When MS said 64K was all the memory anyone would ever need They never said that, didn't say 640K either.
When programs on even other system were not blotted to be large but performed very well. When every program required it's own video card driver, when you couldn't copy and paste, no email, no Internet.
When the price of ram was very high. Thanks Ron.
When programs loaded much quicker. Notepad runs really fast too.
It is all of that other crap like DRM running in the background that is causing everything to slow down
Can you provide real evidence of DRM slowing things down during regular use? No, of course you can't. But I'm betting you'll have a friend of a friend who knows someone who said it does that, that's good enough for you. By the way, aliens have taken over your workplace, make a hat out of tinfoil quick.
It is hard to see how 3G can be gobbled up by some eye candy and other "UI innovations".
It's not actually. Vista is much more aggressive in memory usage, it will claim as much as it can for caching and release when needed. Once superfetch (and readyboost) auto-optimize themselves (it takes a little while for it to learn what you're doing and adapt itself), you'll understand why the extra memory gives a nice boost.
2GB is great, which is what I used in XP. (I'm running developer tools and VMs, so 4GB would be great, even in XP)
On a related matter - all our Christmas tree decorations were LED this year, looked a lot better than incandescent and in the UK, at least, sold out well before Christmas.
Christmas trees are bad for the environment. A whole industry that uses natural resources for primitive paganistic decorative purposes, what a waste. Lets ban Christmas trees in 3 years. Instead of a tree, you'll be able to have a Christmas tree screensaver for your computer.
Steve is, as always, inspirational to say the least. I think he was trying to make a point, developers make the platform.
Microsoft treats their developers well. Unlike the average linux geek fest love-in, where you ask for help and get told to RTFM.
(Ah yes, RTFM, the sound of a platform going nowhere at high speeds. )
Honestly, though, Linux doesn't do too bad, I like to think of the Linux platform as a school of pilot fish. The real platforms can't do everything at once, there's always some crap leftover, and that's where Linux fits in.
This reminds me of a similar bug, but we handled it a little differently.
A company I was working with used to have discounted shipping with some promotions, and if you ordered over a certain amount, it was free. There was a fun bug in the software that we didn't catch that would allow people to add the amount needed for free shipping, to to checkout, and change their order and the shipping amount would set to zero. (The shipping method would also get set from USPS or UPS to blank as well, the user could set it back but then they would get charged for shipping again)
Not many people knew of the bug, and it was only during a promitional period; but we had about 5 people who did it multiple times. The company came up with a solution, they would fulfill the order, package it and leave it in a stack by the door. Then they sent out an email telling them where and when they could pick up the items, since they didn't pay for shipping, or they could cancel the order.
Maybe before you claim that a worm will wipe out half of the Macs on the Internet, you should cite precedent of a virus/worm actually affecting a Mac that is not proof of concept, but rather, a legitimate worm. On top of that, how will a single worm "wipe out" tens of thousands of computers? Would not the idea of a patch alleviate the problem, as it has for windows after its countless viruses and worms?
Apple uses what I refer to as the "Titanic" method of security. You can try to build an unhackable system, but there's no such thing. It's not the worm that's out now, it's the one that pops up in 2 years and you find out you didn't have any anti-virus software running to help stop or slow the damage.
Yes, patching can alleviate the problem. But does the entire user-base patch at the same time automatically? As for Windows, I agree, it has a horrible track record with viruses and worms. I also think that third party anti-virus software can strengthen the platform over time. (Keyword is 'can', some AV software is just lousy). I also think that Vista will improve security in Windows, we'll just have to wait and see on that one.
Finally, I was a little strong (crass, crude, obnoxious) with my previous message, but honestly, I don't think I'm wrong.
Microsoft embarrasses me as a computer professional
Strange, I feel the same way about Linux and Mac zealots...
Lets face some facts, Linux, will never win. Ever. Linux will never, ever, ever, ever, become the dominant OS in the PC market. Linux distros and users don't have what it takes. The average Linux expert here spends 50% of their time griping about Windows, 25% of their time outright bashing Microsoft and 25% of the time actually saying something (semi)intelligent. Unfortunately they usually spend 0% of their time helping new Linux users, so good luck there.
