Except in 2011, even after Elop killed all non-microsoft OSes, they were still able to deliver two MeeGo based phones - N9 and N950.
Deliver N950, really? Could you get it sold and supported by customer care anywhere? In an incredibly off chance you can get your hands on an N950, try use it with the hardware keyboard open.
Your comment is full of wishful thinking. The dominance of Symbian was eroding fast even before Elop came to Nokia. S40 is good, but not exceptional; Bada and cheap Chinese crap based on Android are giving it a hard time. Meego was almost there, right... for some liberal definitions of "almost", which are compatible with the software being buggy, having a very meager set of apps, and the platform developers changing direction at the drop of a hat.
It's probably a good idea to avoid websites that cause the browser to make more than 32 HTTP requests only to retrieve style for a freaking web page. Sure, it's all cached and hopefully pipelined, but what obsessive-compulsives are able to manage so many stylesheets for their website, anyway?
can't dinamically change the innerHTML of a TR row,
innerHTML is evil. Use DOM to modify the document dynamically, it does not waste CPU cycles in an HTML parser.
When WinRT tablets arrive in force, corporate IT can use them to counter the iPad-toting managers and their faddish BYOD demands. Nothing will have a better level of support for Exchange, Office offline and 365, Sharepoint, etc., and Windows RT will finally have storage encryption.
So will Mozilla and Google complain that they can't write a browser for RIM?
No, that affront is reserved for Microsoft because they had the bad judgement to carry "Windows" over to the name of their ported-down platform for ARM tablets.
This reminds me terribly of that Air New Zealand sightseeing flight that was supposed to fly around Mt. Erebus in Antarctica, but instead flew into it. A sad day for Russian aviation.
I'm not sure. Windows used to be about "general-purpose" operating systems, hence the heat they took for wiring IE too closely into it in the past. Now this RT thing is an attempt at building a walled garden like iOS, but browser vendors seem to take an issue with this.
One news report stated a farmer saw the plane fly low above him with "the engine" running. It could have been a single engine failure, which should not have been catastrophic. He may have only said "the engine" because he couldn't tell from the sound if it were one or two engines running.
Come on, who expects a farmer to know these things?
I'm sure the pilots must have known the terrain.
Why? They were test pilots from Sukhoi who flew in for the demonstration flights.
Since they were suppose to be out on a 50 minute flight, they should have still been climbing.
And that's why they requested a descent?
Sorry, your armchair speculation does not add to understanding why this tragedy has occurred.
I'll ignore your "shoot the messenger" parts with nothing more than a comment that the vitriol against people gets stronger on Slashdot the more they point out home truths about Microsoft's favorites.
Wait, you first appeal to Ahonen's authority and then complain after I shoot holes in it?
Being obliged to pay into a two-year contract or pay an early termination fee does not really qualify as "free".
Actually it does; for two reasons. Firstly, if the customers were really counting the total price, it would make no sense to do phone subsidies. The fact they work and are done by operators is a pretty clear sign that customers care about the headline price. Secondly the customers normally want a contract anyway. They discount that from the deal and so the actual price of the phone is what they compare.
To cut the crap, the no-commitment price of a Lumia 900 is $450. That's hardly cheap, considering that it's a less specced-out model than the 64 GB N9.
No matter what the values are; the numbers which determine which strategy Nokia should persue seem pretty worthy of remark to me. If they were positive for the Windows strategy they would be published immediately just as the Lumia 900 initial week sales were. Notice how the more recent sales have not been mentioned at all.
You are really making too much of an issue out of N9 sales. The reality is probably somewhere in the middle: the sales were good for the circumstances (this probably validated the design for the subsequent Lumias), but not spectacular.
Firstly; the claim is for the period from Lumia launch until Christmas and then a second claim for Q1 2012. The thing is; if this isn't true then there are a bunch of people, working for Nokia, who know the exact numbers and could just publish them tomorrow. If this is an "urban myth" then it's something causing Nokia damage and they simply have a duty to publish.
I guess it's not causing Nokia damage as much as the community around certain kooky blogs and Slashdot would like to imagine.
