Server cluster? I thought we were talking about average middle end desktop/workstation computers.
Yeah, a decent node is under $500 by using "desktop" hardware. The beauty of a redundant architecture is that "server-quality" hardware isn't that important anymore. I know how to spend 10x that on a really fast server, but most workloads don't justify the added expense.
I believe it's because you need to verify a lot of things that come from user space into kernel space. This makes things like DMA and port communication somewhat more difficult.
Right, though to be fair implementing a microkernel on hardware that doesn't do anything to make microkernels efficient tends to be inefficient. Surprising, of course.
I wonder what people are doing with VPro and microkernels these days (they must be, but I admit to having stopped paying attention to microkernel a decade ago).
At what, 4.5% of GDP? Sure, if you spent $675B on batteries, you'd get good improvements. But not $125M.
BTW, AOL provided nearly all the Internet access for normal people for many years, something government never addressed. Frankly, most of the development was a function of Moore's Law, but if Xandu had won instead of ARPANET, we probably would have been using hypertext on our Commodore 64's.
Even if they double battery power and keep the price the same in five years time this project will be a massive win.
Many companies have spent more than $120M and not achieved a doubling in capacity. With government efficiency at play, this appears to be nothing more than a feel-good program for politicians to talk about. They'd be better off spending the $120M on ponies for fifty thousand little girls for all the good it will do.
the really nice but still way too expensive 2560x1600 monitors. (Still over $1000.)
If you don't have a business case to justify $1000 for a monitor that you'll probably use for 5+ years, then you don't really need it.
I'm eyeing the Eizo 22" - about $850 and has a bit higher DPI, along with the high resolution. The 2560x1600 screens are in the 30" range - the DPI isn't very good. That's fine for people with vision loss, but two screens at 1900x1200 are going to be better for most uses.
This kind of screen is a marvel of technology and quality. I paid $739 in 1993 for a 17" flat CRT (1024x768), and that was the employee discount at a major retailer on an $899 display, and those were 1993 dollars - worth $1500 or more in 2012 dollars. It's true that poor-quality displays are now being manufactured at very low prices, but the price of 'cheap crap' shouldn't influence ROI calculations on important business tools.
Yeah, most have clearly defined transfer limits in their ToS. It's trivial to configure tor on unix to max at a specified bandwidth, and that calculation is also non-difficult (Google will even do it for you in their search box).
Besides those, legality or illegality is no longer the sole standard against which military behavior is measured. The Nazis did nothing illegal but it was sure as hell immoral and the Nuremburg Trials established that legality alone is not how we judge military actors.
Wow, you're really so angry you can't hit the shift key, aren't you?
Maybe that's a sign that you're arguing from a position of weakness, defending a belief rather than a defensible system?
If you truly believe that there must always be majorities who oppress minorities, then surely that is a sad outlook (or psychopathic, depending on how Psych101 one wants to get). People need governance, but aggression-based governments do that really poorly. Ponder the distinction.
Try specific critiques of the Tannehills proposals - it'll be educational. Lemme guess, you're not even willing to listen to their ideas, right?
Why is this required? Shouldn't we expect our operating systems to multitask?
We should expect our servers to be secure. But they're buggy. We should expect defense in depth to be unnecessary. But people screw up. We should expect OS tunables to be variable on a per-process basis, but they're not (with Linux anyhow).
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
Yes, the trick is how to get people to be allowed to try other methods when all the land on Earth is claimed by groups that profess exclusive ownership.
The Tannehills had some intriguing proposals in the 1970's. Bob Murphy has expanded on some of those.
They might not all work, but one thing is for sure - if nobody is allowed to try other methods, a superior method will never be found. Many people suffer from chronological ethnocentrism - the idea that the current society is the best possible one (or at least the best that's ever existed).
Asking democracies to democratically give up democracy is a logical paradox.
If only the people who put thousands of hours into developing this system had spent the five minutes a random Slashdotter did criticizing the system they could have given up already!
1366x768 is a good resolution for a 5" phone, and usable for a 7" tablet.
Agreed. I just needed to buy a new laptop (1.5 yr old MSI just flat died) and I wound up with a Lenovo e430, with all the Intel options (Centrino Wireless, Intel 3000 graphics, etc. - i.e. working drivers). I got a 14" matte screen, a slot for an SSD (128GB Mushkin), and the lowest-power i5 that can still do AES-NI (for LUKS). I got it for $550 from Antonline via Amazon. It was completely non-fussy about inheriting the 4GB DDR3 DIMM from the previous machine and the BIOS lets me put the ctrl-key back where it belongs.:)
It is not the world's finest laptop, but it's quite nice and a decent developer's machine, especially with root on SSD and flashcache in front of/home. But, more importantly, that's the most I was willing to spend for a low-resolution screen. If they had one of the 1900x1200 screens from, what, 2002?, available, I would have spent more. Seeing as all the phones are going higher density now, I'm hoping that technology trickles up (down?) to laptops in a year or two, so I didn't want to spend my 3-year laptop budget at this time. I've spent $3K on a laptop before, but there's just nothing out there at the moment that's worth it.
