Come to think of it, who are behaving like pirates in this case? The Irish Government or the MAFIAA & Co.?
Pirates, no. Gangsters, yes. Pirates don't just threaten to take your stuff if you fail to comply. This's classic protection racket stuff.
Why is it that, over the years, Ireland (and a few notable others) tend so often to pop up in the sights of these bums? Why Ireland? Why Spain? Wouldn't it be cheaper and more productive to buy (ie.) Southeast Asian or African pols than European pols?
We need to destroy Facebook before it destroys too much of us...
Not that I agree, nor that I think it would do any good ("Stupid is as stupid does, ma'am."), but considering the state of the US legal system, why aren't thousands of ambulance chasing lawyers playing with this? Maybe they're just holding back until the IPO?
I always check potential employee's Facebook pages to make sure they are cute, single and the right age before I call them in for an interview.
Hey, thanks! That's yet another great reason not to have a FB page. It means I won't be bothered with interview requests from leacherous jerks like that.
"Who would want to do that," they seem to ask. The obvious answer, of course, is "people with friends."
... among other people, is what you're forgetting. It's not only your friends who're (potentially) reading it. You should take off the rose colored glasses every once in a while.
"Good morning Joe. Thanks for coming in for an interview. Now, let's take a look at your documentation. Ah, I see you frequent bars, a lot it seems. I see that at least two of your close friends are drug users; one may even be dealing. Are you a drug user? There are at least two women linked to you who've complained you're a potentially violent individual. One person appears to be displaying stolen goods." "But I don't know that guy!" "He says he knows you."
Add $LEOs, stalkers, burglars ("He's gone to the bar. Let's hit his house now!"),...
It doesn't take any level of paranoia to want to avoid this sort of thing. It's enabling datamining of your personal information for advertisers, employers, stalkers, burglars,... For what? For something as easily done via email?!?
You've not even begun to make a case for FB. It's trivial to make a case against it.
Any pragmatic person would not look at issues so narrowly.
I defy anyone to make sense of the word "pragmatic." Go ahead, pull out your dictionaries; search the web. That is the greyest, most meaningless, most vanilla, most easily mangled word in the English language. Anyone can use it to support their argument, and it never means what they think it means.
I prefer specificity. Pragmatic is so unspecific, it's an empty concept which means whatever the speaker means. It's a mere placeholder; an empty string.
And you'd be wrong. I can trust my neighbour to watch out for my house and family, as I can for his. Some faceless bureaucrat thousands of miles away, in the employ of others I've never met, not so much.
Government doesn't have to be big and ugly and expensive and far away. It can be just our sense of right and wrong and inside us, looking out for each other's interests, just as it always was before all these big gangs took control.
Obama is right of center and only mildly more authoritarian than libertarian.
If you don't understand the meaning of a word, you shouldn't use it, else you make yourself appear a fool. Libertarians are not authoritarian. In fact, they're the opposite.
How did you come to the belief that Libertarians are authoritarian? It's really infuriating to those for whom words do have a specific meaning.
As for Obama, yes, he's a lot more authoritarian than average libertarians, as are and were all the statist plutocrats you've elected in the past.
Yes, because the problem with libertarianism is that while something not as drastic might happen, there would be no one monitoring that from happening.
I take it you're thinking of entities like the DEA, FDA, EPA, FCC, FBI, NSA, CIA, FTC,... & etc? So you believe that mere people are incapable of communicating with each other, informing their neighbours of what's good or bad out there, yada, yada? You believe the power of the press is an illusion? You believe civilization depends on us slapping vast amounts of cash down to fund vast bureaucracies whose job it is to "protect us" from each other? You approve of things like ICE and the TSA? In the current system, you've no say in whether or not they exist, by the way.
Just for a minute, consider how much green is going down that hole. Then add on all the corollary waste (Congress & Senate, and state legislatures and senates,...) that sets it into place and maintains it. Imagine what all that cash could mean to your children's future. Imagine how much sheer waste you're promoting!
I don't believe you're getting your money's worth. Cf. Occams razor.
I don't know of anyone who advocates your definition of a 'true free market.' We need a a set of regulations in order to ensure fair competition and fair rights for workers.
You do now. I don't trust BS systems like that.
I trust in reputation, recommendations from those I trust, & etc. Some TLA in $captol?!? Ha! Not a chance.
