Hell no. As someone who moved from Ottawa to the Toronto area... Canadians and Americans are chiefs at waste. In most european nations when resources get low people get crafty [e.g. biogas]. Not us, we look for more holes to put our trash, more sources of oil to feed the SUVs, etc...
What you have to like is the sheer conflict people seem to be in. They bitch about gas costs but then drive TOTALLY INEFFICIENT cars [e.g. 10L per 100km cars/vans..... e.g. ~23mpg/hwy], turn the AC up full way in the summer, etc.
And it's not really a problem people are that interested in solving. I mean biodiesel is taking off in small groups [will be a while before it becomes "newsworthy"] but for the most part we find other ways to solve our problems [e.g. Iraq].
That's a function of bad management and decision making. It's almost always in your best interests to get things right "the first time". The trick is to get what you can fit in a product polished. Cut features if time is short but don't cut quality.
e.g. I'd rather have that word processor work flawlessly without [say] auto-numbering figure support than have a bunch of features that work 20%. If you're stuck on a project that is "due tommorow" and you clearly don't have the time for the features required your management sucks and in the long run the product will flop [unless your big enough to just force yourself on everyone...].
bond is meant to encourage you to show up for court [e.g. you forfeit the bond if you don't].
Granted it *can* be misused against the poor I think in the long run it does more good than harm. If anything I think it gets misused the other way, e.g. letting the rich off [on bond] more serious offenses [e.g. O.J....].
While I agree that cable mostly sucks and isn't worth it there are enough non-insulting shows throughout the day to keep me entertained.
Though your story is different. You pay money for a service you get right away.
The other case is paying money for the chance to perhaps, maybe, possibly in the future get an xbox but not until paying out money and trying to get as many people to enter their email addresses.
It's clearly a scam, clearly a harvester, etc, etc.
If you want to have a choice of what software you run on your Windows box you have to support the developers first.
Why do you think there are 10s of thousands of different projects for the Linux and BSD OSes? It ain't because GCC is a "leading provider of developer solutions in a vertical portfolio bullshit bs marketting crap".
It's because the developer scene is strong, well supported and professional.
Mostly it's in the larger companies. I don't think it's entirely American but they're certainly well known for it.
I was with a customer in France and they're a big windows shop as well. The software my company wrote for them was primarily for *nix and supported win32 [eventually, was a matter of writing and testing the build scripts...]. So when I asked "where's the linux box to test on" they were put off and wanted only to deal with win32 first.
I kept [teasing mostly] after them to move their desktops to Linux but they toted the usual "costs too much" line to learn new tools.
Which of course is why I now work at home for a company over the net writing software on WHATEVER I GOD DAMN WELL PLEASE [*]
Tom
[*] It also helps that the software I write is portable to any 32-bit or 64-bit platform with a C compiler:-)
I'm not against gui tools, I just don't think we should sacrifice hackability for "pretty". I'd rather see a tool like a server written for CLI first and *then* a GUI made for it.
You say "yes but..." they cut you off and that's the end of it.
The rest of your sentence would be "but we'll save a lot in the long run by having better control of our processes, no license fees and regular updates to keep us current." They don't care.
If it costs $10 today to say $100 tommorow it's not worth it.
And that's why capitalism fails. Nobody does anything that makes any god damn sense anymore.
That's exactly the problem. You keep posting msft "news" and keep the buzz going and nobody ever thinks about the alternatives.
How about ya just ignore MSFT like they've been ignoring their customers [hey, where are the open standards compliance? How about a proper optimizing C compiler? etc...] and it'll all be good. If you create a buzz around a BETA build that only MSDN subscribers can access... well clearly that keeps people focused on MSFT products which is exactly what they want.
Um, how about the fact that Vista is not out yet? Why not wait for an official release then do a story about that?
At least when they do a story about an OSS release it's
a) currently available for download
and
b) free
I don't mind slashvertisements but the daily story about how Vista will make the world a better place is getting rather annoying.
And you KNOW that these "leaks" and "updates" and what not are solely to get the freaks foaming at the mouth for the release date. omg, can't wait for Vista, it will be teh cool, make all dreams come happy happy or something like that...
If I wanted to know how Vista was doing I'd become a platnium gold sponsored MSDN subscriber and read about it in my the newsletter from Balmer himself.
I don't, I suspect many others don't. Stop posting MSFT stories like this.
Well you can refute, agree or ignore. Just like you can ignore them, mock them, fear them.
Mostly I ignore FUD because it isn't worth the time and effort. But occasionally to chime in and give support for the cause is a worthwhile endeavour.
