their minds are scarred and they are ruined for life, they enter a death spiral of drug use and prostitution. all it takes is one glance of a boob, and the fate of your child's life will change on the spot to one of apathy, laziness, fatalism, and moribund lack of emotional affect
was necessary because of the same sort of trbial chest-thumping you find to be a delightful little joke right now. so i guess you didn't learn anything from the suffering your grandparents or great-grandparents went through in the '40s. your jokes are their shame
if you want to find a historical parallel to you current attitude towards the usa, try the attitude of germans towards french, or french towards british, or british towards spanish, etc., shortly before any one of the hundreds of mindless nationalistic tribal wars your continent seems to pretty good at generating
it never was. i'm sorry that YOU at one time thought it was
but don't hold it against me that your idealism about the usa was shattered, as i never had such idealism
if some asshole once said to you "america is the best! believe in it!" i'm sorry you got sold a bill of goods. right now, there are assholes in every country: china is the best! russia is the best! india is the best! etc., selling the same crappy merchandise. why don't you believe what they say? why don't you hold it against them that they have tribal chest thumping ultranationalists? there's tribal chest thumping ultranationalist for every nationality. why do you only hold the usa guilty for a crime every nation commits?
you should be mad at yourself for ever believing such nonsense in the first place, you should be mad at your own gullibility
you're nothing but an ex-fanboy, you've fallen out of love with my country. fine. i didn't ask you to love my country, that's your own fault
likewise, that you hate my country is your own fault too
the only valid way for you to feel about my country is completely neutral. if you feel anything else, you're the one with a problem in how you view the world you live in
the truth is often ugly and difficult for people to come to grips with. in fact, because of the cognitive dissonance, many would prefer to accept or tell themselves placid lies, rather than face an ugly truth which upsets their beliefs and point of view
the truly intellectually honest person, who is willing to challenge their beliefs, is unfortunately rare: they are investing a lot of time and energy into an endeavour with little payoff and a lot of pain. meanwhile, those who wall themselves off from truth and maintain pleasant lies have a pleasurable, effort free life
so you wind up with these people who are so closed minded, they will only live in their walled cognitive garden of placid lies, and anyone that faintly smells of ugly truth must be attacked and cast out immediately, to preserve the status quo of current belief, lest you have to face the difficult and painful task of rebuilding your belief system. propaganda outlets like fox news helps maintain that walled garden of denial for many people
but there is a huge difference between a news organization that tries to be as neutral and objective as possible, letting through only the inescapable theoretical bias, and an organization which makes no bones about its attempts to manipulate, distort, tell half-truths, and purposefully push an agenda
so no, sorry: cbs, nbc, abc are NOT the liberal counterpart to fox news. cbs, nbc, and abc are traditional fact based news sources, and are moderate
meanwhile, fox news is blatantly and purposefully right wing, and they are able to paint the traditional news sources as left leaning only because the middle is to the left of the right
it's ok for europeans to hate americans. its ok for anyone to hate the usa for any aspect of our history or national character they find repugnant. you're completely welcome, be my guest, it's a free world (or rather, it should be a free world)
but what i dislike is when americans are held accountable for crimes and weaknesses that basically every human being is guilty of. or when the atrocities of the american government are given special analysis for high holy indignation, while much worse atrocities of the same form from other governments are completely ignored, minimized, or excused, including from their own government. not that a crime committed by another government excuses the crimes of the american government. but it doesn't excuse critics of the usa to focus their high holy indignation on the usa alone, when whatever ugly game in question is played by everyone
your criticism must be intellectually honest, or your criticism isn't valid
i repeat: there is plenty about the usa to hate. but what about the usa do you hate? if your answer is that you hate the usa for what everyone does, then that merely means you are propagandized and out of touch with the reality of the world you live in
the full force of your criticism should be based on principles, and principles alone. you will find then that the targets for your criticism flwo freely all over the world, and not along the lines of geopolitical tribal entities. but if your criticisms adhere too strongly to geopolitical boundaries, where what your country does is excused, but what their country does is not, then your own attitude is part of the problem, perhaps even more that that of americans or the usa