Fantastic. I'm really happy with the idea of spending much of my life litigating a bunch of profit loving morons that are planning on getting away with as much as is humanly possible.
Huh. That sounds a lot like today, in real life. So, how is it that your reality is better?
In a true free market, I would be able to put rat poison in a can labeled NUTRITIOUS FOOD and sell it.
... and in a true free market after your arbiters and their arbiters got together, privately hired thugs would come by and dispose of you for your aggressive deception in the market.
Because thats EXACTLY what the world should be like!
Yes. Problem? "Daddy, there's a guy down at the end of the block selling poison as food." "Well son, go shoot him. He's at least a potential murderer."
Do you have a problem with this, or would you prefer children be sold rat poison when it's mis-labled as nitritional?
A lot of the stuff peolple like me spout is intended to be self-correcting. A few instances of this !@#$ happening, it wouldn't be happening much longer...
Kind of like concealed carry laws. Nutbar stands up in a McDonalds with a gun, and twenty people pull out their guns and blow him away. Fuck you very much!
No, I assert that as it's defined today Libertarianism is a complete farce, and simply doesn't take modern realities into account.
What weasle words.:-P
i) Defined by who? You? Not good enough.
ii) Modern realities... What modern realities?!?
If funding the government was voluntary, nobody would do it.
If it was interested in doing anything I approved of, yes, I would!
I've read the books...
Doubt it. B! S!
It works out well for the privileged, and those in power...
Yup, you skimmed well. Way to go shallow, as a pane of glass.
You're just mouthing off about things you've never bothered to do *any* research into. Please, $deity, make me wake up on a planet inhabited by better people!
So, identify these needs, and build non-violent replacements for each of them. When they're all complete, government will be merely an expensive alternate implementation.
You make it sound so... reasonable. I'm fairly sure there's a whole lot of TLAs out there which would consider that a threat to their operation.
Gov't doesn't play nice. You're not going to get away with beating them on merit. Sad, but know thy enemy.
Libertarians are more likely to be intellectually immature internet addicts with far too high an opinion of themselves.
*That's* what you got onto the net to say today? Really? That's all you've got?!? Let me help you:
$blah are more likely to be intellectually immature internet addicts with far too high an opinion of themselves.
Tell me, why does the latter contain any less value than the boring vitriol you posted? Why aren't you posting as AC? You'd be more in character that way.
In case you need it spelled out for you, YOU'RE PREJUDICE DRIVEN! You're making blanket statements about whole populations. There's a lot of people out there, including some libertarians, most of whom you've never met, and most of who think nothing like that $asshole_libertarian_you_once_met.
It's better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and confirm the fact.
I have a dream, where I wake up in a world populated only by people who think before they speak.
Is it Monday? You guys just enjoy playing with my mind, yes? Scott Adams is running for President?!? Since when?!? WTF?!?
Fine. Turnabout's fair play. Ptheh.
... engineers -especially Silicon Valley types- like to think that they're libertarians, they are in fact much more likely to be control-freak technocrats.
Point of order, Mr. Speaker... I'm a small "l" libertarian, and I'm somewhat of a "control freak technocrat." Why do you believe it's so difficult to be both? Methinks you don't really understand the meaning of the words you're using.
On systems I admin or support, I'm a benevolent tyrant; no apologies. I enjoy protecting the weak (no offence intended) from hurting themselves. It's my job! They're welcome to play all they want and have all the fun they can, but at the end of the day, if they can't find the file they need, that's my fault. I don't expect them to know what they're doing, nor to read all the spiffy documentation I write for them, nor to bother to understand the informative emails I'm continually bombarding them with. I do expect that the backups I create can be read. I do expect that I can clobber their lost password when they need me to. I do expect them to fear me when there's a need for that (which isn't often). I'm not ordinarily a BOFH (too much work), but I can be when necessary.
I want users to have all the freedom they can grab for. That means I need control of the system to ensure they get it. This is not a difficult question. When I'm logged in as root, I'm carrying lit sticks of dynamite in both hands. That's serious business. You just go on with your day and ignore the messes I'm dealing with. We'll both be better off that way.
However, if he honestly doesn't understand why the abuse of children should be illegal then [he's] a sick individual.
You're making a possibly unfounded assumption that it's obviously abusive. At least one post I've seen above says he'd have welcomed this sort of thing when he was a kid. I tend to agree with him. This has to be the strangest thread I've read on/.