Mac, you are going to implode under your own success. I see Apple with 40% of the market before a worm wipes out half the Macs on the Internet, mostly thanks to the Apple caviler attitude regarding security.
As in: Yes, if you elevate yourself to admin you can ruin your system. Installing software usually requires admin access, so you have to authenticate, opening yourself up to admin.
Super elite hax0r Rutkowska is worried that by default, installers usually need to be run as admin.
Cite please, or is this another baseless Twitter Anti-M$ wankfest?
Good lord, no. Twitter got those numbers from a very reliable source. He used Teh Intarweb.
Let me look it up, I'll just fire up my search engine here...
OK, here are the results:
spam, spam, porn, spam, alien mind control article, spam, porn, porn, spam, ah here it is, Super Awesum Dude says 'at least 25% of all Windoze PCs are already part of a botnet'.
So, lets re-write that.
With 25% of Windoze PCs already part of a botnet Source: Super Awesum Dude from a blog I found somewhere and copied to Slashdot.
Seriously, use the right tools for the job. If you need a multipurpose OS that runs most of the worlds software, you use Windows. If you need some serious workstation stuff, there's Sun and Solaris. If you do some graphics or writing, a Mac might be a good idea. And if you're a pompous ass, there's Linux and Mac, most likely both at the same time.
IANAL but from what I have read, all the license clause says is that if you want to run vista home in a virtual machine, you need one license for each copy of vista home you are running (whereas vista pro lets you use a copy in a VM even if its already being used on the real machine too).
Got it right the first time. But that doesn't make sensational headlines here.
Now, the fact that this actually made it to the front of Slashdot says something....
Basically it says 'whine whine whine, Vista bad', like a crying toddler. But I'm beginning to expect that from the Mac & Linux userbases.
Actually, you have it reversed. You see, the Mac & Linux are in the 'I'm too cool'/Brittany category.
Quotes like "I don't use Windows, I use FREE software" shows the arrogance that surrounds the average Linux userbase. Don't even get me started with the Mac zealots.
Lets just put it this way, the majority of mac and linux power users act like assholes.
So, I'll stoop down to their level with this:
Dear Linux and Mac users,
Go back to your little toys and have fun, I'm too busy actually helping create and run the market that you are permitted to dwell in.
Linux and Macs are still firmly in the toy department.
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I'm also sure that there are lots of people working on a hack to disable this right now. (I've not used Vista so I may be misinformed - there may be a way to disable it easily anyway?)
Yes, it can be disabled by the user. The user must have Administrative access to disable it, so that might help limit it.
(Control Panel-->User Accounts-->Turn user account control on or off)
I have to pay the Gateway mafia their payola or download an illegal version of Windows and put my legal key in. $10? Why didn't he burn the CD like they told him to? oh well.
With DRM what you expect and what you get may not be the same. I recall seeing some discussion of the Legal XP key becomming invalidated in the Vista upgrade process. A quick Google search brings up gems like "Vista will invalidate your XP key (so you won't be able to set up a dual-boot option nor will you be able to use that version of XP on another machine). Not only that, but if you ever uninstall Vista, you won't be able to fall back on your copy of XP anymore. Nice"
I recall seeing discussions about alien mind control with quick google searches as well, it doesn't mean it's true. Anyone with half a brain knows that an upgrade clause does not equal deactivation. Get your collective heads out of your asses and stop libeling Microsoft.
Single vendor copy protected software may not provide you the privilages you expected to recieve when you bought it.
Home grown software may not provide you with an improved experience as well.
1. The program files menu doesn't cascade and can't be made to.. it's squashed into the left side of the screen.
Right click on the start menu, select properties, select classic menu.
2. It also takes 2-3 seconds to respond to clicks. 4. Battery usage - XP consistently got 3-3.5 hours. Vista with search service enabled - less than 1 hour. Vista with search service disabled - slightly under 2 hours. Wait until the indexing service is finished indexing, leave your computer on for a day if you want to make sure. Battery life after the system has indexed everything is roughly equal to that in XP. Also, make sure your laptop has an up to date BIOS (anything in the past year or two should be fine so the power savings features will work).