More importantly than that; one of the most important sources for this "rumor" is Tommi Ahonen who is a) a former Nokia executive b) a consultant who makes his money solely from his experties in this area and c) the only analyst to consistently and correctly predict Nokia's market share, sales and profits (he was over-optimistic with profits; but still the lowest estimate going) over each of the recent quarters.
In other words a) he may have an axe to grind; b) he benefits from making loud statements as long as they sound plausible to certain audiences? I'd like to check the predictions, but it's hard to wade through pages and pages of emotionally-laden prose, if you don't share in the emotion, of course. The article you reference has quite a funny few paragraphs on his N9 sales "analysis", starting with outright admission that he does not have the hard data, and continuing with:
But first, we have seen that Elop hates MeeGo and has been going out of his way to discredit that OS and the related phones. Several of his Nokia chiefs for the MeeGo project have resigned in protest. So, we can be pretty sure, that still in Q1, MeeGo has outsold Lumia.
Do you really take this guy seriously? If you do, I have a bridge to sell. No wait, further onwards he mentions "a really complex multidimensional optimization model" as his method. It just keeps getting better.
There were plenty of other sources showing the N9 outseling the Lumias.
Isn't it a pity that you can't cite any of them here to save a good truthy-sounding story?
Given that the Lumia 900 has been given away for free in the US to AT&T customers
Being obliged to pay into a two-year contract or pay an early termination fee does not really qualify as "free".
Still, it's pretty clear that, unless Nokia steps up to refute it, Nokia is hiding sales figures it should have been publishing and those sales figures would have shown the N9 ahead of the Lumia phones.
Really? I don't think Nokia has an obligation to publish sales figures for any particular device. They tend to especially dodge it if the sales have been unremarkable.
The market seems to agree with the "Slashdot analysts".
Oh, if the stock price history has a hidden meaning that confirms your conspiracy theory, I'm sure the Finnish market regulators would be very interested in it. Quick, email them.
So you quote yourself as if that proved you were right?
Nobody in that thread was able to post a single legit reference after my request, so I guess I was.
The worst part for you is, the guy who has came up with the figures, Tomi Ahonen
Right, his long-winded writings are the only thing that N9 sales myth believers refer to all the time. His way to, erm, derive the numbers is quite entertaining.
On topic, I recently read an anecdote about an N8 that kept working after getting run over by an armored military vehicle in Finland and catching fire.
No, the stable has finally put the old nag to long-deserved rest and now it fields the spunky new breed. You keep betting on your favorite, no worries:-)
Or buy PowerDVD, if you are really into watching BluRay with all the juicy features. Choice, without having to pay up for one of the options in any case because it's bundled with the OS, as it is in WinXP or Win7.
with Nokia abandoning a promising platform that has still sold very well compared to their new lumia line
Last time this came up, it turned out there are no credible sources confirming this.
and going with an unproven OS that has been out almost two years now and still has done nothing but collect dust on retailers shelves worldwide.
"Almost two years" is about one and a half, actually. I suggest you go to your nearest AT&T store and check the dust on the shelves stocking Lumia 900 (I heard you don't have to go very far inside, they put them up front). Or T-Mobile with their little brother model, for that matter.
Taking over a company by proxy without investing a single cent is something Finnish "SEC" should look at closely, if their govt officials weren't all bought and paid for.
Or perhaps, contrary to what armchair business analysts on Slashdot tend to think, they see that no such takeover has taken place.
Except that Nokia intentionally and dramatically increased this risk by killing MeeGo, which is a production quality OS which kicks the shit out of Android and Windows Phone 7.
MeeGo proper was never even released on any commercially available device. What N9 got is a Maemo version bastardized and rebranded as MeeGo. And as somebody who has actually used the N9 and the Lumia 800 back to back, I attest that the software in N9 is nowhere near the quality of Windows Phone 7.
people looking for instant success are both naive and represent what is wrong with investors in general these days.
Or, more often on this site, they need some superficial confirmation that Nokia was wrong in abandoning a Linux-based platform and going with Microsoft.
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Except in 2011, even after Elop killed all non-microsoft OSes, they were still able to deliver two MeeGo based phones - N9 and N950.
Deliver N950, really? Could you get it sold and supported by customer care anywhere? In an incredibly off chance you can get your hands on an N950, try use it with the hardware keyboard open.
I forgot to add that Qt was never meant to be ported to S40, and calling it "best development tools" is to speak fanboy.