Every time MSFT says GNU/Linux is more expensive and nobody refutes it, it becomes the truth.
Every time MSFT says GNU/Linux is hard to use and nobody refutes it, it becomes the truth.
Every time MSFT says GNU/Linux is less capable and nobody refutes it, it becomes the truth.
Not that I really care what other people do, it's how it affects my life. I had to install windows for the first time [in over a couple years] because clients were windows-only. It drove me up the wall, being asked to enter CD keys and activation codes, etc... Like somehow I was a criminal for buying software.
For others that's fine, you want to use Windows go right ahead. Just don't make me do it as well. Once that happens I get angry and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
Not like they can compete on any other legitimate grounds:-)
Sure WinXP is easy to um... look at. It just can't do anything, oh unless you buy THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS of addons.
Let's see... WinXP Retail cost $200, Office, ~$800 and Visual Studio is $1200 [all canadian]. That's $2200 for a developer workstation.... then on the other side, A gentoo CD costs... about 5 minutes worth of broadband. A full developer workstation costs about a day and a half of build time [that's like +700 ebuilds] or roughly ~$10/30*2 = $0.67 for the power.
Yeah, I'm sure a lot of developing nations [or fuck, just students and fresh grads in "1st world" nations] can afford $2200 for the Microsoft way and not the 30 minutes of reading man pages the Gentoo way takes...
Yeah but don't you realize the annoyance this causes? All they do with the email addresses harvested is spam the shit out of them.
I mean really if you want an xbox so badly just save up the money, budget for it and buy one. Not exactly complicated if you're responsible with money.
As for "cost $9.99" you mean to say you actually have handed them money already? Man, what a dupe. Why not give me ten bucks and I'll see about getting you an xbox.
Go to the store, buy two boxes, one an Intel Pentium 620, another an AMD Athlon64 3200+ or so [roughly price compariable I think].
Grab two blank hard disks, two gentoo cds and one local distfile mirror. Start from stage1 and build a good 700 or so packages. Tell me how many ***hours*** of work you can complete on the AMD box before the Intel box is even finished.
Not fair enough? Ok, try measuring the latency of ECC P-256 and RSA-2048 operations with the fastest code you can write for both [include the time it takes to write both as a cost].
Not fair enough? Compare the energy consumed in doing these tasks.
VIA processors only accelerate AES [in ECB, CFB and CBC mode I think]. Not bignum math.
As for where it falls? VIA processors are *less* efficient than a P4. Sure they take no power to run but they also take many times the cycles to do anything.
As for the nazi stuff, maybe it's not good to celebrate a regime that murdered millions. And keep in mind that stuff is LOCAL. As in, you can sell the game, just not there. So really your point has no bearing on the general theme of running the the internet.
My trick was to get a decent paying job and then buy a lot of gear [well lot for a private citizen, I own three high end desktops:-)] then do the testing.
Generally the P4 is crap compared to the AMD64. In crypto [ciphers and hashes] it always takes more cycles to complete the same work and even with the clock advantage it rarely beats the AMD64 in walltime. Basically to reliably beat an AMD64 in cipher operations [w.r.t. walltime] you'd need to pit a 3.6Ghz or 3.8Ghz P4 against a 2.2Ghz AMD64. Below that and AMD wins. Not only that but it takes less power at the same time.
The 'xeon' series of processors are no better, they're just P4s with more cache and the same core. So you pay a premium for what ammounts to window dressing.
Typical american-zealot bullshit. It's either "the right american way" or "the evil horned trolls of the commie reds way!"
What if, and I'm only spitballing here, the day to day operations of the net, the same net that is supported by 100s of countries over the world (like doing business with europe? Want it to continue? You gonna pay for their net access?), actually have a say in how the net will evolve?
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Hell no. As someone who moved from Ottawa to the Toronto area ... Canadians and Americans are chiefs at waste. In most european nations when resources get low people get crafty [e.g. biogas]. Not us, we look for more holes to put our trash, more sources of oil to feed the SUVs, etc...
..... e.g. ~23mpg/hwy], turn the AC up full way in the summer, etc.
What you have to like is the sheer conflict people seem to be in. They bitch about gas costs but then drive TOTALLY INEFFICIENT cars [e.g. 10L per 100km cars/vans
And it's not really a problem people are that interested in solving. I mean biodiesel is taking off in small groups [will be a while before it becomes "newsworthy"] but for the most part we find other ways to solve our problems [e.g. Iraq].