3. You can't change the default folder view from 'big huge-ass icons' to something sane. The button is there, albeit hidden ('make all folders look like this one') but it doesn't actually work.
Yes you can, select tools, folder options, view.
I haven't got used to the UI and I've been using it for a while.. it's awful. As soon as this project is over XP is back.
Your loss. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The good news is, when ubuntu changes their UI to look more like Aero, you can go tell everyone how great it is.
Actually, the learning curve isn't as bad as you think, takes about a week of constant use and you don't want to go back. I'm even using the new WindowsKey-Tab thing more. Program search is pretty cool as well.
I bought a nVidia card yesterday (after the Vista launch) to upgrade my aging 9800. There's a huge fucking sticker on the box saying 'Windows Vista Ready', so, I expect it to work with Vista. (It does, but I swear my ATi 9800 ran Aero slightly faster).
If you choose to purchase an upgrade version of Windows Vista to upgrade XP, you will no longer be able to use that version of XP. Either on another system, or as a dual-boot option. The key will be invalidated, preventing activation.
Actually, it deactivates your XP Key. Actually, it causes your XP CD to melt. Actually, it sends all your personal information to Microsoft to make sure you don't re-install it. Actually, it makes lawyers show up at your door if you touch the XP CD again. Actually, it uses alien mind-ray technology to make sure you forget your XP key.
Actually, it doesn't do anything, it's just there to "legally" stop you from running both XP and the Vista upgrade at the same time.
Now stop making stupid assumptions. Remember, when you assume, you make an ass out of yourself (leave me the hell out of it).
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When MS said 64K was all the memory anyone would ever need
They never said that, didn't say 640K either.
When programs on even other system were not blotted to be large but performed very well.
When every program required it's own video card driver, when you couldn't copy and paste, no email, no Internet.
When the price of ram was very high.
Thanks Ron.
When programs loaded much quicker.
Notepad runs really fast too.
It is all of that other crap like DRM running in the background that is causing everything to slow down
Can you provide real evidence of DRM slowing things down during regular use? No, of course you can't. But I'm betting you'll have a friend of a friend who knows someone who said it does that, that's good enough for you. By the way, aliens have taken over your workplace, make a hat out of tinfoil quick.
It is hard to see how 3G can be gobbled up by some eye candy and other "UI innovations".
It's not actually. Vista is much more aggressive in memory usage, it will claim as much as it can for caching and release when needed. Once superfetch (and readyboost) auto-optimize themselves (it takes a little while for it to learn what you're doing and adapt itself), you'll understand why the extra memory gives a nice boost.
2GB is great, which is what I used in XP. (I'm running developer tools and VMs, so 4GB would be great, even in XP)
On a related matter - all our Christmas tree decorations were LED this year, looked a lot better than incandescent and in the UK, at least, sold out well before Christmas.
Christmas trees are bad for the environment. A whole industry that uses natural resources for primitive paganistic decorative purposes, what a waste. Lets ban Christmas trees in 3 years. Instead of a tree, you'll be able to have a Christmas tree screensaver for your computer.
Steve is, as always, inspirational to say the least. I think he was trying to make a point, developers make the platform.
Microsoft treats their developers well. Unlike the average linux geek fest love-in, where you ask for help and get told to RTFM.
(Ah yes, RTFM, the sound of a platform going nowhere at high speeds. )
Honestly, though, Linux doesn't do too bad, I like to think of the Linux platform as a school of pilot fish. The real platforms can't do everything at once, there's always some crap leftover, and that's where Linux fits in.
http://techdigest.tv/pcmaclinux.jpg
I think that about sums things up.
This reminds me of a similar bug, but we handled it a little differently.
A company I was working with used to have discounted shipping with some promotions, and if you ordered over a certain amount, it was free. There was a fun bug in the software that we didn't catch that would allow people to add the amount needed for free shipping, to to checkout, and change their order and the shipping amount would set to zero. (The shipping method would also get set from USPS or UPS to blank as well, the user could set it back but then they would get charged for shipping again)
Not many people knew of the bug, and it was only during a promitional period; but we had about 5 people who did it multiple times. The company came up with a solution, they would fulfill the order, package it and leave it in a stack by the door. Then they sent out an email telling them where and when they could pick up the items, since they didn't pay for shipping, or they could cancel the order.
