Yet you don't see the need to provide financial assistance to men to help them get into well paid professions such as medicine and law?
I don't see the need. Men don't face the same barriers that women who want to enter those professions do. That we're seeing a major demographic shift suggests that those extra opportunities did, in fact, help women achieve equality. It's entirely possible that women won't need those advantages in the future as we'll have real equality.
Equality is good, isn't it?
As I said, prejudiced. Now fuck off back to your ivory tower, I'm trying to live in the real world.
No, you're not trying to live in the real world. You're trying to place responsibility for your failings on someone else. Know what I see when I read your post? "I'm not a doctor or a lawyer because I didn't have a special scholarship" and "I'm not more successful because the world is bias against me."
See, here in reality, you have countless advantages. How different would your life be if you were a woman? Would it be better or worse? What things can you do now that you wouldn't be able to do? What obstacles would you face that you don't face now?
Know what I can do? At 1 am on a weekend I can walk to a convenience store and back home without giving it a second thought. How many women can say that? Male privilege is extensive and varied. So much so that many don't even recognize it.
I'm just keen that people don't build systemic prejudice; why are you so fucking keen that they do?
What you don't understand is that that prejudice exists -- and it works in YOUR favor!
But I'll tell you what, I'll advocate gender equality.
Apparently not. We provide opportunities to disadvantaged groups to help achieve equality.
Being male didn't get me into university, didn't earn me my first job,
Being male undoubtedly helped you achieve those things. Is this really that difficult for you to see? As an exercise, try to see the various ways that white privilege has benefited you. That should help you to start identifying areas where male privilege has benefited you.
didn't stop me getting fucked over by three different companies.
Yeah, that's all on you. Make better decisions. You have advantages that others do not. Just because you haven't played the game well doesn't mean that the deck was stacked against you. To the contrary, it was quite clearly your favor.
Sounds like you make really, really, bad decisions. You have numerous advantages and are still unable to succeed. I just gave a few examples of the many privileges I've enjoyed and continue to enjoy.
The educational system sure wasn't bias against me. I had virtually no obstacles to overcome. The welfare system doesn't affect me because I've never needed it, all due to privilege. (See my earlier post.)
What's 'MRA'?
Men's Rights Advocate. Like you didn't already know!
I also hate people pretending that men are somehow given a free ride in life.
Pretending? Do you think I just worked harder? I seriously doubt that! I had an easier time than most because I had significant advantages from the start. In work, school, and everywhere in between. Being a man gave me, or enabled, many of those advantages.
Is equality really so much to ask?
No, it's not. That's why we need things like scholarships for women. They deserve equality. They don't enjoy the same privileges that you and I do. They need to work twice as hard to be perceived as half as good. (That's a bit glib, but you'll find tons of research which supports that.)
Let me clarify something. Life is hard for just about everyone. Still, it's much easier for people like you and me. The only difference between us that I can see is that I know that I enjoy privilege denied to others. When you say "people don't hold doors open for me" it becomes very obvious that you just haven't been paying attention!
As I said before: Removing barriers for women does not impose barriers for men. Scholarships exclusively for women do not disadvantage men, they only help to give women equal opportunity.
You MRA's are a pitiful lot. Are you afraid that if you male privilege doesn't advantage you enough you won't be able to compete?
Look, I'm a tall, good-looking, white male from a middle class background. That's life on "easy mode". I could pretend that all of my success is due to exclusively to my intelligence and hard-work, but I'm not delusional. I had, and continue to enjoy, countless advantages. Advantages that other people can only dream about. So many, in fact, that it's hard for me to identify most of them! I won't even try to list the educational opportunities and advantages that were available to me and not others. Let's stick to the less obvious ones.
People automatically assume that I'm competent, capable, intelligent, and well-educated. I don't have to constantly prove myself to others. (I don't know that I've every had to do that!) People listen when I talk and give serious consideration to what I have to say. For many women and minorities, that's a rare occurrence. (If they're lucky enough to ever have experienced that at all.)
I get preferential treatment virtually everywhere I go. Not just at work, but at stores, bars, restaurants, etc. I'm willing to bet that you do as well -- you just don't recognize that or assume it's because of something you've done when, in reality, it's merely due to your gender and where and to whom you were born.