and, btw, my words here apply equally to americans who view the usa as untouchable and squeaky clean, and some other place or country the root of all evil: the inverse of irrationally hating the usa: irrationally loving the usa, is equally wrong
but you will be met by a wall of ignorance, hysteria, fear, hyperbole, and propaganda
which is fine. life is raw. i would prefer ugly truths to placid lies, which the laws in other countries apparently prefer
the alternative: forbidding people to talk about controversy, is that superior? i don't think so
as the top poster said, i am quite enamored with the usa's right to free speech
but what i don't like currently in the usa though is this melding of opinion and "news" organization, such as with fox news. currently in the usa we are drowning under a flood of misinformation and lies
in other words, i think it is ok to have any opinion you want. but what i don't think is ok is to tell people lies and present it to people as facts, which is what "news" organizations like fox do
what i would like to see is a law somewhere along the lines of "enjoy your free speech, just don't present yourself as an authority on something when you clearly are not an authority, just a bought and paid for huckster"
i am of the people, for the people. i want the policies that are best for them
your packaged response would be: "you don't speak for me"
fine, i won't speak for the wackjob fringe
then this is where you either:
1. assert your policies. thereby speaking for the people. thereby being a complete hypocrite of committing the same crime you accuse me of
2. assert no one should speak for anyone. as if this is possible in a society. if you wish to not be a part of society, then fine: fuck off, go away, shut up, and let those who actually care about society care for society
fact #1: all news is biased. it is impossible to scrub the bias out of any news story ever published, or ever will be published, as long as the news is reported by human beings
fact #2: a blatant piece of propaganda is ENORMOUSLY biased. in comparison to trying to hew to neutrality as much as possible. that will get you close to actual neutrality, that anyone with sufficient brainpower will understand the truth and the facts as they are. this is in obvious contrast to propaganda news sources which actually as their goal is to distort and tell half-truths and lie
therefore, the THEORETICAL limits of impartiality in no way means reputable fact-based is journalism is anything remotely comparable to the proudly and openly lying propaganda that some assholes try to pass off as news today, and others actually believe to be equally valid to reputable news sources, for lack of sufficient brain wattage
not because you are right leaning, but because you reject truth, you reject OBVIOUSLY NEUTRAL NEWS SOURCES in favor of OBVIOUSLY BIASED OPINION
show me a left leaning person who professes the same stupidity, and i will say the same thing about them!
because the problem, son, is not being conservative, or liberal
in fact, i would WELCOME an intellectually honest conversation with an honest open minded intelligent conservative, FOR ONCE
but they seem to all be dead. they seemed to have been taken over by the bleacher creatures, cretins like yourself who OPENLY and WITHOUT SHAME, as a mark of PRIDE (amazing!), trumpet the fact that they PREFER rumor, innuendo, and outright deceit... over neutral news sources
incredible. stunning. very sad for the country i love
intelligent conservativism is dead. long bleat the sheep: biased, and PROUD OF IT
incredible! i still cant' get over how proud you are of your self-professed ignorant
you actually believe your closed minded, walled off garden of bias, is a source of strength
1. yes, at that point people will wake up. when there's no more middle class and we have become haiti. i'd rather prefer we not become haiti just to teach propagandized low iq conservative sheep a lesson
2. high speed trading IS theft, it is manipulation of the marketplace (libertarians somehow believe a market left to its own devices will be free and fair, when the truth is, you need the government to police the hell out of it or the big players will abuse the little ones). but the problem is easy to solve: just put a "heartbeat" in the marketplace: every second, or 3 seconds, or whatever, trades go forth. they do not occur in between those heartbeats. they queue in line, until the next tick of clock, and then they go forth. in this way, no one can trade faster than anyone else
and we all know what socialism is: a bad scary word
europeans practice socialism, and we all know it is historically because of nazis and communists, and europeans don't appreciate how we single handedly won world war ii for them
the next time i pass a man dying in the street, i am sure to smile and say that i will be giving him no aid, so he can die in peace knowing he wasn't tainted by the evil socialist impulse to help your neighbor: that's anti-christian too! everyone must be self-reliant all the time. because the moment we give the slightest aid to someone in need, that is a slippery unstoppable slope to absolute communism!