To be fair, I have spent a non-trivial amount of time tuning it (e.g. Synaptiks for KDE is in an OpenSUSE repo but not any Fedora repos...yet) and still haven't spent the time to get Intel Rapid Start (wake from SSD without BIOS init... but LUKS...) working yet. Dell might have already worked that all out - but on the other hand I am contributing my tweaks upstream as I go, and expect others to do so as well.
Oh enough on this, where is the car analogy guy when you need it?!
Two cars collided head-on and all the debris, blood, fluids, and remains lined up in a 2' wide straight line at a 104 degree angle to the collision. This was not the expected outcome.
The point is you don't need (or even want) a hypervisor when you have a secure multi-user system with process isolation like Android.
The processes might be isolated, but data access is not. Did you just give the Twitter app SD Card read/write access to the filesystem where the company data is? What could possibly go wrong?
Anyway, they didn't even have to research it. They had it right in their KB. If it was on for the old printers and they didn't fix it on newer printers then someone dropped the ball (or wanted to keep the "feature").
Or were ambivalent enough about security that they didn't think it worthwhile spending one yellow-dotted cent on it. Bugger, time to firewall the printers.
Probably has something to with the Silverlight deal with Microsoft.
Close, but 'confusing cause and effect'.
Silverlight was a facet of the DRM deal that Netflix made with the Studios. So is not releasing a Linux client (because then, y'know, there would be Netflix rippers and movies on bittorrent...).
Amazon plays movies on Flash on Linux, so Netflix made a bad deal (or perhaps Amazon benefited from not being 'first', same as when Apple pioneered online music with iTunes and got AES AAC while Amazon later had plain MP3). There's also a libnetflixplayer.so ELF-32 on Chromebook, so there's no technical obstacle.
Presumably those contracts have a renewal period. Accept that there's no technical problem and focus on the legal (government) problems instead.
Was there a warming trend back then even bigger than the one today?
Yes. Maps from even more recent times show the coastlines of Antarctica that we can only recently confirm (through the ice sheets) with modern technology.
Much of that three miles of ice on Antarctica was distributed throughout the climate. The Sahara wasn't a monstrous desert, for instance, and the Middle East was a font of life and commerce.
But the real modern concern is property values in Western Europe, which are 'propped up' by the Gulf Stream. The present condition of the thermohaline cycle and the Arctic circulation keeps the heat from the Gulf of Mexico region flowing up to areas north of Quebec on that side of the Atlantic so they can grow fancy grapes and farm wheat instead of peat. In a warming climate, there's a very real chance that the cycle will change and the habitation of Northern Europe will be seen as a temporary feature.
But the same people who hold much of that property wealth also stand to benefit from a power grab, even if it has little chance of changing the outcome. So, either way they win, so full speed ahead with the hellfire and damnation! (meanwhile actual scientific people want to move on to the next generation of clean power - 'amazingly enough' they block that)
The real 'climate deniers' are those who refuse to ask 'cui bono?'.
Looking it at from a different perspective, by executing people we may be simply pressing a reset button and pushing them around a big circle so they get another chance to learn from their mistakes, a chance that continuing on the same course - their current life - does not allow them.
You're using imaginary thinking to justify killing people? #nohopeforhumanity
at least one Slashdot staffer is willing to let him do it. Is that good or bad?
It's great. There's no reason people shouldn't submit their own work to Slashdot. It's the editor's job to decide if the readership would enjoy it or not. In this case - Apple I porn? C'mon, *of course*.
It's entirely consistent to both detest the actions of Apple, Inc., 2012 and be an admirer of what Woz did for computing.
Slashdot Mirror
Server cluster? I thought we were talking about average middle end desktop/workstation computers.
Yeah, a decent node is under $500 by using "desktop" hardware. The beauty of a redundant architecture is that "server-quality" hardware isn't that important anymore. I know how to spend 10x that on a really fast server, but most workloads don't justify the added expense.
I believe it's because you need to verify a lot of things that come from user space into kernel space. This makes things like DMA and port communication somewhat more difficult.
Right, though to be fair implementing a microkernel on hardware that doesn't do anything to make microkernels efficient tends to be inefficient. Surprising, of course.