Your comment is full of wishful thinking. The dominance of Symbian was eroding fast even before Elop came to Nokia. S40 is good, but not exceptional; Bada and cheap Chinese crap based on Android are giving it a hard time. Meego was almost there, right... for some liberal definitions of "almost", which are compatible with the software being buggy, having a very meager set of apps, and the platform developers changing direction at the drop of a hat.
Internet Explorer only support 32 stylesheets,
It's probably a good idea to avoid websites that cause the browser to make more than 32 HTTP requests only to retrieve style for a freaking web page. Sure, it's all cached and hopefully pipelined, but what obsessive-compulsives are able to manage so many stylesheets for their website, anyway?
can't dinamically change the innerHTML of a TR row,
innerHTML is evil. Use DOM to modify the document dynamically, it does not waste CPU cycles in an HTML parser.
When WinRT tablets arrive in force, corporate IT can use them to counter the iPad-toting managers and their faddish BYOD demands.
Nothing will have a better level of support for Exchange, Office offline and 365, Sharepoint, etc., and Windows RT will finally have storage encryption.
So will Mozilla and Google complain that they can't write a browser for RIM?
No, that affront is reserved for Microsoft because they had the bad judgement to carry "Windows" over to the name of their ported-down platform for ARM tablets.
This reminds me terribly of that Air New Zealand sightseeing flight that was supposed to fly around Mt. Erebus in Antarctica, but instead flew into it.
A sad day for Russian aviation.
I'm not sure. Windows used to be about "general-purpose" operating systems, hence the heat they took for wiring IE too closely into it in the past. Now this RT thing is an attempt at building a walled garden like iOS, but browser vendors seem to take an issue with this.
One news report stated a farmer saw the plane fly low above him with "the engine" running. It could have been a single engine failure, which should not have been catastrophic. He may have only said "the engine" because he couldn't tell from the sound if it were one or two engines running.
Come on, who expects a farmer to know these things?
I'm sure the pilots must have known the terrain.
Why? They were test pilots from Sukhoi who flew in for the demonstration flights.
Since they were suppose to be out on a 50 minute flight, they should have still been climbing.
And that's why they requested a descent?
Sorry, your armchair speculation does not add to understanding why this tragedy has occurred.
Behold Boot to Gecko.
I think on civilian jets that works off a radar altimeter that looks straight down, so it gives little warning about an approaching mountain.
I'll ignore your "shoot the messenger" parts with nothing more than a comment that the vitriol against people gets stronger on Slashdot the more they point out home truths about Microsoft's favorites.
Wait, you first appeal to Ahonen's authority and then complain after I shoot holes in it?
Being obliged to pay into a two-year contract or pay an early termination fee does not really qualify as "free".
Actually it does; for two reasons. Firstly, if the customers were really counting the total price, it would make no sense to do phone subsidies. The fact they work and are done by operators is a pretty clear sign that customers care about the headline price. Secondly the customers normally want a contract anyway. They discount that from the deal and so the actual price of the phone is what they compare.
To cut the crap, the no-commitment price of a Lumia 900 is $450. That's hardly cheap, considering that it's a less specced-out model than the 64 GB N9.
No matter what the values are; the numbers which determine which strategy Nokia should persue seem pretty worthy of remark to me. If they were positive for the Windows strategy they would be published immediately just as the Lumia 900 initial week sales were. Notice how the more recent sales have not been mentioned at all.
You are really making too much of an issue out of N9 sales. The reality is probably somewhere in the middle: the sales were good for the circumstances (this probably validated the design for the subsequent Lumias), but not spectacular.
Firstly; the claim is for the period from Lumia launch until Christmas and then a second claim for Q1 2012. The thing is; if this isn't true then there are a bunch of people, working for Nokia, who know the exact numbers and could just publish them tomorrow. If this is an "urban myth" then it's something causing Nokia damage and they simply have a duty to publish.
I guess it's not causing Nokia damage as much as the community around certain kooky blogs and Slashdot would like to imagine.
More importantly than that; one of the most important sources for this "rumor" is Tommi Ahonen who is a) a former Nokia executive b) a consultant who makes his money solely from his experties in this area and c) the only analyst to consistently and correctly predict Nokia's market share, sales and profits (he was over-optimistic with profits; but still the lowest estimate going) over each of the recent quarters.
