it is funny for you to see bill nye as the threat to your liberty when organized religion is the biggest liberty crushing enterprise ever
it is the same as this bullshit argument about "religious freedom" we hear about when the almighty catholic church might have to cover the reproductive healthcare costs of its employees. "religious freedom" from the perspective of the catholic church here is the "freedom" to be the freedom destroying oppressive force in question.
religious freedom is an oxymoron. there is no such thing as religious freedom. there is only the "freedom", ie, the slave's choice to give up your freedoms to a hierarchy of force that happens to dress in robes. who believes it holds absolute ability to interpret right and wrong based on what some grumpy old men (it's always men) think, who believe they have a monopoly on interpreting the will of a god. and if you disagree with them, force is used against you within the religious hierachy
this is "religious freedom"? there's no such thing. a true grasp on the concept of freedom and liberty requires that you reject organized religion in your life
yeah. the wright brothers built some stupid linen and balsa wood thing that fluttered above the ground for a few seconds. useless. they've been talking about flight for centuries
morse can send little tappity taps on a wire? big deal. i can't figure out what it means, and does anyone actually believe we're going to string wires all over the country? impossible!
and i heard of this television device. what a crazy unweildy delicate gizmo. shows a fluttering image you have to squint to maybe make out what they are trying to show. ma and pa middle america is going to set up this gizmo in their living rooms instead of a trusty radio? you're out of your minds. they have radio shows and the picture show at the local theatre, this television thing is going nowhere
in other words: thank god we have people with actual imagination in this world. what do dull minds like yours contribute exactly?
i completely and utterly do not understand why so many see the problem as the poor on welfare, and not the rich ripping off the society that created their riches, and then in turn corrupting the government with their cash
Democracy. Of course it can be corrupted. It is being corrupted. As of it wll ever be the case that trie liberty does not require constant maintenance? If the people ignore and stop believing in their own govt, it rots.
So the problem is the deluded fucked up retarded fools who believe their own fucking govt is the problem, and not the parasites corrupting it. Insane, propagandized dipshits. You have to work for your democracy. Or sit there and whine that it takes work to keep corruption at bay. We do get the govt we deserve: look at all the lazy, faithless, alienated, pessimistic, helpless, and untrusting moronic opinions you see out there. These are the voices of the downfall pf tje country
You're focusing on the word corporation. Call them chaebol, call them cartel, call them anything you want. The words I speak are true still.
You believe if the govt didn't have the ability to define certain rights for a corporation that whatever you want to call the conglomerate wouldnt be abusing customers and pulverizing small competitors with dirty tricks?
Where does this demented idea that govt is the cause of these problems? Study your economic history idiots. Look at poor countries, the kind of powers that dominate. A strong central govt is the only weapon you have from being raped by financial interests which would happily enslave you were there no barrier to do that. Wake the fuck up from your ignorant propaganda.
Free market fundamentalism is a dangerous religion, believing in crazy myths of the immaculate marketplace in spite of overwhelming facts and hisotircal record. And the idiots that believe this nonsense will be the downfall of this country.
Your democratic govt is not the enemy you morons, itis tje only weapon you have on your side. Cure it of its corporate infection
So we remove govt regulation. Corps cheers because now they can do whatever they want without paying off congresscritters. smaller players get more abused, customers get more shafted.
The corruption of the govt Is an EFFECT not a CAUSE of the problem. I didn't say getting rid of corruption is easy but I know for a fact no regulations equals more abuse. Why can't you see that?
You are assuming a perfect market of a wide availability of choices of middle size playing fairly. The reality is an oligopoly that suppresses competition from small players and squeezes customers for all they are worth. You can't use the fundamentals of capitalism to defend the practices of an oligopoly, please wake up.
And no, the government is not to blame for this, this is the natural state of affairs of an unregulated market. Yes, the government is corrupted to serve the oligopoly's interests, but to say the answer to that is to remove the government is to reward the disease for making the patient sick, removing all barriers to complete abuse of the customer.