I wonder what people are doing with VPro and microkernels these days (they must be, but I admit to having stopped paying attention to microkernel a decade ago).
AMD does not make any good processors anymore.
Intel i3 is the low end, i5 the middle end, and i7 the high end.
My Phenom x2 server cluster >> your tautology.
Phenom x2 6-core is currently one maximum in the price/power/performance 3-space. All eight corners of the 'cube' have valid use cases.
Public sector gave us a man on the moon
At what, 4.5% of GDP? Sure, if you spent $675B on batteries, you'd get good improvements. But not $125M.
BTW, AOL provided nearly all the Internet access for normal people for many years, something government never addressed. Frankly, most of the development was a function of Moore's Law, but if Xandu had won instead of ARPANET, we probably would have been using hypertext on our Commodore 64's.
Even if they double battery power and keep the price the same in five years time this project will be a massive win.
Many companies have spent more than $120M and not achieved a doubling in capacity. With government efficiency at play, this appears to be nothing more than a feel-good program for politicians to talk about. They'd be better off spending the $120M on ponies for fifty thousand little girls for all the good it will do.
the really nice but still way too expensive 2560x1600 monitors. (Still over $1000.)
If you don't have a business case to justify $1000 for a monitor that you'll probably use for 5+ years, then you don't really need it.
I'm eyeing the Eizo 22" - about $850 and has a bit higher DPI, along with the high resolution. The 2560x1600 screens are in the 30" range - the DPI isn't very good. That's fine for people with vision loss, but two screens at 1900x1200 are going to be better for most uses.
This kind of screen is a marvel of technology and quality. I paid $739 in 1993 for a 17" flat CRT (1024x768), and that was the employee discount at a major retailer on an $899 display, and those were 1993 dollars - worth $1500 or more in 2012 dollars. It's true that poor-quality displays are now being manufactured at very low prices, but the price of 'cheap crap' shouldn't influence ROI calculations on important business tools.
Yeah, most have clearly defined transfer limits in their ToS. It's trivial to configure tor on unix to max at a specified bandwidth, and that calculation is also non-difficult (Google will even do it for you in their search box).
Amazon now charges tax in about half the States. They are still growing.
Gas is expensive, time is money, and customer service is king.
Besides those, legality or illegality is no longer the sole standard against which military behavior is measured. The Nazis did nothing illegal but it was sure as hell immoral and the Nuremburg Trials established that legality alone is not how we judge military actors.
I think not running TOR is about all you can do.
You can run a relay. Not as valuable as an exit node, but still important. A reporter once noticed the relay I run and wrote a story about it.
Cloud storage, and make the exit node a leech off your neighbors wifi.
Speaking of which, what happens if you run an exit node from a VPS?
Wow, you're really so angry you can't hit the shift key, aren't you?
Maybe that's a sign that you're arguing from a position of weakness, defending a belief rather than a defensible system?
If you truly believe that there must always be majorities who oppress minorities, then surely that is a sad outlook (or psychopathic, depending on how Psych101 one wants to get). People need governance, but aggression-based governments do that really poorly. Ponder the distinction.
Try specific critiques of the Tannehills proposals - it'll be educational. Lemme guess, you're not even willing to listen to their ideas, right?
Why is this required? Shouldn't we expect our operating systems to multitask?
We should expect our servers to be secure. But they're buggy.
We should expect defense in depth to be unnecessary. But people screw up.
We should expect OS tunables to be variable on a per-process basis, but they're not (with Linux anyhow).
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
Yes, the trick is how to get people to be allowed to try other methods when all the land on Earth is claimed by groups that profess exclusive ownership.
The Tannehills had some intriguing proposals in the 1970's. Bob Murphy has expanded on some of those.
They might not all work, but one thing is for sure - if nobody is allowed to try other methods, a superior method will never be found. Many people suffer from chronological ethnocentrism - the idea that the current society is the best possible one (or at least the best that's ever existed).
Asking democracies to democratically give up democracy is a logical paradox.
This problem was solved decades ago.
If only the people who put thousands of hours into developing this system had spent the five minutes a random Slashdotter did criticizing the system they could have given up already!
1366x768 is a good resolution for a 5" phone, and usable for a 7" tablet.
