You can do what you do right now: drive your kids in manually. You can put them on the bus. You can call a cab. No one is taking options away from you.
But for every person doesn't think about such things, it does impact me, because if I want to drive like now, I now have to contend with more vehicles on the same sized roads.
Robot cars will not solve the problem of congestion in major cities, so stop pretending that they will.
but the actual results overall aren't the disaster implied in the format of the statement.
I don't think any disaster was implied. Clogged highways are a fact of life for most, and more cars doesn't solve that. No disaster, just points worth discussing.
when demand becomes great enough, space will be cleared for more lanes.
Cool, because if there's one thing every loves, it's having their house demolished for a new busy road. And the neighbours will also love having a freeway right next to their house.
With SDC's even if congestion DOES remain a problem AND gets worse- it's no longer an issue. The time is no longer wasted. You can spend that time working,
So you solution is we all get stuck in traffic longer, but it's ok because you can read?
I have a better solution, more buses and trains. You also get to read but you also get less traffic. Win, win.
people buying into a high priced real estate market thinking that it was a safe bet.
How do you know that today's prices aren'y medium, and that truly high prices are yet to come?
That's the great thing about the future, it has a habit of making fools of anyone.
With SDCs you won't own it, you will request a vehicle that is suitable for the journey so for commutes it will be a small single user vehicle,
So the Robot Uber company has to own 5 times as many vehicles now, all in different sizes, and have them close by just in case a user changes their mind?
I don't think you've thought that through.
Oh and we already have single user vehicles, they're called scooters. And even in countries that have scooter as the dominate form of personal transport, they still have congestion.
The 1% now has so much wealth at their command they don't know what to do with it, which fuels these speculative bubbles.
In my country, the majority of second home owners earn under $80k.
Real Estate investment is a middle class hobby. 1%ers know the real gains are had on the stock market.
Gets worse then that actually. A lot of those houses especially in metro Vancouver/Victoria and Toronto are empty. These people are using real estate to sink cash into expecting either a huge economic crash
That makes no sense. If you are expecting an economic crash, you don't invest in property, you buy gold.
I'm assuming the microphone doesn't like the thing the news guy holds on TV.
We used to plant radio mics around for a laugh when we we're younger. Even with spare parts and dodgy soldering they were as smaller than a pack of chewing gum and looked equally inconspicuous. Unless you were an electronics person you'd have no idea what it was (or even that it was a thing).
I'm terribly confused. Do you use 4 different cars right now?
We have one car, everyone else takes the bus. But if we had the choice of Robot-Uber at bus-like prices, it would add 4 times as many cars on the road.
This is what TFA is suggesting.
Imagine a fleet of hundreds of self driving buses, vans, et cetera.
This is the only viable option I can see. More cars = more congestion = no real benefit.
But robot minivans that connect you to robot bus service should be able to expand most public transport networks to everyone's house.
And that teenagers could get home from parties safely.
Seriously, what do you think will happen to a robot car after some drunk teenagers have finished with it?
The robot car utopia is far from being reality.
Is it a surprise that when you invent a good thing, people will want to use it? You might as well say that if you invent smart phones, then cell networks will be hopelessly congested. Of course they will, which will create pressures to build out new networks.
So where are you planning on putting these new roads?
Do you see where this is going now?
While microwaves may be safer and cheaper than regular ovens, the alarmist press warns they could also create obesity "The problem, say kitchen appliance researchers, is that people will use them too much."
And that happened.
While televisions may be safer and cheaper than traveling to the theater, the alarmist press warns they could also create widespread job loss among stage actors "The problem, say media researchers, is that people will use them too much."
That also happened
While wooden tables may be safer and cheaper, the alarmist press warns they could also create more expensive wood "The problem, say carpentry researchers, is that people will use them too much."
So did that.
Are there any random products you couldn't fill into this sentence? Very meaningful speculation... why, it's almost Luddite....
If Luddite means doesn't blindly accept every new device or gimmick without thinking through the possible implications, then yes.
You can summon your ride as you sit down for breakfast and by the time you are done it will be there. If you are out at dinner, you order the car when you get the check and it's there pretty much when you are ready for it.
So in my family of four, we could in theory order four robot cars (we each work and go to school at different locations). In my use case, that makes 4 times as many vehicles on the road. A road that is already over capacity today.
I think you missed the point of TFA
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Righto. Can you also tell me next week's lottery numbers?
You can do what you do right now: drive your kids in manually. You can put them on the bus. You can call a cab. No one is taking options away from you.
But for every person doesn't think about such things, it does impact me, because if I want to drive like now, I now have to contend with more vehicles on the same sized roads.
Robot cars will not solve the problem of congestion in major cities, so stop pretending that they will.
Soooo, you should probably not hire that service then. Failing to see the problem.
Doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Lol.. so now my child might be sitting alone in a car with another random passenger?
No. Is that how taxis work for you now?
This gets better and better.
Only if you haven't thought it through
but the actual results overall aren't the disaster implied in the format of the statement.
I don't think any disaster was implied. Clogged highways are a fact of life for most, and more cars doesn't solve that. No disaster, just points worth discussing.
