consided a 760mp? i have a tyan tiger K7 its rock solid very fast with a couple of cheap duron 1.1Gigs and cache coerency accross 2 procs makes it faster beets the sun enterprise 450!! in a set of threading and multi proc tests only problem is the noise of 2 processor fans
hmm well imm running sid here and get this: apt-cache search gnome2 bonobo-config - The Bonobo Configuration System for GNOME2 gconf2 - GNOME configuration database system. (daemon and tools, for GNOME2) gnome-common - provides scripts and macros for gnome and gnome2 development libbonobo-config-dev - The Bonobo Configuration System for GNOME2 -- development
files libbonobo-config0 - The Bonobo Configuration System for GNOME2 -- shared library libbonoboui2-0 - The Bonobo UI library libbonoboui2-common - The Bonobo UI library -- common files libbonoboui2-dev - The Bonobo UI library - development files libeel2-1 - Eazel Extensions Library (for GNOME2) libeel2-data - Eazel Extensions Library - data files (for GNOME2) libeel2-dev - Eazel Extensions Library - development files (GNOME2) libgconf2-4 - GNOME configuration database system libraries (for GNOME2) libgconf2-dev - GNOME configuration database system development files. (for GNOM E2) libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 - The GNOME Canvas pixbuf library libgnome2-0 - The Gnome 2 library - runtime files. libgnome2-dev - The Gnome 2 library - development files. libgnomevfs2-0 - The GNOME virtual file-system libraries (for GNOME2) libgnomevfs2-common - The GNOME virtual file-system library common files (for GN OME2) libgnomevfs2-dev - The GNOME virtual file-system development files (for GNOME2) libgtkhtml2-0 - HTML rendering/editing library - runtime files. (for GNOME2) libgtkhtml2-dev - HTML rendering/editing library - development files. for (GNOME 2) librsvg2-1 - SAX-based renderer library for SVG files. (for GNOME2) librsvg2-dev - SAX-based renderer library for SVG files.(development files)
which is just the libs no aps build with it:( am i missing something or is it going to arrive in the next few days?
Doesnt OS X only run on G[3,4,5] processors any way? Wasnt the hole point of fere bsd ports section so that i could have a version optimized for my arch? If so wouldnt binary versions suffice eg apt? i like apt but would love to have th eoption to have stuff build for my box ony but dont see the point for a platform where the processors are more similar. Or am i missing out on something? Is a bin optimized a G3 different from G4 ?
it is possible to calculate the slinky rather than the escalator my dad who teeches physics has a number of different size (lenghts) of slinky and they fall at different rates but i have not been able to take them to an escalator also tuning would require snipping the slinky with a pair of wire cutters if u snipped too much then it ould be usless. As i say i have not tried this but would love to try it
I have aways wondered about putting a slinky on an escalator. With proper tunning i think a perpetual slinky could be made to work. The trouble is i dnt have a slinky at the moment my last one broke:( they are now made of plastic so you cant end them back to normal.
Has any ine tried a slinky on an escalator? does it work?
well just an idea
If all your clothing had rf tags then with an internet enabled washing machine you can be informed that you have left a red sock in with your washing. Correct washing of all the items and if you buy new stuff the washing instructions can be downloaded over the net from the clothing manufactures web sight. This also means that they can tell how often you wash what cloths but would still be very cool
At no point did the majority think the earth was flat. The flat earth theory comes from arguments between creationists and darwinists at the start of the battle. The creationists used fossils to claim evidence for a great flood and said these were the animals that were not on the ark. The darwinists pointed out that they had died for other reasons and said the people were as stupid as people who believed in a flat earth. Even in the middle ages sailers and fishermen often sailed beond the horizen and never fell off the edge. The flat earth theyory was never widly held or accepted as fact at any point in history.
evolution is accepted as fact because it works it explains what exists and doesnt. The amount of evidence for it is huge. It is fact in the same way the f=ma is fact or einstines theory of gravity is fact. They have been tested and shown to work.