All of them paid for shipping.
Ever think about getting professional help? And I don't mean computer professional for the smug Linux attitude either.
Comparing a software release to rape? I'm guessing you have some deeper issues.
But the good news is, you did just post the stupidest message ever, so you win! YAAAYY!
Now, go play in traffic and wait for your prize.
Well, I did read your posting history, so I would say yes.
Maybe before you claim that a worm will wipe out half of the Macs on the Internet, you should cite precedent of a virus/worm actually affecting a Mac that is not proof of concept, but rather, a legitimate worm. On top of that, how will a single worm "wipe out" tens of thousands of computers? Would not the idea of a patch alleviate the problem, as it has for windows after its countless viruses and worms?
Apple uses what I refer to as the "Titanic" method of security. You can try to build an unhackable system, but there's no such thing. It's not the worm that's out now, it's the one that pops up in 2 years and you find out you didn't have any anti-virus software running to help stop or slow the damage.
Yes, patching can alleviate the problem. But does the entire user-base patch at the same time automatically? As for Windows, I agree, it has a horrible track record with viruses and worms. I also think that third party anti-virus software can strengthen the platform over time. (Keyword is 'can', some AV software is just lousy). I also think that Vista will improve security in Windows, we'll just have to wait and see on that one.
Finally, I was a little strong (crass, crude, obnoxious) with my previous message, but honestly, I don't think I'm wrong.
Microsoft embarrasses me as a computer professional
Strange, I feel the same way about Linux and Mac zealots...
Lets face some facts, Linux, will never win. Ever. Linux will never, ever, ever, ever, become the dominant OS in the PC market. Linux distros and users don't have what it takes. The average Linux expert here spends 50% of their time griping about Windows, 25% of their time outright bashing Microsoft and 25% of the time actually saying something (semi)intelligent. Unfortunately they usually spend 0% of their time helping new Linux users, so good luck there.
Mac, you are going to implode under your own success. I see Apple with 40% of the market before a worm wipes out half the Macs on the Internet, mostly thanks to the Apple caviler attitude regarding security.
Enjoy the holes you dug yourselves into.
So, the dialog box in Vista with the big 'hey, this requires elevated access' message isn't telling you a thing.
Spoken like someone who doesn't use Vista as a limited user.
You still have to authenticate with administrator access before you run the installer. There is no on-the-fly elevation.
No, it's a potential risk.
As in:
Yes, if you elevate yourself to admin you can ruin your system.
Installing software usually requires admin access, so you have to authenticate, opening yourself up to admin.
Super elite hax0r Rutkowska is worried that by default, installers usually need to be run as admin.
Cite please, or is this another baseless Twitter Anti-M$ wankfest?
Good lord, no. Twitter got those numbers from a very reliable source. He used Teh Intarweb.
Let me look it up, I'll just fire up my search engine here...
OK, here are the results:
spam, spam, porn, spam, alien mind control article, spam, porn, porn, spam, ah here it is, Super Awesum Dude says 'at least 25% of all Windoze PCs are already part of a botnet'.
So, lets re-write that.
With 25% of Windoze PCs already part of a botnet
Source: Super Awesum Dude from a blog I found somewhere and copied to Slashdot.
Seriously, use the right tools for the job. If you need a multipurpose OS that runs most of the worlds software, you use Windows. If you need some serious workstation stuff, there's Sun and Solaris. If you do some graphics or writing, a Mac might be a good idea. And if you're a pompous ass, there's Linux and Mac, most likely both at the same time.
IANAL but from what I have read, all the license clause says is that if you want to run vista home in a virtual machine, you need one license for each copy of vista home you are running (whereas vista pro lets you use a copy in a VM even if its already being used on the real machine too).
Got it right the first time. But that doesn't make sensational headlines here.
Now, the fact that this actually made it to the front of Slashdot says something....
Basically it says 'whine whine whine, Vista bad', like a crying toddler. But I'm beginning to expect that from the Mac & Linux userbases.
