"Can you people learn to read please? The poster said two examples. One was about faxes; one was about clip art. Not that clip art needed to be available to put in fax cover pages."
And can you learn to read? I specifically addressed the posters comments about clip art in faxes. As to clip art in general, anyone can add their clipart collection to openoffice, and only a dummy would try to confabulate this non-issue with the crap "fax clip art" we've all been subjected to because of Office.
Errm... how about trying it out before judging it?
errm... how about because the applet failed to load?
If you go to the site, you'll see their premise is stupid - that game companies will license this to sell old dos games on cell phones, rather than porting them. Of course what they overloook is once you have the emulator, you don't need the game companies - just go through any abandonware site, or your stacks of old floppies.
The big problem many people said they have with last night's decision is that it undermines what the voters said they wanted last November.
During last night's hearing, a number of people protested the amendment saying commissioners don't have the power or the right to change the initiative but they did anyway. County Commissioner Bill Carey was the one dissenter in last night's vote. He said the commissioners do have the power to amend the initiative but he doesn't think they should have. He said it should have been given a chance. "I believe we should have implemented the initiative the voters approved. I suggested we should have given the initiative the voters approved a chance and if after a year or so, there really were problems, we should make amendments then," he said.
Carey said he hopes voters aren't too discouraged by last night's vote and he urges them not to give up on the democratic process.
I hear that everyone else was going "like.... bummer, dude!"
You can get used Cisco switches on ebay for less than half the price of the "killer nic" - and ALL the computers connected to them will enjoy the benefits, not just the one with the "killer nic".
The best reason to use OOo - its NOT Word. Its not supposed to be a Word clone
Now you're just being silly.
No, people who insist on "100% has to look the exact same including all the bugs" are being silly. Who cares if your 99-page document takes 98 (or 100) pages in OO? The world would be a better place if most people were forced to use a plain-text editor for a while. It would stop people wasting time doing things like adjusting their margins, font sizes, and line spacing so that they hit the 10 pages required for their homework assignment, for one. Or subjecting people to ridiculous popwerpoint presentations and excel spreadsheets trying to polish a turd of an idea.
Of course, that would require the average person to be more literate, as well as less susceptible to OST syndrome - "oh - shiny thingee!"... like that's going to happen...
"get really tired of people who complain about pagination. If you need your pages to flow exactly in a certain way you need to put page breaks and other controls in there. Someone sometimes is doing to change the font slightly or add a few words. Neither should throw your entire document out of wack and make you redo the whole thing. Page breaks, especially odd and even breaks are there for you.."
These are the same people who randomly push the ENTER key at the right-hand margin rather than let the words wrap around to the next line. Its not funny getting something from them and your setup is different.
This is what it will
end up
looking like because the
person doesn't have a clue as to what
they're doing and you have
a
bunch of embedded CRs
in the
file!!!
Telling them to press CTL+ENTER when they want to insert a hard page break ("what's a hard page break?") is a waste of time.
Well...why? What kind of integration are you looking for? Kontact/KOrganizer is pretty nifty already (and should be available for Windows later this year). What information would they share?
Under Windows? Probably everything - your SSN, your documents, your spreadsheets, and anything else on your hard drive... after all, if its going to work like a real Windows app, you should always be left wondering "Where did my files go today?" Won't someone think of the anti-virus vendors?
The secretary isn't being paid to re-invent the wheel.
The secretary is being paid to get the monthly employee certificates, good-will posters and office newsletters out the door before the close of business Tuesday.
The one-click download from MS Office Home gets the job done.
In other words:
Word is responsible for a lot of the junk that ends up in the recycling bin in most businesses
Replacing Word with OO will mean no more monthly employee certificates, good-will posters and office newsletters
Savings in wsted paper and time, plus improved morale from not having to read the junk == PROFIT!
So, in summary OO is good for the planet AND saves you money by NOT being a Word clone.
Kind of reminds me of all the time people wasted/still waste playing with the wallpaper on their desktops. Between that and solitaire, bazsllions of $$$ have been lost.
"Like most so-called Linux evangelists, you're not listening. He wants to use clip art and templates. He wants to do exactly what he does with Word. He wants to use Open Office. If Linux wants to convert people to their OS, then FIX IT!"
... right... because everyone should be able to make stuff that looks like a ransom note written by someone who failed grade 3 - three times.
