this is so ignorantly patronizing and condescending i have to wonder at your basic social skills. kind of like the guy who would say some women like rape or some people accept murder as a valid response for bumping their car in the parking lot. yeah, actually, you are correct in that you can find a complete pathetic fuck somewhere that, for example, likes cannibalism, or rationalizes pedophilia as acceptable. of course there are fringe shitbags everywhere
but no *society*, ever, likes the idea of some douchebag ripping them off because they are well connected. nowhere. never
for you to believe otherwise makes me instantly lose respect for you. i seriously doubt your basic faculties, to even think that is possible puts in the realm of genuinely low iq, objectively
culture has nothing to do with it. we're talking about laws. you think one culture accepts corruption and another doesn't? no society likes corruption, anywhere, ever
Seriously though, I gave you a simple task, a problem that exists with corruption today, to see you could stop it. You couldn't.
i did. you are either too stupid to see it or too intellectually dishonest to admit it
is your superior solution we just accept corruption? seriously: you criticize the braindead obvious solution i put forth, ok: what's your magic solution?
you never get 100% perfection, and you need constant effort to maintain a low amount of corruption
outlawing murder doesn't mean murder goes away. it will always exist. it takes constant hard effort to minimize murder and capture murderers. that is the best deal as you ever get in this world. and it is 9,000x better than just accepting murder and doing nothing about it, and being plagued with constant murders everywhere
the perfect is not the enemy of the good. if your standard is expecting perfection before you act, you will never act, and you will live in a world far worse than just working constantly to minimizing crime, never achieving 100%, but doing pretty damn well nonetheless
there is corruption everywhere, and there always will be. the point is to minimize it. are you saying because we can't get 0% corruption we shouldn't try?
there is murder in tegucigalpa, and murder in stockholm. there is hell of a lot less in stockholm. because they have laws, and they enforce the laws
do you understand that?
you will never have 0% corruption, and if you hold that as your standard before you act, you are, indeed, a raging moron. the perfect is not the enemy of the good
what we will do is pass laws against corruption, and enforce them. if they find loopholes, we close the loopholes, rinse, repeat
that is as good a fucking a deal as you get in this life genius
and it is 9,000x better than the status quo of legalized corruption
there are countries with stronger anticorruption laws that are happier, richer, the people are more socially mobile. the nordic countries. canada. they actually make laws against the crap we tolerate here for some reason, and enforce them. that's what actually works in this world you blind asshole
it's not impossible to solve. the rules are easy and straightforward, other countries implement them and enforce them and enjoy far less corruption
the problem is there is no will to change the rules because the congresscritters are all paid off and the citizens are apathetic. if we can reverse that apathy, we have a chance
democrats and republicans play this game. it is a sick game and it needs to end
are you telling me you are for corruption because clinton does it?
republicans should be allowed to do evil things because clintons do evil things?
"democratsmurdered somebody so republicans should be able to murder someone"
is that morality in your mind? two wrongs make a right?
the bullshit partisan nature of politics makes people so stupid they will cut out their own eye because the other side said they shouldn't
what are your morals? what are you principles? fuck the tribal partisan bullshit
it's like the morons who go "al gore rides a jet plane that pollutes, therefore he's a hypocrite, therefore all climate change is not real and should not be opposed"
the usa has a poisonous moronic partisan atmosphere that keeps things the way they are: corrupt
i want to stop corruption, and instead of support from you, i get moronic attacks on clinton. you are the reason we have our problems. your vindictive hate is stronger in you than any intelligence in you to help your own damn self. this is how they control, divide and conquer, keep you poor and angry and dumb
fuck the democrats. fuck the republicans. what do YOU want for YOURSELF you propagandized motherfucker?
it won't be 100% foolproof, but corruption will be reduced. you can never get rid of corruption 100%, but that doesn't mean we should accept a state of legalized out in the open corruption that is far worse
serious anticorruption laws with a few small loopholes we can continue to close and fight is a far far happier, richer, more socially mobile and simply better country
if there is less government what the fuck do you think the plutocrats do? they simply start instituting policies and enforcing them on their own. then you don't even have a fake corrupt government to redress your grievances, you simply are a slave with no rights at all
this is not science fiction. this is historical fact:
Pinkerton's agents performed services ranging from security guarding to private military contracting work. Pinkerton was the largest private law enforcement organization in the world at the height of its power.[3] By the early 1890s, the Pinkerton National Detective Agency employed more agents than there were members of the standing army of the United States of America.