The religious are so friggin' hung up on sex. Some people tend to get horribly mangled by bad experiences, leading to years of psychological problems with same. Maybe some people ought not get so hung up on this stuff (ya think?!?)? Maybe a learning experience is just a learning experience, and some people take this stuff *way* too seriously?
It's just bodies. It's just flesh and flesh. Do you really need to focus that much vitriol on something that takes like five minutes, to the point of ruining your life? Sheesh. No, I don't advocate child pron, but I don't think some creepy uncle fiddling with me as a child would have ruined me as a human being.
So what if your creepy uncle did $blah to you? Does that really mean your life is ruined? If so, why?!?
Lots of people seem to think RMS is some sort of socialist. Sounds like he's a lot more libertarian than some people give him credit for.
Once you get to know them, you'll find there's a lot of gray in both of those concepts. They're not mutually exclusive. I think there's lots to admire of (ie.) Swedish socialism, and I've read libertarian stuff that reeked of tyranny. Context is important, as is perspective.
I don't much care what RMS does with his toe jam (none of my damned business, and eeeww!). I do seriously thank him for his OS (emacs), et al.
I can seriously see why they don't bother guarding it.. I can't see any real valuable tools or other fancy looking components laying around...
Value lies in the eye of the beholder. I wonder if there's potential "dirty bomb" materials laying around in the back rooms. A little missed plutonium, selenium,... goes a long way in the right circles.
My first thought on seeing this story: more of the same, plus ca change... May we please have that revolution in management I've been praying for for so long? Please?
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I find it funny you're against selling a poison which is deliberately sold to be ingested or inhaled for the general public to consume.
*Way* OT, I know, but are you also in favor of banning skydiving, mountain climbing, hang gliding, motor sports, rodeos, ...?
Ya wanna live forever kid? You're not going to.
Come to think of it, who are behaving like pirates in this case? The Irish Government or the MAFIAA & Co.?
Pirates, no. Gangsters, yes. Pirates don't just threaten to take your stuff if you fail to comply. This's classic protection racket stuff.
Why is it that, over the years, Ireland (and a few notable others) tend so often to pop up in the sights of these bums? Why Ireland? Why Spain? Wouldn't it be cheaper and more productive to buy (ie.) Southeast Asian or African pols than European pols?
We need to destroy Facebook before it destroys too much of us ...
Not that I agree, nor that I think it would do any good ("Stupid is as stupid does, ma'am."), but considering the state of the US legal system, why aren't thousands of ambulance chasing lawyers playing with this? Maybe they're just holding back until the IPO?
I always check potential employee's Facebook pages to make sure they are cute, single and the right age before I call them in for an interview.
Hey, thanks! That's yet another great reason not to have a FB page. It means I won't be bothered with interview requests from leacherous jerks like that.
And there is some conjecture that a friend or coworker screwed her.
That was an extremely bad choice of words, suggesting she'd had "relations" with a co-worker.
tl;dr She appears to have been "pushed under a bus" by another teacher.
"Who would want to do that," they seem to ask. The obvious answer, of course, is "people with friends."
... among other people, is what you're forgetting. It's not only your friends who're (potentially) reading it. You should take off the rose colored glasses every once in a while.
"Good morning Joe. Thanks for coming in for an interview. Now, let's take a look at your documentation. Ah, I see you frequent bars, a lot it seems. I see that at least two of your close friends are drug users; one may even be dealing. Are you a drug user? There are at least two women linked to you who've complained you're a potentially violent individual. One person appears to be displaying stolen goods." "But I don't know that guy!" "He says he knows you."
Add $LEOs, stalkers, burglars ("He's gone to the bar. Let's hit his house now!"), ...
It doesn't take any level of paranoia to want to avoid this sort of thing. It's enabling datamining of your personal information for advertisers, employers, stalkers, burglars, ... For what? For something as easily done via email?!?
You've not even begun to make a case for FB. It's trivial to make a case against it.
And before someone jumps on "aliterate", look the word up in Webster's first.
Meanwhile, you can look up "dodn't". Spell checkers don't help much, but proofreading can do wonders.
Any pragmatic person would not look at issues so narrowly.
I defy anyone to make sense of the word "pragmatic." Go ahead, pull out your dictionaries; search the web. That is the greyest, most meaningless, most vanilla, most easily mangled word in the English language. Anyone can use it to support their argument, and it never means what they think it means.