The best reason to use OOo - its NOT Word. Its not supposed to be a Word clone any more than WordPerfect was... its not like the Word.doc format will ever be a standard - even Word isn't compatible with Word.
"Unless you are running a server or something, there's no reason to leave your computer on when you aren't using it. It just wastes power."
My computer is my central heating system, you ignorant clod!"
Think about it - during the heating season, if you use electric resistance heating, you can run your computer "for free" 24 hours a day - the heat it generates will be the same as the heat from that many watts going through your baseboards, so its a wash. Same thing with incandescent lighting.
Of course, in the summer, you have to expend that much more in AC to remove the excess heat...
"Also putting in a switch in front would add latency."
Not really - the switch will examine the first few bytes in the packet, then route it. Its called "cut-and-forward", as opposed to grabbing the whole packet and then forwarding it - "store-and-forward". The switch can always figure out from the first 7 bytes (and usually less) which port to forward to. You won't notice a few nano-seconds.
"It's not going to save any electricity. You rather have 2 boxes on while you're gaming instead of one, and while you're not gaming you still have one sucking electricity. There's no real energy savings here.
You might game for an hour or two, and download/seed for 24 - for 22 of those hours, your main box is off and not using electricity - and its more than likely that you can run the older box headless, saving even more juice; also that the video card in the older box doesn't run as hot...
If you're so worried about bittorrent degrading your performance, save your money - haul out that "obsolete" 1-2ghz machine and you won't have to leave your main box running (and costing electricity) when you seed.
This week another developer installed suse 10.3 alpha 1 on his dual-lcd box at work - all his Windows apps work - and one of them works better under linux than it does under Windows. Plus he now has access to a lot of stuff that just isn't available under Windows.
"Java. I like to concentrate on solving problems or making things work"
... haven't tried to do much with the latest version of Eclipse, have you? s.l..o...w... to the point of unusability. Maybe they should have written it in assembler rather than self-hosting.
I gave it a try last week, to work on some c code (downloaded the c/c++ extensions). I also figured I'd try jedit. I went back to vim.
"I can't blame citizens for rolling over when the word from the government is "comply or be watch your stock hit the floor due to bad press over audits"."
I think you've found it...
Tell the FBI etc to go f$ck themselves
Short your company's stock before they start their harrassment/auditing/whatever
I think it might - all those sysadmins with linux and bsd boxes squirreled away now have an excuse to create scripts to hammer microsoft's search engine - "Hey boss, linux is good - we're using it to earn the company credits."
If they REALLY want to capitalize on it, they can hire a spyware programmer to help turn their desktops into a botnet cluster when the employees aren't using them.
videotron is already streaming hi-def to their customers. They've also been doing SD video-on-demand for years. They have no problems with local capacity at this point - they're doing rolling upgrades throughout the network - and they're only interested in VoD to their own customers, so they don't care about how good or bad other people's networks are.
Limits? My ISP (videotron.com) has 3 accounts with limits (600k, 7mbps, 20mbps) and one without limits (10mbps). I've been using the 10mpbs for years, and transferred up to 400 gigs a month with no problem. This week I've been seeding is Debian 3.1r5 - I've uploaded 30 gigs so far, no big deal.
The reason is simple - they've upgraded their network with a lot of fiber so that they can stream hi-def tv to the home. Also, their main competitor (sypatico aka sympatislow or sympathetic) has no cap on any of their services, so its a question of who blinks first...
"I believe that another important fear is that of disempowerment. Open source is usually free of charge, which means that their budgets and thus their importance decreases."
How many of us read this, and are saying "Hey, if they're worried about the consequences of reduced budgets, they can always throw me another $50k a year..."?:-)
Its not about budgets, and its not about power - its about managers who aren't really right for the job - because the JOB has changed.
Look at it this way - 1st-rate people hire 1st-rate people. 2nd-rate people hire 3rd-rate people, probably because they're intimidated by anyone being "as good as" or "better" than them.
Any IT project manager who doesn't have a clue about the GPL, LGPL, and BSD licenses should be fired. He or she is obviously not willing to do their homework, and hasn't been, for about a decade.
Additionally, you should probably go up the food chain one more rung and fire whoever hired/manages them. After all, they let this piece of deadwood contine in their slot for god knows how long.