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ok yes but consider physical space issues as well as heat dissapation. Yes i know the macs run cooler but box size is an issue you need a lot of floor space.
I can buy a 64 proc 1.6 gig athlon cluster for $70,000 from http://www.microway.com/products/clusters/dualathl on.html
This comes with Myrinet which is much better than ether lower latencie as well as high bandwidth. This is a preconfigured cluseter in one nice rackmount unit just plugin in and go. I would love to see dual proc rack mount macs as this would give another alternative to either x86 or sun. Sun netras are nice looking but slow and exspensive (yes i spent the summer working with one i know) intel is very very very cheap and configuration costs are minimal config one mache dd disk image to other have dhcp do the networking easy as pie.
for real fun stick mosix on and run mpi on top of mossix. You get a small performance loss but gain massive reliablilty.
You can use cluster nodes as part of a desktop lab but watch what happens when one gets rebooted and MPI gets very confused. For real clusetering you want rack mount small size footprint as well as low cost
I'm also sacrificing my ability to mod on this thread to reply to you, so I hope you're happy
as well
I sit here on my dual duron 1.1 gig machine. Yes the L2 cache is smaller but this machine is faster than a 4 way ultrasparc 450 which has 8 Meg of cache per processors. Cache coherency and pre fetchm make more of a difference than you think. It is certanly faster than the 1.1 gig athlon i had cos i was sent the wrong chips. Put in SMP form the duron kicks arss esp considering the price difference between a duron and MP or XP has to be doubled if u a re using a dual proc machine
Ok i have update My case cos ddr ram is just to tall
However i would like one that is quiet. I have been considering building a water cooled rig but the idea of the radiators and the pumps puts me off + the idea of a water in my PC bad. Pumps can / do fail and produce quiet a bit of noise. I have seen 1 and had 1 idea that would greatly improve this. ! using a powerstation style cooler (a condenser i think) and second using a gravity fed water to cool the CPU's. Simply put a parge tank at the top of PC and a large tank at the base
Fill both with mineral oil (more heat conductive than water and does not conduct electrcity so no danger in case of leaks) have 2 level sensors in the upper tank 1 to turn pump on to pump from base tank and one to turn PC off in event of falure of the pump ie level is to low (This is also used to prevent power on unil a head has been built up) however i have not yet seen anything like this on the net.
The halls that i live in at uni (Bangor N. Wales) were all laid with cat 5 for years however the university refused to actually install the routers and switches till this year. Me and some other geeks in the building started planning the following solution to the problem
Every 2 floors we bought 1 adsl connection (£40 pm) and connected all the machines to one back bone a squid proxy + linux box connected to eac adsl line + ip masquradeing then connectect each machine to local squid serevr and each squidd server to each other as peers
make the squid server Masquarade but rather than just simple masqurading use a round robin DNS so each connection request went to a different adsl line. Hope fully this would keep down starvation/flooding of links. Using tos for more advanced routing and a couple of patches u can favour local (ie close low number of hops) connections if they are free and use further away connections when localtraffic is high so ping times will vary but bandwidth will remain constant.
This also means u can use a large number of different ISP's so if one goes down every ones access gets slower but doesnt die compleatly
so now you have a system where every x many houses share an adsl line amungst them and the larger nan is only there for local use or when there are a lot of local requests also your squid proxies share amungst themselves (most traffic is web only) and reduce total bandwidth use you can also use this to have ipV6 in the nan and ipv4 on the internet connection (this will help with namespace and ip allocation:))
IBM have said in the past that unless a manager can come up with a very good reason not to release something under the GPL (such as proprietry code huge technological advantage etc) then everything must be released under the gpl. I for one am pleased that they are holding to this.
Hopefully they can now sell there linux certified laptops with more of a clean consciusness.
I do not know if this will help the other winmodem users (see www.linmodems.org) there is a lucent driver that works with my saterlite 4030cdt but hope fully this will help to getting an open source driver (or a second sound card)
The other modem releated question is those amr (audio modem riser cards)
does anyone know howto / if these work under linux
at last we have a decent 3d modeller.
