They'll be bought out by slashdot, along with Slackware and Madagascar (after winning a copyright suit against MIT-Sony) to make CowboyNeal geek robots (eats your food and ties up your fiber-optic line)...;-)
So at&t may merge with AOL/Time-Warner (netscape, like cnn are parts of their respective companies and are not part of the name)... why are people just now assuming this is the end of the world? Compaq aquired DEC, and then was aquired by HP. I would imagine that gateway will merge sometime in the next 3 years. I think people are forgetting about the massive expensives it takes to start and finish a tech project (whether its software or cable lines), and this is why companies like NullSoft, etc become part of larger ones. So who's left? Microsoft... yeah... IBM, Intel... check... Sun... still there... Apple... unfortunatly(;-) no offense to apple fanatics)... I don't see a problem with this, as it is the survival of the fittest and if one were to check out the computer history books, they'd realize that the same companies that dominate now have been doing so for 20+ years, and in some cases 40-50+. Conglomerate corporations aren't inheritantly bad, in-fact I would like to hear one example of a corporate merger that hurt the consumer. Mercedes & Chrysler, no. Apple & Microsoft (yes, apple did sell part of its soul to Bill), nothing too bad. Aol, et al... that remains to be seen and if some of the rumurs are true (about the cable access) then I may have to rethink my position. Now if Microsoft merged with RedHat, I'd be scared...
that has nothing to do with what we were talking about... have a vulnerablilty by default and dealing with patches... iis is default... and by the looks of codered alot more than 3 use/used iis
*Note: This is not entirely off topic, more of a summation of the last couple days worth of linux nes*...I wonder if they honestly thought fucking big businesses (the ibms, compaqs, hps, etc) in the ass would help cement their world dominance for all eternity (doesn't satan want to do that too???)... Lets face it, they (microsoft) are very good at what they do... business (haha... and you were thinking software???), maybe even better than anyone else. But they left out one little unthinkable at the time detail... open source. So the community of hundreds of thousands develops this OS which begins to mature... becomes the media darling... and is taken as the potential OS of choice for IBM's top of the line servers, HP's servers, and is also an influencial key-note in caldera's decision to open Unix. While this doesn't immediatly hurt MS, I think that all this coverage and definitly the support on the part of these companies (Oh... so IBM and HP have decided to put linux on the tens of thousands of dollars servers??? maybe i should try that...) is going to help linux in the long run.
same logic as you said above... microsoft provided a patch (nomatter how late, they still did... now if someone had sued before the patch...) and some idiots decided it wasn't worth having (hence codered II)... can't sue microsoft, because they can't force you to install the patch(no matter how much they try with that windows update shit)
If they're IBM machines most likely they're going to use Linux... IBM is making a company wide push to the linux platform.
Now my only question is... where can i get a beowulf cluster of these babies? That would be sweet...
"For performance comparison purposes, similarly configured systems are used, where only the memory type (PC133), the processor type and the motherboard are different."
Now I don't know about the rest of you but that strikes me as some pretty important stuff to be different. I mean besides harddrive speed, is anything else as important has the speed of your ram, your bus (motherboard) and the type of your processor(cache, instruction sets)? I'm curious as to what his exact configurations were (they're not mentioned),and if he used the exact same configurations relative to the system. (Such as using exactly 256 of the same relative speed memory, etc).
Why the media picked Code Red (maybe it was the name... Mountain Dew has been getting alot of pr... hmm... conspiracy???;-)), over sircam is beyond me. Lets see...
Code Red only affects windows 2k... and only windows 2k thats running IIS. Thats not a very sizable market.
Sircam affects anyone too stupid to be careful (which is pretty sizable... just think about how dumb the average person is and remember that 50% of the population is stupider than that). Ironically has anyone noticed that its the the virus,worms,etc that are aimed at people that cause more damage than those aimed at the technology (if you call windows that). Kinda makes me wonder why we're pushing for AI when we're having enough trouble finding NI. Just a thought...
Ok... Final Fantasy... incredible movie, and sometimes even looked real (hell, it was close enough for me at the present time). Now, while this is AT&T software is nice and all, it is nowhere near the relative level of the graphics in Final Fantasy. In fact, I've heard this before... it sounds eirily similiar to that program on the mac that my friend so loves annoying me with.
