There's a big difference between a bunch of hippies in a "Local theater group" and IBM/Oracle/Sun/Apple teaming up and colluding to undercut a Microsoft product. A particular action that would be illegal under anti-trust law doesn't magically become legal because someone waved the magic GPL wand.
Trying to make a blanket statement about the legality of the GPL either way is stupid. The Wallace guy was trying to make some general anti-GPL point and was wrong, just as you are wrong for claiming the GPL provides universal immunity to such activity.
tar files carry permissions and are opened with a graphical browser in most X desktops. Permission problem solved.
KDE/Gnome has something called a.desktop file which is a form of shortcut to allow file launching without a permission check (by calling perl/python for example)
There's plenty of Unix data files that can be executed without permissions. (Firefox XPIs or Java class files for example).
Your spin on Unix Permissions here is basically False Security. If I can list 3 tricks to bypass it, a malware author probably knows a dozen more.
On my Windows box, if I wanted to start pruning the Execute permission, I certainly could. But it would make little difference because there's so many opportunities for malware to run code other than kicking off an exe file.
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Funny that you brought up Windows, because I usually see the "The CVS Cop-out" when zealots are having some sort of dick-size war about their fav software. For example:
+ Did KDE or Gnome have a feature first + Which browser supported the "ACID Test" first + Linux is better than Windows because [Bleeding Edge Feature] + Linux supports such-n-such hardware in latest Linus snapshot and so on...
So it seems much more like a marketing issue than a support issue.
[And as per usual, whenever someone critizes the opensource process in any way, some zealot comes out of the woodwork with the stock "Windows is just as bad" defense.]
For a GUI application, Python might be smaller because it used native widgets. However, for other sorts of programs the memory use will be very similar between Java and Python... and the Java version will be a lot faster.
In the Ars review, the mentioned that the thing was throttling the CPU down to avoid damage
Yeah -- This is an important point. You are buying a 1.83Ghz laptop, but effectively you are only getting a 1.66Ghz laptop. This should never happen under normal use conditions. (And 100% CPU should be considered normal use, so long as you aren't sitting on the beach or something.)
That's a good point. After it's near total lack of adoption in the First World, Smalltalk could well be poised as the universal language for Third World computing! Or is this the least opportune time for language advocacy ever?
Given that this is a Redhat system, the bundled management software is written in Python. Now, Python is nice, but it's not nearly as optimized as Java, and in most cases a Java program will be much less bloated than an equivilant Python program.
Yes, so please explain again how it will hurt Sun's bottom line to go the extra step of making it open source.
Sun was able to sue Microsoft for $750 Million because Java was not open source, not to mention all the indirect costs if Microsoft was successful at forking it.
People commented that the graphics were no better than the GameCube. So it "just happened" to be in a GameCube case and "just happened" to have GameCube graphics, it's a reasonable assumption to believe that it might have GameCube-based demo.
Not that it really matters because it was just a demo.
But Apple was still selling G3-based iBooks and iMacs for years while the Pentium-III/Athlon was pretty much standard on the PC side. So it's not a totally inaccurate comparison.
Actually, you are correct because OS X Tiger only works on 1999+ era Macs (with built-in firewire). And I suspect the next OS X will have no G3 support.
Unfortunately not -- like I said unless you can figure out WHY someone blew up WTC7, it's a lot of gumflapping that will not affect mainstream opinions of 9/11.
When daveschroder says it's "old news", that only means that his precompsed "spin" essay has been sitting on his hard disk for some time waiting for it to be posted to Slashdot.
I predict, however, that this Macworld UK article will be seen as "new news", and will be picked up by the tech outlets, and trumpeted, exactly as the headline hopes,
Compared to the massive amount of PR Apple got for "open sourcing" the Mac kernel, this news will have nowhere near the reach and will be mostly quitely buried in the Mac tradepress. In fact I predict Mac Zealots talking about how opensourcey the Mac is for some years to come despite the facts.
Anyway, congrats on another "First Post" dave, you make the GNAA look like amateurs.
Pilot manuals in arabic, found in an abandonned car by the airport... Then risked compromising the whole plan by leaving them in the car, where a common thief could pick them
Obviously, this smells like a plant. But come on, these guys had lived openly in the US for months, gone to flight school, gotten pilot licenses, etc. Assuming the story is legit, leaving their manuals in the trunk was a pretty tiny risk compared to everything else they were doing.
Why even waste your time trying to discredit them?
I'm not, I just made a meta-comment. You, however, are a rude fuckwit who has repeatedly attempted to stick words in my mouth. That makes you a stupid person, which obviously makes your ideas look stupid. The best thing some people can do to help their belief system is to keep it to themselves.
there is a way to transfer data between Java and Javascript.
Before XMLHttpRequest, Microsoft had somehting called "Remote Scripting". I worked an a commercial product that used it. Netscape also had somehting similar, but I can't recall the name.
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If so, that's really stupid because the Windows OS can limit executables based on cryptographic hashes.
There's a big difference between a bunch of hippies in a "Local theater group" and IBM/Oracle/Sun/Apple teaming up and colluding to undercut a Microsoft product. A particular action that would be illegal under anti-trust law doesn't magically become legal because someone waved the magic GPL wand.
Trying to make a blanket statement about the legality of the GPL either way is stupid. The Wallace guy was trying to make some general anti-GPL point and was wrong, just as you are wrong for claiming the GPL provides universal immunity to such activity.
