1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
Yep, you read that right. Your fundamental rights are determined by what the government, courts, and special government bodies(like the CRTC) says they are. In other words, the charter is worth less than the paper it's written on.
FWIW, we out here in the West at the time were screaming from the rooftops that that's the way it was going to turn out. Easterners were too busy worshipping Trudeau to listen. Fox, chicken coop,...
Network Neutrality is dead; long live Network neutrality. (that is the french translation)
Thanks, but that's actually the English translation, of course.:-)
I Think it was an excellent ruling.
Me too. Then again, Canadian law has often seemed capable of turning on a dime dependent only on which way the wind's blowing atm.
I'm glad my ISP's not going to be dinged for something they shouldn't be getting dinged for, not to mention all the "freedom for all of us" connotations. Michael Geist should be pleased.
"Outbreak of common sense reported. Film at 11:00, or 10:00 on CBC. In other news, Wendy Meslie *still* thinks Peter Mansbridge is a dork."
The OP informed the company of the vulnerability, which is the correct way to do. For some reason the company doesn't update the app which is not good. I think however OP should not make the specifics public afterwards.
I don't think he owes SouthWest anything. He's already given away for free valuable research into their app's security implications for their customers.
If they don't care enough about their own customers to do anything about it, that's up to SouthWest, and their customers deserve to be informed about that fact. I hope some jerk's hacking one of their customers right now, and we'll soon hear SouthWest's being sued into oblivion.
Things like this, along with finding out that iOS gives up my entire address book to an app without asking me first, leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes me question that review process.
I wonder how people who do this sort of thing got the job in the first place.
WTF?!? Why are people like this even being hired?!? Is SouthWest's management really this ignorant? How the !@#$ did they get their jobs?!? How do their planes even take off if this is the sort of thinking they do in that company?
"Eh, that's just IT, and IT's just a "cost centre"." Gaaahhd!
Consider the possibility of a person who is currently (and rightfully) on the Department of Homeland Security's 'No-Fly' list. If this person were able to capture a victim's credentials and create a fake ID, he could pass through TSA security without being stopped
Oh, please. Fuck off with the fearmongering. Even the DHS knows that the threat of terrorism is a bunch of bullshit.
Not to mention the fact that the TSA has never stopped anything. Quadrupled boarding times, humiliated grannies, scared children, yes, but stopped anything? Oh wait, Ted Kennedy and Rand Paul. "Brillant!" [sic]
WTF? eBay requires ActiveX? Since when? I don't recall PayPal ever requiring installation of an ActiveX control, much less eBay. I really think you're spreading misinformation...
'Sounds odd to me too. I've dealt with eBay and PayPal, and I'm pretty sure my Linux boxes don't do ActiveX.
However, if he uses Windows, it may. Don't know if it's required or not. Pretty seriously stupid, if so.
We use the built in iOS classes for HTTP requests that support SSL transparently. The US government still required us to register for export compliance. It's really senseless.
I think you misspelled "insane."
And, I wonder when the tsunami of refugees pouring across the 49th parallel into Canada, and the Rio Grande into Mexico, is going to start. Good luck containing that, DHS.
Fuck that. Just ship with the code. What's more likely to happen, your obscure app being noticed by bureaucrats or hackers?
The problem with that is you forgot to take into account the legal system and lawyers. Bottom feeders love potential victims like you. They're patient, and they'll eventually find you.
US companies are prevented from taking basic steps to protect online privacy for exactly the same reason that mild external threats are hyped and used as justification to strip other rights from US citizens -- the US is a fascist, occupation government with absolutely no regard for the rule of law.
Maybe it's just me, but I see the US as a bloated red giant star that's just finished burning up its fuel. It's about to collapse into itself going nova but has so far been held up by sheer momentum. It's already dead but doesn't realize it yet. I thought this silliness had gone the way of the dodo soon after the FBI wised up to what Phil Zimmerman was really doing.
Wow. Can we possibly get this over with before the presidential election? I'd like to avoid all of that if possible. I'm going to miss you guys. Bon chance.
Critics nonetheless mewl argue that patents "stifle innovation."
"Can we STOP THE GODDAMNED MEWLING!?!"
-- Kira; "Chronicles of Riddick".
This is like arguing that requiring people to pay money at a restaurant "stifles feeding," or that making it illegal to steal a UPS truck to start a delivery service "stifles entrepreneurship."
