funny! Thanks for helping readers understand my point with this new sample of moderation abuse.
Clarification for those with problems to understand context, intention, sarcasm and/or over-3-word ideas: sorry for not having included a closing smiley or LOL in my previous comment to help you understand that I was joking. How could you know it otherwise, right? Because you think that there are lots of people doing really weird things just for a change of name/colour, because Slashdot is exactly the kind of place where these people go and because I would enjoy witnessing such idiocy? (-> all this is more logical than me being joking?! Don't you think that there has to be something really wrong with someone coming to such a nonsensical conclusion? I do).
I liked your Slacker News. It was an unexpected surprise, a small detail which made me smile, pretty much the opposite than this comment. Being proud of arbitrarily misusing an over-power you have? In a site like this, where the whole moderation system was created to be as unbiased as possible? Actually these (dumb-)childish attitudes are precisely the main reason why I have stopped participating in various other social-media sites. I am exclusively interested in dealing with adults and, eventually, helping kids understand how to behave.
I haven't been participating in Slashdot for too long, but I like this community quite a lot. I will certainly continue coming here to read and post. This community is very big and strong (although might seem quite dysfunctional at first sight) to disappear or, at least, to stop being appealing to me. Even in the worst scenario, it might move somewhere else (to other site or a different company might buy this site or your company might hire other people). One thing is sure: attitudes like the one you have shown in this last post are completely against all what I will ever stand for (in Slashdot) and nothing will ever change that. You (your company or slashdot.org or whatever) only provide a place, a container, an accessory and easily-replaceable feature; you are the building where the meeting is hold, the cable through which the electricity flows, etc. You are only one of the many parts of a whole which, in case of not behaving exactly as expected, will be replaced.
I came here to read about suicides, death threats, people linking to some research about the pros/cons of a green-to-orange transition in nerd communities, etc. And then I realised about today's date and well... nice one, Slashdot! The doomsday-like alternative would have been much funnier though.
I have finished my analysis of VS 2017 much sooner than expected because of deciding to continue writing the aforementioned code with the 2012 version. Without getting a too bad impression about it, I didn't feel comfortable enough to continue; additionally, I found what IMHO is a serious issue which should be fixed right away.
As already pointed out, the modularity of 2017 is very appealing and allows a very light environment which is certainly quick; as quick as the much older and under-featured 2012. Note that, during the installation, I selected the main C#/VB.NET desktop and web options and some basic Visual C++. For me, just this issue makes this version more appealing than 2015.
In its default configuration, 2017 has much more coding helps (all the bells and whistles automatically appearing when typing or moving the mouse or similar) than 2012 and 2015. This is one of the defining features of VS with respect to other IDEs, but Microsoft might have brought things way too far on this front. Nothing of this seems to affect the VS usability (quick and responsive; additionally, all these functionalities are likely to be easily disabled) and that’s why I cannot say that is completely wrong. Small details helping to improve your coding experience are certainly nice, but including too many details which virtually nobody would ever use (e.g., showing some information when placing the cursor in certain area which can quickly be retrieved in 3 different ways) doesn't seem too logical. All this is even more relevant by bearing in mind the usual evolution of VS releases: first versions full of bugs which usually take over 1 year to be fixed. They have an excellent underlying framework (almost none of the new features since VS 2008 have improved my coding experience in a relevant way), why unnecessarily making it buggy or kind of joker-of-all-trades-master-of-none? I think that Microsoft should eminently focus on delivering reliable and bug-free versions, rather than on continue adding not-too-useful features.
In general terms, I felt quite comfortable working on VS 2017 (at least, before discovering the problem below), but by basically using it as VS 2012. Note that I continued a C# (library + console) project created in VS 2012. Right at the start, I saw a curious error-over-reporting issue: a simple 1 error in 2012 clearly stating the problem (wrong definition of a class) vs. 88 in 2017 (one for the wrongly-defined class and 87 for further references to that class). I saw also other weirdnesses like expanding a tree of sub-folders in the project window which got suddenly closed. But all these things happened just once or twice and I was kind of expecting them, so I didn't really mind any of this (on the other hand, this should be seen by Microsoft as bad news: I do expect random errors and glitches in a first VS version because this has always been the case!).
