2. Easy to upgrade. I have yet to see any tool surpass/usr/ports for pure ease of use. apt-get install "insert-name-here" is even easier and faster.
FreeBSD also allows binary package installation. $ pkg_add ftp//:url_to_package
FreeBSDs package management is great but it is NO match to Debian GNU/Linux. Debian is even easier to upgrade. 1) You don't have to fix/etc by hand
This is nonsense. Package management has nothing to do with the/etc directory. FreeBSD uses CVSup for that, and there is an excellent port which can update/etc for you automagically called mergemaster.
2) You don't have to wait for hours for your stuff to compile (apt-get downloads binary packages unless told otherwise)
FreeBSD also has gradual binary upgrades for both the -STABLE and -CURRENT systems known as "snapshots". See ftp://current.freebsd.org.
3) You have to remake all your ports one by one after upgrading system. On Debian all packages are a part of distribution. If you upgrade system everything is upgraded.
What gives you this idea? I've got a whole lot of ports I've preserved across many dozens of FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT recompiles over several months:
GIMP
Many KDE apps (though I use GNOME mainly now)
nmap
The XFree86 stuff
Window Maker
Eterm
pdksh
vMac
jade
XAnim
etc...
FreeBSD handbook is great, but then most of the major linux distributions(Debian and RedHat) have such handbooks too (usually online too) + a huge collection of online docs at LDP
I stopped it somewhere between 45 seconds and 1 minute on my 1.5 Mbit link. It uses way too many graphics and other bandwidth-wasting techniques. It also attempts to layer a whole bunch of images, one atop another, to achieve a "Special Windows Dialog" look.
This site deserves to be in a hall of shame as a prime example of how not to do a website.
The -CURRENT list is not intended to be a forum for asking simple questions.
>>>> info freebsd-current FREEBSD-CURRENT Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-current. It includes warnings about new features coming out in -current that will affect the users, and instructions on steps that must be taken to remain -current. Anyone running "current" must subscribe to this list.
The content of this list is strictly technical. Those who are asking trivial questions and are running -CURRENT usually get a response that suggests they run -STABLE until they are more versed in FreeBSD to handle -CURRENT and the problems that come with it.
On the other hand, -questions is a forum in which questions about things both complicated and trivial are welcome. If necessary, a thread is Cc'd to the -hackers mailing list or some other mailing list that applies. Rarely are there insults and degrading remarks made about users on the -current mailing list. Are you even subscribed to it? I am, and I don't see that.
It is THIS kind of bullshit and FUD that keeps people from using FreeBSD.
Your point was that the project is dead. I gave proof that very successful companies use FreeBSD. Then you responded, calling Jordan, myself and others "like us" idiots.
On point A, I had actually meant to remove Hotmail, since too many people hate Microsoft.
Please provide proof of "deliberate obtuseness."
JKH commented on how Anonymous Coward is a problem on Slashdot, and that too much useless BS comes from this group of people, and that the signal to noise ratio would improve if these users did not exist.
Your comments like "what could be simpler" a few posts above, or flaming people as "idiots" here, show that you are a snob and a rather intolerant at that. Do you hope to attract people with flames like that?
Funny, I've known him longer than you obviously have and it seems to me that he's a great guy.
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
Idiot \Id"i*ot\, n. [F. idiot, L. idiota an uneducated, ignorant, ill-informed person, Gr. ?, also and orig., a private person, not holding public office, fr. ? proper, peculiar. See {Idiom}.]
Jordan is exactly right in saying that those who make claims to the effect of "FreeBSD is not open to changes by outside contributors" are idiots.
But seriously, FreeBSD is a very smart OS. When something goes wrong in FreeBSD.. you can be sure that it's your fault. I can't always say that with linux.
Now that's not quite true. There have been problems in both the kernel in userland just as there have in Linux. However, in my opinion, FreeBSD benefits from an integrated, full system of userland and kernel, completing an operating system. Combining that with the send-pr(1) command allows for problems to be solved in a much more quickly and orderly manner.
Your inability to perceive the minor thorn in your side known as reality boggles the mind. Intel is hardly "the only game in town". Unless you mean NT, go look at all the systems running on Sun hardware, DEC hardware, etc.!
If you honestly believe that Intel is the "only game in town", I have serious concerns for your ability to deal with reality.
Funny, I've always seen things like "Hey, screw this expensive specially-made router that can handle up to a terabit per second, let's do it with x86s and make a beowulf, we'll show them" from Linux users.
Please point me to articles where people say "DAH WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE IT BSD".
On your point that BSD users whine when people say things about BSD -- read what they're responding to specifically some time.
The man standing in the corner, I believe, was the other guy Heather was in the house with (I'm sleepy, so I forget his name). If you remember the old man at the beginning who said that the witch would take two people in, and have one face the corner while she killed the other one.
So at the end, you see his camera fall, then you see her (first person) running down the stairs, you see him standing in the corner, screaming, camera drops, then silence.
I find it difficult to believe the government is deluding itself into believing that somehow it can detect "network intrusions" -- let along determine whether these network intrusions were not from someone being paid for security testing.
And they are further deluding themselves in believing that they can monitor all of the Internet traffic.
I believe Linus created Linux because there was no other real free Unix that's capable of anything. Had the lawsuit not occured, I'd imagine Linus would have been working on the BSD Unices. Is th ere anything that goes against this logic?
Slashdot Mirror
FUD, you ask? Yes!
FreeBSD also allows binary package installation.