WTF does that even mean?!? "Bandaids stifle bleeding. Breathing stifles asphyxiation." Er, what? Did you have a point to make?
Oh, I know the old saw that you can make infinite copies of a digital file, but that ignores how expensive it can be to produce the first copy. We need to find a good way of protecting the folks who invest in that first copy. If that means patents, I think that's fine.
ITYM copyrights, not patents.
I think I'm okay with Paul McCartney and his designated distribution arm being the only ones legally allowed to sell copies of Wings' music, because that (in theory) ensures he gets his royalty.
I'm not okay with Apple suing restaurants in Germany for using the generic word "apple" in their name. That's just lawyers abusing the system for no reason other than their greed.
OK, since no-one read TFA, let alone TFA's comments:
Guilty.:-(
In other words, there's no problem with leaving a bunch of cookies on a table, then selling the rights to cookies to a debt collector, who shakes down everyone who ate one for a fair price (determined through a process of valuing their kneecaps).
There are a lot of parallels that can be drawn between the way gov't works (patent system) and how the mafia works (protection rackets). It's always surprised me that people think they are entirely unrelated processes. It all comes down to how good/believable is your PR.
Say, someone discovers a way to convert scrap metal to gold. That person should be allowed to have a patent on it.
i) Why?
ii) [Tangentially] If someone can convert scrap metal to gold, what the hell does he need a patent for? He's already in a better position than King Midas.
The patent was nothing new, there was plenty of prior art. They got lucky with a silly examiner, that's all.
There's that, and then there's the bit that the whole patent system is a gov't granted monopoly hack intended to skew the workings of the free market. In programmer terms, it's as bad as a goto. There are lots of ways to do what that intends to do without doing it in such an ugly way.
Plenty of vibrant industries don't rely on the patent system at all (eg. the fashion industry). The patent system enriches lawyers, full stop. It doesn't "promote the sciences and useful arts" at all, and seeing how capricious and how easily gamed it is as presently implemented, it should be abandoned.
Eg., Apple's look and feel patent !@#$ just disgusts me. They've done great stuff in the past. They shouldn't feel the need for crap like this now.
Maganese oxide? I thought [Manganese] was used for Galvanizing metal.
Don't you mean zinc?
Yeah. One of [Manganese's] uses is to control rust in steel. I used Galvanizing as a generalized term. I should have [known] better on/.
It averages out. I didn't know that about manganese. Now we're both richer.:-)
Some of us (well, I am anyway) are a veritable bottomless pit full of useless information. Put me in a room with iron ore, coal, and zinc, and I doubt I'd be coming out with any galvanized steel any time soon.
The theory is the science; applying it is the engineering.
I think we're getting pretty close to splitting hairs here (or arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin).
Some of the !@#$ NASA does looks like engineering ("implementation"/engineering), but they're really just making it up as they're doing it ("inventing"/science). Ditto, LHC.
It's a fine line, is all I'm saying.
I'm not trying to diss either engineers or scientists, btw. I love 'em both for what they bring to the table. I'm personally more comfortable around engineers, but I (not so secretly) idolize scientists.
Buddy, you're the one who wants to be a Christian. You shouldn't be complaining to us about how heavy is that cross you're bearing. If you don't want to read things that upset you, don't read it. You have no right what so !@#$ing ever to tell me what to write or not write, or what to believe or not believe. Nor do I assume any right to dictate the same to you.
Lots of people think yours is a belief system that's been obsolete for at least a thousand years. Suck it up.
Lots of people like you have been terrorizing people like me for twice that long, at least. You bet I'm going to be annoyed at stuff like that still going on in the 21st century.
I can work with religious geeks. It's none of my business what they believe outside of geekdom. Don't expect me to respect beliefs like that, and we'll get along fine. I'm not going to bother trying to turn you from your beliefs; none of my damned business, that's for you to sort out and I feel no need to interfere. Besides, that stuff's pretty boring to people like me.
I am still seriously annoyed about what happened to Giordano Bruno and Galileo, but I won't blame that on present day Xtians. You've no need to get your feathers ruffled. Just grow some more backbone if our views upset you.
... ie. the "why I am existing", which is a spiritual question...
Not to me, it isn't. That's a philosophical question, and as religion and spirituality are primitive and backward forms of philosophy, they're not likely to get anywhere near close to answering questions like that.