During the labor strikes of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, businessmen hired the Pinkerton Agency to infiltrate unions, supply guards, keep strikers and suspected unionists out of factories, as well as recruiting goon squads to intimidate workers. One such confrontation was the Homestead Strike of 1892, in which Pinkerton agents were called in to reinforce the strikebreaking measures of industrialist Henry Clay Frick, acting on behalf of Andrew Carnegie.[citation needed] The ensuing battle between Pinkerton agents and striking workers led to the deaths of seven Pinkerton agents and nine steelworkers.[4] The Pinkertons were also used as guards in coal, iron, and lumber disputes in Illinois, Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia as well as the Great Railroad Strike of 1877 and the Battle of Blair Mountain in 1921. The organization was pejoratively called the "Pinks" by its opponents.
idiots like you help those who are raping you, by listening to their lies and blaming the only thing you have left to fight them: your government. if morons like you get your way, we are all raped 10x worse. you want to FIX your government. make it stronger and less corrupt. if you reduce it, it simply stays corrupt and plutocrats can rape us all even more
whatever counterweight do you have to plutocrats? you're going to shoot it out with them in the woods? then enjoy your short life, stupid douchebag
instead, why don't you try educating yourself and finding out what you really need to improve your life. step #1: stop believing lies and propaganda intended to keep you dumb and powerless
if we have less government, that's simply less people for the plutocrats to bribe, and their power is extended
weaken government and plutocrats are not weakened, they are strengthened and emboldened
libertarianism is extremely naive and uneducated as to history. you need a strong government to counterbalance the plutocrats. you do that with strong anticorruption laws
the problem with our current government is we have a corrupt government. you don't solve that be weakening government, you solve that with strong anticorruption laws, make regulators and regulations actually regulate corporations, rather than simply be controlled by the very corporations they are supposed to regulate, the bullshit corrupt status quo we have now
the nordic countries and canada have more government than us and far less corruption. the people are happier, more socially mobile, and pay far less for healthcare and education
the problem is we want effective laws against corruption. yes: more government -> more government corruption is true as long as the usa does not effective laws against corruption. 2010's citizens united for example simply boldly stated legalized corruption is the way. we must reverse that and install many other anti-corruption laws and only then do we have fairness
but less government and less regulation does not lead to less corruption, it simply means the plutocrats have less people they need to bribe to get what they want. that only helps them
morons who want to weaken or destroy our government are only helping the plutocrats. the power they have over you does not disappear when you weaken or destroy the government, all you do is give them a smaller roster of people to pay off
the problem is not government
the problem is the plutocrats who buy congresswhores and fake regulators
you want to FIX government, not destroy it. cure it of its corruption
if you have less government, less regulation, the power the plutocrats have over you does not disappear. they simply have less people they have to bribe. then they start hiring their own goon squads and turn you into slaves
that's not science fiction, that's well establish american history:
Pinkerton's agents performed services ranging from security guarding to private military contracting work. Pinkerton was the largest private law enforcement organization in the world at the height of its power.[3] By the early 1890s, the Pinkerton National Detective Agency employed more agents than there were members of the standing army of the United States of America.