Why do so many fools cling to the myth of the clean unregulated market? An unregulated market naturally gravitates to an oligopoly that colludes and
1. Squeezes smaller players 2. Abuses the customer 3. Corrupts the government
That is the natural state of the market. Wake up! The only effective remedy is a strong government with effective regulation. Cure your government of its corporate infection, its the only thing on your side. Really!
right. and if the usa decides to outlaw abortion, that's because bin laden attacked us on 9/11, right? that's the same logic by which you point to various cold war era events and say "therefore, everything that bad happens there is completely the fault of the west for all time"
i'm just trying to get you to see the folly of your nonsense
reailty: what happens in country {XYZ} is the responsibility of the people you live in country {XYZ}
he did 9/11. so let's now construct a creative narrative that everything bad that has happened in the USA since then is directly his fault
this is the same logic where meddling in iranian politics in the 1950s means the USA is to blame there for everything bad there since. hey, here's a crazy idea: it's 2012. maybe what happens in iran is the fault of gee, i dunno, the actual iranians who live there and what they think? pretty nutty theory huh?
am i excusing the usa for the 1950s in iran? no! if i say bin laden isn't responsible for everything bad in the usa for the next 60 years, am i excusing him for 9/11?!
try applying your mind and seeing that actual iranians have actual bad ideas all by themselves and lose your ridiculous hard on to blame everything bad in the world on the west
"Been to the driver license office lately? That will be your doctors office if we go down this path."
they don't love their healthcare in other rich industrialized nations (they all have universal healthcare), but they would not in a million years trade it for the nightmare that is the USA
governments are famous for mismanagement and bungling. and this is still better than the system we have
i don't look forward to government managed healthcare because it will be utopia, i look forward to it because it is clearly better than the nightmare system we currently have
we will pay less, live longer, and not worry about our healthcare. like every other modern industrialized nation
well said. except for the fact that fiscal policy is an important part of a functioning modern state. therefore, any attempt to create a fiscal system that the state cannot control represents a threat to the state. especially as Bitcoin attracts the interest of illicit activities
i'm not afraid of it. why the hell would i be afraid of it? i think it is stupid. am i allowed to think Bitcoin is stupid? do i have your permission? no?
not being able to think Bitcoin is stupid is the strongest evidence for the lack of viability of Bitcoin: that so many fanboys can't and won't see that the emperor has no clothes
dude: welcome to the Internet. if you don't like what i say or the way i say it, stop reading my posts and stop responding. it is not your job to be my father. this is a thread on slashdot, not a conversation over the christmas ham with your inlaws. the only appropriate response at this point is: fuck off you condescending patronizing prick
OK, so when drug and other illicit traffickers take a deeper interest in Bitcoin, and this attracts the negative interest of actual real societies with actual real enforcement capabilities and legal rights to shut servers down, let us see how your virtual society of enthusiasts defends their currency.
One way you could do that is prevent illicit drug activities. So shut down Silk Road.
Oh right, this goes against the very libertarian "anything goes" notions that gave rise to things like Bitcoin, so not many are going to be able to maintain discipline on this point. Plus, the kind of guys who run drug cartels aren't going to care one farthing about your utopian beliefs, and have no problem getting what they want by any transgressive means possible.
"Sounds like a good thing, with sovereign societies self-destructing one by one over this debt fiasco."
Oh that's cool. So when hungry mobs are roaming the streets you can push a button and live in the Internet instead? Or maybe you already live in a missile silo. You do realize there will be nothing to buy with bitcoins when societies self-destruct, right? You do realize you won't even be able to get to your bitcoins when without society no one maintains the Internet's infrastructure, right?