You reminded of This and, to a lesser extent, This.
Each woman that is forcibly placed in a course takes the place of a better qualified man.
WTF? Who is being "forcibly" placed in a course? Even if such an absurdity were to occur, what makes you think that anyone is being displaced, let alone a "better qualified man"?
Additionally many courses where universities cannot recruit enough women end being closed
Bullshit. I defy you to find a single instance, let alone "many".
it is usually better for them to not have a course than to have a "gender unbalanced course".
Better for them... how? In what possible way could that benefit the institution?
There is also a very significant anti-male posture in the universities
Never mind, you're clearly just trolling. Not bad. 8/10 You got me. Carry on.
You're deeply confused. You quoted me, so I'm fairly certain I was the person to which you intended to reply.
That's textbook bigotry and sexism.
I'm a "textbook" sexist bigot because I acknowledge that there are similar artificial barriers imposed on women in similar areas, a fact well-supported by current research, and thus have little reason to doubt the parents assertion that those same barriers exist in e-sports?
Why would there be any outcry? Are there artificial barriers keeping men out of those professions?
What's that? No?
So... are you an idiot that is incapable of understanding the problem or are you really so ignorant that you believed that the problem was the lack of a perfect 50/50 gender split?
Being so new, I don't know that it's been studied specifically. From experience with similar groups, I suspect that the parent is correct. You'll also find plenty of research on male athletic subculture which supports his assertion.
Or you could just continue to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality because it conflicts with your groundless anti-feminist beliefs. That's a popular pastime here.
You're welcome to stick your head in the ground and ignore reality if you want. All I ask is that you stop popping out and shouting ridiculous nonsense!
Just for fun, try to find a real-world example of your silly definition. That should be sufficient for you to recognize how incredibly moronic your assertion truly is. With a bit of luck, it'll inspire you to do some reading. You'll find some important authors mentioned in my earlier post.
Wow, no. It's not even a little bit accurate. It's laughable. You must have puzzled this out by now!
I suppose you also think Popper is a device for making a popular snack, Hempel is for hippies, and Kuhn is that masked critter that lives in your back yard.
What did they teach you at Bud's Discount University anyway? I hope you kept the receipt.
Try an educated take on commonly misunderstood shit.
attitude of intellectual snobbery
How dare I be educated!
Sorry to ruin your autodidact circle-jerk. I know how proud you were of regurgitating that nonsense you read on a blog somewhere. I'll bet it made you feel proud. If you weren't actively harming the public understanding of science, I'd even give you a pass.
Look, it's clear that you didn't understand my post. It's a shame as it was as simple as I could make it. Simple enough, I'd hoped, for even the thickest scientifically illiterate science cheerleaders to understand.
Stop spreading nonsense! You are part of the problem!
That may be true, but that doesn't make your post less absurd. This is ridiculously basic stuff here.
The whole "Creationists think [incorrect thing] it's really [incorrect thing]" drives me crazy. It's done more to harm the public understanding of science than all the Hovinds of the world could hope to achieve on their own.
Youtube isn't a substitute for a university, nor livejournal for a library. Stop spreading nonsense.
Slashdot Mirror
Yes. Think about the applications under discussion.
In your fantasy land ...
Listen, fuckwit. MEN AREN'T ENTERING THOSE PROFESSIONS.
Here in reality, things are dramatically different:
Here are the figures for Medicine and Law
Both are about 47/53 female/male
What was that you were saying again?
You bleating about male privilege is not backed up by the raw fucking numbers of men and women entering those professions.
Feeling foolish? I'll bet you do! Sorry about that. Reality is cruel sometimes...
Yet you don't see the need to provide financial assistance to men to help them get into well paid professions such as medicine and law?
I don't see the need. Men don't face the same barriers that women who want to enter those professions do. That we're seeing a major demographic shift suggests that those extra opportunities did, in fact, help women achieve equality. It's entirely possible that women won't need those advantages in the future as we'll have real equality.
Equality is good, isn't it?
As I said, prejudiced. Now fuck off back to your ivory tower, I'm trying to live in the real world.
No, you're not trying to live in the real world. You're trying to place responsibility for your failings on someone else. Know what I see when I read your post? "I'm not a doctor or a lawyer because I didn't have a special scholarship" and "I'm not more successful because the world is bias against me."