During the labor strikes of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, businessmen hired the Pinkerton Agency to infiltrate unions, supply guards, keep strikers and suspected unionists out of factories, as well as recruiting goon squads to intimidate workers. One such confrontation was the Homestead Strike of 1892, in which Pinkerton agents were called in to reinforce the strikebreaking measures of industrialist Henry Clay Frick, acting on behalf of Andrew Carnegie.[citation needed] The ensuing battle between Pinkerton agents and striking workers led to the deaths of seven Pinkerton agents and nine steelworkers.[4] The Pinkertons were also used as guards in coal, iron, and lumber disputes in Illinois, Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia as well as the Great Railroad Strike of 1877 and the Battle of Blair Mountain in 1921. The organization was pejoratively called the "Pinks" by its opponents.
we defeated them with labor movements and unions. but, like you said, since reagan the unions have been broken up. scott walker is killing the last of them. and now the plutocrats are back in charge
now we have to fight the fight of our great grandfathers, all over again
the problem is legalized corruption in the usa. we need REGULATION. actual regulation, not corrupt regulation controlled by the people who are supposed to be regulated
of course that's not perfect, but it is 9,000x better than no regulation and less government
look to canada, the nordic countries: places where they actually have effective government, actual laws that control corruption. and where the people are happier, more socially mobile, and spend far less on healthcare and education than we do
in the usa we have a supreme court who in 2010 said "money is speech" and so the rich now have the only real effective speech in the usa. probably the most anti-american and destructive event in the history of the usa. not the war of 1812, not the civil war, not pearl harbor, not 911: the most anti-american event in the history of this country was 2010's citizens united
you want to strengthen your government, and have strong anti-corruption laws passed
that's the only power you really have: your government. YOUR government, not the corrupted piece of shit we currently have. fight to get it back
fix it, don't destroy it (morons who dream of shooting it out in the woods a la the second amendment and revolution are simply dead people waking: you don't have the numbers nor the firepower, and revolutions are far far worse than our current problems regardless)
The allegations are that users from/r/fatpeoplehate[9] were regularly going outside their subreddit and harassing people in other subreddits or even other internet communities (including allegedly poaching pics from/r/keto and harassing the redditor(s) involved[10] and harassment of specific employees of imgur.com[11] , as well as other similar transgressions.
Important quote from the post:
We will ban subreddits that allow their communities to use the subreddit as a platform to harass individuals when moderators don’t take action. We’re banning behavior, not ideas.[12]
To paraphrase: As long as you can keep it 100% confined within the subreddit, anything within legal bounds still goes. As soon as content/discussion/'politics' of the subreddit extend out to other users on reddit, communities, or people on other social media platforms with the intent to harass, harangue, hassle, shame, berate, bemoan, or just plain fuck with, that's when there's problems. FPH et al. was apparently struggling with this part.
this little exchange sums up the problem with american politics (or politics anywhere i suppose). people don't know shit, they are propagandized and lied to, they never bother to investigate themselves, they simply accept whatever is handed to them, then they shriek and spout uninformed ignorant opinions with great authority
The allegations are that users from/r/fatpeoplehate[9] were regularly going outside their subreddit and harassing people in other subreddits or even other internet communities (including allegedly poaching pics from/r/keto and harassing the redditor(s) involved[10] and harassment of specific employees of imgur.com[11] , as well as other similar transgressions.
Important quote from the post:
We will ban subreddits that allow their communities to use the subreddit as a platform to harass individuals when moderators don’t take action. We’re banning behavior, not ideas.[12]
To paraphrase: As long as you can keep it 100% confined within the subreddit, anything within legal bounds still goes. As soon as content/discussion/'politics' of the subreddit extend out to other users on reddit, communities, or people on other social media platforms with the intent to harass, harangue, hassle, shame, berate, bemoan, or just plain fuck with, that's when there's problems. FPH et al. was apparently struggling with this part.