However, you go ahead and believe whatever you want to believe. It's no skin off my nose.
Actually, the whole understanding the implications and building something based on [it] isn't science, it's engineering. Science investigated phenomena; Engineering makes use of those phenomena.
Engineering is a superset which includes science. Engineering isn't engineering without the scientific component.
Is the LHC science or engineering, or both? NASA?:-)
I suspect we will start heaing about Christians being murdered in Islamic countries because they have the Bible on their cell phone.
You say that as if it's a bad thing. Xtians who've accepted Yahweh/God/Jesus as their saviour believe they're going to Heaven, and life here is just a stop over on the way to that.
Maybe the Crusades should have completed the job.
Maybe the Muslims should have completed the job, and wiped Xtianity from the face of the Earth. Maybe Islam would have remained the enlightened society it once was, if it didn't have to deal with homocidal/suicidal Xtians sticking their noses in where they weren't welcome.
Once inside the city, as was standard military practice when an enemy had refused to surrender, the Crusaders massacred the Muslim inhabitants, destroyed mosques and pillaged the city.
Cf. "The lengthy Siege of Antioch began in October 1097 and endured until June 1098. Once inside the city, as was standard military practice when an enemy had refused to surrender,[22] the Crusaders massacred the Muslim inhabitants, destroyed mosques and pillaged the city." [Crusades], and Saladin.
I believe there's a world of difference between the two. I wish modern Islam/Muslims had even a shred of Saladin in them. Hell, I wish xtians had too. I don't see that xtians have much improved from his time. I sense a trend that appears to affect both sides since then: determined, blind ignorance.
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1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
Yep, you read that right. Your fundamental rights are determined by what the government, courts, and special government bodies(like the CRTC) says they are. In other words, the charter is worth less than the paper it's written on.
FWIW, we out here in the West at the time were screaming from the rooftops that that's the way it was going to turn out. Easterners were too busy worshipping Trudeau to listen. Fox, chicken coop, ...
Network Neutrality is dead; long live Network neutrality. (that is the french translation)
Thanks, but that's actually the English translation, of course. :-)
I Think it was an excellent ruling.
Me too. Then again, Canadian law has often seemed capable of turning on a dime dependent only on which way the wind's blowing atm.
I'm glad my ISP's not going to be dinged for something they shouldn't be getting dinged for, not to mention all the "freedom for all of us" connotations. Michael Geist should be pleased.
"Outbreak of common sense reported. Film at 11:00, or 10:00 on CBC. In other news, Wendy Meslie *still* thinks Peter Mansbridge is a dork."
Yes - explain why you don't like this, and what you intend to do in your spare time that you wish to retain ownership of.
Why? Do you pay your employees for 24 hours/day? Why do you consider yourself entitled to things you're not paying for?
The OP informed the company of the vulnerability, which is the correct way to do.
For some reason the company doesn't update the app which is not good.
I think however OP should not make the specifics public afterwards.
I don't think he owes SouthWest anything. He's already given away for free valuable research into their app's security implications for their customers.
If they don't care enough about their own customers to do anything about it, that's up to SouthWest, and their customers deserve to be informed about that fact. I hope some jerk's hacking one of their customers right now, and we'll soon hear SouthWest's being sued into oblivion.
Things like this, along with finding out that iOS gives up my entire address book to an app without asking me first, leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes me question that review process.
I wonder how people who do this sort of thing got the job in the first place.
WTF?!? Why are people like this even being hired?!? Is SouthWest's management really this ignorant? How the !@#$ did they get their jobs?!? How do their planes even take off if this is the sort of thinking they do in that company?
"Eh, that's just IT, and IT's just a "cost centre"." Gaaahhd!
Consider the possibility of a person who is currently (and rightfully) on the Department of Homeland Security's 'No-Fly' list. If this person were able to capture a victim's credentials and create a fake ID, he could pass through TSA security without being stopped
Oh, please. Fuck off with the fearmongering. Even the DHS knows that the threat of terrorism is a bunch of bullshit.
Not to mention the fact that the TSA has never stopped anything. Quadrupled boarding times, humiliated grannies, scared children, yes, but stopped anything? Oh wait, Ted Kennedy and Rand Paul. "Brillant!" [sic]
Goddamnit /., this sucks:
"One of the most overlooked advantages to computers is... If they do foul up, there's no law against whacking them around a little. -- Joe Martin"
Computers don't "foul up". Computers do exactly what they're told to do, to a fault!