I know about blender et al but this looks like it will be realy good
It is good to see the snowballing of good quality 3D opensource applications. Helped along by the emergance of fast 3d acceleration (NVIDA 3dfx and ATI) The rendering quality looks good from the screen shots
Good to see that there server has been slashdoted already!
I have read the article and sun does make a lot of vaild ideas concerning not locking down ideas to one platform/language. This can only be a good thing (open systems breed good competition)
XML and java do work well together (look at www.openxml.org).
Yes all of suns ideas are not perfect rmi is cool but has a large overhead however sun will let us add things and run on free systems
Give me an open solution that i can run on any system rather than a one OS one language solution
The other advantage of an IA is that they are very easy to administer via the net lots of pretty boxes. This means that people who would not normally use a linux/unix for fear of ease of use but like the reliability/uptimes can use them without having to worry about the command line etc.. This is a good way to bring unix into a windows only enviroment and show the power that these systems have
what about non deterministic computers
This book is solwy aimed at current computers which are based on turing machines however quoantam computers (based on quoantam effects) are non deterministic and can just know what the answer to a mathematical problem is without having to calculate the answer
what about nueral nets. These simultate the actions of the brain and so in theory could? simulate consicusness (sorray about spelling) Nuel nets are not yet currently power full enough but wire up enough nodes and teach them this could make a difference And this is on a deterministic machine
We have just had comcast installed the pipes went in last year and we are *STILL* not connect the sales people have no idea what a cable modem is let alone when we will be likely to be able to get acsess to the net with one but this in the UK after talking to techies they put me on the list of demo tester but this is not likely to be for a fwe years. Our town was suposed to be connect about 2 years before but they are late the work of the pipe layers was very very shoddy ie not in a remotly straight line but hey i can weight for PSTN
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consided a 760mp?
i have a tyan tiger K7
its rock solid
very fast with a couple of cheap duron 1.1Gigs
and cache coerency accross 2 procs makes it faster
beets the sun enterprise 450!! in a set of threading and multi proc tests
only problem is the noise of 2 processor fans
hmm well imm running sid here and : :( am i missing something or is it going to arrive in the next few days?
get this
apt-cache search gnome2
bonobo-config - The Bonobo Configuration System for GNOME2
gconf2 - GNOME configuration database system. (daemon and tools, for GNOME2)
gnome-common - provides scripts and macros for gnome and gnome2 development
libbonobo-config-dev - The Bonobo Configuration System for GNOME2 -- development
files
libbonobo-config0 - The Bonobo Configuration System for GNOME2 -- shared library
libbonoboui2-0 - The Bonobo UI library
libbonoboui2-common - The Bonobo UI library -- common files
libbonoboui2-dev - The Bonobo UI library - development files
libeel2-1 - Eazel Extensions Library (for GNOME2)
libeel2-data - Eazel Extensions Library - data files (for GNOME2)
libeel2-dev - Eazel Extensions Library - development files (GNOME2)
libgconf2-4 - GNOME configuration database system libraries (for GNOME2)
libgconf2-dev - GNOME configuration database system development files. (for GNOM
E2)
libgdk-pixbuf-gnome2 - The GNOME Canvas pixbuf library
libgnome2-0 - The Gnome 2 library - runtime files.
libgnome2-dev - The Gnome 2 library - development files.
libgnomevfs2-0 - The GNOME virtual file-system libraries (for GNOME2)
libgnomevfs2-common - The GNOME virtual file-system library common files (for GN
OME2)
libgnomevfs2-dev - The GNOME virtual file-system development files (for GNOME2)
libgtkhtml2-0 - HTML rendering/editing library - runtime files. (for GNOME2)
libgtkhtml2-dev - HTML rendering/editing library - development files. for (GNOME
2)
librsvg2-1 - SAX-based renderer library for SVG files. (for GNOME2)
librsvg2-dev - SAX-based renderer library for SVG files.(development files)
which is just the libs no aps build with it
Doesnt OS X only run on G[3,4,5] processors any way?