just a note: it's not my responsibility to educate you as to the basics of the topic at hand, even though i have just done so, that's me being generous
it's your responsibility, no one else, to educate yourself as to topics you comment on, BEFORE you comment. why do you assume other commentors here are automatically correct, without attribution, while i am automatically wrong? that just speaks to your prejudice
if you see two conflicting depictions of events, go research it yourself
this applies to all topics in life: what's happening in ukraine, what obamacare actually means, who broke the cookie jar in your kitchen: if you just go with your assumptions and prejudices and trust a random voice in the room without verification, you've failed yourself. you are open to being lied to and deceived easily
educate yourself. research yourself. don't depend on others to hand you opinions on a silver platter. you will simply be a misinformed, propagandized idiot in life
there are double standards and hypocrisy. not out of malice, but probably out of simply not paying attention
if and where other subs have engaged in doxxing only in the past, like SRS, before the policy was announced
or if and where other subs still do it, but on a smaller scale
but then the solution is to ban those subs as well
not let fatpeoplehate get away with abusive behavior
"hey i heard about a guy who murdered someone once, so this guy should be able to get away with murder too"... that's not actually how morality or the real world works
two wrongs don't make a right
even if you can show me some sub that does nothing but doxx all day, it's existence does not mean fatpeoplehate should get away with abuse. in a truly fair and moral world, fatpeoplehate AND the other sub would be banned. not one or the other, not neither
and perhaps those subs will be banned shortly if they really deserve to be
why don't you complain to reddit admins and show the doxxing in those subs and get them banned?
SRS engaged in doxxing only in the past, before the policy was announced
but even if that is not ok to you, then the solution is to ban SRS as well, not let fatpeoplehate get away with abusive behavior
"hey i heard about a guy who murdered someone once, so this guy should be able to get away with murder too"... that's not actually how morality nor the real world works
sure, you could say there are double standards and hypocrisy
if and where other subs have engaged in doxxing only in the past, like SRS, before the policy was announced
or if and where other subs still do it, but on a smaller scale
but then the solution is to ban those subs as well
not let fatpeoplehate get away with abusive behavior
"hey i heard about a guy who murdered someone once, so this guy should be able to get away with murder too"... that's not actually how morality or the real world works
if there were a bulletin board in chicago where people would post names of people to stab, yes, the bulletin board would be culpable and would be removed
that's an actually valid analogy, unlike the crap you wrote
This is going to lead to false flag activism. Sign up to a subreddit. Doxx and harrass people on it. Get that subreddit banned
i can frame someone for murder
therefore, we should never pursue justice against murderers?
that people can abuse a justice system is not a valid argument against the existence of a justice system. the search for justice is a human endeavour, and prone to error, incompleteness, and malicious manipulation. and yet no justice system at all is 10,000x worse
free speech means the government cannot censor your views
free speech does not mean the local newspaper is compelled to publish your hateful letter to the editor
a private entity has every right to curate its content any way it sees fit. it may reject any content it wants, and that is perfectly 100% logically coherent with the notion of free speech: the government, or another individual, has no right to force someone else to say something they don't want to say. nowhere in the concept of free speech is there the concept that reddit *has* to publish something. reddit can be as capricious, hypocritical, random, or vindictive as it wants in censoring any content it wants. it is their website
of course, if their policies are bullshit, they may turn people off, and some other site will take off and reddit will drop in popularity. and that's perfectly ok. and that new site, they too can censor whatever they want. and no free speech violation has occurred
if you hate fat people, for example, and your angry hate against fat people is rejected from any website, then indeed, start your fucking website. and if you think that sucks because now you're lonely on that mountaintop because very few people visit your site, well too fucking bad: maybe no one visits because you're a hateful piece of shit
another thing about free speech is nowhere in the concept is it required that anyone listen to you
no where is it required that no one criticize you
and no where is it required that no consequences will come to your life (your job, your reputation, etc.) for saying hateful things
say whatever you want
but be fucking ready for the consequences. loneliness is certainly one of the possible consequences, and maybe, if you're a hateful asshole, you deserve it
they might still do that, and they should. transparency
but the events that led to the banning are pretty well established:
imgur started removing fatpeoplehate images and in response the reddit sub posted pictures of (chubby) imgur staff and a thread topic about harassing them and identifying specific imgur personnel exploded
you can argue about imgur's removal of fatpeoplehate images as censorship, but you cannot call reddit's actions censorship, as removing threats and harassment against specific people is not logically the same as censorship
