"There was someone convicted of possession of child porn for his cartoons from Japan."
And it still isn't child porn.
"Yes, anyone who doesn't agree with you about everything must be a fucking psychopath."
You are arguing in favor of raping children because of your supposed "rights." But I bet you would start whining like a little bitch if someone suggested they ought to have a right to put a bullet through your head.
"Someone who notes that drawings of children is illegal Child Porn is a fucking psychopath."
I said the exact opposite you dumbfuck. You're the one who keeps producing them as examples of "child porn."
A 25 year old woman is an adult and cartoons don't have anything to do with child porn. Stop bullshitting.
"Is a picture of a rape illegal? No"
If it isn't, it should be.
"So why is it that the depiction of the crime is linked to the crime for one and only one crime?"
Child porn is made for consumption, it's not just incidental like a photo of a crime scene. It's also a privacy issue for the victim. Not that you care about any of that since you're a fucking psychopath.
A 25 year old woman is an adult and cartoons are only vaguely similar to real people (and indeed are not real at all). What the hell are you talking about?
"Your repeated assertion that child porn is child rape is not true anymore."
Oh, you're right. I guess fucking a six year old up the ass doesn't involve any rape. Children of that age know exactly what's up. What was I thinking?
"Because you insulted all Slashdotters that believe in freedoms from government oppression."
Not being able to distribute child porn is now "oppression"? Is it also oppression that you aren't allowed to rape and murder?
"You are the only one here the repeatedly states that child porn equals child rape."
The production of child porn involves the rape of children.
"That you dream of raping children every time someone mentions child porn doesn't mean anyone else does."
This is pure projection.
And why did my original comment get modded -1 troll? I simply pointed out what is factually occuring on the site. Why are Slashdotters willing to say something but then rush to do damage control and suppression when someone calls them out for it? If you can't defend it then don't say it.
What a surprise that Slashdotters are defending child porn and by extension raping children on the basis that it's some form of "free speech." I remember a story a while back where people were saying that taking upskirt photos of women in public places is 100% legitimate because of "free speech," and you shouldn't be wearing skirts in public anyway if you don't want men shoving cameras up your ass. It's a recurring theme in nerdy communities that any and all forms of sexual misconduct are always ok because of some "free speech" related reason. Other people's rights might as well not exist though.
Copyright law would be unworkable if it actually worked the way you think it does. It's impossible for any company to have perfect awareness of every infringement out there, and only a few of the most wealthy companies would be able to take legal action against every known infringement. Courts would get completely tied up and companies would bleed themselves dry.
It should be self-evident to you that things don't work like this, and that companies aren't regularly losing copyrights because they failed to sue someone.
In Japan, self-published works are called doujin works. Many of them are derivative of existing works, like commercially published manga and anime. What's special about them is that they are openly sold. Comiket, the most popular event for buying and selling doujin works, has over 30,000 individuals and groups selling stuff, and over 500,000 total attendees. Twice a year. Not everything there is based on existing works, but a lot of it is.
It's not technically legal to sell these derivative doujin works, but it's still allowed by the vast majority of copyright owners because the derivative works 1) don't duplicate or compete with the original, 2) help to create a fandom that draws in more people and sustains interest in the original work, and 3) train new talent who will go on to publish their own commercial works. The doujin scene is important enough that the prime minister recently announced that derivative works will continue to be allowed even if the TPP becomes law (or in other words, it will still be left up to the copyright owners to decide if they want to allow them or not).
A particular success story in the doujin scene has been the Touhou game series, which has been authored and self-published by just one developer since the 90s. The series wouldn't have even a fraction of its huge popularity without the massive amount of derivative works based on it (manga, art, fanfiction, games, anime, music). There's now loads of commercially produced Touhou merchandise, and several manga series, and the series could be commercially even bigger if the author wanted it to be. But it would never have gotten this far without the doujin scene, and might not even exist in the first place without it.
American animated movies are very basic. They have simple stories and story-telling, and are almost devoid of the cinematic sensibilities that are taken for granted in both live action and anime. Their animation is very smooth and expensive-looking, but it's also very limited in scope because almost all of it revolves around exaggerated character acting and is shot in a very flat way.