So maybe you should care more about real human societies than your fanboy alternacurrency fantasy life. But that might require some social iq you seem to be lacking right now.
the small fraction of rich americans who are comfortable enough to handle all potential healthcare out of pocket are the same americans who are financially intelligent enough (if they earned their own money) that they get health insurance anyways
but the argument isn't about this tiny exotic minority. it is about the middle class and the poor. and all middle class and poor must have mandatory health insurance
otherwise, what happens is mr. young stupid poor ayn rand acolyte with no health insurance breaks his arm
he avoids the bill or declares bankruptcy
then the hospital passes the unpaid bills on to the state and feds and WE pay, with our taxes, for the moron's "choice" not to be financially responsible for his own healthcare
to "choose" not to have health insurance is to choose to be freeloading shortsighted irresponsible asshole
health insurance must be mandatory
because too many assholes think freedom means freedom from responsibility
"pirates are being pirates? ok, let's punish the people who play by the rules even more" (thereby creating more pirates)
it's just like all that crap before you get to the actual movie on a dvd. who wants to sit through that? but i pirate the movie on the web, i don't get that bullshit
hey RIAA: your legislation and your controlling ways simply makes piracy more attractive
if instead of legislating how about you eat some humble pie by admitting that the fucking Internet happened, therefore meaning you need to change your economic model. therefore, you make people less likely to want to pirate
or let companies like Apple realize this for you, and erode your power further because now they take over your distribution powers, by having financial success with what music companies should have been doing. iTunes should have been your initiative, jackasses
your move, morons. why don't you aim for your pinkie toe this time
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it is funny for you to see bill nye as the threat to your liberty when organized religion is the biggest liberty crushing enterprise ever
it is the same as this bullshit argument about "religious freedom" we hear about when the almighty catholic church might have to cover the reproductive healthcare costs of its employees. "religious freedom" from the perspective of the catholic church here is the "freedom" to be the freedom destroying oppressive force in question.
religious freedom is an oxymoron. there is no such thing as religious freedom. there is only the "freedom", ie, the slave's choice to give up your freedoms to a hierarchy of force that happens to dress in robes. who believes it holds absolute ability to interpret right and wrong based on what some grumpy old men (it's always men) think, who believe they have a monopoly on interpreting the will of a god. and if you disagree with them, force is used against you within the religious hierachy
this is "religious freedom"? there's no such thing. a true grasp on the concept of freedom and liberty requires that you reject organized religion in your life
mankind, came out of the caves...
invented agriculture, toolmaking, metalworking, writing, reason, science, machinery, engines, mastered the atom, aircraft, spaceflight...
so he can go live in a cave again
poetic
Aluminum hydroxide is where it goes
no, you misunderstand. google actually launched hurricane isaac. that's how advanced their r&d into alternative energy is
so you destroy the parasites by killing the host
what a moron
yeah. the wright brothers built some stupid linen and balsa wood thing that fluttered above the ground for a few seconds. useless. they've been talking about flight for centuries
morse can send little tappity taps on a wire? big deal. i can't figure out what it means, and does anyone actually believe we're going to string wires all over the country? impossible!
and i heard of this television device. what a crazy unweildy delicate gizmo. shows a fluttering image you have to squint to maybe make out what they are trying to show. ma and pa middle america is going to set up this gizmo in their living rooms instead of a trusty radio? you're out of your minds. they have radio shows and the picture show at the local theatre, this television thing is going nowhere
in other words: thank god we have people with actual imagination in this world. what do dull minds like yours contribute exactly?
i completely and utterly do not understand why so many see the problem as the poor on welfare, and not the rich ripping off the society that created their riches, and then in turn corrupting the government with their cash
it boggles the mind
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Snitchin'
There is a solution. "we the people..."
Democracy. Of course it can be corrupted. It is being corrupted. As of it wll ever be the case that trie liberty does not require constant maintenance? If the people ignore and stop believing in their own govt, it rots.
