>> I wasn't aware that OS X was being distributed with a Shell...I was told that it must be installed seprately...anyhow, OS X as you said is BSD. And the fact that the Amiga was "unix like" rather than UNIX didn't hurt it for all of those Amiga users.
Yes. It is. It even comes with emacs and a bunch of other unix tools from bsd and elsewhere. Standard.
It also comes with the complete developers tools including the ide, cocoa, java 2 built into the os and java developers tools, as well as the usual support for C, C++, Objective-C and others. THOSE need to be installed if you want them (the cd comes with every mac, and every os x retail copy). I wish CBM did that back in the day.
>> Lets not compare it with the A500, compare it with an A1200. The A1200-HD could be had for well under the origonal price of the A500, and came with a harddrive. I think I bought my A1200-HD for $599 in '92, and you can't compare the price of a monitor (monitors get cheaper as time goes by). Compare it to what was available at the time...
Well... The A500 was also $599. in both cases, WITH a monitor, it would be around what the 17inch g4 is now.... in current dollars. I also didn't mention hard drives. Obviously the g4 mac comes with one as well!!! My point is that a complete set up, is about $1100, whether it was an A500 in 1989, an A1200 in 1992, or the g4 eMac today.
>>MacOS didn't have a command line and still doesn't come standard with one.
er....what? "Doesn't come standard with one?"
Yes, every mac "comes standard with on." No, you don't have to use it (nor did you have to use the CLI). It's simply an app in the utilities subfolder of the Applications folder. Oh yeah, and unlike the Unix-like CLI, the mac terminal IS bsd unix. Where do you get this stuff?
>> X86 boxen were cheap (Macs are anything but)
I dunno, you can get a g4 mac with 17 inch monitor for under $1100. That's the same price as an A500 + 14inch monitor in 1989 dollars. It always amazes me that people keep spouting this stuff. Yeah, yeah...you can build your own PC for a few hundred less, but you could never do that with the Amiga.
The problem is (and I expect some of the same will be true for Linux on the desktop) the people who had them were much like the build your own crowd...they're also the ones who didn't buy much software. They had fun tinkering, but not buying software will prevent much of a consumer software base, and eventually kill the likelihood of the thing taking off in the consumer space, and did in the amiga's case.
With the mac, the computer is not something to tinker with, it is something to use. You could do some tinkering, but those with professions bought it to make money using it, not to tinker. With OS X, you can tinker more, if you'd like. All the advantages on Linux, with the polished GUI and software of the mac.
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>> I wasn't aware that OS X was being distributed with a Shell...I was told that it must be installed seprately...anyhow, OS X as you said is BSD. And the fact that the Amiga was "unix like" rather than UNIX didn't hurt it for all of those Amiga users.
Yes. It is. It even comes with emacs and a bunch of other unix tools from bsd and elsewhere. Standard.
It also comes with the complete developers tools including the ide, cocoa, java 2 built into the os and java developers tools, as well as the usual support for C, C++, Objective-C and others. THOSE need to be installed if you want them (the cd comes with every mac, and every os x retail copy). I wish CBM did that back in the day.
>> Lets not compare it with the A500, compare it with an A1200. The A1200-HD could be had for well under the origonal price of the A500, and came with a harddrive. I think I bought my A1200-HD for $599 in '92, and you can't compare the price of a monitor (monitors get cheaper as time goes by). Compare it to what was available at the time...
Well... The A500 was also $599. in both cases, WITH a monitor, it would be around what the 17inch g4 is now.... in current dollars. I also didn't mention hard drives. Obviously the g4 mac comes with one as well!!! My point is that a complete set up, is about $1100, whether it was an A500 in 1989, an A1200 in 1992, or the g4 eMac today.
>>MacOS didn't have a command line and still doesn't come standard with one.
er....what? "Doesn't come standard with one?"
Yes, every mac "comes standard with on." No, you don't have to use it (nor did you have to use the CLI). It's simply an app in the utilities subfolder of the Applications folder. Oh yeah, and unlike the Unix-like CLI, the mac terminal IS bsd unix.
Where do you get this stuff?
>> X86 boxen were cheap (Macs are anything but)
I dunno, you can get a g4 mac with 17 inch monitor for under $1100. That's the same price as an A500 + 14inch monitor in 1989 dollars. It always amazes me that people keep spouting this stuff. Yeah, yeah...you can build your own PC for a few hundred less, but you could never do that with the Amiga.
The problem is (and I expect some of the same will be true for Linux on the desktop) the people who had them were much like the build your own crowd...they're also the ones who didn't buy much software. They had fun tinkering, but not buying software will prevent much of a consumer software base, and eventually kill the likelihood of the thing taking off in the consumer space, and did in the amiga's case.
With the mac, the computer is not something to tinker with, it is something to use. You could do some tinkering, but those with professions bought it to make money using it, not to tinker. With OS X, you can tinker more, if you'd like. All the advantages on Linux, with the polished GUI and software of the mac.