So they blocked sourceforge, and they banned thumb drives, to prevent open source code from "leaking into" the company. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a cell phone with tons of free space - its not *just* for music and videos. And most of us can write a proxy server in one line, run it on our home machine or another server, and get around any site bans just fine.
"You will know when the editorial staff have the power to sway the record buying public.
It will coincide with some of them mysteriously coming across gifts and large tax free donations by 'investors' from the music biz."
I think you mis-spelled "cocaine". Acceptable spellings: blow, coke, snow, nose candy, C, snow, flake, cane, dust, shake, toot, white lady, etc...
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"Can you people learn to read please? The poster said two examples. One was about faxes; one was about clip art. Not that clip art needed to be available to put in fax cover pages."
And can you learn to read? I specifically addressed the posters comments about clip art in faxes. As to clip art in general, anyone can add their clipart collection to openoffice, and only a dummy would try to confabulate this non-issue with the crap "fax clip art" we've all been subjected to because of Office.
Okay, now time for my morning coffee!
errm ... how about because the applet failed to load?
If you go to the site, you'll see their premise is stupid - that game companies will license this to sell old dos games on cell phones, rather than porting them. Of course what they overloook is once you have the emulator, you don't need the game companies - just go through any abandonware site, or your stacks of old floppies.
Are you referring to the poster, or the slashdot editors?
http://www.kcfw.com/montana_news.php?id=01723a93ff e12ca09070c26c8713da13
I hear that everyone else was going "like .... bummer, dude!"
You can get used Cisco switches on ebay for less than half the price of the "killer nic" - and ALL the computers connected to them will enjoy the benefits, not just the one with the "killer nic".
No, people who insist on "100% has to look the exact same including all the bugs" are being silly. Who cares if your 99-page document takes 98 (or 100) pages in OO? The world would be a better place if most people were forced to use a plain-text editor for a while. It would stop people wasting time doing things like adjusting their margins, font sizes, and line spacing so that they hit the 10 pages required for their homework assignment, for one. Or subjecting people to ridiculous popwerpoint presentations and excel spreadsheets trying to polish a turd of an idea.
Of course, that would require the average person to be more literate, as well as less susceptible to OST syndrome - "oh - shiny thingee!" ... like that's going to happen ...
"get really tired of people who complain about pagination. If you need your pages to flow exactly in a certain way you need to put page breaks and other controls in there. Someone sometimes is doing to change the font slightly or add a few words. Neither should throw your entire document out of wack and make you redo the whole thing. Page breaks, especially odd and even breaks are there for you.."
These are the same people who randomly push the ENTER key at the right-hand margin rather than let the words wrap around to the next line. Its not funny getting something from them and your setup is different.
Telling them to press CTL+ENTER when they want to insert a hard page break ("what's a hard page break?") is a waste of time.
Under Windows? Probably everything - your SSN, your documents, your spreadsheets, and anything else on your hard drive ... after all, if its going to work like a real Windows app, you should always be left wondering "Where did my files go today?" Won't someone think of the anti-virus vendors?
In other words:
So, in summary OO is good for the planet AND saves you money by NOT being a Word clone.
Kind of reminds me of all the time people wasted/still waste playing with the wallpaper on their desktops. Between that and solitaire, bazsllions of $$$ have been lost.
"Like most so-called Linux evangelists, you're not listening. He wants to use clip art and templates. He wants to do exactly what he does with Word. He wants to use Open Office. If Linux wants to convert people to their OS, then FIX IT!"
The best reason to use OOo - its NOT Word. Its not supposed to be a Word clone any more than WordPerfect was ... its not like the Word .doc format will ever be a standard - even Word isn't compatible with Word.
My electricity comes from hydro-electric dams, so its a lot "greener" than natural gas can ever be - zero C)2 emissions.
"Unless you are running a server or something, there's no reason to leave your computer on when you aren't using it. It just wastes power."
My computer is my central heating system, you ignorant clod!"
Think about it - during the heating season, if you use electric resistance heating, you can run your computer "for free" 24 hours a day - the heat it generates will be the same as the heat from that many watts going through your baseboards, so its a wash. Same thing with incandescent lighting.
Of course, in the summer, you have to expend that much more in AC to remove the excess heat ...
"Also putting in a switch in front would add latency."