$ pkg_add ftp//:url_to_package
This is nonsense. Package management has nothing to do with the /etc directory. FreeBSD uses CVSup for that, and there is an excellent port which can update /etc for you automagically called mergemaster.
FreeBSD also has gradual binary upgrades for both the -STABLE and -CURRENT systems known as "snapshots". See ftp://current.freebsd.org.
What gives you this idea? I've got a whole lot of ports I've preserved across many dozens of FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT recompiles over several months:
- GIMP
- Many KDE apps (though I use GNOME mainly now)
- nmap
- The XFree86 stuff
- Window Maker
- Eterm
- pdksh
- vMac
- jade
- XAnim
etc...So that's why one of the "CVSmeisters" from the Darwin project is a FreeBSD committer:
I stopped it somewhere between 45 seconds and 1 minute on my 1.5 Mbit link. It uses way too many graphics and other bandwidth-wasting techniques. It also attempts to layer a whole bunch of images, one atop another, to achieve a "Special Windows Dialog" look.
This site deserves to be in a hall of shame as a prime example of how not to do a website.
Any particular reason this is moderated as insightful?
How is this a troll? Why isn't the parent article, then, also marked as a troll?
The content of this list is strictly technical. Those who are asking trivial questions and are running -CURRENT usually get a response that suggests they run -STABLE until they are more versed in FreeBSD to handle -CURRENT and the problems that come with it.
On the other hand, -questions is a forum in which questions about things both complicated and trivial are welcome. If necessary, a thread is Cc'd to the -hackers mailing list or some other mailing list that applies. Rarely are there insults and degrading remarks made about users on the -current mailing list. Are you even subscribed to it? I am, and I don't see that.
It is THIS kind of bullshit and FUD that keeps people from using FreeBSD.
I, for one, am sick and tired of it.
Your point was that the project is dead. I gave proof that very successful companies use FreeBSD. Then you responded, calling Jordan, myself and others "like us" idiots.
On point A, I had actually meant to remove Hotmail, since too many people hate Microsoft.
Please provide proof of "deliberate obtuseness."
JKH commented on how Anonymous Coward is a problem on Slashdot, and that too much useless BS comes from this group of people, and that the signal to noise ratio would improve if these users did not exist.
That's 11, isn't it? :)
Funny, I've known him longer than you obviously have and it seems to me that he's a great guy.
From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]:
Idiot \Id"i*ot\, n. [F. idiot, L. idiota an uneducated,
ignorant, ill-informed person, Gr. ?, also and orig., a
private person, not holding public office, fr. ? proper,
peculiar. See {Idiom}.]
Jordan is exactly right in saying that those who make claims to the effect of "FreeBSD is not open to changes by outside contributors" are idiots.
That's no pitchfork, that's a trident!
Now that's not quite true. There have been problems in both the kernel in userland just as there have in Linux. However, in my opinion, FreeBSD benefits from an integrated, full system of userland and kernel, completing an operating system. Combining that with the send-pr(1) command allows for problems to be solved in a much more quickly and orderly manner.
(Remember, this was just my opinion!)
What's wrong with userland?
Gosh. Is that running 2.1.5 or so?
No.
Notice how successful the x86 port is.
Your inability to perceive the minor thorn in your side known as reality boggles the mind. Intel is hardly "the only game in town". Unless you mean NT, go look at all the systems running on Sun hardware, DEC hardware, etc.!
If you honestly believe that Intel is the "only game in town", I have serious concerns for your ability to deal with reality.
I sure am glad you're not a big part of the FreeBSD community!
Your comments are childish and are not representative of any BSD community.
Funny, I've always seen things like "Hey, screw this expensive specially-made router that can handle up to a terabit per second, let's do it with x86s and make a beowulf, we'll show them" from Linux users.
... "
Please point me to articles where people say "DAH WHY DON'T YOU JUST MAKE IT BSD".
On your point that BSD users whine when people say things about BSD -- read what they're responding to specifically some time.
"BSD is DEAD!!!"
"No, BSD is not dead
"Stop whining, typical BSD user"
Well, ever heard of *recompiling*?
Yes.
Does Red Hat not make its own changes to the kernel distributed with the rest of their distribution?
Also, you can say that each distribution is a fragmentation. You can't run Red Hat programs on Slackware due to libc problems, that sort of thing.
The man standing in the corner, I believe, was the other guy Heather was in the house with (I'm sleepy, so I forget his name). If you remember the old man at the beginning who said that the witch would take two people in, and have one face the corner while she killed the other one.
So at the end, you see his camera fall, then you see her (first person) running down the stairs, you see him standing in the corner, screaming, camera drops, then silence.
The GNU internet would also have domain names like
slashdot.--organization
and
linux.--commercial
In addition, the protocols being used would be slightly incompatible with users using programs meant to be on the Internet.
Sites that require paid membership will be forced to also have an availible no-cost version, including sources to all the CGI scripts.
I find it difficult to believe the government is deluding itself into believing that somehow it can detect "network intrusions" -- let along determine whether these network intrusions were not from someone being paid for security testing.
And they are further deluding themselves in believing that they can monitor all of the Internet traffic.
BSDI stands for Berkeley Software Design, Incorporated.
BSD stands for Berkeley Software Distribution.
I believe Linus created Linux because there was no other real free Unix that's capable of anything. Had the lawsuit not occured, I'd imagine Linus would have been working on the BSD Unices. Is th ere anything that goes against this logic?