I dont get what is wrong in your eyes with the Adam and Eve myth. It is a nice story and every child know: it is just a story.
Not according to the bible and the Catholic church, they claim it is 100% true and it's to be taken literally.
If you don't see what's wrong with that then I probably can't find a way to make you understand. The fact that it's also taught to countless children as the literal truth is probably also something you don't understand as being wrong.
I am grateful that I live in a peaceful country that does not require me to keep a handgun or machine gun at home for defence.
Me too. There's no requirement that I keep a firearm, but unlike in your country, I have the freedom to do so if I want to.
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In fact we don't have the right to have handguns
That's too bad that you and your fellow citizens don't have the freedom to do what you want. To be frank, I'd hardly count the lack of rights as a "win".
People who believe this stuff believe that God provides for his people in part by arranging for science to happen.
People who believe in this stuff also believe in talking snakes, demon pigs, towns full of people coming back to life, and a boatload of other magical bullshit.
I have little or no respect for people that propose unfalsifiable "explanations" as to why things happen.
"Their report adds that the new technology "should block thousands of their illegal images from being viewed on the Internet."
Thousands....out of what are probably millions if not billions of images?
Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely 100% against the sexual exploitation of children, but this seems like less than a drop in the bucket.
We routinely read about police finding people with tens or hundreds of thousands of child porn images on their computer, how does blocking a few thousand make any significant difference?
There is no definition in the bible that I'm aware of that makes a sin an offense or insult to god.
There's no definition in the bible that says the Earth is a sphere, yet you insist it says exactly that. The head poobah of the Catholic Church says that sin is an offense to god, so maybe you and he can get together and work it out.
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Like you shoot at a target with your arrow or gun, you either say: hit/score or miss/failed. Sin means "miss/failed".
You've failed completely at trying to prove or show that this is what "sin" actually means.
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Hence your conclusion Sin is an affront or offense to god can't be right.
It's not my conclusion- I'm quoting verbatim from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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However there are "capital sins" perhaps they are considered offenses to god? But a quick googling dos not say so.
That is exactly what a "quick googling" says. That's how I found the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I quoted.
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However, lets stop here... or at least soon.... after all: I have only basic knowledge about it.
I think it's clear that you don't even have basic knowledge about it, since nearly everything you've said has been dead wrong.
No, the reason it is choke full with ridiculous errors is: The got introduced by various translations from and to languages that are not related.
I see....so the whole bit about god making Adam out of dirt, and then making Eve out of one of his ribs, and then a talking snake in a magical garden convincing her to eat a forbidden fruit which had the effect of making us all mortal...that's all just because it was mistranslated?
What the fuck did they translate it from? Klingon?
Wherespecifically is masturbation proclaimed in Genesis or Leviticus as being sin?? The story in Genesis 38:8-10 is not about masturbation but about a man fulfilling his legal duty to carry on the family's name and refusing to do that.
Well then we better email the Pope and tell him to straighten this out ASAP.
There's almost no mention of homosexuality in the Bible either way.
I know. You know what Jesus said about homosexuals? Nothing, not a single word.
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The Quran, I don't know about what's written, but it's always the Muslims, not the Lutherans, who murdered a few more homosexuals this week by throwing them off buildings.
Be honest- the Lutherans and Christians and Baptists and all the other denominations would do the same thing if they thought they could get away with it, like they did for centuries. They can't anymore, but they did, and they would again if they got the chance.
Obviously you never learned anything about Shinto, Hinduism, Zaratustra, Yezidi, Bush Man religions, Anoriginies, Hawaiian or Vikings/Norse/Teutons or Roman or greek or Egyptian or Buddhism (insert random "nation").
It's like, super cool how you think you can read my mind and know what I have and haven't learned.:)
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The bible is a collection of writings of various authors and we don't even know who or which groups made that "collection" to form one book from it.
The bible was written by ignorant, Bronze-Age sheep herders who lived in the desert, and most of them had never been more than about 10 miles from where they were born. That's why it's so chock-full of ridiculous errors.