the real american way is to not care about the welfare of your fellow americans, to the point you impoverish your society, and therefore, eventually impoverish yourself (tears, sniffle)
your statement tells me a lot about your psychology, but little to do with reality. of course corruption exists. that it controls me or that it is insurmountable is not true. however, if corruption is ever going to succeed in this world, it needs the complicity of people like you: those who won't fight it, but simply accept it. so the more people who think like you, the more corruption there is: you are an accessory to the crime in your lack of action and lack of resistance
so congratulations on having the psychology of a slave. but i'm sorry, i'm not a slave, so i'll be fighting that corruption, and i'll be rejecting your helpless hopeless self-fulfilling defeatism. your psychology defines the parameters of how your life will suck, but not mine
the united states government is composed of the will of the people. to some extent (but not the whole way, and not insurmountably), that isn't true, such as with corporate money rousing conservative rabble with faux news propaganda. and to that extent that the us government, defined to represent the will of the people, fails that definition and fails to represent the will of the people... well, to me, that is merely the extent to which we have some pus filled pimples to pop
i am not an ignorant idealist: corruption will never go away completely, and corruption will always grow back like the fungus it is. the simple truth is that it is a constant clean up process, that will never end, and will go on forever. no one truly wise understands this problem in any other way. cleaning up corruption is merely an ongoing maintenance function, like taking out the garbage every week. it shouldn't scare you, it shouldn't depress you. it is merely a fact of life you accept and constantly guard against, and always will. there exists no utopia where corruption does not exist, and no utopia, composed of human beings, can ever be founded that would be free of corruption. it is what it is. accept its existence, but never stop cleaning it up. the best you can do minimize it, but it is far worse to stop fighting it, and let it grow and do more injustice and damage
so pick a broom and join me in cleaning things up, or shut the fuck up, you useless ignorant mindlessly negative piece of shit
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their minds are scarred and they are ruined for life, they enter a death spiral of drug use and prostitution. all it takes is one glance of a boob, and the fate of your child's life will change on the spot to one of apathy, laziness, fatalism, and moribund lack of emotional affect
was necessary because of the same sort of trbial chest-thumping you find to be a delightful little joke right now. so i guess you didn't learn anything from the suffering your grandparents or great-grandparents went through in the '40s. your jokes are their shame
if you want to find a historical parallel to you current attitude towards the usa, try the attitude of germans towards french, or french towards british, or british towards spanish, etc., shortly before any one of the hundreds of mindless nationalistic tribal wars your continent seems to pretty good at generating
frankly, your attitude is the problem
do you want to try being intellectually honest?
or is it that you replace intellectual honesty in your life with bumper sticker slogans?
which makes sense... the low iq need simple minded slogans to chant to feel motivated
here let me help:
DISMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!
FREE(tobe)DUMB!
it never was. i'm sorry that YOU at one time thought it was
but don't hold it against me that your idealism about the usa was shattered, as i never had such idealism
if some asshole once said to you "america is the best! believe in it!" i'm sorry you got sold a bill of goods. right now, there are assholes in every country: china is the best! russia is the best! india is the best! etc., selling the same crappy merchandise. why don't you believe what they say? why don't you hold it against them that they have tribal chest thumping ultranationalists? there's tribal chest thumping ultranationalist for every nationality. why do you only hold the usa guilty for a crime every nation commits?
you should be mad at yourself for ever believing such nonsense in the first place, you should be mad at your own gullibility
you're nothing but an ex-fanboy, you've fallen out of love with my country. fine. i didn't ask you to love my country, that's your own fault
likewise, that you hate my country is your own fault too
the only valid way for you to feel about my country is completely neutral. if you feel anything else, you're the one with a problem in how you view the world you live in
the truth is often ugly and difficult for people to come to grips with. in fact, because of the cognitive dissonance, many would prefer to accept or tell themselves placid lies, rather than face an ugly truth which upsets their beliefs and point of view
the truly intellectually honest person, who is willing to challenge their beliefs, is unfortunately rare: they are investing a lot of time and energy into an endeavour with little payoff and a lot of pain. meanwhile, those who wall themselves off from truth and maintain pleasant lies have a pleasurable, effort free life
so you wind up with these people who are so closed minded, they will only live in their walled cognitive garden of placid lies, and anyone that faintly smells of ugly truth must be attacked and cast out immediately, to preserve the status quo of current belief, lest you have to face the difficult and painful task of rebuilding your belief system. propaganda outlets like fox news helps maintain that walled garden of denial for many people
true
but there is a huge difference between a news organization that tries to be as neutral and objective as possible, letting through only the inescapable theoretical bias, and an organization which makes no bones about its attempts to manipulate, distort, tell half-truths, and purposefully push an agenda
so no, sorry: cbs, nbc, abc are NOT the liberal counterpart to fox news. cbs, nbc, and abc are traditional fact based news sources, and are moderate
meanwhile, fox news is blatantly and purposefully right wing, and they are able to paint the traditional news sources as left leaning only because the middle is to the left of the right