In other words a) he may have an axe to grind; b) he benefits from making loud statements as long as they sound plausible to certain audiences? I'd like to check the predictions, but it's hard to wade through pages and pages of emotionally-laden prose, if you don't share in the emotion, of course. The article you reference has quite a funny few paragraphs on his N9 sales "analysis", starting with outright admission that he does not have the hard data, and continuing with:
Do you really take this guy seriously? If you do, I have a bridge to sell. No wait, further onwards he mentions "a really complex multidimensional optimization model" as his method. It just keeps getting better.
There were plenty of other sources showing the N9 outseling the Lumias.
Isn't it a pity that you can't cite any of them here to save a good truthy-sounding story?
Given that the Lumia 900 has been given away for free in the US to AT&T customers
Being obliged to pay into a two-year contract or pay an early termination fee does not really qualify as "free".
Still, it's pretty clear that, unless Nokia steps up to refute it, Nokia is hiding sales figures it should have been publishing and those sales figures would have shown the N9 ahead of the Lumia phones.
Really? I don't think Nokia has an obligation to publish sales figures for any particular device. They tend to especially dodge it if the sales have been unremarkable.
The market seems to agree with the "Slashdot analysts".
Oh, if the stock price history has a hidden meaning that confirms your conspiracy theory, I'm sure the Finnish market regulators would be very interested in it. Quick, email them.
So you quote yourself as if that proved you were right?
Nobody in that thread was able to post a single legit reference after my request, so I guess I was.
The worst part for you is, the guy who has came up with the figures, Tomi Ahonen
Right, his long-winded writings are the only thing that N9 sales myth believers refer to all the time. His way to, erm, derive the numbers is quite entertaining.
Want numbers?
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/04/who-wants-numbers-lumia-on-t-mobile-lumia-800-vs-lumia-710-how-many-nokia-n9.html
So Tomi admits up front:
And then he power-dives into ridiculous speculation based on supposed emotional states of various people in Nokia.
Yes, I still want numbers.
You drowned your phone in 6 feet of beer?
On topic, I recently read an anecdote about an N8 that kept working after getting run over by an armored military vehicle in Finland and catching fire.
And yet the N9 sold more than the Lumias, despite having limited market presence, few apps and no future whatsoever.
If you repeat this urban myth a hundred times, it will become even more truthy.
No, the stable has finally put the old nag to long-deserved rest and now it fields the spunky new breed. You keep betting on your favorite, no worries :-)
Further, you can always use VLC.
Or buy PowerDVD, if you are really into watching BluRay with all the juicy features. Choice, without having to pay up for one of the options in any case because it's bundled with the OS, as it is in WinXP or Win7.
with Nokia abandoning a promising platform that has still sold very well compared to their new lumia line
Last time this came up, it turned out there are no credible sources confirming this.
and going with an unproven OS that has been out almost two years now and still has done nothing but collect dust on retailers shelves worldwide.
"Almost two years" is about one and a half, actually. I suggest you go to your nearest AT&T store and check the dust on the shelves stocking Lumia 900 (I heard you don't have to go very far inside, they put them up front). Or T-Mobile with their little brother model, for that matter.
Taking over a company by proxy without investing a single cent is something Finnish "SEC" should look at closely, if their govt officials weren't all bought and paid for.
Or perhaps, contrary to what armchair business analysts on Slashdot tend to think, they see that no such takeover has taken place.
Except that Nokia intentionally and dramatically increased this risk by killing MeeGo, which is a production quality OS which kicks the shit out of Android and Windows Phone 7.
MeeGo proper was never even released on any commercially available device. What N9 got is a Maemo version bastardized and rebranded as MeeGo. And as somebody who has actually used the N9 and the Lumia 800 back to back, I attest that the software in N9 is nowhere near the quality of Windows Phone 7.
The problem for Nokia share holders is that it appears that their CEO is getting more compensation from Microsoft than Nokia
Source?
people looking for instant success are both naive and represent what is wrong with investors in general these days.
Or, more often on this site, they need some superficial confirmation that Nokia was wrong in abandoning a Linux-based platform and going with Microsoft.