People are going to use cellphones in their car so why bother having a law against that?
People are going to break into your house, why bother locking the doors?
People are going to kill, so why not freely sell guns?
People are going to reverse engineer thingies, so why bother about a DMCA?
Because some things are just wrong. What's the big deal with saying that out loud? Cheating is well.... cheating and it's wrong. period. sjeez.
I don't see why not. As long as the employer has non-draconian contracts and allows those coders to do whatever they want on their own time
Wait... 'allows those coders to do whatever they want on their own time' ??? Can you read that 10 times quickly and then tell me what sounds wrong in that line?
What if the courts would have questioned 10 years ago how the internet is 'usefull'. I mean, back then it was obvious that the internet could only be used for watching pr0n online in USENet, right? Bad bad bad!
Yes, and indeed, travelling to Mars can only be good for getting the attention of those Martians so they will come and destroy earth. bad bad bad.
Electricity for that matter at it's conception was only good to have it's inventor electrocute little animals to prove that DC is safer than AC (how wrong he was though) bad bad BAD littleanimalelectrocutor!
So since something at it's initial stages MAY not have any very practical usefullness but it's only good for BAD BAD BAD things means these days that then it should be forbidden?!?!?!
Well I'd agree with you if I would simply mention to my friends 'hey this and that song by metallica is real cool'. Copyright infringement? nah I don't think so. Scanning the artwork on the cover and publishing it on my website... Copyright infringement? I'd think so. Typing over the lyrics and posting them on my website... Copyright infringement? Hell yeah... Typing over the songtitles and posting them on my website... Copyright infringement? You tell me. I actually grabbed a random CD and read the smallprint on there. This one CD just said 'Lyrics reprinted with permission'. Nothing about the titles or even the artwork, unless 'International Copyright Secured' is a catchall for the ENTIRE product.
I've posted this question in the previous
thread about this subject too but I guess I
was too late to post and it slipped through
the attention.
Copying the songtitles from a CD label manually and making them available for public access, whether you re-process them and refine them or sundry them is IMHO an equal copyright infringement as copying songs from the CD and making them available to napster users.
So, if this fact does not make their whole database illegal, it certainly does not make it
'theirs' by reprocessing is somehow.
One could wonder why the RIAA has not sued them yet for 'setting up an infrastructure to avoid copyright licenses'.
From: Al Mundie, Chairman of the Alliance of all that's good
To: The board of the Interstellar Alliance of Planets
Dear Gentlemen,
Our unanimous decision to keep the small uncivilised planets and solarsystems just that, uncivilised, is under severe attack it would seem. In my position as Chairman of this Board, I would like to focus your attention on one of the very least civilised planets in our quadrant, a planet named 'Earth'. As we anticipated, our 'divide and conquer' tactics have been very succesfull on this primitive lump of dirt. The human race inhibiting this planet excells in such a vast quantity of selfdestructing skills that our agents hardly have work enough to keep them on our payroll.
Officer Gates, Lieutenant Case and General Bush are indeed hardly neccesary on this planet since selfdestructive behaviour has been typical of their behaviour after the Great Maker created them and forgot all about them.
However, recently the Cooperation/Division index has been soaring high in powerfull spikes. It's almost as if our C/D index is reversely related to their so called NASDAQ index but anyway... It would appear that a certain band of rebels has seeded the idea of Cooperation in humans' minds. Stallman, Torvalds, the Madonna with the big boobs and several others appear to be uniting people and making them cooperate with each other FOR FREE!!
It is obvious that this trend is DANGEROUS. Humans, nor any other species, can NOT cooperate, as it will eventually make them realise that when they work together in EVERYTHING they can achieve greatness!
Gentlemen, this requires strong actions. We have sent officer Gates on a mission to break up this band of rebels for once and for all, before this trend will give humans the gift of awareness. General Bush is quietly backing him in the background after already having been in action recently to get this freedom limiting DMCA law forced in. We thought this alone would be enough to disencourage the humans, but it seems they just cannot be discouraged by stupified laws anymore.
Gentlemen,
We will meet in the next year and evaluate if we need to exterminate this race as a whole before they manage to board spaceships and carry this trend towards other starsystems.
PS: I still say we should have flattened that 'Finland' country when we scouted this planet!!! That's the source of all these troubles!
*UGH* How about Linux in the time there WERE NO DISTROS? No GOOD project in my opinion has ever needed a distro to get the project out to the people. It's the other way around, distros NEED good projects. If Nautilus is really so good (personally I don't like it but it looks neat) it'll survive, hehe, despite the lack of funding:P
*ugh* my wording could have been more carefull since now all the smart Alecs will tell me how it's PUUUUBLIC;-)
Anyway, 'copyright holder' was the correct wording ofcourse. So if we pretend for a bit that Eazel is the copyright holder and that copyright would somehow be re-assigned to a random corporate entity, like you say, the existing source would still be GPL.