The definition of Sin is what the ancient Christians defined it. Not what the Vatikan does.
LOL, why don't you take that up with the Pope and see what he says? Or do your opinion outweigh the Pope's?
Too funny- you religious fanatics ALWAYS seem to have your very own interpretation of what the various bible verses mean and what the commandments mean and what god really means...and every one of you lives in your own little Truth Bubble. Too fucking funny!!
But of course you are privy to The One True Interpretation and all those other people- they're just wrong. LOL!!
That is an assumption that is very likely false. For everyone with good eyes and basic concepts of geometry it always was obvious that earth is anything but flat.
Nooooooooooo. Nice try, but for centuries pretty much everyone believed the Earth to be flat. The bible even makes the claim:
Isaiah 40:22: "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Except the Earth is NOT a circle, it's an oblate sphere. A circle is flat, a sphere is not.
‘Within its historical context, therefore, the conception of the “earth” in Gen 1 is most probably that of a single continent in the shape of a flat circular disc. In addition the Hebrews were influenced via the patriarchs by Mesopotamian concepts and via Moses and their time in Egypt by Egyptian concepts. It is, therefore, all the more historically probable that the writer and first readers of Gen 1 thought of the earth as a single continent in the shape of a flat circular disc.’ https://www.trueorigin.org/fla...
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That is a Christian thing. And the Islam took it over from Christianity. No idea how the Jews see it.
Then maybe you should educate yourself. There is no 'Hell' in the Jewish faith.
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Most other religions don't really distinguish between Heaven or Hell, but have a common afterlife, that probably contain particular good spots (like Walhalla versus Hel - Hel, not hell). Plenty of religions believe in reincarnation or continued life in the memories of the offsprings/successors.
What's your point? So if a lot of people believe in something then it must be true? Are you seriously claiming that it must be true because lots of people believe in it? That's argumentum ad populum, a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it. That's a FAIL. The number of people that believe in something does not indicate whether or not it's true.
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Do you actually have religion classes in your country? And what do you learn there?
Yes, my country is filled to the brim with all sorts of cranks and simple-minded folk who believe in magical fairy tales, especially the bible. The bible is riddled with errors, so I don't know why anyone would put any stock in it, but people will believe any kind of crazy shit for all sorts of reasons (usually ignorance).
If you want to argue about religions you should know the basics.
Perhaps it's you that needs to learn the basics. Here's something from the Catechism of the Catholic Church that should help make it clear to you:
THE DEFINITION OF SIN Sin is an offense against God: "Against you, you alone, have I sinned, and done that which is evil in your sight." http://www.vatican.va/archive/...
Sin: An Offense Against God http://www.sermoncentral.com/s... Scriptures: Revelations 13:3-8; 16-18; 20:12-15; 12:10; 1 Corinthians 5
CHRISTIAN MORAL PRINCIPLES Question C:In what sense is sin an offense against God?
1.Certain sins, such as idolatry, obviously infringe upon religion, but it is not so clear what bearing most immoral acts have upon the relationship with God. How do immoral acts which do not directly involve religion nevertheless offend God? 2.St. Augustine defines sin as “anything done, said, or desired against the eternal law” "...In fact, however, sinners generally do not advert to the fact that their sins are offenses against God or, if they are believers, only reluctantly accept this implication of their sinning." http://www.twotlj.org/G-1-13-C...
Seems pretty fuckin' clear to me. Sin is defined as "an offense against god".
Uhhh, many of these people are still alive. Allen, Jagger, Gilmour, Wozniak...
Sure, but they'll all die eventually and we're told in no uncertain terms that Hell is forever, so sooner or later I'll get to hang out with them. It's inevitable, if you believe in this particular fairy tale.
also what do you know about what they believe in their hearts? that's what matters.
What I know is that they're all self-professed atheists, and they're happy to identify as such. According to christian dogma, atheists go to Hell for the sin of not believing.
One is by leading smart men and women to develop innovative prosthetics and other means to make amputees' impairments less disabling.