you could say there are double standards if and where other subs have engaged in doxxing in the past, or if and where other subs still do it, but on a smaller scale. but then the solution is to ban those subs as well, not let fatpeoplehate get away with abusive behavior
fatpeoplehate got shut down for brigading and doxxing, not simple hate
imgur started removing fatpeoplehate images and in response the reddit sub posted pictures of (chubby) imgur staff and a thread topic about harassing them and identifying specific imgur personnel exploded
you can argue about imgur's removal of fatpeoplehate images as censorship, but you cannot call reddit's actions censorship, as removing threats and harassment is not logically the same as censorship
you could say there are double standards if and where other subs have engaged in doxxing in the past, or if and where other subs still do it, but on a smaller scale. but then the solution is to ban those subs as well, not let fatpeoplehate get away with abusive behavior
there are still plenty of repugnant and hateful subs on reddit that are not shut down. because they aren't doxxing
if voat is going to accept brigading and doxxing, then voat is going to get sued and shut down when, not if, someone gets hurt in real life because of ignorant internet hate
reddit did the right thing, as a matter of simple morality, and as a matter of self preservation in the face of legal standards
if you harass and threaten someone specifically, you're not engaging in free speech anymore, and you, and the forum you are doing it on, are culpable for any harm stemming from that. freedom of speech is not limitless. it is no longer free speech when you threaten specific people
any comment or discussion here about censoring hate is inaccurate
any comment or discussion here about preventing harassment and threats is on topic
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this is so ignorantly patronizing and condescending i have to wonder at your basic social skills. kind of like the guy who would say some women like rape or some people accept murder as a valid response for bumping their car in the parking lot. yeah, actually, you are correct in that you can find a complete pathetic fuck somewhere that, for example, likes cannibalism, or rationalizes pedophilia as acceptable. of course there are fringe shitbags everywhere
but no *society*, ever, likes the idea of some douchebag ripping them off because they are well connected. nowhere. never
for you to believe otherwise makes me instantly lose respect for you. i seriously doubt your basic faculties, to even think that is possible puts in the realm of genuinely low iq, objectively
culture has nothing to do with it. we're talking about laws. you think one culture accepts corruption and another doesn't? no society likes corruption, anywhere, ever
i did. you are either too stupid to see it or too intellectually dishonest to admit it
is your superior solution we just accept corruption? seriously: you criticize the braindead obvious solution i put forth, ok: what's your magic solution?
you never get 100% perfection, and you need constant effort to maintain a low amount of corruption
outlawing murder doesn't mean murder goes away. it will always exist. it takes constant hard effort to minimize murder and capture murderers. that is the best deal as you ever get in this world. and it is 9,000x better than just accepting murder and doing nothing about it, and being plagued with constant murders everywhere
the perfect is not the enemy of the good. if your standard is expecting perfection before you act, you will never act, and you will live in a world far worse than just working constantly to minimizing crime, never achieving 100%, but doing pretty damn well nonetheless
there is corruption everywhere, and there always will be. the point is to minimize it. are you saying because we can't get 0% corruption we shouldn't try?
there is murder in tegucigalpa, and murder in stockholm. there is hell of a lot less in stockholm. because they have laws, and they enforce the laws
do you understand that?
you will never have 0% corruption, and if you hold that as your standard before you act, you are, indeed, a raging moron. the perfect is not the enemy of the good
what we will do is pass laws against corruption, and enforce them. if they find loopholes, we close the loopholes, rinse, repeat
that is as good a fucking a deal as you get in this life genius
and it is 9,000x better than the status quo of legalized corruption
there are countries with stronger anticorruption laws that are happier, richer, the people are more socially mobile. the nordic countries. canada. they actually make laws against the crap we tolerate here for some reason, and enforce them. that's what actually works in this world you blind asshole
"no outside money in elections, elections paid for by a fund equally split"
"no hiring anyone for regulatory positions from the companies they regulate, no hiring of people who used to be regulators"
this is not complicated nor hard to figure out you moronic jackass
other countries do this. much less corruption and a government that works. canada, the nordic countries
you need me to spoonfeed you the fucking obvious? you're that fucking stupid you can't figure out the very simple easy rules?
it's not impossible to solve. the rules are easy and straightforward, other countries implement them and enforce them and enjoy far less corruption
the problem is there is no will to change the rules because the congresscritters are all paid off and the citizens are apathetic. if we can reverse that apathy, we have a chance
democrats and republicans play this game. it is a sick game and it needs to end
are you telling me you are for corruption because clinton does it?
republicans should be allowed to do evil things because clintons do evil things?