Tom
That's a function of bad management and decision making. It's almost always in your best interests to get things right "the first time". The trick is to get what you can fit in a product polished. Cut features if time is short but don't cut quality.
e.g. I'd rather have that word processor work flawlessly without [say] auto-numbering figure support than have a bunch of features that work 20%. If you're stuck on a project that is "due tommorow" and you clearly don't have the time for the features required your management sucks and in the long run the product will flop [unless your big enough to just force yourself on everyone...].
Tom
bond is meant to encourage you to show up for court [e.g. you forfeit the bond if you don't].
...].
Granted it *can* be misused against the poor I think in the long run it does more good than harm. If anything I think it gets misused the other way, e.g. letting the rich off [on bond] more serious offenses [e.g. O.J.
Tom
That's a really stupid question. Bad checks cause a lot of harm because you're effectively stealing.
By your logic stealing shouldn't land you in jail.
If that's your line of thought I might agree with you under the pretense that a lot of crimes shouldn't land you in jail...
Tom
While I agree that cable mostly sucks and isn't worth it there are enough non-insulting shows throughout the day to keep me entertained.
Though your story is different. You pay money for a service you get right away.
The other case is paying money for the chance to perhaps, maybe, possibly in the future get an xbox but not until paying out money and trying to get as many people to enter their email addresses.
It's clearly a scam, clearly a harvester, etc, etc.
Tom
If you want to have a choice of what software you run on your Windows box you have to support the developers first.
Why do you think there are 10s of thousands of different projects for the Linux and BSD OSes? It ain't because GCC is a "leading provider of developer solutions in a vertical portfolio bullshit bs marketting crap".
It's because the developer scene is strong, well supported and professional.
Tom
Mostly it's in the larger companies. I don't think it's entirely American but they're certainly well known for it.
:-)
I was with a customer in France and they're a big windows shop as well. The software my company wrote for them was primarily for *nix and supported win32 [eventually, was a matter of writing and testing the build scripts...]. So when I asked "where's the linux box to test on" they were put off and wanted only to deal with win32 first.
I kept [teasing mostly] after them to move their desktops to Linux but they toted the usual "costs too much" line to learn new tools.
Which of course is why I now work at home for a company over the net writing software on WHATEVER I GOD DAMN WELL PLEASE [*]
Tom
[*] It also helps that the software I write is portable to any 32-bit or 64-bit platform with a C compiler
webmin? :-)
I'm not against gui tools, I just don't think we should sacrifice hackability for "pretty". I'd rather see a tool like a server written for CLI first and *then* a GUI made for it.
Tom
Haahahahaha, NO.
..." they cut you off and that's the end of it.
They'll say "will it cost money to switch"
You say "yes but
The rest of your sentence would be "but we'll save a lot in the long run by having better control of our processes, no license fees and regular updates to keep us current." They don't care.
If it costs $10 today to say $100 tommorow it's not worth it.
And that's why capitalism fails. Nobody does anything that makes any god damn sense anymore.
Tom
Rule #1. Appeal to the vain and idiotic bosses.
The boss likes bubbly then the boss mandates Windows in the server room.
Tom
Ah, [shakes head] ok....
:-)
When I forward my X11 programs I don't get two title bars
Is it just me or are there two borders around the "diagnostic control" program... what you need TWO minimize buttons?
As for the rest of the screenshots, nothing really impressive. Just alpha-blending and Firefox feature ripoffs.
Tom
That's exactly the problem. You keep posting msft "news" and keep the buzz going and nobody ever thinks about the alternatives.
... well clearly that keeps people focused on MSFT products which is exactly what they want.
How about ya just ignore MSFT like they've been ignoring their customers [hey, where are the open standards compliance? How about a proper optimizing C compiler? etc...] and it'll all be good. If you create a buzz around a BETA build that only MSDN subscribers can access
It's called "obsession" for a reason.
Tom
Um, how about the fact that Vista is not out yet? Why not wait for an official release then do a story about that?
At least when they do a story about an OSS release it's
a) currently available for download
and
b) free
I don't mind slashvertisements but the daily story about how Vista will make the world a better place is getting rather annoying.
And you KNOW that these "leaks" and "updates" and what not are solely to get the freaks foaming at the mouth for the release date. omg, can't wait for Vista, it will be teh cool, make all dreams come happy happy or something like that...
Tom
How is this news? Stupid MSFT advertisements...
If I wanted to know how Vista was doing I'd become a platnium gold sponsored MSDN subscriber and read about it in my the newsletter from Balmer himself.
I don't, I suspect many others don't. Stop posting MSFT stories like this.
Tom
Well you can refute, agree or ignore. Just like you can ignore them, mock them, fear them.