See, here in reality, you have countless advantages. How different would your life be if you were a woman? Would it be better or worse? What things can you do now that you wouldn't be able to do? What obstacles would you face that you don't face now?
Know what I can do? At 1 am on a weekend I can walk to a convenience store and back home without giving it a second thought. How many women can say that? Male privilege is extensive and varied. So much so that many don't even recognize it.
I'm just keen that people don't build systemic prejudice; why are you so fucking keen that they do?
What you don't understand is that that prejudice exists -- and it works in YOUR favor!
But I'll tell you what, I'll advocate gender equality.
Apparently not. We provide opportunities to disadvantaged groups to help achieve equality.
Being male didn't get me into university, didn't earn me my first job,
Being male undoubtedly helped you achieve those things. Is this really that difficult for you to see? As an exercise, try to see the various ways that white privilege has benefited you. That should help you to start identifying areas where male privilege has benefited you.
didn't stop me getting fucked over by three different companies.
Yeah, that's all on you. Make better decisions. You have advantages that others do not. Just because you haven't played the game well doesn't mean that the deck was stacked against you. To the contrary, it was quite clearly your favor.
Sounds like you make really, really, bad decisions. You have numerous advantages and are still unable to succeed. I just gave a few examples of the many privileges I've enjoyed and continue to enjoy.
The educational system sure wasn't bias against me. I had virtually no obstacles to overcome. The welfare system doesn't affect me because I've never needed it, all due to privilege. (See my earlier post.)
What's 'MRA'?
Men's Rights Advocate. Like you didn't already know!
I also hate people pretending that men are somehow given a free ride in life.
Pretending? Do you think I just worked harder? I seriously doubt that! I had an easier time than most because I had significant advantages from the start. In work, school, and everywhere in between. Being a man gave me, or enabled, many of those advantages.
Is equality really so much to ask?
No, it's not. That's why we need things like scholarships for women. They deserve equality. They don't enjoy the same privileges that you and I do. They need to work twice as hard to be perceived as half as good. (That's a bit glib, but you'll find tons of research which supports that.)
Let me clarify something. Life is hard for just about everyone. Still, it's much easier for people like you and me. The only difference between us that I can see is that I know that I enjoy privilege denied to others. When you say "people don't hold doors open for me" it becomes very obvious that you just haven't been paying attention!
Give it some thought.
As I said before: Removing barriers for women does not impose barriers for men. Scholarships exclusively for women do not disadvantage men, they only help to give women equal opportunity.
You MRA's are a pitiful lot. Are you afraid that if you male privilege doesn't advantage you enough you won't be able to compete?
Look, I'm a tall, good-looking, white male from a middle class background. That's life on "easy mode". I could pretend that all of my success is due to exclusively to my intelligence and hard-work, but I'm not delusional. I had, and continue to enjoy, countless advantages. Advantages that other people can only dream about. So many, in fact, that it's hard for me to identify most of them! I won't even try to list the educational opportunities and advantages that were available to me and not others. Let's stick to the less obvious ones.
People automatically assume that I'm competent, capable, intelligent, and well-educated. I don't have to constantly prove myself to others. (I don't know that I've every had to do that!) People listen when I talk and give serious consideration to what I have to say. For many women and minorities, that's a rare occurrence. (If they're lucky enough to ever have experienced that at all.)
I get preferential treatment virtually everywhere I go. Not just at work, but at stores, bars, restaurants, etc. I'm willing to bet that you do as well -- you just don't recognize that or assume it's because of something you've done when, in reality, it's merely due to your gender and where and to whom you were born.
You reminded of This and, to a lesser extent, This.
Give it some thought.
Removing barriers for women does not impose barriers for men.
Sorry but there are more barriers to male equality in this country than there are to female equality.
Name one.
Fool me once, you know.
The video was too much. The Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute? Too obvious.
Good effort though. 4/10
Each woman that is forcibly placed in a course takes the place of a better qualified man.
WTF? Who is being "forcibly" placed in a course? Even if such an absurdity were to occur, what makes you think that anyone is being displaced, let alone a "better qualified man"?
Additionally many courses where universities cannot recruit enough women end being closed
Bullshit. I defy you to find a single instance, let alone "many".
it is usually better for them to not have a course than to have a "gender unbalanced course".