Anime and cartoons are not the same thing. Anime is extremely distinct from other forms of animation. Calling anime anime is completely justified. I've already conclusively proven these facts in this thread, and you have been unable to offer any counter-arguments.
Anime and cartoons are not the same thing. Anime is extremely distinct from other forms of animation. Calling anime anime is completely justified. I've already conclusively proven these facts in this thread, and you have been unable to offer any counter-arguments.
Hey, here's another one little task for you. Explain how these clips are exactly the same:
Anime is a juggernaut of the animation world, putting out 40-50 shows every three months (plus movies, direct-to-video releases, and video game animations) sourced from manga, light novels and video games that all together form an aesthetically and narratively coherent and highly interconnected media ecosystem (and no, Marvel et al are nowhere near equivalent to it). American animation is small-time compared to this, and much less coherent. The animation industries of other countries are smaller and less coherent still. The entire anime ecosystem is so vast that it can completely replace everything else in your life.
Anime has its own distinct and instantly recognizable appearance, its own animation techniques, its own genres, story conventions and character archetypes, its own visual language, its own very expansive fan culture (that's practically a smaller scale duplication of the professsional industries that spawned it), and many other defining characteristics that set it apart from other animation. Its high production values and cinematic approach to animation are also unique.
I asked you to explain how those two clips are the same, and you completely ignored me. That's because you know very well that it's impossible to argue that they're the same. Just like it's impossible to argue that the videos I posted earlier are the same. You have zero arguments to support your position. You are just a mentally ill fanatic.
I did explain. Right here: "Referring to it as anime is justified because anime is a very particular form of animation. It has an instantly recognizable appearance; it has its own visual language and iconography; it has its own genres, story conventions and character archetypes; it has its own animation techniques, and it's part of a larger and tightly connected industry that encompasses manga, light novels, games and music. And so on." The differences between anime and American animation (which is what almost everyone is used to and consider the definitive representation of animation) are so extensive that they have nearly nothing in common. Even the most basic assumptions about what animation is and how it should be made are radically different. You might as well claim that early silent cinema is no different from, say, Inception (which, incidentally, likely took inspiration from Satoshi Kon's film Paprika).
I also provided YouTube videos contrasting cartoons and anime. Again, unless you really have some kind of issue with your brain you cannot fail to notice the differences. There is no way Silly Symphonies is anything like Ghost in the Shell (which, incidentally, was the principal inspiration behind The Matrix).
Here's a simple assigment for you: explain in detail why you think the following two clips are exactly the same.
As I just explained, anime has many unique qualities to it and is a very expansive artform and industry. There isn't anything else like anime in the world of animation. Anime is very different and very distinct from all other animation. If you think animations from other countries need their own names then go ahead and start campaigning for them. I don't care. If French animation has a term of its own like anime, then so what? It's not going to have any effect on me or anime. Whatever.
And as I've also already explained, anime and cartoons are two different, distinct forms of animation. You have no rebuttal to this except to robotically insist that they are the same thing just because you said so.
You seem really upset, and should consider talking to a psychiatrist about why anime makes you so angry.
I meant to post this in response to another, nearly identical comment just above, but got them mixed up while battling against Slashdot's inane commenting system. But since they are almost identical my response fits here too.
Anime is the abbreviated form of the Japanese pronunciation/spelling of animation. The word was coined in Japan, where it often (but not always) is just a synonym for animation.
In the West it's used to mean either all Japanese animation, or the certain kind of TV animation that started being developed in the 60s and now represents virtually all commercial Japanese animation.
Referring to it as anime is justified because anime is a very particular form of animation. It has an instantly recognizable appearance; it has its own visual language and iconography; it has its own genres, story conventions and character archetypes; it has its own animation techniques, and it's part of a larger and tightly connected industry that encompasses manga, light novels, games and music. And so on.
And as I JUST explained and illustrated, anime and cartoons are two different things. Unless you have some legitimate problem with your brain there's no way you can't immediately notice the differences.
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"He was convicted for it."
And it still fucking isn't child porn no matter what you say.
"Nope, I'm arguing against child rape."
Stop lying.
"They are defined as child porn by governments. You know, organizations with more respectability than you."
So now you're just blatantly appealing to authority.