So in other words, SCIENCE, not god. And regardless, prosthetics mitigate the effects of the loss of a limb, they're not "healing".
That's a FAIL on your first stab at rationalizing the failure of your god to heal amputees. What else ya got?
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The other, if prophecies in Isaiah, Revelation, and elsewhere are to be believed, is by describing his plan to resurrect the dead into rebuilt bodies to fix up the earth during the millennium after Armageddon.
So, just wait for the Magical Pie In The Sky After You Die, is that it? And that's if you believe in this utter nonsense, which any rational person won't.
Sorry, that's a FAIL on your second attempt at rationalizing the failure of your god to heal amputees.
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This second bodily healing doesn't happen prematurely because God is busy illustrating a point to Satan.
Ooooooooh, that makes it all so clear. Your imaginary friend is "illustrating a point" to his imaginary enemy. Why that makes perfect sense, even if it still leaves the amputee without his or her arms and legs!
It's amazing the contortions that believers have to go through to try and rationalize their delusional beliefs.
The simple and straightforward explanation as to "why god doesn't heal amputees" is "because there is no god". Once you realize that, the entire universe and everything in it begins to make perfect sense.
Of course, it's just a question of if the worst happens do you want to take your chances on the quick draw like some cowboy, or play the odds and lose a wallet but almost certainly live.
You forgot option 3: Letting him have your wallet, then shooting him the back as he runs away.;)
Or if you're squeamish about shooting someone in the back, wait till he starts to leave, exclaim, "Hey, you forgot my Rolex!", and then shoot him in the face when he turns around.
And what if you're injured and your wife needs to use it to save your life? Just tell her (in the heat of a close quarters assault), "Here, put this ring on, quick!"
You're obviously an intelligent guy. If you're willing, please read the following two links. It shouldn't take too long. Proving God's Existence Does God Exist
Thanks, but I stopped reading comic books and fantasy novels decades ago.
And if god really does exist and faith healing works, why has god never healed an amputee?
Every single ethnic group believes in the afterlife in some form or fashion.
At one time, every single ethnic group believed that the Earth was flat. Turns out they were wrong.
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What will you do if you're wrong?
Ahhh, Pascal's Wager, the lamest of all "arguments" to believe in magical fairy tales.
If I'm wrong, I'll get to hang out with all the cool people- Jimi Hendrix, Christopher Hitchens, most of my friends, family, and lovers, Janis Joplin, Carl Sagan, Bertrand Russell, Douglas Adams, Woody Allen, Mick Jagger, Kevin Bacon, Richard Burton, George Carlin, Jeremy Clarkson, Jimmy Carr, Bruce Lee, Orson Welles, Robin Williams, David Gilmour, Charlie Parker, Steve Wozniak, etc etc etc....the list goes on and on.
If your god is willing to cast those people into the pit of Hell, then fuck your god, okay? Just fuck him.
No true Christians raise their children this way. I said "true" Christians.
Bullshit. That's like saying no "true" slashdot commenter ever uses the word "fuck" in a post.
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I'm a sinner and I fall short everyday, same as you.
No, you're just deluded. You've been lied to by people you trusted and you accepted the lies they told you, which were no doubt told to them by people they trusted.
I'm not a "sinner", because "sin" is an "offense against god", and you can't offend that which does not exist.
I may or may not "fall short" sometimes, but it's not because of a fairy tale about some woman being convinced to eat a piece of fruit by a talking snake in a magical garden.
Billions of children are raised on the delusion that there's a man in the sky who forbids them to masturbate and tells them to hate gay people. And you worry about something innocent such as this?
First, let's make sure all religious upbringing is classified as child abuse, then think about whether some nerdy shit is actually harmful.
Slashdot Mirror
"New Chip Offers Artificial Intelligence..."
They keep using that phrase, but I do not think that phrase means what they think that phrase means.
I dont get what is wrong in your eyes with the Adam and Eve myth. It is a nice story and every child know: it is just a story.
Not according to the bible and the Catholic church, they claim it is 100% true and it's to be taken literally.