Go watch 2010:A Space Oddyssey again until you get it, damnit!
[Grumble, mumble, rassafrackin', jiggafriggin', ...]
WTF? eBay requires ActiveX? Since when? I don't recall PayPal ever requiring installation of an ActiveX control, much less eBay. I really think you're spreading misinformation...
'Sounds odd to me too. I've dealt with eBay and PayPal, and I'm pretty sure my Linux boxes don't do ActiveX.
However, if he uses Windows, it may. Don't know if it's required or not. Pretty seriously stupid, if so.
We use the built in iOS classes for HTTP requests that support SSL transparently. The US government still required us to register for export compliance. It's really senseless.
I think you misspelled "insane."
And, I wonder when the tsunami of refugees pouring across the 49th parallel into Canada, and the Rio Grande into Mexico, is going to start. Good luck containing that, DHS.
Fuck that. Just ship with the code. What's more likely to happen, your obscure app being noticed by bureaucrats or hackers?
The problem with that is you forgot to take into account the legal system and lawyers. Bottom feeders love potential victims like you. They're patient, and they'll eventually find you.
US companies are prevented from taking basic steps to protect online privacy for exactly the same reason that mild external threats are hyped and used as justification to strip other rights from US citizens -- the US is a fascist, occupation government with absolutely no regard for the rule of law.
Maybe it's just me, but I see the US as a bloated red giant star that's just finished burning up its fuel. It's about to collapse into itself going nova but has so far been held up by sheer momentum. It's already dead but doesn't realize it yet. I thought this silliness had gone the way of the dodo soon after the FBI wised up to what Phil Zimmerman was really doing.
Wow. Can we possibly get this over with before the presidential election? I'd like to avoid all of that if possible. I'm going to miss you guys. Bon chance.
Critics nonetheless mewl argue that patents "stifle innovation."
"Can we STOP THE GODDAMNED MEWLING!?!"
-- Kira; "Chronicles of Riddick".
This is like arguing that requiring people to pay money at a restaurant "stifles feeding," or that making it illegal to steal a UPS truck to start a delivery service "stifles entrepreneurship."
WTF does that even mean?!? "Bandaids stifle bleeding. Breathing stifles asphyxiation." Er, what? Did you have a point to make?
Oh, I know the old saw that you can make infinite copies of a digital file, but that ignores how expensive it can be to produce the first copy. We need to find a good way of protecting the folks who invest in that first copy. If that means patents, I think that's fine.
ITYM copyrights, not patents.
I think I'm okay with Paul McCartney and his designated distribution arm being the only ones legally allowed to sell copies of Wings' music, because that (in theory) ensures he gets his royalty.
I'm not okay with Apple suing restaurants in Germany for using the generic word "apple" in their name. That's just lawyers abusing the system for no reason other than their greed.
OK, since no-one read TFA, let alone TFA's comments:
Guilty. :-(
In other words, there's no problem with leaving a bunch of cookies on a table, then selling the rights to cookies to a debt collector, who shakes down everyone who ate one for a fair price (determined through a process of valuing their kneecaps).
There are a lot of parallels that can be drawn between the way gov't works (patent system) and how the mafia works (protection rackets). It's always surprised me that people think they are entirely unrelated processes. It all comes down to how good/believable is your PR.
Say, someone discovers a way to convert scrap metal to gold.
That person should be allowed to have a patent on it.
i) Why?
ii) [Tangentially] If someone can convert scrap metal to gold, what the hell does he need a patent for? He's already in a better position than King Midas.
The patent was nothing new, there was plenty of prior art. They got lucky with a silly examiner, that's all.
There's that, and then there's the bit that the whole patent system is a gov't granted monopoly hack intended to skew the workings of the free market. In programmer terms, it's as bad as a goto. There are lots of ways to do what that intends to do without doing it in such an ugly way.
Plenty of vibrant industries don't rely on the patent system at all (eg. the fashion industry). The patent system enriches lawyers, full stop. It doesn't "promote the sciences and useful arts" at all, and seeing how capricious and how easily gamed it is as presently implemented, it should be abandoned.
Eg., Apple's look and feel patent !@#$ just disgusts me. They've done great stuff in the past. They shouldn't feel the need for crap like this now.
Maganese oxide? I thought [Manganese] was used for Galvanizing metal.
Don't you mean zinc?