I suppose you'll never know when only around 50-100 people have ever seen the source code. M$ takes alot of shit for its mistakes which I disagree with... we shouldn't chastise M$ for buffer overruns (linux has alot too) but rather for the fact that they take forever getting a patch out there. Part of the blame also lies on windows "users", because unlike the linux community they're not exactly all about fixing something that doesn't necessarily look broken.
It would seem to me that if the govt is allowed to quarantine a small town due to some disease, etc... then they should be able to tell some dumb sysadmin to either A)Get rid of the worm or B)Disconnect the machine from the network. I understand that certain privacy, rights groups would throw a fit but this is important. The internet is way too important to how we live now (although I don't believe this worm is nearly as crippling as the media has been portraying), and we need to protect it. Seriously folks, think about it... say Bob has ebola and the govt tells him he not only can't leave his house, but has to go live in a bubble. Do you think the Human Rights organizations would bitch??? So why should it be different with a sick computer...
ps- I, too, have some issues with the govt telling me whether my computer could be on or not... however I would never have the worm long enough to do any damage, and would be responsible enough to accept the fact that I was a fuck up. Interesting question: If this thing does start to rack up damage $$$, who is responsible: the virus writer, or the virus users???
i was thinking about that... but theres a problem: Microsoft already has total market share (well at least within a few percentage points) on the desktop... anything they do isn't really going to hurt themselves. They'll tell Joe Dumbass that it has to be that way for security, because as we all know its not microsoft programs but 3rd party programs that cause security holes *rolls eyes*, and anyway Joe will listen because they always do...
I love how so many companies that grew up around the PC (umm... hmm... Microsoft and Intel ring a bell???), that helped in it's creation, and made a shit load of money off of it's one general principle (It's Open) are now trying to tell the consumer what they can do with it. I'm happy Intel repented on their mistake, because forcing people to buy something is a universally stupid mistake in a industry based on competition. Now if we can only get Microsoft to get rid of that stupid hardware configuration, 1 license = 1 computer crap they built into Win XP...
*Warning: Master of the Obvious Statement* All this means is that we have to look outside magnetic disk as storage medium... which from what I've understand we've been able to accomplish and should be available just before we top out our magnetic disk. Some examples: Optical Storage, holding 1 terabyte per square centimeter. Or how about organic storage. Don't forget about the storage capablilites of beowulf clusters and server farms (granted that can get very expensive very quickly). And god only knows what IBM is working on. All I'm saying is that before anyone panics(then again this problem is more aimed at entities such as the IRS, places that need that much storage and not the typical pc user), just take a look around to see whats out there.
Seriously... wouldn't life be better if it were "open source"??? Oh wait, didn't someone try that... something about being Red??? This rocket program is an excellent idea, and with NASA's growing financial problems maybe they can learn something about how to not to waste an unlimited amount of money.
Govt Official: What will the launch do?
NASA executive: We're not entirely sure but if it works, which is roughly a 50-50 chance, it'll be really sweet.
GO:And... how much will this cost???
NE: Hard to say, the engineers are very optimistic that this will be a cheap project.
GO:Meaning what???
NE:Oh, give or take a billion...
But seriously folks, even nasa's new iniative of cheaper, smaller missions still cost in the hundreds of millions of dollars and seems to fail every other time. No wonder they're having "financial trouble". Hell, if I had that much money and wanted someone to get me in space... I'd make damn sure they knew the differences between metic and standard (*rolls eyes*... how the hell did rocket scientist mess that up???).
whoa... sorry... That came out wildly messy... I apologize. What I meant to get at was that Microsoft does infact dislike Open Source example 1, example 2. They dislike the GPL, and I'd imagine no matter how much you elitest shmucks like to disagree they dislike the BSD licences. The only license microsoft likes is its own... get that straight. This isn't a bad thing, hell Microsoft has always been more of a company than software maker.