The real deal breaker was the problems with the debugger: it plainly doesn't work as it should. I tested the created-in-VS-2012-a-bit-complex code, also new-2017-extremely-simple projects and the behaviour was always quite chaotic via ignoring lines for no clear reason. For example, I usually write codes including something like string string1 = "whatever"; string1 = string1;, where the whole purpose of the second line is to hold a break-point (where I will see the string1 properties via the popup window); VS 2017 skips the break-point in this second line! And this skipping-lines behaviour occurs in other situations, what makes the whole debugging process very uncomfortable right away (I have relevant experience in different IDEs and languages, VS and C# among them; I don't need to spend even one minute to try to fully understand the unexpected behaviour of a debugger to know that I don't like it). Hopefully, this is just a buggy behaviour and Microsoft hasn't actually modified the way in which the VS debugger has always worked. Another issue I didn't like too much about debugging was the fact that the break-poin
The list in my previous comment was also meant to somehow support your point: lots of alternatives which almost nobody uses. And what happens with the country second-level domains is even worse (a descriptive but incomplete list). I am currently running some crawling bots to rank domains and have found quite a few problems on this front; in fact, they still cannot understand all the possible scenarios (after having collected over 1M domains).
There are also.eu and.asia. Additionally, the number of TLDs has become quite big and their justification unclear. How could you restrict the access to a list including.eurovision or.firestone?
I have realised that discussions are archived after around 15 days. This isn't enough time for completing the aforementioned whole code, but it should be more than enough to get a good idea about VS 2017.
I don't care too much about interface aspects, other than what has a direct influence on my coding. But I do recall that the first time I saw VS 2012 was a bit of a downer. In fact, I have never got as comfortable with it as I did with 2010 or 2008.
I have worked enough with VS to know that 7 GB isn't much. But I found kind of curious a so big value after having chosen just some basic options. In any case, all what matters is the final performance and, as explained in the second part of my comment, its behaviour on this front seems quite good: starts much quicker than 2015, even quicker than 2012 (notably older, under-featured and lighter).
In theory, newer versions should support all what was done with older ones by eventually performing some minor modifications (quick migrations or changing the.NET version associated with the given project). But I guess that it is a matter of personal taste. I prefer to mostly use just one version and, when required, newer ones.
Every new.NET/Visual Studio version brings something new which some people might find relevant and others might not. In my case, I use VS mostly for C# & VB.NET and rarely with new.NET features. Over 99% of all the code which I write in VS might be done with VS 2010 (and.NET 3.5). Sometimes, I need newer versions and plainly rely on them. For example, while contributing to the open.NET project (CoreCLR and CoreFX), I had to use VS 2015.
After testing it for some minutes, I found two interesting issues: - It loads pretty quickly. Right after restarting my computer, the fastest one is VS 2012, then 2017 and, finally, 2015. But, when executing them for a second time, 2017 becomes even faster than 2012. - It has some new project types (.NET Core and.NET Standard), which are only present in C# (no more duplication of everything C#-VB.NET?!). And here I found a not so pleasant surprise: after creating a new.NET Standard project and the opening window including (sorry about the crappy indentation, but the editor forced me to use less 'junk' characters):
using System;
namespace ClassLibrary
{
public class Class1
{
}
} ... VS complained about not being able to find the System namespace!! and the class being wrong because of not finding System.Object!! I guess that this has to do with my initial selection of modules (perhaps VB.NET not supporting the new projects is another consequence), but come on!! How can the code generated by default be faulty?! This isn't a bug, this is pure terrorism! LOL.
I usually let new VS or.NET versions to be improved during some time (e.g., various years) before using them, to avoid "peculiarities" like the aforementioned one or simply because of being happy with my current version. But I will do a small exception this time: I have to develop a reasonably big C# code during the next weeks and do feel like trying VS 2017 (by assuming that it can keep up). So, I will write the third and final part of this post in some weeks, after having got a proper feeling about this new version.
