Buddy boy, I took biology too. You obviosly flunked it. Otherwise you'd be able to answer the following question: How long does it take for a fertilezed egg to become a fetus?
And then, tell me just what there is during that time period. I'll wait and pick the discussion up then.
They certainly are involved in tapeworm reproduction. How dare you insinuate that a tapeworm has no right to live? Life begins at conception! Who know what that poor, murdered worm could have become?! Killer! We're gonna bomb your doctor's office, were gonna burn your house down!
Ok, I agree with you to some extent. heck I don't really care of about the applications myself most time, but I don't like to see the study of math, of the structure of proofs, including the one for 2+2 (what ever it may be) portrayed as something useless or futile. Something that is art for art's sake. Even the fields that seem all but pointless sometimes, have value in the methods, and some of the most absurd seeming studies, ex. Hyperbolic Geometry have found applications. Math is in many ways the languige (sp?) of the universe, i don't object to its appreciation, but to its depiction as other-worldly.
If you can't prove that 2+2=4 than how am i to take you word for anything else? Abstract algebra and Number theory have a great deal to do with real world applications. And my Abstract Algebra course began with a proof of division. These are not mere abstractions, these are the foundations.
And as for pure application-free math, thats like winking at a girl in the dark. What good is a painting seen by no one?
"Learn the definitions. Memorise them! That's ninety percent of the work."
Get a grip on yourself!! I too have a math degree, and if you spent 90% of your time memorizing definitions, I am not surprized you have difficulties seeing how they relate to their uses. Mathemetics does require solid knoledge of its foundations, yes, but that does not mean memorization, it means understanding, and there's quite a bit of difference between the two. Writing proofs is not "easy." (t is fun, however) Otherwise you would not have entire courses devoted to teaching how to do proofs (and yes, dear, i am talking about graduate level courses.). Writing proofs isn't a matter of knowing the mathematical shorthand. And a single theorem's proof can contain within it innovations whence spin of entire field of study. Learn the history of mathematics, and you will see this. Look at the many popular unproven theorems, "fantastically easy"?!?!?! How many hundreds of years were spent on the 5th Postulate? Math is proofs!
Oh get over it! I too was trained as a physicist, (as well as mathematician) and guess what?! About the only other humans who can understand/are interested in these subjects are programmers. (probably because a lot of us trained as Whater The Heck We're Extremely Proud Of That Looks Great on Our Diplomas are now programmers.) So ditch the ego, and stop feeling beacoup hurt 'cause no one appreciates you. Besides, it was funny. I switched to math because none of you physicists seem to understand that funny is a good thing.
Then again, the only other intelligent people i know are the guys in my friend's band... go figure!
It sounds nifty, easy to manage, but who here would actually want it? Even if they don't have any of those menacing floppy or Zip drives, gee we'd better make sure they can't use any of those pesky CDs, else someone may give them, a -- Spreadsheet!! Never mind that user w/o adminisrative access can't install much. Then lets point out that the time users have to spend frustrated without a workstation due to repairs, is simply their well deserved punishment for screwing it up in the first place. It was working fine when I gave it to you, so, yes, i think it was obviously something that YOU did to it!! And besides, i don't trust those support people, they're always looking at everyone funny, like there's something that only they know about. Its a conspiracy, I don't trust them. Leave my PC where i can see it!
Actally, what i heared on the news the other day, and what really disgusted me the most about the whole thing was that apperently, once they are through shutting their main source of competition, er, i mean, those evil mean Napster people down, some of the publishers, Sony and BM?? are planning to start their own, fair, and musician friendly online music distribution service. See, they don't mind us downloading, they just want us to do it right!
Easy to tell difference, socialist monstrosity makes attempts to disguse itself as beneficial to its victims, spreading progaganda which is at least amusingly mockable. Whereas the corporate monstrosity demands from the public to be respected for its ability to become such, calls its propaganda marketing and rather than simply using it to sugarcoat lies, insidiously sneaks it into every aspect of life.
In other words, it has a greater number of duped victims.
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Buddy boy, I took biology too. You obviosly flunked it. Otherwise you'd be able to answer the following question: How long does it take for a fertilezed egg to become a fetus? And then, tell me just what there is during that time period. I'll wait and pick the discussion up then.