Wasnt the hole point of fere bsd ports section so that i could have a version optimized for my arch?
If so wouldnt binary versions suffice eg apt?
i like apt but would love to have th eoption to have stuff build for my box ony but dont see the point for a platform where the processors are more similar. Or am i missing out on something?
Is a bin optimized a G3 different from G4 ?
it is possible to calculate the slinky rather than the escalator my dad who teeches physics has a number of different size (lenghts) of slinky and they fall at different rates but i have not been able to take them to an escalator also tuning would require snipping the slinky with a pair of wire cutters if u snipped too much then it ould be usless. As i say i have not tried this but would love to try it
I have aways wondered about putting a slinky on an escalator. With proper tunning i think a perpetual slinky could be made to work. The trouble is i dnt have a slinky at the moment my last one broke :( they are now made of plastic so you cant end them back to normal.
Has any ine tried a slinky on an escalator? does it work?
well just an idea
If all your clothing had rf tags then with an internet enabled washing machine you can be informed that you have left a red sock in with your washing. Correct washing of all the items and if you buy new stuff the washing instructions can be downloaded over the net from the clothing manufactures web sight. This also means that they can tell how often you wash what cloths but would still be very cool
At no point did the majority think the earth was flat. The flat earth theory comes from arguments between creationists and darwinists at the start of the battle. The creationists used fossils to claim evidence for a great flood and said these were the animals that were not on the ark. The darwinists pointed out that they had died for other reasons and said the people were as stupid as people who believed in a flat earth. Even in the middle ages sailers and fishermen often sailed beond the horizen and never fell off the edge. The flat earth theyory was never widly held or accepted as fact at any point in history.
evolution is accepted as fact because it works it explains what exists and doesnt. The amount of evidence for it is huge. It is fact in the same way the f=ma is fact or einstines theory of gravity is fact. They have been tested and shown to work.
ok yes but consider physical space issues as well as heat dissapation. Yes i know the macs run cooler but box size is an issue you need a lot of floor space.l on.html
I can buy a 64 proc 1.6 gig athlon cluster for $70,000 from http://www.microway.com/products/clusters/dualath
This comes with Myrinet which is much better than ether lower latencie as well as high bandwidth. This is a preconfigured cluseter in one nice rackmount unit just plugin in and go. I would love to see dual proc rack mount macs as this would give another alternative to either x86 or sun. Sun netras are nice looking but slow and exspensive (yes i spent the summer working with one i know) intel is very very very cheap and configuration costs are minimal config one mache dd disk image to other have dhcp do the networking easy as pie.
for real fun stick mosix on and run mpi on top of mossix. You get a small performance loss but gain massive reliablilty.
You can use cluster nodes as part of a desktop lab but watch what happens when one gets rebooted and MPI gets very confused. For real clusetering you want rack mount small size footprint as well as low cost
I'm also sacrificing my ability to mod on this thread to reply to you, so I hope you're happy
as well
I sit here on my dual duron 1.1 gig machine. Yes the L2 cache is smaller but this machine is faster than a 4 way ultrasparc 450 which has 8 Meg of cache per processors. Cache coherency and pre fetchm make more of a difference than you think. It is certanly faster than the 1.1 gig athlon i had cos i was sent the wrong chips. Put in SMP form the duron kicks arss esp considering the price difference between a duron and MP or XP has to be doubled if u a re using a dual proc machine
Ok i have update My case cos ddr ram is just to tall
However i would like one that is quiet. I have been considering building a water cooled rig but the idea of the radiators and the pumps puts me off + the idea of a water in my PC bad. Pumps can / do fail and produce quiet a bit of noise. I have seen 1 and had 1 idea that would greatly improve this. ! using a powerstation style cooler (a condenser i think) and second using a gravity fed water to cool the CPU's. Simply put a parge tank at the top of PC and a large tank at the base
Fill both with mineral oil (more heat conductive than water and does not conduct electrcity so no danger in case of leaks) have 2 level sensors in the upper tank 1 to turn pump on to pump from base tank and one to turn PC off in event of falure of the pump ie level is to low (This is also used to prevent power on unil a head has been built up) however i have not yet seen anything like this on the net.