I use and like VS quite a lot, but am not precisely an early adopter. At the moment, I am mostly using the 2012 version and, eventually (= when forced to do so), the 2015 one. Actually, I am not even sure why I stopped using VS 2010 because it was quite reliable. I have seen some problems with 2012, but have gradually got used to them. I haven't used 2015 much, but don't think that I like it: it consumes too many resources, even for my a-bit-old-but-quite-powerful desktop computer.
I am currently downloading the 2017 Community (clarification which is perhaps still required: fully-functional free version, which has nothing to do with the old VS Express) and everything looks OK so far. The downloading interface seems nicer than the previous ones. Microsoft promised this version to be much more modular and apparently they delivered. I am saying apparently because the options are there, although the size is still quite big anyway (over 7 GB after having chosen the most basic options).
Give Crimson Editor (CEdeit) a try, it's a lot like Notepad++ but it does a few extra things like bracket-matching, keyword highlighting some other handy stuff
Notepad++ does all these things since long time ago. Perhaps you should re-try it:)
Slashdot Mirror
If you need anything else like a part-time god (or devil) for one of the earths, just let me know; but bear in mind that I will be an avenging one (not negotiable).
Serious now. I have seen something quite weird with Slashdot today which never saw before: you wrote your reply hours ago, but I didn't get the warning in my RHS panel until some minutes ago?! Additionally, I have been seeing the same funny message in the lower bar during the whole day (curiously, something related to earth)?! Other than that, the site has been working fine. It was just with my account or have you also seen something like that?
To celebrate that I will not write clarifications of this kind (or ;) or :) or LOL or similar next to a not-too-evident-for-everyone joke) again and to somehow address the most typical misconceptions that random fanatics might want to see in my previous comment, this is who I am:
- As clearly highlighted in my profile description, I am a man, 39 yo, heterosexual, leftist, Spaniard, white. I never post anonymously (although I am an AC, Alvaro Carballo).
- As clearly stated in my current signature, I am the sole author of anything (anywhere, anytime) done by Custom Solvers 2.0 or varocarbas.
- As clearly shown by some of my posts here (which, after being written, cannot be edited/deleted), these are my positions in some conflictive issues:
* PewDiePie is an idiot, although his video was clearly not meant seriously (neither a joke, as highlighted in some of my comments).
* I don't like Trump.
* I think that generic prejudices make no sense.
This post also describes what I will try to avoid in the future here: non-technical conversations. I am with the ACs complaining about the big number of non-technical articles! Let's make Slashdot eminently technical again!
Dear (other) AC, honestly, I am not sure about what is your exact position in this matter. At first sight, it seems that you are plainly saying what you think that I would like to read; an approach which might be used by different people to accomplish different goals. You might be an anti-feminism (third wave or modern or similar, like the presenter in that video calls it) thinking that found a new member for this anti-movement. But you might also be an insecure feminist relying on the old "let's say some words which I consider that define certain behaviour to see if that person agrees with them", living by generic labels which you assign more or less randomly by applying a few generic truths.
Either way, note that this whole pro/anti fight doesn't concern me at all. I consider everyone identical regardless of any generic feature like gender, race, nationality, etc. I don't like hypocrites, imposing attitudes, any form of fanaticism or group anything (hating, bashing, promoting, misunderstanding, etc.), but am also very tolerant and my usual behaviour is not minding what I don't like (+ quite a few exceptions, as you can see by reading some of my comments here). I don't need my position to prevail or to convince anyone about the way in which I see certain things in a specific moment of my life. I will behave in every specific situation as I consider, by trying to avoid generic ideas as much as possible.
I liked the video and its presenter. I liked the fresh air brought by a secure woman which, in principle, seems more compatible with how I see things than some generic ideas which are quite popular lately. My work (programming/engineering) is completely gender-(or any other abstract feature) neutral and will never let anyone affect it by bringing so irrelevant issues into account. I have read some curious stuff in internet and even had one incident which might be defined as this-matter-related problems; but always associated all this with ignorance- or dishonesty- or unfairness-driven (insecure) personalities. I know the kind of people and women (as such, as persons, as workers, etc.) which I like and it seems that there are lots of them.