it's ok for europeans to hate americans. its ok for anyone to hate the usa for any aspect of our history or national character they find repugnant. you're completely welcome, be my guest, it's a free world (or rather, it should be a free world)
but what i dislike is when americans are held accountable for crimes and weaknesses that basically every human being is guilty of. or when the atrocities of the american government are given special analysis for high holy indignation, while much worse atrocities of the same form from other governments are completely ignored, minimized, or excused, including from their own government. not that a crime committed by another government excuses the crimes of the american government. but it doesn't excuse critics of the usa to focus their high holy indignation on the usa alone, when whatever ugly game in question is played by everyone
your criticism must be intellectually honest, or your criticism isn't valid
i repeat: there is plenty about the usa to hate. but what about the usa do you hate? if your answer is that you hate the usa for what everyone does, then that merely means you are propagandized and out of touch with the reality of the world you live in
the full force of your criticism should be based on principles, and principles alone. you will find then that the targets for your criticism flwo freely all over the world, and not along the lines of geopolitical tribal entities. but if your criticisms adhere too strongly to geopolitical boundaries, where what your country does is excused, but what their country does is not, then your own attitude is part of the problem, perhaps even more that that of americans or the usa
and, btw, my words here apply equally to americans who view the usa as untouchable and squeaky clean, and some other place or country the root of all evil: the inverse of irrationally hating the usa: irrationally loving the usa, is equally wrong
but you will be met by a wall of ignorance, hysteria, fear, hyperbole, and propaganda
which is fine. life is raw. i would prefer ugly truths to placid lies, which the laws in other countries apparently prefer
the alternative: forbidding people to talk about controversy, is that superior? i don't think so
as the top poster said, i am quite enamored with the usa's right to free speech
but what i don't like currently in the usa though is this melding of opinion and "news" organization, such as with fox news. currently in the usa we are drowning under a flood of misinformation and lies
in other words, i think it is ok to have any opinion you want. but what i don't think is ok is to tell people lies and present it to people as facts, which is what "news" organizations like fox do
what i would like to see is a law somewhere along the lines of "enjoy your free speech, just don't present yourself as an authority on something when you clearly are not an authority, just a bought and paid for huckster"
to the irresistible force paradox
"what happens when an unstoppable force hits an immovable object?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irresistible_force_paradox
i am of the people, for the people. i want the policies that are best for them
your packaged response would be: "you don't speak for me"
fine, i won't speak for the wackjob fringe
then this is where you either:
1. assert your policies. thereby speaking for the people. thereby being a complete hypocrite of committing the same crime you accuse me of
2. assert no one should speak for anyone. as if this is possible in a society. if you wish to not be a part of society, then fine: fuck off, go away, shut up, and let those who actually care about society care for society
is anyone listening?
will we get banishment of this manipulation of the market by its largest players?
we need regulations here
intelligent conservatism has died
in its wake, these boorish bleacher creatures, without honesty and without intelligence
they somehow believe cheering for their team is more important than fact-based examination of the issues
their minds are closed, their mouths are wide open, and this country will suffer for their loud low iq zombiehood
fact #1: all news is biased. it is impossible to scrub the bias out of any news story ever published, or ever will be published, as long as the news is reported by human beings
fact #2: a blatant piece of propaganda is ENORMOUSLY biased. in comparison to trying to hew to neutrality as much as possible. that will get you close to actual neutrality, that anyone with sufficient brainpower will understand the truth and the facts as they are. this is in obvious contrast to propaganda news sources which actually as their goal is to distort and tell half-truths and lie
therefore, the THEORETICAL limits of impartiality in no way means reputable fact-based is journalism is anything remotely comparable to the proudly and openly lying propaganda that some assholes try to pass off as news today, and others actually believe to be equally valid to reputable news sources, for lack of sufficient brain wattage
it describes how republicans voted
its not an opinion
its a fact
here's a protip for you: facts actually still exist in this world. and 2,000 bluster-filled blatantly partisan blogs don't dispute the facts
has no relevance"
do i laugh?
or do i cry?
sir: you are the downfall of this country
not because you are right leaning, but because you reject truth, you reject OBVIOUSLY NEUTRAL NEWS SOURCES in favor of OBVIOUSLY BIASED OPINION
show me a left leaning person who professes the same stupidity, and i will say the same thing about them!
because the problem, son, is not being conservative, or liberal
in fact, i would WELCOME an intellectually honest conversation with an honest open minded intelligent conservative, FOR ONCE
but they seem to all be dead. they seemed to have been taken over by the bleacher creatures, cretins like yourself who OPENLY and WITHOUT SHAME, as a mark of PRIDE (amazing!), trumpet the fact that they PREFER rumor, innuendo, and outright deceit... over neutral news sources
incredible. stunning. very sad for the country i love
intelligent conservativism is dead. long bleat the sheep: biased, and PROUD OF IT
incredible! i still cant' get over how proud you are of your self-professed ignorant
you actually believe your closed minded, walled off garden of bias, is a source of strength
WOW
how does one deal with such zombified people?