I prefer specificity. Pragmatic is so unspecific, it's an empty concept which means whatever the speaker means. It's a mere placeholder; an empty string.
I call that anarchy.
And you'd be wrong. I can trust my neighbour to watch out for my house and family, as I can for his. Some faceless bureaucrat thousands of miles away, in the employ of others I've never met, not so much.
Government doesn't have to be big and ugly and expensive and far away. It can be just our sense of right and wrong and inside us, looking out for each other's interests, just as it always was before all these big gangs took control.
If liberal & conservative are left and right, authoritarian and libertarian are down and up.
Call me a pedant. I'll be up in the top right hand corner.
Obama is right of center and only mildly more authoritarian than libertarian.
If you don't understand the meaning of a word, you shouldn't use it, else you make yourself appear a fool. Libertarians are not authoritarian. In fact, they're the opposite.
How did you come to the belief that Libertarians are authoritarian? It's really infuriating to those for whom words do have a specific meaning.
As for Obama, yes, he's a lot more authoritarian than average libertarians, as are and were all the statist plutocrats you've elected in the past.
Yes, because the problem with libertarianism is that while something not as drastic might happen, there would be no one monitoring that from happening.
I take it you're thinking of entities like the DEA, FDA, EPA, FCC, FBI, NSA, CIA, FTC, ... & etc? So you believe that mere people are incapable of communicating with each other, informing their neighbours of what's good or bad out there, yada, yada? You believe the power of the press is an illusion? You believe civilization depends on us slapping vast amounts of cash down to fund vast bureaucracies whose job it is to "protect us" from each other? You approve of things like ICE and the TSA? In the current system, you've no say in whether or not they exist, by the way.
Just for a minute, consider how much green is going down that hole. Then add on all the corollary waste (Congress & Senate, and state legislatures and senates, ...) that sets it into place and maintains it. Imagine what all that cash could mean to your children's future. Imagine how much sheer waste you're promoting!
I don't believe you're getting your money's worth. Cf. Occams razor.
I don't know of anyone who advocates your definition of a 'true free market.' We need a a set of regulations in order to ensure fair competition and fair rights for workers.
You do now. I don't trust BS systems like that.
I trust in reputation, recommendations from those I trust, & etc. Some TLA in $captol?!? Ha! Not a chance.
Assault and attempted murder aren't allowed under a free market, moron.
What?!? Of course they are!
Hunting you down and ripping your throat out after the fact is allowed too. So, think about it. Do you really want to go there? Take your time.
Fantastic. I'm really happy with the idea of spending much of my life litigating a bunch of profit loving morons that are planning on getting away with as much as is humanly possible.
Huh. That sounds a lot like today, in real life. So, how is it that your reality is better?
Sic semper tyrannis!
In a true free market, I would be able to put rat poison in a can labeled NUTRITIOUS FOOD and sell it.
... and in a true free market after your arbiters and their arbiters got together, privately hired thugs would come by and dispose of you for your aggressive deception in the market.
Because thats EXACTLY what the world should be like!
Yes. Problem? "Daddy, there's a guy down at the end of the block selling poison as food." "Well son, go shoot him. He's at least a potential murderer."
Do you have a problem with this, or would you prefer children be sold rat poison when it's mis-labled as nitritional?
A lot of the stuff peolple like me spout is intended to be self-correcting. A few instances of this !@#$ happening, it wouldn't be happening much longer ...
Kind of like concealed carry laws. Nutbar stands up in a McDonalds with a gun, and twenty people pull out their guns and blow him away. Fuck you very much!
No, I assert that as it's defined today Libertarianism is a complete farce, and simply doesn't take modern realities into account.
What weasle words. :-P
i) Defined by who? You? Not good enough.
ii) Modern realities ... What modern realities?!?
If funding the government was voluntary, nobody would do it.
If it was interested in doing anything I approved of, yes, I would!
I've read the books ...
Doubt it. B! S!
It works out well for the privileged, and those in power ...
Yup, you skimmed well. Way to go shallow, as a pane of glass.
You're just mouthing off about things you've never bothered to do *any* research into. Please, $deity, make me wake up on a planet inhabited by better people!
I'm afraid I simply don't believe that any more than I believe that tax cuts for the rich makes all of our lives better.
Partisan troll detected. Demopublican? Republicrat? Whatever.
Think about the ideas we're talking about, not your preferred constituency.