In summary, I am sure that some people might find interesting your definition, but I personally don't care about all this. I will react exactly in the same way against anyone trying to impose generic, fanatic, dishonest, unfair, etc. nonsense to me/my work or to somehow contaminate what I do/say: zero tolerance.
without the humans
Nonsense! The humans aren't the problem, but their machines. We have to let humans evolve up to pre-industrial-revolution-times and don't let them get any further than that (by killing anyone becoming intelligent enough?).
We also need other earths with parallel low-CO2 industrial revolutions to model the perfect conditions under which our industrialisation stage might have been reached.
Other than that, your idea seems promising! Why hasn't anyone started to work on it yet?
Or even better: internalized misogyny (I discovered this Youtube channel just a while ago thanks to a comment above).
Nice & funny video (and channel and presenter)!
OK. Sorry about the misunderstanding, I got it completely wrong. Although you could have been a bit more clear (e.g., saying the person you were referring to, answering to my original post rather to the one complaining about the downvote, etc.).
I responded
No, you used a system against its purpose to attack a person sharing an opinion which you didn't like. You might have replied to my message, by censoring my attitude or by trying to convince me that I was wrong. But you didn't do anything of that, you modded my post down by using the moderation system as a way to punish my behaviour. If we were in the wild west, you would have shot me in the back (to defend a friend of yours).
a rude comment
Openly saying what I think is rude? Criticising a behaviour which I consider negative for this community by giving reasons (and even kudos) is rude? I think that you are looking for the word describing a person openly criticising what you did and rude isn't the best one. In fact, I don't think that there is any good word for that. There are (preventive) attacks, dismissing expressions, insults and further "resources" which some people might use to avoid an open, reason-based and face-to-face conversation where being wrong is one of the possible outputs.
attacking one of my editors
I didn't attack anyone. The sole intention of my comment was sharing what I consider best for this site (better: for the community which uses it). People thinking differently can convince me that I am wrong or even ignore my opinion, but why feeling attacked? Am I not allowed to have an opinion on this or any other issue and reasonably sharing it? Isn't this precisely the whole point of Slashdot's comment section? Should I make sure that everyone listening agree with me before opening my mouth to avoid anyone feeling attacked? Sorry, but I will not do that.
Weird that it's upsetting to people
I am not upset, although some people think that I am a bit weird. So, I guess that this one is almost kind of not completely wrong.
My post gets -1 overrated and the Bill-Cosby-wannabe above (some words, "BAH HUMBUG" and some other words) gets +5 funny! Thanks for helping readers understand my point with this new sample of moderation abuse.
Clarification for those with problems to understand context, intention, sarcasm and/or over-3-word ideas: sorry for not having included a closing smiley or LOL in my previous comment to help you understand that I was joking. How could you know it otherwise, right? Because you think that there are lots of people doing really weird things just for a change of name/colour, because Slashdot is exactly the kind of place where these people go and because I would enjoy witnessing such idiocy? (-> all this is more logical than me being joking?! Don't you think that there has to be something really wrong with someone coming to such a nonsensical conclusion? I do).
I liked your Slacker News. It was an unexpected surprise, a small detail which made me smile, pretty much the opposite than this comment. Being proud of arbitrarily misusing an over-power you have? In a site like this, where the whole moderation system was created to be as unbiased as possible? Actually these (dumb-)childish attitudes are precisely the main reason why I have stopped participating in various other social-media sites. I am exclusively interested in dealing with adults and, eventually, helping kids understand how to behave.
