I dunno who said this works on iMac's, but I think they're lying. If I explicitly boot the kernel (bf=/tftp/netbsd), it loads, and the first thing it does is say 'USB Not found' -- considering that the iMac is -based- around USB, it's not going to work all that well..
one guy making $80,000 a year (or more). That guy can smugly laugh at the people working there how they need him to set things up for them, but they also laugh at him how he is a huge geek with no life.
Hurm. You seem to think that there's something WRONG with that. I dunno about you, but I like getting paid twice what my Boss gets, and getting to play with big motherfucking computers all day.
A few questions.. Why are the datestamps on all the files May 11?
Am I looking in the wrong spot? I went happily to my usual mirror (ftp2.au.netbsd.org), thought there was some NetBSD secret that files are hidden for 2 months before being put on show? Anyway....
I have an iMAC (as mentioned above), and I'm trying to get the bastard to boot. Not being at all new to bootp, and extremely comfortable with it, I've fired it up, and set up a root filesystem, etc. This is where the clues are needed. The page here hints slightly that I need the file/usr/mdec/ofwboot.elf as the actual bootloader (That's kinda useful, having the network loader packaged up inside the install. Sigh) - BUT, it's not there. Not at all. There's a file there that's called 'ofwboot', which I thought would be the one, but it seems like the Mac's OF doesn't like it as it says 'unrecognized Client Program format' (case exactly as displayed). I had a quick search through altavista and found precisely zero hits on 'ofwboot.elf' and zero on the message above.
Well, my main mail/web server running 2.0.35 was up for 220 days (until 24 hours ago, when a hardware failure took out the root/usr drive). I haven't used NetBSD (see, I got it right that time 8-) yet, so, we'll see what happens.
But, on that subject, the open source Unices are getting to the very-low bug level, and they're getting quite hard to crash from a software perspective.
I'd be looking more at what you want to do - AFAIK, the *BSD's have more emphasis on network throughput (ref: ftp.cdrom.com), whilst linux supports everything under the sun 8-)
I recently bought and iMac, and, of course, put Linux on it. (Yellowdog, if anyone cares). Now that FreeBSD run's on it, it may be a good incentive to play with it, as I don't have any non-important machines on which I can mess around.
Nah. In 10 years, the young'uns will be cursing us for using that outdated Linux, whilst these new massively parallel minicomputers that have 16mil CPU's and 64tb of RAM and run Whiz-Bang OS are MUCH better. OK, so they don't have all that much industry support yet, but look what it can do! 8-)
I just sent this email to the Bay-ISP mailing list (bay-isp-request@bit.net.au, you guys know the drill..) comments?
---- Begin Email ---- I found this at http://www.data.com/story/TWB19990513S0030
"To add this [Linux] operating system along with the ones we already support [which include Sun Microsystems Inc.'s Solaris and Microsoft Corp.'s Windows NT], I'd need a lot of users banging on my door," said Christopher Cook, product manager for Optivity NETarchitect at Nortel Networks Corp., Billerica, Mass.
Hello? Nortel? *knock knock*? How hard do I have to bang?
I'm sure that -someone- from Nortel knows this person, and can take a clue stick, go and hit him -hard- with it, amd then hand him this email.
How hard is it to port from Solaris to Linux? Take the source. Copy it across. type 'make'. Put a sticker on it saying 'This is only a supported product when used in conjunction with RedHat 6.0' or Debian, or SuSE or some reasonably popular installation, basically whatever platform you typed 'make' on. Speak to your engineers. They probably -allready- have a linux version working, that you don't know about (this is what happend at Oracle. Now their highest volume in database sales is Oracle8 on Linux, seconded by Oracle 8i on Sparc. If they weren't selling a linux version, people would be using postgres, mysql, msql, or any number of other lesser known, but available databases.)
Perhaps you should think about it this way. Only last week, I spoke to my sales guy (Hi Grahame!) about a decent network management solution. As I -am-, basically, a bay shop, I started thinking about Optivity. Only having a few (rather decrepit) Sun's lying around, and all my grunt in Intel hardware, I started having a look at the supported platforms.. Uh. No Linux there. Ah well.. You miss out on a sale.