So the problem is the deluded fucked up retarded fools who believe their own fucking govt is the problem, and not the parasites corrupting it. Insane, propagandized dipshits. You have to work for your democracy. Or sit there and whine that it takes work to keep corruption at bay. We do get the govt we deserve: look at all the lazy, faithless, alienated, pessimistic, helpless, and untrusting moronic opinions you see out there. These are the voices of the downfall pf tje country
You're focusing on the word corporation. Call them chaebol, call them cartel, call them anything you want. The words I speak are true still.
You believe if the govt didn't have the ability to define certain rights for a corporation that whatever you want to call the conglomerate wouldnt be abusing customers and pulverizing small competitors with dirty tricks?
Where does this demented idea that govt is the cause of these problems? Study your economic history idiots. Look at poor countries, the kind of powers that dominate. A strong central govt is the only weapon you have from being raped by financial interests which would happily enslave you were there no barrier to do that. Wake the fuck up from your ignorant propaganda.
Free market fundamentalism is a dangerous religion, believing in crazy myths of the immaculate marketplace in spite of overwhelming facts and hisotircal record. And the idiots that believe this nonsense will be the downfall of this country.
Your democratic govt is not the enemy you morons, itis tje only weapon you have on your side. Cure it of its corporate infection
So we remove govt regulation. Corps cheers because now they can do whatever they want without paying off congresscritters. smaller players get more abused, customers get more shafted.
The corruption of the govt Is an EFFECT not a CAUSE of the problem. I didn't say getting rid of corruption is easy but I know for a fact no regulations equals more abuse. Why can't you see that?
You are assuming a perfect market of a wide availability of choices of middle size playing fairly. The reality is an oligopoly that suppresses competition from small players and squeezes customers for all they are worth. You can't use the fundamentals of capitalism to defend the practices of an oligopoly, please wake up.
And no, the government is not to blame for this, this is the natural state of affairs of an unregulated market. Yes, the government is corrupted to serve the oligopoly's interests, but to say the answer to that is to remove the government is to reward the disease for making the patient sick, removing all barriers to complete abuse of the customer.
Why do so many fools cling to the myth of the clean unregulated market? An unregulated market naturally gravitates to an oligopoly that colludes and
1. Squeezes smaller players
2. Abuses the customer
3. Corrupts the government
That is the natural state of the market. Wake up! The only effective remedy is a strong government with effective regulation. Cure your government of its corporate infection, its the only thing on your side. Really!
So many blind propagandized putzes.
right. and if the usa decides to outlaw abortion, that's because bin laden attacked us on 9/11, right? that's the same logic by which you point to various cold war era events and say "therefore, everything that bad happens there is completely the fault of the west for all time"
i'm just trying to get you to see the folly of your nonsense
reailty: what happens in country {XYZ} is the responsibility of the people you live in country {XYZ}
get it?
he did 9/11. so let's now construct a creative narrative that everything bad that has happened in the USA since then is directly his fault
this is the same logic where meddling in iranian politics in the 1950s means the USA is to blame there for everything bad there since. hey, here's a crazy idea: it's 2012. maybe what happens in iran is the fault of gee, i dunno, the actual iranians who live there and what they think? pretty nutty theory huh?
am i excusing the usa for the 1950s in iran? no! if i say bin laden isn't responsible for everything bad in the usa for the next 60 years, am i excusing him for 9/11?!
try applying your mind and seeing that actual iranians have actual bad ideas all by themselves and lose your ridiculous hard on to blame everything bad in the world on the west
"Been to the driver license office lately? That will be your doctors office if we go down this path."
they don't love their healthcare in other rich industrialized nations (they all have universal healthcare), but they would not in a million years trade it for the nightmare that is the USA
governments are famous for mismanagement and bungling. and this is still better than the system we have
i don't look forward to government managed healthcare because it will be utopia, i look forward to it because it is clearly better than the nightmare system we currently have
we will pay less, live longer, and not worry about our healthcare. like every other modern industrialized nation
you think i'm afraid of bitcoin, therefore, i am afraid of bitcoin.