I haven't been participating in Slashdot for too long, but I like this community quite a lot. I will certainly continue coming here to read and post. This community is very big and strong (although might seem quite dysfunctional at first sight) to disappear or, at least, to stop being appealing to me. Even in the worst scenario, it might move somewhere else (to other site or a different company might buy this site or your company might hire other people). One thing is sure: attitudes like the one you have shown in this last post are completely against all what I will ever stand for (in Slashdot) and nothing will ever change that. You (your company or slashdot.org or whatever) only provide a place, a container, an accessory and easily-replaceable feature; you are the building where the meeting is hold, the cable through which the electricity flows, etc. You are only one of the many parts of a whole which, in case of not behaving exactly as expected, will be replaced.
I came here to read about suicides, death threats, people linking to some research about the pros/cons of a green-to-orange transition in nerd communities, etc. And then I realised about today's date and well... nice one, Slashdot! The doomsday-like alternative would have been much funnier though.
I have finished my analysis of VS 2017 much sooner than expected because of deciding to continue writing the aforementioned code with the 2012 version. Without getting a too bad impression about it, I didn't feel comfortable enough to continue; additionally, I found what IMHO is a serious issue which should be fixed right away.
As already pointed out, the modularity of 2017 is very appealing and allows a very light environment which is certainly quick; as quick as the much older and under-featured 2012. Note that, during the installation, I selected the main C#/VB.NET desktop and web options and some basic Visual C++. For me, just this issue makes this version more appealing than 2015.
In its default configuration, 2017 has much more coding helps (all the bells and whistles automatically appearing when typing or moving the mouse or similar) than 2012 and 2015. This is one of the defining features of VS with respect to other IDEs, but Microsoft might have brought things way too far on this front. Nothing of this seems to affect the VS usability (quick and responsive; additionally, all these functionalities are likely to be easily disabled) and that’s why I cannot say that is completely wrong. Small details helping to improve your coding experience are certainly nice, but including too many details which virtually nobody would ever use (e.g., showing some information when placing the cursor in certain area which can quickly be retrieved in 3 different ways) doesn't seem too logical. All this is even more relevant by bearing in mind the usual evolution of VS releases: first versions full of bugs which usually take over 1 year to be fixed. They have an excellent underlying framework (almost none of the new features since VS 2008 have improved my coding experience in a relevant way), why unnecessarily making it buggy or kind of joker-of-all-trades-master-of-none? I think that Microsoft should eminently focus on delivering reliable and bug-free versions, rather than on continue adding not-too-useful features.
In general terms, I felt quite comfortable working on VS 2017 (at least, before discovering the problem below), but by basically using it as VS 2012. Note that I continued a C# (library + console) project created in VS 2012. Right at the start, I saw a curious error-over-reporting issue: a simple 1 error in 2012 clearly stating the problem (wrong definition of a class) vs. 88 in 2017 (one for the wrongly-defined class and 87 for further references to that class). I saw also other weirdnesses like expanding a tree of sub-folders in the project window which got suddenly closed. But all these things happened just once or twice and I was kind of expecting them, so I didn't really mind any of this (on the other hand, this should be seen by Microsoft as bad news: I do expect random errors and glitches in a first VS version because this has always been the case!).
The real deal breaker was the problems with the debugger: it plainly doesn't work as it should. I tested the created-in-VS-2012-a-bit-complex code, also new-2017-extremely-simple projects and the behaviour was always quite chaotic via ignoring lines for no clear reason. For example, I usually write codes including something like string string1 = "whatever"; string1 = string1;, where the whole purpose of the second line is to hold a break-point (where I will see the string1 properties via the popup window); VS 2017 skips the break-point in this second line! And this skipping-lines behaviour occurs in other situations, what makes the whole debugging process very uncomfortable right away (I have relevant experience in different IDEs and languages, VS and C# among them; I don't need to spend even one minute to try to fully understand the unexpected behaviour of a debugger to know that I don't like it). Hopefully, this is just a buggy behaviour and Microsoft hasn't actually modified the way in which the VS debugger has always worked. Another issue I didn't like too much about debugging was the fact that the break-poin
The list in my previous comment was also meant to somehow support your point: lots of alternatives which almost nobody uses. And what happens with the country second-level domains is even worse (a descriptive but incomplete list). I am currently running some crawling bots to rank domains and have found quite a few problems on this front; in fact, they still cannot understand all the possible scenarios (after having collected over 1M domains).