"There was someone convicted of possession of child porn for his cartoons from Japan."
And it still isn't child porn.
"Yes, anyone who doesn't agree with you about everything must be a fucking psychopath."
You are arguing in favor of raping children because of your supposed "rights." But I bet you would start whining like a little bitch if someone suggested they ought to have a right to put a bullet through your head.
"Someone who notes that drawings of children is illegal Child Porn is a fucking psychopath."
I said the exact opposite you dumbfuck. You're the one who keeps producing them as examples of "child porn."
A 25 year old woman is an adult and cartoons don't have anything to do with child porn. Stop bullshitting.
"Is a picture of a rape illegal? No"
If it isn't, it should be.
"So why is it that the depiction of the crime is linked to the crime for one and only one crime?"
Child porn is made for consumption, it's not just incidental like a photo of a crime scene. It's also a privacy issue for the victim. Not that you care about any of that since you're a fucking psychopath.
A 25 year old woman is an adult and cartoons are only vaguely similar to real people (and indeed are not real at all). What the hell are you talking about?
"Your repeated assertion that child porn is child rape is not true anymore."
Oh, you're right. I guess fucking a six year old up the ass doesn't involve any rape. Children of that age know exactly what's up. What was I thinking?
"Because you insulted all Slashdotters that believe in freedoms from government oppression."
Not being able to distribute child porn is now "oppression"? Is it also oppression that you aren't allowed to rape and murder?
"You are the only one here the repeatedly states that child porn equals child rape."
Because that's exactly what it equals.
The production of child porn involves the rape of children.
"That you dream of raping children every time someone mentions child porn doesn't mean anyone else does."
This is pure projection.
And why did my original comment get modded -1 troll? I simply pointed out what is factually occuring on the site. Why are Slashdotters willing to say something but then rush to do damage control and suppression when someone calls them out for it? If you can't defend it then don't say it.
What a surprise that Slashdotters are defending child porn and by extension raping children on the basis that it's some form of "free speech." I remember a story a while back where people were saying that taking upskirt photos of women in public places is 100% legitimate because of "free speech," and you shouldn't be wearing skirts in public anyway if you don't want men shoving cameras up your ass. It's a recurring theme in nerdy communities that any and all forms of sexual misconduct are always ok because of some "free speech" related reason. Other people's rights might as well not exist though.
Copyright law would be unworkable if it actually worked the way you think it does. It's impossible for any company to have perfect awareness of every infringement out there, and only a few of the most wealthy companies would be able to take legal action against every known infringement. Courts would get completely tied up and companies would bleed themselves dry.
It should be self-evident to you that things don't work like this, and that companies aren't regularly losing copyrights because they failed to sue someone.
In Japan, self-published works are called doujin works. Many of them are derivative of existing works, like commercially published manga and anime. What's special about them is that they are openly sold. Comiket, the most popular event for buying and selling doujin works, has over 30,000 individuals and groups selling stuff, and over 500,000 total attendees. Twice a year. Not everything there is based on existing works, but a lot of it is.
It's not technically legal to sell these derivative doujin works, but it's still allowed by the vast majority of copyright owners because the derivative works 1) don't duplicate or compete with the original, 2) help to create a fandom that draws in more people and sustains interest in the original work, and 3) train new talent who will go on to publish their own commercial works. The doujin scene is important enough that the prime minister recently announced that derivative works will continue to be allowed even if the TPP becomes law (or in other words, it will still be left up to the copyright owners to decide if they want to allow them or not).
A particular success story in the doujin scene has been the Touhou game series, which has been authored and self-published by just one developer since the 90s. The series wouldn't have even a fraction of its huge popularity without the massive amount of derivative works based on it (manga, art, fanfiction, games, anime, music). There's now loads of commercially produced Touhou merchandise, and several manga series, and the series could be commercially even bigger if the author wanted it to be. But it would never have gotten this far without the doujin scene, and might not even exist in the first place without it.
"Instead, the entire city turned against him."
For what reason? He didn't say anything out of line. Degenerates who shit up the place shouldn't be tolerated.
American animated movies are very basic. They have simple stories and story-telling, and are almost devoid of the cinematic sensibilities that are taken for granted in both live action and anime. Their animation is very smooth and expensive-looking, but it's also very limited in scope because almost all of it revolves around exaggerated character acting and is shot in a very flat way.