Unfortunately in Microsoft's eyes, thats all Open Source code... look I'll be the first to admit that the GPL is a cancer, virus, etc. That IS how it is meant to be used, giving the progammer some control over something that would otherwise be uncontrolable. I program, and I release my work under the GPL (sorta)... granted these aren't major commercial programs but thats not the point. The point is I don't mind if someone messes with my source code or if they try to make money off of my programs. However what I do mind is that I have no control over my own code, so decidely so I make it so noone has full control over my code, ever. GPL'd code can be commericial, but I wouldn't reccommend it just yet.
BSD, Linux... we may be different boats but its still the same ocean. So as a linux advocate, anytime something good happens for BSD or any other Open Source initiative its good for the community. And lets face it, this contract is huge for the community... not so much as in oh, well damn the government is going to fund FreeBSD, but as in the govt is going to fund an Open Source project. This is just another step down the road to general public acceptence... what will all of microsoft's FUD matter if Open Source (Linux and BSD) have the Fed, media and hundreds of thousands of brilliant programmers behind it?
Now I have a reason not to do laundry (besides the old smell test)... but seriously, a form of e.coli??? I hope they know what they're doing... that isn't a particularly nice organism.
just a thought - doesn't ecoli come from rotting flesh (bad hamburger for example)??? Sounds like alot of my fellow nerds to me...;-)
Yes but the question comes down to whether or not cloning something for the sake of making the "masses" think linux is great worth it??? Windows is not Linux. And Linux will never be windows (thank god). I just don't see how.NET will help linux.
IBM did indeed start microsoft, however it was Microsoft and Intel that truly had pc market dominance. IBM let the pc go... through some good and bad decisions. Yes they were the dominant force, but that lasted maybe what 5 years... before Microsoft and Intel became big enough to stop following the IBM standard and create their own. As for IBM and open source... IBM seems to sincerly support open source and not as a market domination type thing (although never underestimate IBM's dislike of Bill and friends).
For better reading... see if you can pick up a copy of Computer Wars: How the west can win in a post-ibm world by Charles Morris and Charles Ferguson... it was written in '93 so its kind of old... but its got alot of good history of what went down between IBM and Microsoft.
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They'll be bought out by slashdot, along with Slackware and Madagascar (after winning a copyright suit against MIT-Sony) to make CowboyNeal geek robots (eats your food and ties up your fiber-optic line)... ;-)
So at&t may merge with AOL/Time-Warner (netscape, like cnn are parts of their respective companies and are not part of the name)... why are people just now assuming this is the end of the world? Compaq aquired DEC, and then was aquired by HP. I would imagine that gateway will merge sometime in the next 3 years. I think people are forgetting about the massive expensives it takes to start and finish a tech project (whether its software or cable lines), and this is why companies like NullSoft, etc become part of larger ones. So who's left? Microsoft... yeah... IBM, Intel... check... Sun... still there... Apple... unfortunatly(;-) no offense to apple fanatics)... I don't see a problem with this, as it is the survival of the fittest and if one were to check out the computer history books, they'd realize that the same companies that dominate now have been doing so for 20+ years, and in some cases 40-50+. Conglomerate corporations aren't inheritantly bad, in-fact I would like to hear one example of a corporate merger that hurt the consumer. Mercedes & Chrysler, no. Apple & Microsoft (yes, apple did sell part of its soul to Bill), nothing too bad. Aol, et al... that remains to be seen and if some of the rumurs are true (about the cable access) then I may have to rethink my position. Now if Microsoft merged with RedHat, I'd be scared...
that has nothing to do with what we were talking about... have a vulnerablilty by default and dealing with patches... iis is default... and by the looks of codered alot more than 3 use/used iis
however not prior to the first known exploitations which began around may... codered isn't the first to exploit this, just the best
*Note: This is not entirely off topic, more of a summation of the last couple days worth of linux nes*...I wonder if they honestly thought fucking big businesses (the ibms, compaqs, hps, etc) in the ass would help cement their world dominance for all eternity (doesn't satan want to do that too???)... Lets face it, they (microsoft) are very good at what they do... business (haha... and you were thinking software???), maybe even better than anyone else. But they left out one little unthinkable at the time detail... open source. So the community of hundreds of thousands develops this OS which begins to mature... becomes the media darling... and is taken as the potential OS of choice for IBM's top of the line servers, HP's servers, and is also an influencial key-note in caldera's decision to open Unix. While this doesn't immediatly hurt MS, I think that all this coverage and definitly the support on the part of these companies (Oh... so IBM and HP have decided to put linux on the tens of thousands of dollars servers??? maybe i should try that...) is going to help linux in the long run.