There are also .eu and .asia. Additionally, the number of TLDs has become quite big and their justification unclear. How could you restrict the access to a list including .eurovision or .firestone?
I will not let you down, supportive (other) AC!
I have realised that discussions are archived after around 15 days. This isn't enough time for completing the aforementioned whole code, but it should be more than enough to get a good idea about VS 2017.
I don't care too much about interface aspects, other than what has a direct influence on my coding. But I do recall that the first time I saw VS 2012 was a bit of a downer. In fact, I have never got as comfortable with it as I did with 2010 or 2008.
I have worked enough with VS to know that 7 GB isn't much. But I found kind of curious a so big value after having chosen just some basic options. In any case, all what matters is the final performance and, as explained in the second part of my comment, its behaviour on this front seems quite good: starts much quicker than 2015, even quicker than 2012 (notably older, under-featured and lighter).
Yes. Seeing the template tree so empty is kind of nice.
In theory, newer versions should support all what was done with older ones by eventually performing some minor modifications (quick migrations or changing the .NET version associated with the given project). But I guess that it is a matter of personal taste. I prefer to mostly use just one version and, when required, newer ones.
Every new .NET/Visual Studio version brings something new which some people might find relevant and others might not. In my case, I use VS mostly for C# & VB.NET and rarely with new .NET features. Over 99% of all the code which I write in VS might be done with VS 2010 (and .NET 3.5). Sometimes, I need newer versions and plainly rely on them. For example, while contributing to the open .NET project (CoreCLR and CoreFX), I had to use VS 2015.
After testing it for some minutes, I found two interesting issues: .NET Standard), which are only present in C# (no more duplication of everything C#-VB.NET?!). And here I found a not so pleasant surprise: after creating a new .NET Standard project and the opening window including (sorry about the crappy indentation, but the editor forced me to use less 'junk' characters):
... VS complained about not being able to find the System namespace!! and the class being wrong because of not finding System.Object!! I guess that this has to do with my initial selection of modules (perhaps VB.NET not supporting the new projects is another consequence), but come on!! How can the code generated by default be faulty?! This isn't a bug, this is pure terrorism! LOL.
.NET versions to be improved during some time (e.g., various years) before using them, to avoid "peculiarities" like the aforementioned one or simply because of being happy with my current version. But I will do a small exception this time: I have to develop a reasonably big C# code during the next weeks and do feel like trying VS 2017 (by assuming that it can keep up). So, I will write the third and final part of this post in some weeks, after having got a proper feeling about this new version.
- It loads pretty quickly. Right after restarting my computer, the fastest one is VS 2012, then 2017 and, finally, 2015. But, when executing them for a second time, 2017 becomes even faster than 2012.
- It has some new project types (.NET Core and
using System;
namespace ClassLibrary
{
public class Class1
{
}
}
I usually let new VS or
I use and like VS quite a lot, but am not precisely an early adopter. At the moment, I am mostly using the 2012 version and, eventually (= when forced to do so), the 2015 one. Actually, I am not even sure why I stopped using VS 2010 because it was quite reliable. I have seen some problems with 2012, but have gradually got used to them. I haven't used 2015 much, but don't think that I like it: it consumes too many resources, even for my a-bit-old-but-quite-powerful desktop computer.
I am currently downloading the 2017 Community (clarification which is perhaps still required: fully-functional free version, which has nothing to do with the old VS Express) and everything looks OK so far. The downloading interface seems nicer than the previous ones. Microsoft promised this version to be much more modular and apparently they delivered. I am saying apparently because the options are there, although the size is still quite big anyway (over 7 GB after having chosen the most basic options).
Give Crimson Editor (CEdeit) a try, it's a lot like Notepad++ but it does a few extra things like bracket-matching, keyword highlighting some other handy stuff
Notepad++ does all these things since long time ago. Perhaps you should re-try it :)