"democratsmurdered somebody so republicans should be able to murder someone"
is that morality in your mind? two wrongs make a right?
the bullshit partisan nature of politics makes people so stupid they will cut out their own eye because the other side said they shouldn't
what are your morals? what are you principles? fuck the tribal partisan bullshit
it's like the morons who go "al gore rides a jet plane that pollutes, therefore he's a hypocrite, therefore all climate change is not real and should not be opposed"
the usa has a poisonous moronic partisan atmosphere that keeps things the way they are: corrupt
i want to stop corruption, and instead of support from you, i get moronic attacks on clinton. you are the reason we have our problems. your vindictive hate is stronger in you than any intelligence in you to help your own damn self. this is how they control, divide and conquer, keep you poor and angry and dumb
fuck the democrats. fuck the republicans. what do YOU want for YOURSELF you propagandized motherfucker?
it won't be 100% foolproof, but corruption will be reduced. you can never get rid of corruption 100%, but that doesn't mean we should accept a state of legalized out in the open corruption that is far worse
serious anticorruption laws with a few small loopholes we can continue to close and fight is a far far happier, richer, more socially mobile and simply better country
if there is less government what the fuck do you think the plutocrats do? they simply start instituting policies and enforcing them on their own. then you don't even have a fake corrupt government to redress your grievances, you simply are a slave with no rights at all
this is not science fiction. this is historical fact:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
idiots like you help those who are raping you, by listening to their lies and blaming the only thing you have left to fight them: your government. if morons like you get your way, we are all raped 10x worse. you want to FIX your government. make it stronger and less corrupt. if you reduce it, it simply stays corrupt and plutocrats can rape us all even more
whatever counterweight do you have to plutocrats? you're going to shoot it out with them in the woods? then enjoy your short life, stupid douchebag
instead, why don't you try educating yourself and finding out what you really need to improve your life. step #1: stop believing lies and propaganda intended to keep you dumb and powerless
if we have less government, that's simply less people for the plutocrats to bribe, and their power is extended
weaken government and plutocrats are not weakened, they are strengthened and emboldened
libertarianism is extremely naive and uneducated as to history. you need a strong government to counterbalance the plutocrats. you do that with strong anticorruption laws
the problem with our current government is we have a corrupt government. you don't solve that be weakening government, you solve that with strong anticorruption laws, make regulators and regulations actually regulate corporations, rather than simply be controlled by the very corporations they are supposed to regulate, the bullshit corrupt status quo we have now
the nordic countries and canada have more government than us and far less corruption. the people are happier, more socially mobile, and pay far less for healthcare and education
the problem is we want effective laws against corruption. yes: more government -> more government corruption is true as long as the usa does not effective laws against corruption. 2010's citizens united for example simply boldly stated legalized corruption is the way. we must reverse that and install many other anti-corruption laws and only then do we have fairness
but less government and less regulation does not lead to less corruption, it simply means the plutocrats have less people they need to bribe to get what they want. that only helps them
morons who want to weaken or destroy our government are only helping the plutocrats. the power they have over you does not disappear when you weaken or destroy the government, all you do is give them a smaller roster of people to pay off
the problem is not government
the problem is the plutocrats who buy congresswhores and fake regulators
you want to FIX government, not destroy it. cure it of its corruption
if you have less government, less regulation, the power the plutocrats have over you does not disappear. they simply have less people they have to bribe. then they start hiring their own goon squads and turn you into slaves
that's not science fiction, that's well establish american history:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