If you don't see what's wrong with that then I probably can't find a way to make you understand. The fact that it's also taught to countless children as the literal truth is probably also something you don't understand as being wrong.
I am grateful that I live in a peaceful country that does not require me to keep a handgun or machine gun at home for defence.
Me too. There's no requirement that I keep a firearm, but unlike in your country, I have the freedom to do so if I want to.
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In fact we don't have the right to have handguns
That's too bad that you and your fellow citizens don't have the freedom to do what you want. To be frank, I'd hardly count the lack of rights as a "win".
I'd like some of whatever medication you're on, but in a smaller dose.
People who believe this stuff believe that God provides for his people in part by arranging for science to happen.
People who believe in this stuff also believe in talking snakes, demon pigs, towns full of people coming back to life, and a boatload of other magical bullshit.
I have little or no respect for people that propose unfalsifiable "explanations" as to why things happen.
"Their report adds that the new technology "should block thousands of their illegal images from being viewed on the Internet."
Thousands....out of what are probably millions if not billions of images?
Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely 100% against the sexual exploitation of children, but this seems like less than a drop in the bucket.
We routinely read about police finding people with tens or hundreds of thousands of child porn images on their computer, how does blocking a few thousand make any significant difference?
There is no definition in the bible that I'm aware of that makes a sin an offense or insult to god.
There's no definition in the bible that says the Earth is a sphere, yet you insist it says exactly that. The head poobah of the Catholic Church says that sin is an offense to god, so maybe you and he can get together and work it out.
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Like you shoot at a target with your arrow or gun, you either say: hit/score or miss/failed. Sin means "miss/failed".
You've failed completely at trying to prove or show that this is what "sin" actually means.
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Hence your conclusion Sin is an affront or offense to god can't be right.
It's not my conclusion- I'm quoting verbatim from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
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However there are "capital sins" perhaps they are considered offenses to god? But a quick googling dos not say so.
That is exactly what a "quick googling" says. That's how I found the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I quoted.
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However, lets stop here ... or at least soon. ... after all: I have only basic knowledge about it.
I think it's clear that you don't even have basic knowledge about it, since nearly everything you've said has been dead wrong.
No, the reason it is choke full with ridiculous errors is:
The got introduced by various translations from and to languages that are not related.
I see....so the whole bit about god making Adam out of dirt, and then making Eve out of one of his ribs, and then a talking snake in a magical garden convincing her to eat a forbidden fruit which had the effect of making us all mortal...that's all just because it was mistranslated?
What the fuck did they translate it from? Klingon?
Maybe they'll all change their minds at your funeral, and you'll be like lolwut?
I plan on outliving them all, and statistically speaking, I've got a decent shot at doing so. :)
Where specifically is masturbation proclaimed in Genesis or Leviticus as being sin??
The story in Genesis 38:8-10 is not about masturbation but about a man fulfilling his legal duty to carry on the family's name and refusing to do that.
Well then we better email the Pope and tell him to straighten this out ASAP.
There's almost no mention of homosexuality in the Bible either way.
I know. You know what Jesus said about homosexuals? Nothing, not a single word.
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The Quran, I don't know about what's written, but it's always the Muslims, not the Lutherans, who murdered a few more homosexuals this week by throwing them off buildings.
Be honest- the Lutherans and Christians and Baptists and all the other denominations would do the same thing if they thought they could get away with it, like they did for centuries. They can't anymore, but they did, and they would again if they got the chance.
Obviously you never learned anything about Shinto, Hinduism, Zaratustra, Yezidi, Bush Man religions, Anoriginies, Hawaiian or Vikings/Norse/Teutons or Roman or greek or Egyptian or Buddhism (insert random "nation").
It's like, super cool how you think you can read my mind and know what I have and haven't learned. :)
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The bible is a collection of writings of various authors and we don't even know who or which groups made that "collection" to form one book from it.
The bible was written by ignorant, Bronze-Age sheep herders who lived in the desert, and most of them had never been more than about 10 miles from where they were born. That's why it's so chock-full of ridiculous errors.