i think you are wearing a pink tutu. therefore, you are wearing a pink tutu
hey, thanks for the logic lesson
reproduction is immortality
no what happens is that the people such as you don't breed and those people who have no qualms having 12 kids inherit the earth
so by choosing not to breed, you extinguish your awareness and consciousness values and hand the earth over to the viral teeming masses values
well said. except for the fact that fiscal policy is an important part of a functioning modern state. therefore, any attempt to create a fiscal system that the state cannot control represents a threat to the state. especially as Bitcoin attracts the interest of illicit activities
i'm not afraid of it. why the hell would i be afraid of it? i think it is stupid. am i allowed to think Bitcoin is stupid? do i have your permission? no?
not being able to think Bitcoin is stupid is the strongest evidence for the lack of viability of Bitcoin: that so many fanboys can't and won't see that the emperor has no clothes
dude: welcome to the Internet. if you don't like what i say or the way i say it, stop reading my posts and stop responding. it is not your job to be my father. this is a thread on slashdot, not a conversation over the christmas ham with your inlaws. the only appropriate response at this point is: fuck off you condescending patronizing prick
OK, so when drug and other illicit traffickers take a deeper interest in Bitcoin, and this attracts the negative interest of actual real societies with actual real enforcement capabilities and legal rights to shut servers down, let us see how your virtual society of enthusiasts defends their currency.
One way you could do that is prevent illicit drug activities. So shut down Silk Road.
Oh right, this goes against the very libertarian "anything goes" notions that gave rise to things like Bitcoin, so not many are going to be able to maintain discipline on this point. Plus, the kind of guys who run drug cartels aren't going to care one farthing about your utopian beliefs, and have no problem getting what they want by any transgressive means possible.
"Sounds like a good thing, with sovereign societies self-destructing one by one over this debt fiasco."
Oh that's cool. So when hungry mobs are roaming the streets you can push a button and live in the Internet instead? Or maybe you already live in a missile silo. You do realize there will be nothing to buy with bitcoins when societies self-destruct, right? You do realize you won't even be able to get to your bitcoins when without society no one maintains the Internet's infrastructure, right?
So maybe you should care more about real human societies than your fanboy alternacurrency fantasy life. But that might require some social iq you seem to be lacking right now.
the small fraction of rich americans who are comfortable enough to handle all potential healthcare out of pocket are the same americans who are financially intelligent enough (if they earned their own money) that they get health insurance anyways
but the argument isn't about this tiny exotic minority. it is about the middle class and the poor. and all middle class and poor must have mandatory health insurance
otherwise, what happens is mr. young stupid poor ayn rand acolyte with no health insurance breaks his arm
he avoids the bill or declares bankruptcy
then the hospital passes the unpaid bills on to the state and feds and WE pay, with our taxes, for the moron's "choice" not to be financially responsible for his own healthcare
to "choose" not to have health insurance is to choose to be freeloading shortsighted irresponsible asshole
health insurance must be mandatory
because too many assholes think freedom means freedom from responsibility
"pirates are being pirates? ok, let's punish the people who play by the rules even more" (thereby creating more pirates)
it's just like all that crap before you get to the actual movie on a dvd. who wants to sit through that? but i pirate the movie on the web, i don't get that bullshit
hey RIAA: your legislation and your controlling ways simply makes piracy more attractive
if instead of legislating how about you eat some humble pie by admitting that the fucking Internet happened, therefore meaning you need to change your economic model. therefore, you make people less likely to want to pirate
or let companies like Apple realize this for you, and erode your power further because now they take over your distribution powers, by having financial success with what music companies should have been doing. iTunes should have been your initiative, jackasses
your move, morons. why don't you aim for your pinkie toe this time
I never understood the desire to voluntarily be a genetic and memetic dead end. The emotional and psychological benefits outweigh the costs.