However, the imaginary company that would get the copyright could re-brand the name 'Nautilus', correct?
I'm not sure why you find that second headline so amusing... The Pathfinders are really really cool 'planes' and watching coffee plantations is just one rather silly example of the incredible possibilities of these planes. I'd think that every true nerd would get a kick out of a nifty piece of equipment that can fly for an indefinite amount of time at heights up to 80.000 ft. I sure get a kick out of watching the MPG's of it on the DRFC site.
Geez, when does this ridicule end. I've once
hopefully installed WABI (What A Bloody Interface) on a pretty fast Sparc and it made the machine come to a crawl. I have installed WINE a few times and quickly removed it because it's just a PITA and besides that I don't LIKE most windows programs much.
Why anybody would want to waste time on trying to mimic something that Microsoft is doing is just BEYOND me. Embrace and Adopt my ass, RM AND FORMAT. Only a bigger idiot tries to mimic an idiot.
You seem to have a bit of a misconception of what an 'Operating System' is supposed to be doing.
CD burning is an OPERATING SYSTEM function
So, does this mean that it's a deplorable flaw in uhh 'Linux'? Last time I checked, Linux did not have a nice CD burner program. Oh ofcourse there's a xcdroast and then some. It's not part of Linux though.
You are partially correct however, an Operating System should *provide* a way, a clearly documented way, how to access this managed hardware. This does not mean that the Operating System should also include a frontend application that knows how to access this functionality (perhaps even through undocumented system calls to make it uhhh slightly faster than the competitors)
*shrug* what's to stop them from just including a 'value add' CD for convenience so you won't have to download these apps? Doesn't uhh Redhat do that too?
I used to have a job as 'release manager' at a software development company. This company released sourcecode together with documentation on the sourcecode in MS Word/Framemaker files.
The source code at that point was revision controlled in SCCS (yuck) but the documentation was not. Seems very much like your situation I guess.
Putting the documentation in a CVS project along with the software itself would work pretty well, except that CVS will not do delta's on the binary files but will store each revision pretty much in it's binary format in the repository. This is not
a big problem as disk space s cheap.
Also, teaching people how to use some windows CVS client shouldn't be a big issue I believe. However, I've found in the past that people often *want* the GUI version first and within a few weeks are asking me 'so how can I use that command line version you're using'.
Personally I like to teach people a few very simple things:
ssh into a Unix box
set up their CVS variables for them
make sure they check out/commit on
a file system that can be mounted through SAMBA on their PC.
Basically, what you're doing when submitting
and entry to CDDB is hand-copying information
found on the cover of the CD and making the
information available to other users through a
central server, right? Is this so much different than copying bits electronically from the carier
itself and making them available on, say napster?
So if napster has to filter which files it lets
users download, shouldn't CDDB do just that and
allow only descriptions that are 'ok' to
distribute to get out?
It kind of makes me wonder whether CDDB under
the DMCA is not violating copyrights by itself.
Imagination is more important than knowledge.
How good are you really?
on
IT Unions?
·
· Score: 1
Seems to me some of you laid off dotcommers must
be able to set up a 'new kind' of Union on a
website where each member has a certain 'industry' he works in and with that can 'vote' on Union
proposals within that industry.
Face it people, when used properly, the internet could be a tool to use to TRUE democracy. This does not only apply to Unions, but most certainly an IT Union could set an incredible trend for this.
Imagination is more important than knowledge.
Re:Forced Overtime? Hard Labour? Blah Blah Blah
on
IT Unions?
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· Score: 1
So why don't you hire more people and let them all work 40 hours per week? After all the layoffs going on, it can't be that hard to find qualified people.
To me Microsoft's rather emotional 'declaring war'
almost resembles a crying baby that doesn't get
his toy right away. They're affraid, they have
reason to be affraid, and they're dealing with
it pretty badly, nothing unexpected there. To
the market, they're showing off their own
weakness right now instead of showing their
strength. This only proves once again that they
should not be in the position they're in now and don't know how to deal with their power responsibly.
It is interesting to see how VA Linux stocks
trading increased dramatically over the past
couple of days. It seems obvious that somebody
with real deep pockets is buying lots of LNUX
stock. IBM or M$?;)
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People are going to break into your house, why bother locking the doors?
People are going to kill, so why not freely sell guns?
People are going to reverse engineer thingies, so why bother about a DMCA?
Because some things are just wrong. What's the big deal with saying that out loud? Cheating is well.... cheating and it's wrong. period. sjeez.
Wait... 'allows those coders to do whatever they want on their own time' ??? Can you read that 10 times quickly and then tell me what sounds wrong in that line?