Agreed. I just needed to buy a new laptop (1.5 yr old MSI just flat died) and I wound up with a Lenovo e430, with all the Intel options (Centrino Wireless, Intel 3000 graphics, etc. - i.e. working drivers). I got a 14" matte screen, a slot for an SSD (128GB Mushkin), and the lowest-power i5 that can still do AES-NI (for LUKS). I got it for $550 from Antonline via Amazon. It was completely non-fussy about inheriting the 4GB DDR3 DIMM from the previous machine and the BIOS lets me put the ctrl-key back where it belongs. :)
It is not the world's finest laptop, but it's quite nice and a decent developer's machine, especially with root on SSD and flashcache in front of /home. But, more importantly, that's the most I was willing to spend for a low-resolution screen. If they had one of the 1900x1200 screens from, what, 2002?, available, I would have spent more. Seeing as all the phones are going higher density now, I'm hoping that technology trickles up (down?) to laptops in a year or two, so I didn't want to spend my 3-year laptop budget at this time. I've spent $3K on a laptop before, but there's just nothing out there at the moment that's worth it.
To be fair, I have spent a non-trivial amount of time tuning it (e.g. Synaptiks for KDE is in an OpenSUSE repo but not any Fedora repos...yet) and still haven't spent the time to get Intel Rapid Start (wake from SSD without BIOS init ... but LUKS...) working yet. Dell might have already worked that all out - but on the other hand I am contributing my tweaks upstream as I go, and expect others to do so as well.
Some of whom may be heavily bearded men who think that democracy is filth.
Democracy is filth - people cannot be trusted to run a non-corrupt one (c.f. The Law). Of course, Theocracy is not better.
"I MAY be writing this comment from the space station"
Q: Why did the chicken cross the road?
Physicist: We're only 99.9997% sure that it did cross the road.
Oh enough on this, where is the car analogy guy when you need it?!
Two cars collided head-on and all the debris, blood, fluids, and remains lined up in a 2' wide straight line at a 104 degree angle to the collision. This was not the expected outcome.
The point is you don't need (or even want) a hypervisor when you have a secure multi-user system with process isolation like Android.
The processes might be isolated, but data access is not. Did you just give the Twitter app SD Card read/write access to the filesystem where the company data is? What could possibly go wrong?
Anyway, they didn't even have to research it. They had it right in their KB. If it was on for the old printers and they didn't fix it on newer printers then someone dropped the ball (or wanted to keep the "feature").
Or were ambivalent enough about security that they didn't think it worthwhile spending one yellow-dotted cent on it. Bugger, time to firewall the printers.
Probably has something to with the Silverlight deal with Microsoft.
Close, but 'confusing cause and effect'.
Silverlight was a facet of the DRM deal that Netflix made with the Studios. So is not releasing a Linux client (because then, y'know, there would be Netflix rippers and movies on bittorrent...).
Amazon plays movies on Flash on Linux, so Netflix made a bad deal (or perhaps Amazon benefited from not being 'first', same as when Apple pioneered online music with iTunes and got AES AAC while Amazon later had plain MP3). There's also a libnetflixplayer.so ELF-32 on Chromebook, so there's no technical obstacle.
Presumably those contracts have a renewal period. Accept that there's no technical problem and focus on the legal (government) problems instead.
Was there a warming trend back then even bigger than the one today?
Yes. Maps from even more recent times show the coastlines of Antarctica that we can only recently confirm (through the ice sheets) with modern technology.
Much of that three miles of ice on Antarctica was distributed throughout the climate. The Sahara wasn't a monstrous desert, for instance, and the Middle East was a font of life and commerce.
But the real modern concern is property values in Western Europe, which are 'propped up' by the Gulf Stream. The present condition of the thermohaline cycle and the Arctic circulation keeps the heat from the Gulf of Mexico region flowing up to areas north of Quebec on that side of the Atlantic so they can grow fancy grapes and farm wheat instead of peat. In a warming climate, there's a very real chance that the cycle will change and the habitation of Northern Europe will be seen as a temporary feature.
But the same people who hold much of that property wealth also stand to benefit from a power grab, even if it has little chance of changing the outcome. So, either way they win, so full speed ahead with the hellfire and damnation! (meanwhile actual scientific people want to move on to the next generation of clean power - 'amazingly enough' they block that)
The real 'climate deniers' are those who refuse to ask 'cui bono?'.
Looking it at from a different perspective, by executing people we may be simply pressing a reset button and pushing them around a big circle so they get another chance to learn from their mistakes, a chance that continuing on the same course - their current life - does not allow them.
You're using imaginary thinking to justify killing people? #nohopeforhumanity
at least one Slashdot staffer is willing to let him do it. Is that good or bad?
It's great. There's no reason people shouldn't submit their own work to Slashdot. It's the editor's job to decide if the readership would enjoy it or not. In this case - Apple I porn? C'mon, *of course*.
It's entirely consistent to both detest the actions of Apple, Inc., 2012 and be an admirer of what Woz did for computing.