Mostly I ignore FUD because it isn't worth the time and effort. But occasionally to chime in and give support for the cause is a worthwhile endeavour.
Every time MSFT says GNU/Linux is more expensive and nobody refutes it, it becomes the truth.
Every time MSFT says GNU/Linux is hard to use and nobody refutes it, it becomes the truth.
Every time MSFT says GNU/Linux is less capable and nobody refutes it, it becomes the truth.
Not that I really care what other people do, it's how it affects my life. I had to install windows for the first time [in over a couple years] because clients were windows-only. It drove me up the wall, being asked to enter CD keys and activation codes, etc... Like somehow I was a criminal for buying software.
For others that's fine, you want to use Windows go right ahead. Just don't make me do it as well. Once that happens I get angry and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
Tom
Not like they can compete on any other legitimate grounds :-)
... look at. It just can't do anything, oh unless you buy THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS of addons.
... then on the other side, A gentoo CD costs ... about 5 minutes worth of broadband. A full developer workstation costs about a day and a half of build time [that's like +700 ebuilds] or roughly ~$10/30*2 = $0.67 for the power.
Sure WinXP is easy to um
Let's see... WinXP Retail cost $200, Office, ~$800 and Visual Studio is $1200 [all canadian]. That's $2200 for a developer workstation.
Yeah, I'm sure a lot of developing nations [or fuck, just students and fresh grads in "1st world" nations] can afford $2200 for the Microsoft way and not the 30 minutes of reading man pages the Gentoo way takes...
Hehehehe
Tom
Yeah but don't you realize the annoyance this causes? All they do with the email addresses harvested is spam the shit out of them.
I mean really if you want an xbox so badly just save up the money, budget for it and buy one. Not exactly complicated if you're responsible with money.
As for "cost $9.99" you mean to say you actually have handed them money already? Man, what a dupe. Why not give me ten bucks and I'll see about getting you an xbox.
Tom
Um, it isn't hard to make Intel look bad.
Go to the store, buy two boxes, one an Intel Pentium 620, another an AMD Athlon64 3200+ or so [roughly price compariable I think].
Grab two blank hard disks, two gentoo cds and one local distfile mirror. Start from stage1 and build a good 700 or so packages. Tell me how many ***hours*** of work you can complete on the AMD box before the Intel box is even finished.
Not fair enough? Ok, try measuring the latency of ECC P-256 and RSA-2048 operations with the fastest code you can write for both [include the time it takes to write both as a cost].
Not fair enough? Compare the energy consumed in doing these tasks.
etc...
Tom
VIA processors only accelerate AES [in ECB, CFB and CBC mode I think]. Not bignum math.
As for where it falls? VIA processors are *less* efficient than a P4. Sure they take no power to run but they also take many times the cycles to do anything.
Tom
Granted, but find me off the shell PUBLIC DOMAIN software that will achieve that.
TFM, LTM and LTC are freely accessible public domain libraries.
And besides that, custom hardware [re: MUCH SMALLER] can do it with less latency.
Tom
cough, cough, GTA:SA ...
American censorship is no better.
As for the nazi stuff, maybe it's not good to celebrate a regime that murdered millions. And keep in mind that stuff is LOCAL. As in, you can sell the game, just not there. So really your point has no bearing on the general theme of running the the internet.
Tom
My trick was to get a decent paying job and then buy a lot of gear [well lot for a private citizen, I own three high end desktops :-)] then do the testing.
Generally the P4 is crap compared to the AMD64. In crypto [ciphers and hashes] it always takes more cycles to complete the same work and even with the clock advantage it rarely beats the AMD64 in walltime. Basically to reliably beat an AMD64 in cipher operations [w.r.t. walltime] you'd need to pit a 3.6Ghz or 3.8Ghz P4 against a 2.2Ghz AMD64. Below that and AMD wins. Not only that but it takes less power at the same time.
The 'xeon' series of processors are no better, they're just P4s with more cache and the same core. So you pay a premium for what ammounts to window dressing.
Tom
Where did I say that?
Typical american-zealot bullshit. It's either "the right american way" or "the evil horned trolls of the commie reds way!"
What if, and I'm only spitballing here, the day to day operations of the net, the same net that is supported by 100s of countries over the world (like doing business with europe? Want it to continue? You gonna pay for their net access?), actually have a say in how the net will evolve?
Tom
Since when did Canada run the UN?
I guess you missed the bit of the UN being a global [often waste of breath] effort.
You'd be surprised to learn that while the US started the net it's other nations that carry it to where it is today.
You think all that routing, networking and software you use was invented in the US? Oh, ok.
Tom