Better for them ... how? In what possible way could that benefit the institution?
There is also a very significant anti-male posture in the universities
Never mind, you're clearly just trolling. Not bad. 8/10 You got me. Carry on.
So you don't know, you have no way to find out
Didn't read my post, eh? Give it another go.
you're going to continue to malign a gender
You're deeply confused. You quoted me, so I'm fairly certain I was the person to which you intended to reply.
That's textbook bigotry and sexism.
I'm a "textbook" sexist bigot because I acknowledge that there are similar artificial barriers imposed on women in similar areas, a fact well-supported by current research, and thus have little reason to doubt the parents assertion that those same barriers exist in e-sports?
Who wrote that textbook?
Why would there be any outcry? Are there artificial barriers keeping men out of those professions?
What's that? No?
So... are you an idiot that is incapable of understanding the problem or are you really so ignorant that you believed that the problem was the lack of a perfect 50/50 gender split?
That's not fair. You could easily be both.
WTF are you babbling about?
Reason has no place here. This thread is for us to talk about how 'dem fem-nists is spoilin' the fun.
Try something like this instead: "Privileged, white, middle-class males are being oppressed!" It's an easy +5 insightful.
Being so new, I don't know that it's been studied specifically. From experience with similar groups, I suspect that the parent is correct. You'll also find plenty of research on male athletic subculture which supports his assertion.
Or you could just continue to stick your head in the sand and ignore reality because it conflicts with your groundless anti-feminist beliefs. That's a popular pastime here.
But, did quark obey to mathematical law ?
Yes. He never engaged in a profitless venture.
Judging from the reaction to the Nye-Ham publicity fest, I doubt that's the issue at all.
You're welcome to stick your head in the ground and ignore reality if you want. All I ask is that you stop popping out and shouting ridiculous nonsense!
Just for fun, try to find a real-world example of your silly definition. That should be sufficient for you to recognize how incredibly moronic your assertion truly is. With a bit of luck, it'll inspire you to do some reading. You'll find some important authors mentioned in my earlier post.
Still waiting? See above. Though it was a definition of theory, not "the scientific method".
Ugh... The last think science needs is illiterate "defenders" like you...
Oh, yes, I said that. It happens to be accurate
Wow, no. It's not even a little bit accurate. It's laughable. You must have puzzled this out by now!
I suppose you also think Popper is a device for making a popular snack, Hempel is for hippies, and Kuhn is that masked critter that lives in your back yard.
What did they teach you at Bud's Discount University anyway? I hope you kept the receipt.
I seriously doubt that. Well, unless your a graduate of Oral Roberts University.
No one with any science background would say something this stupid:
A hypothesis is a theory with very little or no positive or negative evidence for it.
Yeah, you actually said that. I copied it directly from your comment above.
It's okay if you feel foolish. All I ask is that you stop spreading nonsense.
+5 Funny.
If people ask what my sign is, I always tell them : Elephant.
So I challenged them to tell me my sign. They needed 12 guesses. Let that sink in. 12!
I don't know, that sounds pretty good to me. I'm astonished that it only took 12 guesses to get to "elephant".
rarefied take on commonly understood shit
Try an educated take on commonly misunderstood shit.
attitude of intellectual snobbery
How dare I be educated!
Sorry to ruin your autodidact circle-jerk. I know how proud you were of regurgitating that nonsense you read on a blog somewhere. I'll bet it made you feel proud. If you weren't actively harming the public understanding of science, I'd even give you a pass.
Look, it's clear that you didn't understand my post. It's a shame as it was as simple as I could make it. Simple enough, I'd hoped, for even the thickest scientifically illiterate science cheerleaders to understand.
Stop spreading nonsense! You are part of the problem!
That may be true, but that doesn't make your post less absurd. This is ridiculously basic stuff here.
The whole "Creationists think [incorrect thing] it's really [incorrect thing]" drives me crazy. It's done more to harm the public understanding of science than all the Hovinds of the world could hope to achieve on their own.
Youtube isn't a substitute for a university, nor livejournal for a library. Stop spreading nonsense.
A hypothesis is a theory with very little or no positive or negative evidence for it
No. Not even close.