Yeah. One of [Manganese's] uses is to control rust in steel. I used Galvanizing as a generalized term. I should have [known] better on /.
It averages out. I didn't know that about manganese. Now we're both richer. :-)
Some of us (well, I am anyway) are a veritable bottomless pit full of useless information. Put me in a room with iron ore, coal, and zinc, and I doubt I'd be coming out with any galvanized steel any time soon.
The theory is the science; applying it is the engineering.
I think we're getting pretty close to splitting hairs here (or arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin).
Some of the !@#$ NASA does looks like engineering ("implementation"/engineering), but they're really just making it up as they're doing it ("inventing"/science). Ditto, LHC.
It's a fine line, is all I'm saying.
I'm not trying to diss either engineers or scientists, btw. I love 'em both for what they bring to the table. I'm personally more comfortable around engineers, but I (not so secretly) idolize scientists.
Mmmm, Samantha Carter, mmmmm, ...
Buddy, you're the one who wants to be a Christian. You shouldn't be complaining to us about how heavy is that cross you're bearing. If you don't want to read things that upset you, don't read it. You have no right what so !@#$ing ever to tell me what to write or not write, or what to believe or not believe. Nor do I assume any right to dictate the same to you.
Lots of people think yours is a belief system that's been obsolete for at least a thousand years. Suck it up.
Lots of people like you have been terrorizing people like me for twice that long, at least. You bet I'm going to be annoyed at stuff like that still going on in the 21st century.
I can work with religious geeks. It's none of my business what they believe outside of geekdom. Don't expect me to respect beliefs like that, and we'll get along fine. I'm not going to bother trying to turn you from your beliefs; none of my damned business, that's for you to sort out and I feel no need to interfere. Besides, that stuff's pretty boring to people like me.
I am still seriously annoyed about what happened to Giordano Bruno and Galileo, but I won't blame that on present day Xtians. You've no need to get your feathers ruffled. Just grow some more backbone if our views upset you.
... ie. the "why I am existing", which is a spiritual question ...
Not to me, it isn't. That's a philosophical question, and as religion and spirituality are primitive and backward forms of philosophy, they're not likely to get anywhere near close to answering questions like that.
However, you go ahead and believe whatever you want to believe. It's no skin off my nose.
Beside those already awful Facebook, Twitter, and G+ icons was a flag icon.
If you move your mouse' arrow way to the right, outside the body of the comment, all of them except for the flag disappear.
As for the rest of what you wrote, ?!?!?!? Maybe reddit is more your speed?
Actually, the whole understanding the implications and building something based on [it] isn't science, it's engineering. Science investigated phenomena; Engineering makes use of those phenomena.
Engineering is a superset which includes science. Engineering isn't engineering without the scientific component.
Is the LHC science or engineering, or both? NASA? :-)
I suspect we will start heaing about Christians being murdered in Islamic countries because they have the Bible on their cell phone.
You say that as if it's a bad thing. Xtians who've accepted Yahweh/God/Jesus as their saviour believe they're going to Heaven, and life here is just a stop over on the way to that.
Maybe the Crusades should have completed the job.
Maybe the Muslims should have completed the job, and wiped Xtianity from the face of the Earth. Maybe Islam would have remained the enlightened society it once was, if it didn't have to deal with homocidal/suicidal Xtians sticking their noses in where they weren't welcome.
After learning a bit about crusades, I came to the conclusion that the only dark spot in the crusading movement was the sack of Jerusalem ...
Though I don't disagree with the gist of your post, I do think you need to read a bit more about the Crusades to know what you're talking about: they were indeed pretty damned horrifically messy.:
Once inside the city, as was standard military practice when an enemy had refused to surrender, the Crusaders massacred the Muslim inhabitants, destroyed mosques and pillaged the city.
Praise $deity we're not living in those times.
The Saracens were just as bad.
Cf. "The lengthy Siege of Antioch began in October 1097 and endured until June 1098. Once inside the city, as was standard military practice when an enemy had refused to surrender,[22] the Crusaders massacred the Muslim inhabitants, destroyed mosques and pillaged the city." [Crusades], and Saladin.
I believe there's a world of difference between the two. I wish modern Islam/Muslims had even a shred of Saladin in them. Hell, I wish xtians had too. I don't see that xtians have much improved from his time. I sense a trend that appears to affect both sides since then: determined, blind ignorance.