Not really - the switch will examine the first few bytes in the packet, then route it. Its called "cut-and-forward", as opposed to grabbing the whole packet and then forwarding it - "store-and-forward". The switch can always figure out from the first 7 bytes (and usually less) which port to forward to. You won't notice a few nano-seconds.
"It's not going to save any electricity. You rather have 2 boxes on while you're gaming instead of one, and while you're not gaming you still have one sucking electricity. There's no real energy savings here.
You might game for an hour or two, and download/seed for 24 - for 22 of those hours, your main box is off and not using electricity - and its more than likely that you can run the older box headless, saving even more juice; also that the video card in the older box doesn't run as hot ...
If you're so worried about bittorrent degrading your performance, save your money - haul out that "obsolete" 1-2ghz machine and you won't have to leave your main box running (and costing electricity) when you seed.
"Windows applications don't run on Linux"
You'd be surprised. Even Internet Explorer runs under linux.
This week another developer installed suse 10.3 alpha 1 on his dual-lcd box at work - all his Windows apps work - and one of them works better under linux than it does under Windows. Plus he now has access to a lot of stuff that just isn't available under Windows.
"Java. I like to concentrate on solving problems or making things work"
I gave it a try last week, to work on some c code (downloaded the c/c++ extensions). I also figured I'd try jedit. I went back to vim.
"I can't blame citizens for rolling over when the word from the government is "comply or be watch your stock hit the floor due to bad press over audits"."
I think you've found it ...
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I think it might - all those sysadmins with linux and bsd boxes squirreled away now have an excuse to create scripts to hammer microsoft's search engine - "Hey boss, linux is good - we're using it to earn the company credits."
If they REALLY want to capitalize on it, they can hire a spyware programmer to help turn their desktops into a botnet cluster when the employees aren't using them.
"Our concern with for-profit institutions is that students may not learn the fundamental the tools for understanding and solving complex issues,"
Gee, I hope they never have to write a parser ...
videotron is already streaming hi-def to their customers. They've also been doing SD video-on-demand for years. They have no problems with local capacity at this point - they're doing rolling upgrades throughout the network - and they're only interested in VoD to their own customers, so they don't care about how good or bad other people's networks are.
Limits? My ISP (videotron.com) has 3 accounts with limits (600k, 7mbps, 20mbps) and one without limits (10mbps). I've been using the 10mpbs for years, and transferred up to 400 gigs a month with no problem. This week I've been seeding is Debian 3.1r5 - I've uploaded 30 gigs so far, no big deal.
The reason is simple - they've upgraded their network with a lot of fiber so that they can stream hi-def tv to the home. Also, their main competitor (sypatico aka sympatislow or sympathetic) has no cap on any of their services, so its a question of who blinks first ...
"I believe that another important fear is that of disempowerment. Open source is usually free of charge, which means that their budgets and thus their importance decreases."
How many of us read this, and are saying "Hey, if they're worried about the consequences of reduced budgets, they can always throw me another $50k a year ..."? :-)
Its not about budgets, and its not about power - its about managers who aren't really right for the job - because the JOB has changed.
Look at it this way - 1st-rate people hire 1st-rate people. 2nd-rate people hire 3rd-rate people, probably because they're intimidated by anyone being "as good as" or "better" than them.
Any IT project manager who doesn't have a clue about the GPL, LGPL, and BSD licenses should be fired. He or she is obviously not willing to do their homework, and hasn't been, for about a decade.
Additionally, you should probably go up the food chain one more rung and fire whoever hired/manages them. After all, they let this piece of deadwood contine in their slot for god knows how long.
So they blocked sourceforge, and they banned thumb drives, to prevent open source code from "leaking into" the company. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a cell phone with tons of free space - its not *just* for music and videos. And most of us can write a proxy server in one line, run it on our home machine or another server, and get around any site bans just fine.
"hardware failure won't be an issue as long as you back up the tracks and any licenses on a CD, DVD, or portable memory key."
You must be new here.
"Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it."
-- Linus B. Torvalds
"You will know when the editorial staff have the power to sway the record buying public. It will coincide with some of them mysteriously coming across gifts and large tax free donations by 'investors' from the music biz."
I think you mis-spelled "cocaine". Acceptable spellings: blow, coke, snow, nose candy, C, snow, flake, cane, dust, shake, toot, white lady, etc...