Your spin on Unix Permissions here is basically False Security. If I can list 3 tricks to bypass it, a malware author probably knows a dozen more.
On my Windows box, if I wanted to start pruning the Execute permission, I certainly could. But it would make little difference because there's so many opportunities for malware to run code other than kicking off an exe file.
Funny that you brought up Windows, because I usually see the "The CVS Cop-out" when zealots are having some sort of dick-size war about their fav software. For example:
+ Did KDE or Gnome have a feature first
+ Which browser supported the "ACID Test" first
+ Linux is better than Windows because [Bleeding Edge Feature]
+ Linux supports such-n-such hardware in latest Linus snapshot
and so on...
So it seems much more like a marketing issue than a support issue.
[And as per usual, whenever someone critizes the opensource process in any way, some zealot comes out of the woodwork with the stock "Windows is just as bad" defense.]
Actually, even the lowley GMA950 video chip has some sort of hardware assist for decoding video, so it's not entirely a CPU task.
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http://www.friday.com/bbum/2006/02/28/intel-mac-m
There is no way you can call Eclipse Not Java just because it uses the available Java facilities to interface with the local OS.
The Sun marketing term is "Pure Java". Eclipse is not Pure Java.
For a GUI application, Python might be smaller because it used native widgets. However, for other sorts of programs the memory use will be very similar between Java and Python ... and the Java version will be a lot faster.
I wonder what company pays $1200/Year for RedHat Enterprise SuperKickAss Server edition and then uses GCJ instead of Sun Java.
(AKA, RedHat seems to be rather blatently acting competitively versus Sun rather than in their customers' interests.)
In the Ars review, the mentioned that the thing was throttling the CPU down to avoid damage
Yeah -- This is an important point. You are buying a 1.83Ghz laptop, but effectively you are only getting a 1.66Ghz laptop. This should never happen under normal use conditions. (And 100% CPU should be considered normal use, so long as you aren't sitting on the beach or something.)
That's a good point. After it's near total lack of adoption in the First World, Smalltalk could well be poised as the universal language for Third World computing! Or is this the least opportune time for language advocacy ever?
And if you're wrong about Microsoft and the GPL, you don't have an argument.
Anyway, my point is that As-Is Java has helped Sun's bottom line -- you might not like it, but dems the facts.
Given that this is a Redhat system, the bundled management software is written in Python. Now, Python is nice, but it's not nearly as optimized as Java, and in most cases a Java program will be much less bloated than an equivilant Python program.
Yes, so please explain again how it will hurt Sun's bottom line to go the extra step of making it open source.
Sun was able to sue Microsoft for $750 Million because Java was not open source, not to mention all the indirect costs if Microsoft was successful at forking it.
People commented that the graphics were no better than the GameCube. So it "just happened" to be in a GameCube case and "just happened" to have GameCube graphics, it's a reasonable assumption to believe that it might have GameCube-based demo.
Not that it really matters because it was just a demo.
You have to be kidding. The N64 is pretty much the epitome of late-90s fugly with all sorts of pointless bulbous blisters.
(Best looking console ever==Atari 5200)
But Apple was still selling G3-based iBooks and iMacs for years while the Pentium-III/Athlon was pretty much standard on the PC side. So it's not a totally inaccurate comparison.
Actually, you are correct because OS X Tiger only works on 1999+ era Macs (with built-in firewire). And I suspect the next OS X will have no G3 support.
h tml
http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.
Unfortunately not -- like I said unless you can figure out WHY someone blew up WTC7, it's a lot of gumflapping that will not affect mainstream opinions of 9/11.
They took a problem, wrapped a marketing program around it, and now it's an enterprise feature!
When daveschroder says it's "old news", that only means that his precompsed "spin" essay has been sitting on his hard disk for some time waiting for it to be posted to Slashdot.
I predict, however, that this Macworld UK article will be seen as "new news", and will be picked up by the tech outlets, and trumpeted, exactly as the headline hopes,
Compared to the massive amount of PR Apple got for "open sourcing" the Mac kernel, this news will have nowhere near the reach and will be mostly quitely buried in the Mac tradepress. In fact I predict Mac Zealots talking about how opensourcey the Mac is for some years to come despite the facts.
Anyway, congrats on another "First Post" dave, you make the GNAA look like amateurs.
Pilot manuals in arabic, found in an abandonned car by the airport ... Then risked compromising the whole plan by leaving them in the car, where a common thief could pick them
Obviously, this smells like a plant. But come on, these guys had lived openly in the US for months, gone to flight school, gotten pilot licenses, etc. Assuming the story is legit, leaving their manuals in the trunk was a pretty tiny risk compared to everything else they were doing.
Why even waste your time trying to discredit them?
I'm not, I just made a meta-comment. You, however, are a rude fuckwit who has repeatedly attempted to stick words in my mouth. That makes you a stupid person, which obviously makes your ideas look stupid. The best thing some people can do to help their belief system is to keep it to themselves.
More handwaving, yawn. Let me know when you find the guy who pushed the button.
Allow me to repeat Pynchon, since it sailed over your head: If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers.
there is a way to transfer data between Java and Javascript.
Before XMLHttpRequest, Microsoft had somehting called "Remote Scripting". I worked an a commercial product that used it. Netscape also had somehting similar, but I can't recall the name.