The halls that i live in at uni (Bangor N. Wales) were all laid with cat 5 for years however the university refused to actually install the routers and switches till this year. Me and some other geeks in the building started planning the following solution to the problem :))
Every 2 floors we bought 1 adsl connection (£40 pm) and connected all the machines to one back bone a squid proxy + linux box connected to eac adsl line + ip masquradeing then connectect each machine to local squid serevr and each squidd server to each other as peers
make the squid server Masquarade but rather than just simple masqurading use a round robin DNS so each connection request went to a different adsl line. Hope fully this would keep down starvation/flooding of links. Using tos for more advanced routing and a couple of patches u can favour local (ie close low number of hops) connections if they are free and use further away connections when localtraffic is high so ping times will vary but bandwidth will remain constant.
This also means u can use a large number of different ISP's so if one goes down every ones access gets slower but doesnt die compleatly
so now you have a system where every x many houses share an adsl line amungst them and the larger nan is only there for local use or when there are a lot of local requests also your squid proxies share amungst themselves (most traffic is web only) and reduce total bandwidth use you can also use this to have ipV6 in the nan and ipv4 on the internet connection (this will help with namespace and ip allocation
IBM have said in the past that unless a manager can come up with a very good reason not to release something under the GPL (such as proprietry code huge technological advantage etc) then everything must be released under the gpl. I for one am pleased that they are holding to this.
Hopefully they can now sell there linux certified laptops with more of a clean consciusness.
I do not know if this will help the other winmodem users (see www.linmodems.org) there is a lucent driver that works with my saterlite 4030cdt but hope fully this will help to getting an open source driver (or a second sound card)
The other modem releated question is those amr (audio modem riser cards)
does anyone know howto / if these work under linux
at last we have a decent 3d modeller.
I know about blender et al but this looks like it will be realy good
It is good to see the snowballing of good quality 3D opensource applications. Helped along by the emergance of fast 3d acceleration (NVIDA 3dfx and ATI) The rendering quality looks good from the screen shots
Good to see that there server has been slashdoted already!
I have read the article and sun does make a lot of vaild ideas concerning not locking down ideas to one platform/language. This can only be a good thing (open systems breed good competition)
XML and java do work well together (look at www.openxml.org).
Yes all of suns ideas are not perfect rmi is cool but has a large overhead however sun will let us add things and run on free systems
Give me an open solution that i can run on any system rather than a one OS one language solution
The other advantage of an IA is that they are very easy to administer via the net lots of pretty boxes. This means that people who would not normally use a linux/unix for fear of ease of use but like the reliability/uptimes can use them without having to worry about the command line etc.. This is a good way to bring unix into a windows only enviroment and show the power that these systems have
what about non deterministic computers
This book is solwy aimed at current computers which are based on turing machines however quoantam computers (based on quoantam effects) are non deterministic and can just know what the answer to a mathematical problem is without having to calculate the answer
what about nueral nets. These simultate the actions of the brain and so in theory could? simulate consicusness (sorray about spelling) Nuel nets are not yet currently power full enough but wire up enough nodes and teach them this could make a difference And this is on a deterministic machine
We have just had comcast installed the pipes went in last year and we are *STILL* not connect the sales people have no idea what a cable modem is let alone when we will be likely to be able to get acsess to the net with one but this in the UK
after talking to techies they put me on the list of demo tester but this is not likely to be for a fwe years.
Our town was suposed to be connect about 2 years before but they are late the work of the pipe layers was very very shoddy ie not in a remotly straight line but hey i can weight for PSTN