Hell... a win2k box would have no security holes if i turned off all the damn ports too... gotta love theo
same logic as you said above... microsoft provided a patch (nomatter how late, they still did... now if someone had sued before the patch...) and some idiots decided it wasn't worth having (hence codered II)... can't sue microsoft, because they can't force you to install the patch(no matter how much they try with that windows update shit)
If they're IBM machines most likely they're going to use Linux... IBM is making a company wide push to the linux platform.
Now my only question is... where can i get a beowulf cluster of these babies? That would be sweet...
"For performance comparison purposes, similarly configured systems are used, where only the memory type (PC133), the processor type and the motherboard are different."
Now I don't know about the rest of you but that strikes me as some pretty important stuff to be different. I mean besides harddrive speed, is anything else as important has the speed of your ram, your bus (motherboard) and the type of your processor(cache, instruction sets)? I'm curious as to what his exact configurations were (they're not mentioned),and if he used the exact same configurations relative to the system. (Such as using exactly 256 of the same relative speed memory, etc).
Why the media picked Code Red (maybe it was the name... Mountain Dew has been getting alot of pr... hmm... conspiracy??? ;-)), over sircam is beyond me. Lets see...
Code Red only affects windows 2k... and only windows 2k thats running IIS. Thats not a very sizable market.
Sircam affects anyone too stupid to be careful (which is pretty sizable... just think about how dumb the average person is and remember that 50% of the population is stupider than that).
Ironically has anyone noticed that its the the virus,worms,etc that are aimed at people that cause more damage than those aimed at the technology (if you call windows that). Kinda makes me wonder why we're pushing for AI when we're having enough trouble finding NI. Just a thought...
I don't pay for either of them... ;-)
Ok... Final Fantasy... incredible movie, and sometimes even looked real (hell, it was close enough for me at the present time). Now, while this is AT&T software is nice and all, it is nowhere near the relative level of the graphics in Final Fantasy. In fact, I've heard this before... it sounds eirily similiar to that program on the mac that my friend so loves annoying me with.
I suppose you'll never know when only around 50-100 people have ever seen the source code. M$ takes alot of shit for its mistakes which I disagree with... we shouldn't chastise M$ for buffer overruns (linux has alot too) but rather for the fact that they take forever getting a patch out there. Part of the blame also lies on windows "users", because unlike the linux community they're not exactly all about fixing something that doesn't necessarily look broken.
It would seem to me that if the govt is allowed to quarantine a small town due to some disease, etc... then they should be able to tell some dumb sysadmin to either A)Get rid of the worm or B)Disconnect the machine from the network. I understand that certain privacy, rights groups would throw a fit but this is important. The internet is way too important to how we live now (although I don't believe this worm is nearly as crippling as the media has been portraying), and we need to protect it. Seriously folks, think about it... say Bob has ebola and the govt tells him he not only can't leave his house, but has to go live in a bubble. Do you think the Human Rights organizations would bitch??? So why should it be different with a sick computer... ps- I, too, have some issues with the govt telling me whether my computer could be on or not... however I would never have the worm long enough to do any damage, and would be responsible enough to accept the fact that I was a fuck up. Interesting question: If this thing does start to rack up damage $$$, who is responsible: the virus writer, or the virus users???
i was thinking about that... but theres a problem: Microsoft already has total market share (well at least within a few percentage points) on the desktop... anything they do isn't really going to hurt themselves. They'll tell Joe Dumbass that it has to be that way for security, because as we all know its not microsoft programs but 3rd party programs that cause security holes *rolls eyes*, and anyway Joe will listen because they always do...
I love how so many companies that grew up around the PC (umm... hmm... Microsoft and Intel ring a bell???), that helped in it's creation, and made a shit load of money off of it's one general principle (It's Open) are now trying to tell the consumer what they can do with it. I'm happy Intel repented on their mistake, because forcing people to buy something is a universally stupid mistake in a industry based on competition. Now if we can only get Microsoft to get rid of that stupid hardware configuration, 1 license = 1 computer crap they built into Win XP...