So, identify these needs, and build non-violent replacements for each of them. When they're all complete, government will be merely an expensive alternate implementation.
You make it sound so ... reasonable. I'm fairly sure there's a whole lot of TLAs out there which would consider that a threat to their operation.
Gov't doesn't play nice. You're not going to get away with beating them on merit. Sad, but know thy enemy.
Libertarians are more likely to be intellectually immature internet addicts with far too high an opinion of themselves.
*That's* what you got onto the net to say today? Really? That's all you've got?!? Let me help you:
$blah are more likely to be intellectually immature internet addicts with far too high an opinion of themselves.
Tell me, why does the latter contain any less value than the boring vitriol you posted? Why aren't you posting as AC? You'd be more in character that way.
In case you need it spelled out for you, YOU'RE PREJUDICE DRIVEN! You're making blanket statements about whole populations. There's a lot of people out there, including some libertarians, most of whom you've never met, and most of who think nothing like that $asshole_libertarian_you_once_met.
It's better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and confirm the fact.
I have a dream, where I wake up in a world populated only by people who think before they speak.
Is it Monday? You guys just enjoy playing with my mind, yes? Scott Adams is running for President?!? Since when?!? WTF?!?
Fine. Turnabout's fair play. Ptheh.
... engineers -especially Silicon Valley types- like to think that they're libertarians, they are in fact much more likely to be control-freak technocrats.
Point of order, Mr. Speaker ... I'm a small "l" libertarian, and I'm somewhat of a "control freak technocrat." Why do you believe it's so difficult to be both? Methinks you don't really understand the meaning of the words you're using.
On systems I admin or support, I'm a benevolent tyrant; no apologies. I enjoy protecting the weak (no offence intended) from hurting themselves. It's my job! They're welcome to play all they want and have all the fun they can, but at the end of the day, if they can't find the file they need, that's my fault. I don't expect them to know what they're doing, nor to read all the spiffy documentation I write for them, nor to bother to understand the informative emails I'm continually bombarding them with. I do expect that the backups I create can be read. I do expect that I can clobber their lost password when they need me to. I do expect them to fear me when there's a need for that (which isn't often). I'm not ordinarily a BOFH (too much work), but I can be when necessary.
I want users to have all the freedom they can grab for. That means I need control of the system to ensure they get it. This is not a difficult question. When I'm logged in as root, I'm carrying lit sticks of dynamite in both hands. That's serious business. You just go on with your day and ignore the messes I'm dealing with. We'll both be better off that way.
Ah, crap. /usr's filling up. !@#$ Never mind ...
However, if he honestly doesn't understand why the abuse of children should be illegal then [he's] a sick individual.
You're making a possibly unfounded assumption that it's obviously abusive. At least one post I've seen above says he'd have welcomed this sort of thing when he was a kid. I tend to agree with him. This has to be the strangest thread I've read on /.
The religious are so friggin' hung up on sex. Some people tend to get horribly mangled by bad experiences, leading to years of psychological problems with same. Maybe some people ought not get so hung up on this stuff (ya think?!?)? Maybe a learning experience is just a learning experience, and some people take this stuff *way* too seriously?
It's just bodies. It's just flesh and flesh. Do you really need to focus that much vitriol on something that takes like five minutes, to the point of ruining your life? Sheesh. No, I don't advocate child pron, but I don't think some creepy uncle fiddling with me as a child would have ruined me as a human being.
So what if your creepy uncle did $blah to you? Does that really mean your life is ruined? If so, why?!?
Lots of people seem to think RMS is some sort of socialist. Sounds like he's a lot more libertarian than some people give him credit for.
Once you get to know them, you'll find there's a lot of gray in both of those concepts. They're not mutually exclusive. I think there's lots to admire of (ie.) Swedish socialism, and I've read libertarian stuff that reeked of tyranny. Context is important, as is perspective.
I don't much care what RMS does with his toe jam (none of my damned business, and eeeww!). I do seriously thank him for his OS (emacs), et al.
I can seriously see why they don't bother guarding it.. I can't see any real valuable tools or other fancy looking components laying around...
Value lies in the eye of the beholder. I wonder if there's potential "dirty bomb" materials laying around in the back rooms. A little missed plutonium, selenium, ... goes a long way in the right circles.
My first thought on seeing this story: more of the same, plus ca change ... May we please have that revolution in management I've been praying for for so long? Please?
Damn, my $deity appears to be broken. :-P