The definition of Sin is what the ancient Christians defined it.
Not what the Vatikan does.
LOL, why don't you take that up with the Pope and see what he says? Or do your opinion outweigh the Pope's?
Too funny- you religious fanatics ALWAYS seem to have your very own interpretation of what the various bible verses mean and what the commandments mean and what god really means...and every one of you lives in your own little Truth Bubble. Too fucking funny!!
But of course you are privy to The One True Interpretation and all those other people- they're just wrong. LOL!!
That is an assumption that is very likely false. For everyone with good eyes and basic concepts of geometry it always was obvious that earth is anything but flat.
Nooooooooooo. Nice try, but for centuries pretty much everyone believed the Earth to be flat. The bible even makes the claim:
Isaiah 40:22: "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
Except the Earth is NOT a circle, it's an oblate sphere. A circle is flat, a sphere is not.
‘Within its historical context, therefore, the conception of the “earth” in Gen 1 is most probably that of a single continent in the shape of a flat circular disc. In addition the Hebrews were influenced via the patriarchs by Mesopotamian concepts and via Moses and their time in Egypt by Egyptian concepts. It is, therefore, all the more historically probable that the writer and first readers of Gen 1 thought of the earth as a single continent in the shape of a flat circular disc.’
https://www.trueorigin.org/fla...
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That is a Christian thing. And the Islam took it over from Christianity. No idea how the Jews see it.
Then maybe you should educate yourself. There is no 'Hell' in the Jewish faith.
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Most other religions don't really distinguish between Heaven or Hell, but have a common afterlife, that probably contain particular good spots (like Walhalla versus Hel - Hel, not hell). Plenty of religions believe in reincarnation or continued life in the memories of the offsprings/successors.
What's your point? So if a lot of people believe in something then it must be true? Are you seriously claiming that it must be true because lots of people believe in it? That's argumentum ad populum, a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it. That's a FAIL. The number of people that believe in something does not indicate whether or not it's true.
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Do you actually have religion classes in your country? And what do you learn there?
Yes, my country is filled to the brim with all sorts of cranks and simple-minded folk who believe in magical fairy tales, especially the bible. The bible is riddled with errors, so I don't know why anyone would put any stock in it, but people will believe any kind of crazy shit for all sorts of reasons (usually ignorance).
If you want to argue about religions you should know the basics.
Perhaps it's you that needs to learn the basics. Here's something from the Catechism of the Catholic Church that should help make it clear to you:
THE DEFINITION OF SIN
Sin is an offense against God: "Against you, you alone, have I sinned, and done that which is evil in your sight."
http://www.vatican.va/archive/...
Sin: An Offense Against God
http://www.sermoncentral.com/s...
Scriptures: Revelations 13:3-8; 16-18; 20:12-15; 12:10; 1 Corinthians 5
CHRISTIAN MORAL PRINCIPLES
Question C:In what sense is sin an offense against God?
1.Certain sins, such as idolatry, obviously infringe upon religion, but it is not so clear what bearing most immoral acts have upon the relationship with God. How do immoral acts which do not directly involve religion nevertheless offend God?
2.St. Augustine defines sin as “anything done, said, or desired against the eternal law”
"...In fact, however, sinners generally do not advert to the fact that their sins are offenses against God or, if they are believers, only reluctantly accept this implication of their sinning."
http://www.twotlj.org/G-1-13-C...
Seems pretty fuckin' clear to me. Sin is defined as "an offense against god".
Uhhh, many of these people are still alive. Allen, Jagger, Gilmour, Wozniak...
Sure, but they'll all die eventually and we're told in no uncertain terms that Hell is forever, so sooner or later I'll get to hang out with them. It's inevitable, if you believe in this particular fairy tale.
also what do you know about what they believe in their hearts? that's what matters.
What I know is that they're all self-professed atheists, and they're happy to identify as such. According to christian dogma, atheists go to Hell for the sin of not believing.
One is by leading smart men and women to develop innovative prosthetics and other means to make amputees' impairments less disabling.