*Warning: Master of the Obvious Statement* All this means is that we have to look outside magnetic disk as storage medium... which from what I've understand we've been able to accomplish and should be available just before we top out our magnetic disk. Some examples: Optical Storage, holding 1 terabyte per square centimeter . Or how about organic storage. Don't forget about the storage capablilites of beowulf clusters and server farms (granted that can get very expensive very quickly). And god only knows what IBM is working on. All I'm saying is that before anyone panics(then again this problem is more aimed at entities such as the IRS, places that need that much storage and not the typical pc user), just take a look around to see whats out there.
Just in case someone is massivly anal retentive, i fucked up metric... sorry...
Seriously... wouldn't life be better if it were "open source"??? Oh wait, didn't someone try that... something about being Red??? This rocket program is an excellent idea, and with NASA's growing financial problems maybe they can learn something about how to not to waste an unlimited amount of money.
Govt Official: What will the launch do?
NASA executive: We're not entirely sure but if it works, which is roughly a 50-50 chance, it'll be really sweet.
GO:And... how much will this cost???
NE: Hard to say, the engineers are very optimistic that this will be a cheap project.
GO:Meaning what???
NE:Oh, give or take a billion...
But seriously folks, even nasa's new iniative of cheaper, smaller missions still cost in the hundreds of millions of dollars and seems to fail every other time. No wonder they're having "financial trouble". Hell, if I had that much money and wanted someone to get me in space... I'd make damn sure they knew the differences between metic and standard (*rolls eyes*... how the hell did rocket scientist mess that up???).
whoa... sorry... That came out wildly messy... I apologize. What I meant to get at was that Microsoft does infact dislike Open Source example 1, example 2. They dislike the GPL, and I'd imagine no matter how much you elitest shmucks like to disagree they dislike the BSD licences. The only license microsoft likes is its own... get that straight. This isn't a bad thing, hell Microsoft has always been more of a company than software maker.
Unfortunately in Microsoft's eyes, thats all Open Source code... look I'll be the first to admit that the GPL is a cancer, virus, etc. That IS how it is meant to be used, giving the progammer some control over something that would otherwise be uncontrolable. I program, and I release my work under the GPL (sorta)... granted these aren't major commercial programs but thats not the point. The point is I don't mind if someone messes with my source code or if they try to make money off of my programs. However what I do mind is that I have no control over my own code, so decidely so I make it so noone has full control over my code, ever. GPL'd code can be commericial, but I wouldn't reccommend it just yet.
BSD, Linux... we may be different boats but its still the same ocean. So as a linux advocate, anytime something good happens for BSD or any other Open Source initiative its good for the community. And lets face it, this contract is huge for the community... not so much as in oh, well damn the government is going to fund FreeBSD, but as in the govt is going to fund an Open Source project. This is just another step down the road to general public acceptence... what will all of microsoft's FUD matter if Open Source (Linux and BSD) have the Fed, media and hundreds of thousands of brilliant programmers behind it?
Now I have a reason not to do laundry (besides the old smell test)... but seriously, a form of e.coli??? I hope they know what they're doing... that isn't a particularly nice organism. ;-)
just a thought - doesn't ecoli come from rotting flesh (bad hamburger for example)??? Sounds like alot of my fellow nerds to me...
Yes but the question comes down to whether or not cloning something for the sake of making the "masses" think linux is great worth it??? Windows is not Linux. And Linux will never be windows (thank god). I just don't see how .NET will help linux.
IBM did indeed start microsoft, however it was Microsoft and Intel that truly had pc market dominance. IBM let the pc go... through some good and bad decisions. Yes they were the dominant force, but that lasted maybe what 5 years... before Microsoft and Intel became big enough to stop following the IBM standard and create their own. As for IBM and open source... IBM seems to sincerly support open source and not as a market domination type thing (although never underestimate IBM's dislike of Bill and friends). For better reading... see if you can pick up a copy of Computer Wars: How the west can win in a post-ibm world by Charles Morris and Charles Ferguson... it was written in '93 so its kind of old... but its got alot of good history of what went down between IBM and Microsoft.