Anime and cartoons are not the same thing. Anime is extremely distinct from other forms of animation. Calling anime anime is completely justified. I've already conclusively proven these facts in this thread, and you have been unable to offer any counter-arguments.
By the way, remind me how this cartoon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Is exactly the same as this anime:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Anime and cartoons are not the same thing. Anime is extremely distinct from other forms of animation. Calling anime anime is completely justified. I've already conclusively proven these facts in this thread, and you have been unable to offer any counter-arguments.
Hey, here's another one little task for you. Explain how these clips are exactly the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
No problem, right?
Anime is a juggernaut of the animation world, putting out 40-50 shows every three months (plus movies, direct-to-video releases, and video game animations) sourced from manga, light novels and video games that all together form an aesthetically and narratively coherent and highly interconnected media ecosystem (and no, Marvel et al are nowhere near equivalent to it). American animation is small-time compared to this, and much less coherent. The animation industries of other countries are smaller and less coherent still. The entire anime ecosystem is so vast that it can completely replace everything else in your life.
Anime has its own distinct and instantly recognizable appearance, its own animation techniques, its own genres, story conventions and character archetypes, its own visual language, its own very expansive fan culture (that's practically a smaller scale duplication of the professsional industries that spawned it), and many other defining characteristics that set it apart from other animation. Its high production values and cinematic approach to animation are also unique.
I asked you to explain how those two clips are the same, and you completely ignored me. That's because you know very well that it's impossible to argue that they're the same. Just like it's impossible to argue that the videos I posted earlier are the same. You have zero arguments to support your position. You are just a mentally ill fanatic.
Blu-rays, DVD and CDs are still very popular in Japan.
I did explain. Right here: "Referring to it as anime is justified because anime is a very particular form of animation. It has an instantly recognizable appearance; it has its own visual language and iconography; it has its own genres, story conventions and character archetypes; it has its own animation techniques, and it's part of a larger and tightly connected industry that encompasses manga, light novels, games and music. And so on." The differences between anime and American animation (which is what almost everyone is used to and consider the definitive representation of animation) are so extensive that they have nearly nothing in common. Even the most basic assumptions about what animation is and how it should be made are radically different. You might as well claim that early silent cinema is no different from, say, Inception (which, incidentally, likely took inspiration from Satoshi Kon's film Paprika).
I also provided YouTube videos contrasting cartoons and anime. Again, unless you really have some kind of issue with your brain you cannot fail to notice the differences. There is no way Silly Symphonies is anything like Ghost in the Shell (which, incidentally, was the principal inspiration behind The Matrix).
Here's a simple assigment for you: explain in detail why you think the following two clips are exactly the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
As I just explained, anime has many unique qualities to it and is a very expansive artform and industry. There isn't anything else like anime in the world of animation. Anime is very different and very distinct from all other animation. If you think animations from other countries need their own names then go ahead and start campaigning for them. I don't care. If French animation has a term of its own like anime, then so what? It's not going to have any effect on me or anime. Whatever.
And as I've also already explained, anime and cartoons are two different, distinct forms of animation. You have no rebuttal to this except to robotically insist that they are the same thing just because you said so.
You seem really upset, and should consider talking to a psychiatrist about why anime makes you so angry.
I meant to post this in response to another, nearly identical comment just above, but got them mixed up while battling against Slashdot's inane commenting system. But since they are almost identical my response fits here too.
Anime is the abbreviated form of the Japanese pronunciation/spelling of animation. The word was coined in Japan, where it often (but not always) is just a synonym for animation.
In the West it's used to mean either all Japanese animation, or the certain kind of TV animation that started being developed in the 60s and now represents virtually all commercial Japanese animation.
Referring to it as anime is justified because anime is a very particular form of animation. It has an instantly recognizable appearance; it has its own visual language and iconography; it has its own genres, story conventions and character archetypes; it has its own animation techniques, and it's part of a larger and tightly connected industry that encompasses manga, light novels, games and music. And so on.
And as I JUST explained and illustrated, anime and cartoons are two different things. Unless you have some legitimate problem with your brain there's no way you can't immediately notice the differences.