we defeated them with labor movements and unions. but, like you said, since reagan the unions have been broken up. scott walker is killing the last of them. and now the plutocrats are back in charge
now we have to fight the fight of our great grandfathers, all over again
the problem is legalized corruption in the usa. we need REGULATION. actual regulation, not corrupt regulation controlled by the people who are supposed to be regulated
of course that's not perfect, but it is 9,000x better than no regulation and less government
look to canada, the nordic countries: places where they actually have effective government, actual laws that control corruption. and where the people are happier, more socially mobile, and spend far less on healthcare and education than we do
in the usa we have a supreme court who in 2010 said "money is speech" and so the rich now have the only real effective speech in the usa. probably the most anti-american and destructive event in the history of the usa. not the war of 1812, not the civil war, not pearl harbor, not 911: the most anti-american event in the history of this country was 2010's citizens united
you want to strengthen your government, and have strong anti-corruption laws passed
that's the only power you really have: your government. YOUR government, not the corrupted piece of shit we currently have. fight to get it back
fix it, don't destroy it (morons who dream of shooting it out in the woods a la the second amendment and revolution are simply dead people waking: you don't have the numbers nor the firepower, and revolutions are far far worse than our current problems regardless)
are the last vestige of the place congresscritters respect the will of their voters
in every other realm plutocrats own them
this will be "corrected"
facts:
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
you're a pridefully ignorant moron who doesn't care about credibility or truth
first, understand what the fuck you are talking about on the topic, *then* open your ignorant mouth
you are either a liar, or you don't know a fucking thing about this topic yet feel like acting like an authority when you don't know shit
this is the problem with life: propagandized misinformed idiots who still think they are entitled to an opinion
facts, you lying moron:
http://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfT...
this little exchange sums up the problem with american politics (or politics anywhere i suppose). people don't know shit, they are propagandized and lied to, they never bother to investigate themselves, they simply accept whatever is handed to them, then they shriek and spout uninformed ignorant opinions with great authority
prideful ignorance
http://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfT...
just a note: it's not my responsibility to educate you as to the basics of the topic at hand, even though i have just done so, that's me being generous
it's your responsibility, no one else, to educate yourself as to topics you comment on, BEFORE you comment. why do you assume other commentors here are automatically correct, without attribution, while i am automatically wrong? that just speaks to your prejudice
if you see two conflicting depictions of events, go research it yourself
this applies to all topics in life: what's happening in ukraine, what obamacare actually means, who broke the cookie jar in your kitchen: if you just go with your assumptions and prejudices and trust a random voice in the room without verification, you've failed yourself. you are open to being lied to and deceived easily
educate yourself. research yourself. don't depend on others to hand you opinions on a silver platter. you will simply be a misinformed, propagandized idiot in life
i don't know, and i don't know
there are double standards and hypocrisy. not out of malice, but probably out of simply not paying attention
if and where other subs have engaged in doxxing only in the past, like SRS, before the policy was announced
or if and where other subs still do it, but on a smaller scale
but then the solution is to ban those subs as well
not let fatpeoplehate get away with abusive behavior
"hey i heard about a guy who murdered someone once, so this guy should be able to get away with murder too"... that's not actually how morality or the real world works
two wrongs don't make a right
even if you can show me some sub that does nothing but doxx all day, it's existence does not mean fatpeoplehate should get away with abuse. in a truly fair and moral world, fatpeoplehate AND the other sub would be banned. not one or the other, not neither
and perhaps those subs will be banned shortly if they really deserve to be
why don't you complain to reddit admins and show the doxxing in those subs and get them banned?