1. yes, at that point people will wake up. when there's no more middle class and we have become haiti. i'd rather prefer we not become haiti just to teach propagandized low iq conservative sheep a lesson
2. high speed trading IS theft, it is manipulation of the marketplace (libertarians somehow believe a market left to its own devices will be free and fair, when the truth is, you need the government to police the hell out of it or the big players will abuse the little ones). but the problem is easy to solve: just put a "heartbeat" in the marketplace: every second, or 3 seconds, or whatever, trades go forth. they do not occur in between those heartbeats. they queue in line, until the next tick of clock, and then they go forth. in this way, no one can trade faster than anyone else
for regurgitating your propaganda
do you have a point?
if so, say it, in a 2-3 sentences
or fuck off
which is a reputable news source
and you think i should read this?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_of_Spades_HQ
an overtly partisan blog?
and this is supposed to convince of me anything other than that you are trying very, very hard to be the stereotypical conservative sheep?
son: you are a dictionary worthy portrait of absolute brain washed propagandization and completely blindness
you honestly think a PARTISAN BLOG is a worthy retort to REAL WORLD FACTS?
stunning. sad
the great march of the morons
and we all know what socialism is: a bad scary word
europeans practice socialism, and we all know it is historically because of nazis and communists, and europeans don't appreciate how we single handedly won world war ii for them
the next time i pass a man dying in the street, i am sure to smile and say that i will be giving him no aid, so he can die in peace knowing he wasn't tainted by the evil socialist impulse to help your neighbor: that's anti-christian too! everyone must be self-reliant all the time. because the moment we give the slightest aid to someone in need, that is a slippery unstoppable slope to absolute communism!
the real american way is to not care about the welfare of your fellow americans, to the point you impoverish your society, and therefore, eventually impoverish yourself (tears, sniffle)
down with the middle class!
(sparkly bald eagle holding flag gif)
DISMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!
FREE(to be)DUMB!
i'm not clicking that
(thank you slashdot, for overtly publishing link domains)
kindly point me to a reputable news source
your statement tells me a lot about your psychology, but little to do with reality. of course corruption exists. that it controls me or that it is insurmountable is not true. however, if corruption is ever going to succeed in this world, it needs the complicity of people like you: those who won't fight it, but simply accept it. so the more people who think like you, the more corruption there is: you are an accessory to the crime in your lack of action and lack of resistance
so congratulations on having the psychology of a slave. but i'm sorry, i'm not a slave, so i'll be fighting that corruption, and i'll be rejecting your helpless hopeless self-fulfilling defeatism. your psychology defines the parameters of how your life will suck, but not mine
the united states government is composed of the will of the people. to some extent (but not the whole way, and not insurmountably), that isn't true, such as with corporate money rousing conservative rabble with faux news propaganda. and to that extent that the us government, defined to represent the will of the people, fails that definition and fails to represent the will of the people... well, to me, that is merely the extent to which we have some pus filled pimples to pop
i am not an ignorant idealist: corruption will never go away completely, and corruption will always grow back like the fungus it is. the simple truth is that it is a constant clean up process, that will never end, and will go on forever. no one truly wise understands this problem in any other way. cleaning up corruption is merely an ongoing maintenance function, like taking out the garbage every week. it shouldn't scare you, it shouldn't depress you. it is merely a fact of life you accept and constantly guard against, and always will. there exists no utopia where corruption does not exist, and no utopia, composed of human beings, can ever be founded that would be free of corruption. it is what it is. accept its existence, but never stop cleaning it up. the best you can do minimize it, but it is far worse to stop fighting it, and let it grow and do more injustice and damage
so pick a broom and join me in cleaning things up, or shut the fuck up, you useless ignorant mindlessly negative piece of shit
hilarious, thanks for that, never saw that before ;-)
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/07/28/senate_republicans_thwart_campaign_spending_bill/
why don't you understand how you are being used by the rich moneyed classes and corporate interests?
if you ARE rich and moneyed or a corporate interest, congratulations on your successful manipulation of your larger herd of sheep
here's a youtube clip of the original hemp car, in 1941
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rgDyEO_8cI
among other hemp facts:
ford and diesel intended their cars to run on hemp oil
jefferson drafted the declaration of independence on hemp paper
much of the founding fathers grew hemp or processed it
read more:
http://naihc.org/hemp_information/hemp_facts.html