They certainly are involved in tapeworm reproduction. How dare you insinuate that a tapeworm has no right to live? Life begins at conception! Who know what that poor, murdered worm could have become?! Killer! We're gonna bomb your doctor's office, were gonna burn your house down!
Ok, I agree with you to some extent. heck I don't really care of about the applications myself most time, but I don't like to see the study of math, of the structure of proofs, including the one for 2+2 (what ever it may be) portrayed as something useless or futile. Something that is art for art's sake. Even the fields that seem all but pointless sometimes, have value in the methods, and some of the most absurd seeming studies, ex. Hyperbolic Geometry have found applications. Math is in many ways the languige (sp?) of the universe, i don't object to its appreciation, but to its depiction as other-worldly.
I said math (not maths) is. Math is one. Are mathematics many? I don't know. College has made me stupid in that respect....
If you can't prove that 2+2=4 than how am i to take you word for anything else? Abstract algebra and Number theory have a great deal to do with real world applications. And my Abstract Algebra course began with a proof of division. These are not mere abstractions, these are the foundations.
And as for pure application-free math, thats like winking at a girl in the dark. What good is a painting seen by no one?
"Learn the definitions. Memorise them! That's ninety percent of the work."
Get a grip on yourself!! I too have a math degree, and if you spent 90% of your time memorizing definitions, I am not surprized you have difficulties seeing how they relate to their uses. Mathemetics does require solid knoledge of its foundations, yes, but that does not mean memorization, it means understanding, and there's quite a bit of difference between the two. Writing proofs is not "easy." (t is fun, however) Otherwise you would not have entire courses devoted to teaching how to do proofs (and yes, dear, i am talking about graduate level courses.). Writing proofs isn't a matter of knowing the mathematical shorthand. And a single theorem's proof can contain within it innovations whence spin of entire field of study. Learn the history of mathematics, and you will see this. Look at the many popular unproven theorems, "fantastically easy"?!?!?! How many hundreds of years were spent on the 5th Postulate? Math is proofs!
Thank you, I couldn't have phrase it better. Heck, I couldn't have phrased it nearly as well. :)
Mr. Hubris? Would that be the famous Mr Hope Hubris?
Oh get over it! I too was trained as a physicist, (as well as mathematician) and guess what?! About the only other humans who can understand/are interested in these subjects are programmers. (probably because a lot of us trained as Whater The Heck We're Extremely Proud Of That Looks Great on Our Diplomas are now programmers.) So ditch the ego, and stop feeling beacoup hurt 'cause no one appreciates you. Besides, it was funny. I switched to math because none of you physicists seem to understand that funny is a good thing. Then again, the only other intelligent people i know are the guys in my friend's band... go figure!
It sounds nifty, easy to manage, but who here would actually want it? Even if they don't have any of those menacing floppy or Zip drives, gee we'd better make sure they can't use any of those pesky CDs, else someone may give them, a -- Spreadsheet!! Never mind that user w/o adminisrative access can't install much. Then lets point out that the time users have to spend frustrated without a workstation due to repairs, is simply their well deserved punishment for screwing it up in the first place. It was working fine when I gave it to you, so, yes, i think it was obviously something that YOU did to it!! And besides, i don't trust those support people, they're always looking at everyone funny, like there's something that only they know about. Its a conspiracy, I don't trust them. Leave my PC where i can see it!
Actally, what i heared on the news the other day, and what really disgusted me the most about the whole thing was that apperently, once they are through shutting their main source of competition, er, i mean, those evil mean Napster people down, some of the publishers, Sony and BM?? are planning to start their own, fair, and musician friendly online music distribution service. See, they don't mind us downloading, they just want us to do it right!
Easy to tell difference, socialist monstrosity makes attempts to disguse itself as beneficial to its victims, spreading progaganda which is at least amusingly mockable. Whereas the corporate monstrosity demands from the public to be respected for its ability to become such, calls its propaganda marketing and rather than simply using it to sugarcoat lies, insidiously sneaks it into every aspect of life. In other words, it has a greater number of duped victims.