Actually, you have it reversed. You see, the Mac & Linux are in the 'I'm too cool'/Brittany category.
Quotes like "I don't use Windows, I use FREE software " shows the arrogance that surrounds the average Linux userbase. Don't even get me started with the Mac zealots.
Lets just put it this way, the majority of mac and linux power users act like assholes.
So, I'll stoop down to their level with this:
Dear Linux and Mac users,
Go back to your little toys and have fun, I'm too busy actually helping create and run the market that you are permitted to dwell in.
The truth hurts.
Linux and Macs are still firmly in the toy department.
I'm also sure that there are lots of people working on a hack to disable this right now. (I've not used Vista so I may be misinformed - there may be a way to disable it easily anyway?)
Yes, it can be disabled by the user. The user must have Administrative access to disable it, so that might help limit it.
(Control Panel-->User Accounts-->Turn user account control on or off)
I have to pay the Gateway mafia their payola or download an illegal version of Windows and put my legal key in. $10? Why didn't he burn the CD like they told him to? oh well.
With DRM what you expect and what you get may not be the same. I recall seeing some discussion of the Legal XP key becomming invalidated in the Vista upgrade process.
A quick Google search brings up gems like "Vista will invalidate your XP key (so you won't be able to set up a dual-boot option nor will you be able to use that version of XP on another machine). Not only that, but if you ever uninstall Vista, you won't be able to fall back on your copy of XP anymore. Nice"
I recall seeing discussions about alien mind control with quick google searches as well, it doesn't mean it's true. Anyone with half a brain knows that an upgrade clause does not equal deactivation. Get your collective heads out of your asses and stop libeling Microsoft.
Single vendor copy protected software may not provide you the privilages you expected to recieve when you bought it.
Home grown software may not provide you with an improved experience as well.
My God, you can actually search for applications? Wow, what will they think of next, using an innovative input device called a mouse?
Spoken like someone who hasn't fully used the OS. You'll learn, I hear they have classes like people for you at the CompUSA.
1. The program files menu doesn't cascade and can't be made to.. it's squashed into the left side of the screen.
Right click on the start menu, select properties, select classic menu.
2. It also takes 2-3 seconds to respond to clicks.
4. Battery usage - XP consistently got 3-3.5 hours. Vista with search service enabled - less than 1 hour. Vista with search service disabled - slightly under 2 hours.
Wait until the indexing service is finished indexing, leave your computer on for a day if you want to make sure.
Battery life after the system has indexed everything is roughly equal to that in XP. Also, make sure your laptop has an up to date BIOS (anything in the past year or two should be fine so the power savings features will work).
3. You can't change the default folder view from 'big huge-ass icons' to something sane. The button is there, albeit hidden ('make all folders look like this one') but it doesn't actually work.
Yes you can, select tools, folder options, view.
I haven't got used to the UI and I've been using it for a while.. it's awful. As soon as this project is over XP is back.
Your loss. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The good news is, when ubuntu changes their UI to look more like Aero, you can go tell everyone how great it is.
Actually, the learning curve isn't as bad as you think, takes about a week of constant use and you don't want to go back. I'm even using the new WindowsKey-Tab thing more. Program search is pretty cool as well.
I bought a nVidia card yesterday (after the Vista launch) to upgrade my aging 9800. There's a huge fucking sticker on the box saying 'Windows Vista Ready', so, I expect it to work with Vista. (It does, but I swear my ATi 9800 ran Aero slightly faster).
If you choose to purchase an upgrade version of Windows Vista to upgrade XP, you will no longer be able to use that version of XP. Either on another system, or as a dual-boot option. The key will be invalidated, preventing activation.
Actually, it deactivates your XP Key.
Actually, it causes your XP CD to melt.
Actually, it sends all your personal information to Microsoft to make sure you don't re-install it.
Actually, it makes lawyers show up at your door if you touch the XP CD again.
Actually, it uses alien mind-ray technology to make sure you forget your XP key.
Actually, it doesn't do anything, it's just there to "legally" stop you from running both XP and the Vista upgrade at the same time.
Now stop making stupid assumptions. Remember, when you assume, you make an ass out of yourself (leave me the hell out of it).