So in other words, SCIENCE, not god. And regardless, prosthetics mitigate the effects of the loss of a limb, they're not "healing".
That's a FAIL on your first stab at rationalizing the failure of your god to heal amputees. What else ya got?
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The other, if prophecies in Isaiah, Revelation, and elsewhere are to be believed, is by describing his plan to resurrect the dead into rebuilt bodies to fix up the earth during the millennium after Armageddon.
So, just wait for the Magical Pie In The Sky After You Die, is that it? And that's if you believe in this utter nonsense, which any rational person won't.
Sorry, that's a FAIL on your second attempt at rationalizing the failure of your god to heal amputees.
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This second bodily healing doesn't happen prematurely because God is busy illustrating a point to Satan.
Ooooooooh, that makes it all so clear. Your imaginary friend is "illustrating a point" to his imaginary enemy. Why that makes perfect sense, even if it still leaves the amputee without his or her arms and legs!
It's amazing the contortions that believers have to go through to try and rationalize their delusional beliefs.
The simple and straightforward explanation as to "why god doesn't heal amputees" is "because there is no god". Once you realize that, the entire universe and everything in it begins to make perfect sense.
Of course, it's just a question of if the worst happens do you want to take your chances on the quick draw like some cowboy, or play the odds and lose a wallet but almost certainly live.
You forgot option 3: Letting him have your wallet, then shooting him the back as he runs away. ;)
Or if you're squeamish about shooting someone in the back, wait till he starts to leave, exclaim, "Hey, you forgot my Rolex!", and then shoot him in the face when he turns around.
I do like the magnetic ring design, though.
And what if you're injured and your wife needs to use it to save your life? Just tell her (in the heat of a close quarters assault), "Here, put this ring on, quick!"
Obviously some people just want to kill you, but more often they only want to rob you
Well, I don't wanna be a dick about it, but I'm not going to let them do either of those things if I can help it.
You're obviously an intelligent guy. If you're willing, please read the following two links. It shouldn't take too long.
Proving God's Existence
Does God Exist
Thanks, but I stopped reading comic books and fantasy novels decades ago.
And if god really does exist and faith healing works, why has god never healed an amputee?
Every single ethnic group believes in the afterlife in some form or fashion.
At one time, every single ethnic group believed that the Earth was flat. Turns out they were wrong.
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What will you do if you're wrong?
Ahhh, Pascal's Wager, the lamest of all "arguments" to believe in magical fairy tales.
If I'm wrong, I'll get to hang out with all the cool people- Jimi Hendrix, Christopher Hitchens, most of my friends, family, and lovers, Janis Joplin, Carl Sagan, Bertrand Russell, Douglas Adams, Woody Allen, Mick Jagger, Kevin Bacon, Richard Burton, George Carlin, Jeremy Clarkson, Jimmy Carr, Bruce Lee, Orson Welles, Robin Williams, David Gilmour, Charlie Parker, Steve Wozniak, etc etc etc....the list goes on and on.
If your god is willing to cast those people into the pit of Hell, then fuck your god, okay? Just fuck him.
No true Christians raise their children this way. I said "true" Christians.
Bullshit. That's like saying no "true" slashdot commenter ever uses the word "fuck" in a post.
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I'm a sinner and I fall short everyday, same as you.
No, you're just deluded. You've been lied to by people you trusted and you accepted the lies they told you, which were no doubt told to them by people they trusted.
I'm not a "sinner", because "sin" is an "offense against god", and you can't offend that which does not exist.
I may or may not "fall short" sometimes, but it's not because of a fairy tale about some woman being convinced to eat a piece of fruit by a talking snake in a magical garden.
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It's called "the bible", look it up, specifically Genesis and Leviticus. Also check out the Quran, which is chock-full of the same hateful shit.
Billions of children are raised on the delusion that there's a man in the sky who forbids them to masturbate and tells them to hate gay people. And you worry about something innocent such as this?
First, let's make sure all religious upbringing is classified as child abuse, then think about whether some nerdy shit is actually harmful.
If I had mod points, I'd upvote this.