For me to buy a 'decent' sun box (eg, ultra5 or something) I'm looking at what, $6k these days for a lightly spec'ed ultrasparc? Then another $5k for Optivity. Total outlay, $11k. Now, instead of spending $11k, I could take 2 weeks off work (costing myself, say, $5k) and cobble together something that's not as nice, but does what I -need- it to do.
Yeah, sure, I'd love to have Optivity. It's nice. But I don't wanna go and put an -unreliable server- as my network management workstation (eg, NT) , and then have it freeze with everything green, whilst the network around me crumbles into a heap. I don't want to spend more than double what I need to on buying an ultrasparc to manage my network.
All -you- guys have to do is release Optivity on Linux. People will buy it, and suddenly you'll be the good guys. And it's -real- rare for a geek to consider a telco a good guy 8-)
For geek-type discussions on exactly this subject, please feel free to look at:
I'm sure there'll be -numerous- discussions on there by the time this email gets to you 8-)
One small point of congratulations to Nortel is that I bought a few netgear cards the other day. They had 'Linux' as a supported OS on the box. Sure I paid a bit more ($7 more, each, than a D-link Tulip based card that was sitting right next to it on the shelf - basically exactly the same card) for it, but I bought it -because- it said linux on the box.
Slashdot Mirror
Pfft. What a bunch of wankers. If you're going to use 's, at least learn how to use them.
I'm actually mildly concerned that people may even contemplate for more than a nanosecond giving you money.
Your web page doesn't even say who you -are-.. That's enough to turn anyone with a clue off.
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Sluggy.com - It rocks my nads.
Note: That's the wrong URL. The real one is:s urvey?surveyid=1
http://ww5.inprise.com/scripts/disurvey.exe/gen
or, you can just click Here.
--Rob
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I did.. It was ignored.
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I dunno who said this works on iMac's, but I think they're lying. If I explicitly boot the kernel (bf=/tftp/netbsd), it loads, and the first thing it does is say 'USB Not found' -- considering that the iMac is -based- around USB, it's not going to work all that well..
False advertising? 8-)
--Rob
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Sluggy.com - It rocks my nads.
one guy making $80,000 a year (or more). That guy can smugly laugh at the people working there how they need him to set things up for them, but they also laugh at him how he is a huge geek with no life.
Hurm. You seem to think that there's something WRONG with that. I dunno about you, but I like getting paid twice what my Boss gets, and getting to play with big motherfucking computers all day.
I see absoloutely nothing wrong with that.
*shrug*
--Rob
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Sluggy.com - It rocks my nads.
A few questions.. Why are the datestamps on all the files May 11?
/usr/mdec/ofwboot.elf as the actual bootloader (That's kinda useful, having the network loader packaged up inside the install. Sigh) - BUT, it's not there. Not at all. There's a file there that's called 'ofwboot', which I thought would be the one, but it seems like the Mac's OF doesn't like it as it says 'unrecognized Client Program format' (case exactly as displayed). I had a quick search through altavista and found precisely zero hits on 'ofwboot.elf' and zero on the message above.
Am I looking in the wrong spot? I went happily to my usual mirror (ftp2.au.netbsd.org), thought there was some NetBSD secret that files are hidden for 2 months before being put on show? Anyway....
I have an iMAC (as mentioned above), and I'm trying to get the bastard to boot. Not being at all new to bootp, and extremely comfortable with it, I've fired it up, and set up a root filesystem, etc. This is where the clues are needed.
The page here hints slightly that I need the file
Help?
--Rob
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Sluggy.com - It rocks my nads.
Well, my main mail/web server running 2.0.35 was up for 220 days (until 24 hours ago, when a hardware failure took out the root/usr drive). I haven't used NetBSD (see, I got it right that time 8-) yet, so, we'll see what happens.
But, on that subject, the open source Unices are getting to the very-low bug level, and they're getting quite hard to crash from a software perspective.