SRS engaged in doxxing only in the past, before the policy was announced
but even if that is not ok to you, then the solution is to ban SRS as well, not let fatpeoplehate get away with abusive behavior
"hey i heard about a guy who murdered someone once, so this guy should be able to get away with murder too"... that's not actually how morality nor the real world works
two wrongs don't make a right
sure, you could say there are double standards and hypocrisy
if and where other subs have engaged in doxxing only in the past, like SRS, before the policy was announced
or if and where other subs still do it, but on a smaller scale
but then the solution is to ban those subs as well
not let fatpeoplehate get away with abusive behavior
"hey i heard about a guy who murdered someone once, so this guy should be able to get away with murder too"... that's not actually how morality or the real world works
two wrongs don't make a right
sure, talk about whatever you want
but offtopic is still offtopic, and inaccurate is still inaccurate, and i can call you out for doing either
not because i'm some sort of bullshit self-appointed authority. simply because of logic and reason
if there were a bulletin board in chicago where people would post names of people to stab, yes, the bulletin board would be culpable and would be removed
that's an actually valid analogy, unlike the crap you wrote
i can frame someone for murder
therefore, we should never pursue justice against murderers?
that people can abuse a justice system is not a valid argument against the existence of a justice system. the search for justice is a human endeavour, and prone to error, incompleteness, and malicious manipulation. and yet no justice system at all is 10,000x worse
free speech means the government cannot censor your views
free speech does not mean the local newspaper is compelled to publish your hateful letter to the editor
a private entity has every right to curate its content any way it sees fit. it may reject any content it wants, and that is perfectly 100% logically coherent with the notion of free speech: the government, or another individual, has no right to force someone else to say something they don't want to say. nowhere in the concept of free speech is there the concept that reddit *has* to publish something. reddit can be as capricious, hypocritical, random, or vindictive as it wants in censoring any content it wants. it is their website
of course, if their policies are bullshit, they may turn people off, and some other site will take off and reddit will drop in popularity. and that's perfectly ok. and that new site, they too can censor whatever they want. and no free speech violation has occurred
if you hate fat people, for example, and your angry hate against fat people is rejected from any website, then indeed, start your fucking website. and if you think that sucks because now you're lonely on that mountaintop because very few people visit your site, well too fucking bad: maybe no one visits because you're a hateful piece of shit
another thing about free speech is nowhere in the concept is it required that anyone listen to you
no where is it required that no one criticize you
and no where is it required that no consequences will come to your life (your job, your reputation, etc.) for saying hateful things
say whatever you want
but be fucking ready for the consequences. loneliness is certainly one of the possible consequences, and maybe, if you're a hateful asshole, you deserve it
they might still do that, and they should. transparency
but the events that led to the banning are pretty well established:
imgur started removing fatpeoplehate images and in response the reddit sub posted pictures of (chubby) imgur staff and a thread topic about harassing them and identifying specific imgur personnel exploded
you can argue about imgur's removal of fatpeoplehate images as censorship, but you cannot call reddit's actions censorship, as removing threats and harassment against specific people is not logically the same as censorship
you could say there are double standards if and where other subs have engaged in doxxing in the past, or if and where other subs still do it, but on a smaller scale. but then the solution is to ban those subs as well, not let fatpeoplehate get away with abusive behavior
fatpeoplehate got shut down for brigading and doxxing, not simple hate
imgur started removing fatpeoplehate images and in response the reddit sub posted pictures of (chubby) imgur staff and a thread topic about harassing them and identifying specific imgur personnel exploded
you can argue about imgur's removal of fatpeoplehate images as censorship, but you cannot call reddit's actions censorship, as removing threats and harassment is not logically the same as censorship
you could say there are double standards if and where other subs have engaged in doxxing in the past, or if and where other subs still do it, but on a smaller scale. but then the solution is to ban those subs as well, not let fatpeoplehate get away with abusive behavior
there are still plenty of repugnant and hateful subs on reddit that are not shut down. because they aren't doxxing
if voat is going to accept brigading and doxxing, then voat is going to get sued and shut down when, not if, someone gets hurt in real life because of ignorant internet hate
reddit did the right thing, as a matter of simple morality, and as a matter of self preservation in the face of legal standards
if you harass and threaten someone specifically, you're not engaging in free speech anymore, and you, and the forum you are doing it on, are culpable for any harm stemming from that. freedom of speech is not limitless. it is no longer free speech when you threaten specific people
any comment or discussion here about censoring hate is inaccurate
any comment or discussion here about preventing harassment and threats is on topic