Because a large chunk of the cost is labour, which is no longer incurred.
Wow, you're a fucking moron. The simple fact is that motorcycles are ridiculously dangerous,
Opinion, not fact.
and it doesn't even matter how good a driver you are, because you have zero control over other drivers.
Yet here I am. I think you may need to revise your theory.
Enjoy sitting in a nursing home and breathing through a tube as a quadriplegic.
Oh ok, if that makes you feel better about your life on the couch covered in cotton wool. Fun!
when demand becomes great enough, space will be cleared for more lanes.
Cool, because if there's one thing every loves, it's having their house demolished for a new busy road. And the neighbours will also love having a freeway right next to their house.
it's pretty simple actually.
Only if you haven't thought it through.
With SDC's even if congestion DOES remain a problem AND gets worse- it's no longer an issue. The time is no longer wasted. You can spend that time working,
So you solution is we all get stuck in traffic longer, but it's ok because you can read?
I have a better solution, more buses and trains. You also get to read but you also get less traffic. Win, win.
Actually - if you get your head out of your ass you would realize that is a nett INCREASE in freedom.
So by freedom you mean you choose what's good for the rest of us?
Cool story bro.
people buying into a high priced real estate market thinking that it was a safe bet.
How do you know that today's prices aren'y medium, and that truly high prices are yet to come?
That's the great thing about the future, it has a habit of making fools of anyone.
With SDCs you won't own it, you will request a vehicle that is suitable for the journey so for commutes it will be a small single user vehicle,
So the Robot Uber company has to own 5 times as many vehicles now, all in different sizes, and have them close by just in case a user changes their mind?
I don't think you've thought that through.
Oh and we already have single user vehicles, they're called scooters. And even in countries that have scooter as the dominate form of personal transport, they still have congestion.
Owning a car is a real pain that I would prefer not to do.
I agree, but I don't think I should force others to not own a car if they so chose.
Sure, you might go to jail for a while if caught, but so what? The jail is being built around you. You're going to be there whether or not you fight.
I assure you that the 'jail' around me is a whole lot nicer than real jail.
The 1% now has so much wealth at their command they don't know what to do with it, which fuels these speculative bubbles.
In my country, the majority of second home owners earn under $80k.
Real Estate investment is a middle class hobby. 1%ers know the real gains are had on the stock market.
Gets worse then that actually. A lot of those houses especially in metro Vancouver/Victoria and Toronto are empty. These people are using real estate to sink cash into expecting either a huge economic crash
That makes no sense. If you are expecting an economic crash, you don't invest in property, you buy gold.
I'm assuming the microphone doesn't like the thing the news guy holds on TV.
We used to plant radio mics around for a laugh when we we're younger. Even with spare parts and dodgy soldering they were as smaller than a pack of chewing gum and looked equally inconspicuous. Unless you were an electronics person you'd have no idea what it was (or even that it was a thing).
I'm terribly confused. Do you use 4 different cars right now?
We have one car, everyone else takes the bus. But if we had the choice of Robot-Uber at bus-like prices, it would add 4 times as many cars on the road.
This is what TFA is suggesting.
Imagine a fleet of hundreds of self driving buses, vans, et cetera.
This is the only viable option I can see. More cars = more congestion = no real benefit.
But robot minivans that connect you to robot bus service should be able to expand most public transport networks to everyone's house.
And that teenagers could get home from parties safely.
Seriously, what do you think will happen to a robot car after some drunk teenagers have finished with it?
The robot car utopia is far from being reality.
Is it a surprise that when you invent a good thing, people will want to use it? You might as well say that if you invent smart phones, then cell networks will be hopelessly congested. Of course they will, which will create pressures to build out new networks.
So where are you planning on putting these new roads?
Do you see where this is going now?
While microwaves may be safer and cheaper than regular ovens, the alarmist press warns they could also create obesity "The problem, say kitchen appliance researchers, is that people will use them too much."
And that happened.
While televisions may be safer and cheaper than traveling to the theater, the alarmist press warns they could also create widespread job loss among stage actors "The problem, say media researchers, is that people will use them too much."
That also happened
While wooden tables may be safer and cheaper, the alarmist press warns they could also create more expensive wood "The problem, say carpentry researchers, is that people will use them too much."
So did that.
Are there any random products you couldn't fill into this sentence? Very meaningful speculation... why, it's almost Luddite....
If Luddite means doesn't blindly accept every new device or gimmick without thinking through the possible implications, then yes.
Just the fact that a SDC can drive much closer means that at least 2-3 times as many vehicles can fit in the same stretch of road as before.
My commute is a car park. The only way to fit more cars in, robot or otherwise is to stack them on top of each other.
You won't own a SDC it will be a shared resource,
Oh right, that's freedom right there....
You can summon your ride as you sit down for breakfast and by the time you are done it will be there. If you are out at dinner, you order the car when you get the check and it's there pretty much when you are ready for it.
So in my family of four, we could in theory order four robot cars (we each work and go to school at different locations). In my use case, that makes 4 times as many vehicles on the road. A road that is already over capacity today.
I think you missed the point of TFA