I'd be looking more at what you want to do - AFAIK, the *BSD's have more emphasis on network throughput (ref: ftp.cdrom.com), whilst linux supports everything under the sun 8-)
--Rob
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It's called a Thinko 8-)
--Rob
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I recently bought and iMac, and, of course, put Linux on it. (Yellowdog, if anyone cares). Now that FreeBSD run's on it, it may be a good incentive to play with it, as I don't have any non-important machines on which I can mess around.
Cool.
--Rob
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> Mesa in Bombad Troubles.
*chortle*.
--Rob
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Nah. In 10 years, the young'uns will be cursing us for using that outdated Linux, whilst these new massively parallel minicomputers that have 16mil CPU's and 64tb of RAM and run Whiz-Bang OS are MUCH better. OK, so they don't have all that much industry support yet, but look what it can do!
8-)
I just sent this email to the Bay-ISP mailing list (bay-isp-request@bit.net.au, you guys know the drill..) comments?
h tml
---- Begin Email ----
I found this at http://www.data.com/story/TWB19990513S0030
"To add this [Linux] operating system along with the ones we already support
[which include Sun Microsystems Inc.'s Solaris and Microsoft Corp.'s
Windows NT], I'd need a lot of users banging on my door," said Christopher
Cook, product manager for Optivity NETarchitect at Nortel Networks Corp.,
Billerica, Mass.
Hello? Nortel? *knock knock*? How hard do I have to bang?
I'm sure that -someone- from Nortel knows this person, and can take a clue
stick, go and hit him -hard- with it, amd then hand him this email.
How hard is it to port from Solaris to Linux? Take the source. Copy it
across.
type 'make'. Put a sticker on it saying 'This is only a supported product
when
used in conjunction with RedHat 6.0' or Debian, or SuSE or some reasonably
popular installation, basically whatever platform you typed 'make' on.
Speak
to your engineers. They probably -allready- have a linux version working,
that
you don't know about (this is what happend at Oracle. Now their highest
volume
in database sales is Oracle8 on Linux, seconded by Oracle 8i on Sparc. If
they
weren't selling a linux version, people would be using postgres, mysql,
msql,
or any number of other lesser known, but available databases.)
Perhaps you should think about it this way. Only last week, I spoke to my
sales guy (Hi Grahame!) about a decent network management solution. As I
-am-, basically, a bay shop, I started thinking about Optivity. Only having
a
few (rather decrepit) Sun's lying around, and all my grunt in Intel
hardware,
I started having a look at the supported platforms.. Uh. No Linux there. Ah
well.. You miss out on a sale.
For me to buy a 'decent' sun box (eg, ultra5 or something) I'm looking at
what, $6k these days for a lightly spec'ed ultrasparc? Then another $5k for
Optivity. Total outlay, $11k. Now, instead of spending $11k, I could take 2
weeks off work (costing myself, say, $5k) and cobble together something
that's
not as nice, but does what I -need- it to do.
Yeah, sure, I'd love to have Optivity. It's nice. But I don't wanna go and
put
an -unreliable server- as my network management workstation (eg, NT) , and
then have it freeze with everything green, whilst the network around me
crumbles into a heap. I don't want to spend more than double what I need to
on
buying an ultrasparc to manage my network.
All -you- guys have to do is release Optivity on Linux. People will buy it,
and suddenly you'll be the good guys. And it's -real- rare for a geek to
consider a telco a good guy 8-)
For geek-type discussions on exactly this subject, please feel free to look
at:
http://slashdot.org/articles/99/05/14/1258203.s
I'm sure there'll be -numerous- discussions on there by the time this email
gets to you 8-)
One small point of congratulations to Nortel is that I bought a few netgear
cards the other day. They had 'Linux' as a supported OS on the box. Sure I
paid a bit more ($7 more, each, than a D-link Tulip based card that was
sitting right next to it on the shelf - basically exactly the same card) for
it, but I bought it -because- it said linux on the box.
--Rob