Yes, and indeed, travelling to Mars can only be good for getting the attention of those Martians so they will come and destroy earth. bad bad bad.
Electricity for that matter at it's conception was only good to have it's inventor electrocute little animals to prove that DC is safer than AC (how wrong he was though) bad bad BAD littleanimalelectrocutor!
So since something at it's initial stages MAY not have any very practical usefullness but it's only good for BAD BAD BAD things means these days that then it should be forbidden?!?!?!
Copying the songtitles from a CD label manually and making them available for public access, whether you re-process them and refine them or sundry them is IMHO an equal copyright infringement as copying songs from the CD and making them available to napster users.
So, if this fact does not make their whole database illegal, it certainly does not make it 'theirs' by reprocessing is somehow.
One could wonder why the RIAA has not sued them yet for 'setting up an infrastructure to avoid copyright licenses'.
To: The board of the Interstellar Alliance of Planets
Dear Gentlemen, Our unanimous decision to keep the small uncivilised planets and solarsystems just that, uncivilised, is under severe attack it would seem. In my position as Chairman of this Board, I would like to focus your attention on one of the very least civilised planets in our quadrant, a planet named 'Earth'. As we anticipated, our 'divide and conquer' tactics have been very succesfull on this primitive lump of dirt. The human race inhibiting this planet excells in such a vast quantity of selfdestructing skills that our agents hardly have work enough to keep them on our payroll.
Officer Gates, Lieutenant Case and General Bush are indeed hardly neccesary on this planet since selfdestructive behaviour has been typical of their behaviour after the Great Maker created them and forgot all about them.
However, recently the Cooperation/Division index has been soaring high in powerfull spikes. It's almost as if our C/D index is reversely related to their so called NASDAQ index but anyway... It would appear that a certain band of rebels has seeded the idea of Cooperation in humans' minds. Stallman, Torvalds, the Madonna with the big boobs and several others appear to be uniting people and making them cooperate with each other FOR FREE!!
It is obvious that this trend is DANGEROUS. Humans, nor any other species, can NOT cooperate, as it will eventually make them realise that when they work together in EVERYTHING they can achieve greatness!
Gentlemen, this requires strong actions. We have sent officer Gates on a mission to break up this band of rebels for once and for all, before this trend will give humans the gift of awareness. General Bush is quietly backing him in the background after already having been in action recently to get this freedom limiting DMCA law forced in. We thought this alone would be enough to disencourage the humans, but it seems they just cannot be discouraged by stupified laws anymore.
Gentlemen,
We will meet in the next year and evaluate if we need to exterminate this race as a whole before they manage to board spaceships and carry this trend towards other starsystems.
PS: I still say we should have flattened that 'Finland' country when we scouted this planet!!! That's the source of all these troubles!
Anyway, 'copyright holder' was the correct wording ofcourse. So if we pretend for a bit that Eazel is the copyright holder and that copyright would somehow be re-assigned to a random corporate entity, like you say, the existing source would still be GPL.
However, the imaginary company that would get the copyright could re-brand the name 'Nautilus', correct?
Why anybody would want to waste time on trying to mimic something that Microsoft is doing is just BEYOND me. Embrace and Adopt my ass, RM AND FORMAT. Only a bigger idiot tries to mimic an idiot.
CD burning is an OPERATING SYSTEM function
So, does this mean that it's a deplorable flaw in uhh 'Linux'? Last time I checked, Linux did not have a nice CD burner program. Oh ofcourse there's a xcdroast and then some. It's not part of Linux though.
You are partially correct however, an Operating System should *provide* a way, a clearly documented way, how to access this managed hardware. This does not mean that the Operating System should also include a frontend application that knows how to access this functionality (perhaps even through undocumented system calls to make it uhhh slightly faster than the competitors)
The source code at that point was revision controlled in SCCS (yuck) but the documentation was not. Seems very much like your situation I guess.
Putting the documentation in a CVS project along with the software itself would work pretty well, except that CVS will not do delta's on the binary files but will store each revision pretty much in it's binary format in the repository. This is not a big problem as disk space s cheap.
Also, teaching people how to use some windows CVS client shouldn't be a big issue I believe. However, I've found in the past that people often *want* the GUI version first and within a few weeks are asking me 'so how can I use that command line version you're using'.
Personally I like to teach people a few very simple things:
So if napster has to filter which files it lets users download, shouldn't CDDB do just that and allow only descriptions that are 'ok' to distribute to get out?
It kind of makes me wonder whether CDDB under the DMCA is not violating copyrights by itself.
Face it people, when used properly, the internet could be a tool to use to TRUE democracy. This does not only apply to Unions, but most certainly an IT Union could set an incredible trend for this.