You *are* talking about the real smart newton arent you??? i have one of his books in front of me! Newton was extremely religous. Very much anti religous dogma (ie catholic church). Newton was more into the bible than into science im afraid. No offense,:), but it seems that many people post making ridiculous statements like that. Maybe you just got the wrong name.
Good Point! Lots of people have some funny idea about the trinity. Regarding the trinity- the first century church certainly hadnt heard of it, the idea originated just before Constantines time (the merge of christianity/state/"paganism". It was adopted due to political reasons,. The bible certainly doesnt teach the trinity and it really stuffs much of the concepts in the bible up, so i wonder why everyone belevies it?
Reverse Engineering? I think you will really need to use windows (not NT) for this. As much as I like linux and that, Windows actually lets you have control (mostly). Dos Debug is a very handy tool for this and there are many many tutorials out on its use. Firstly it would be best to learn assembler (a hint- dont touch AT&T, keep with Intel)
BTW, anyone here into low level stuff also? ive been trying recently to learn how to write a micro kernel (ie OS), and its verry hard. Once id gotten the hang of real mode, then i had to learn pmode (currently) and im really getting stuck on this paging vs segmentation stuff. Any assembler gurus here got any pointers to webpages/stuff for me?
I'l be suprised if this is accurate!??! I mean Billy has lotsa money at his disposal, so surely he could pay for NT on the Merced. I dont think microsoft's page has this on it. Hmmmmmmmm Oh well, ive added it to #debian @ openprojects so it has to be true
One of the most hated things about 'christianity' and religeons of all types is the dogma associated with it. Do As I Tell You Or You Will Go To Hell. The catholic church has been a big example of this, burning many people at the stake and stuff like that. As religeous dogma began to lose popularity people started to think more freely and science advanced very quickly. Many people then assosiated all religeon with dogma and became athiests etc etc. When Charles Darwin came up with his Theory many people liked this as they didn't have any creater or anything. People started to come up with all sorts of support for evolution. evolution with a lower case e certainly does happen and is known as micro-evolution. Evolution however which is the idea of one common ascestor to everything is mainly based on a concept which sounds very attractive but has VERY FEW FACTS to support it. It has become accepted throughout education and stuff. Evolution is the dogma of science IMO.
I used to really hate X windows also. But recently i gave up trying to make a GGI/svgalib multiplexer and started to learn GTK.
After playing around with that for a while i borrowed a book from the library on X and its actually quite nice (and VERY EASY) to make a xlib/GTK app.
HOWEVER X really doesn't "feel" as fast as my win95A partition (needed for school) on my computer. The mouse seems sluggish and jerky (very much like when playing 8 player starcraft on it (p120)). Anyone know WHY X feels slower?
In my case i have not much use for network transparency, and pcanywhere appears to do this much better anyway without the transparancy. I wish i was able to help make it quicker but x seems to me too large (bloated?) to help develop and someone posted that you need to pay money to be a serious developer?
Anyone want to make clear all the myths of X, which are true and which arent?
Also, i think it would be a good idea to wait for V4 to come out before we switch to a faster windowing system.
And, anyone know any good stuff on writing a window manager? im editing aewm to my needs atm for a gtkwm but its not commented and some of the code is too complex for my little brain.
Except for the obvious suspision of the "Router failure" ,This server seems to be very nice.
I've gotta admit that if i put a linux machine up there it under those conditions it would break in 10 secs:) (the wonders of open source.. easy to find probs)
/me really loves playing starcraft behind his linux gateway and watching the occasional DoS come through. (but im getting a bit sick of starcraft.. dumb non-free software, great game though)
A LOT of people have said this to me. OpenGL might be great one day in the future but for most people who cant afford a $300 video card we have to stick with 2d API's which actually work.
(Sorry if this submits twice, slashdot has been sooo slow recently)
A LOT of people have said this to me. OpenGL might be great one day in the future but for most people who cant afford a $300 video card we have to stick with 2d API's which actually work.
I've been trying to make a windowing system called FX:) like X but much lower level giving the programs more control on the hardware because i really hate the way X does that sorta stuff.
I can happily stop this project if I ever find some DGA docs or source code, or Xfree86 project picks up its act and makes it viable for an idiot like me to program full screen fast apps (eg games).
So, if anyone has any nice DGA links and if DGA does want I want, please tell me.
Although X seems like absolute BLOATWARE to me, im sure it takes all that space and memory is so slow for a reason:).
------------------------------------------------ "Annakin! Drop!" "What was that mister qu-" *SPLAT* ------------------------------------------------ Penguin at jordan.openprojects.net 6667 #debian
Personally I dont like the word hacker because of the bad connotations. Makes me think of the l33t hax0rs. For programming i prefer the word "coder" as it sounds a lot better. Coder would be a great official substitute for "hacker". ---------------------------------- ------------- "Annakin! Drop!" "What was that Mr Qu-" *SPLAT*
Downloading is great for most people but in a proffessionall situation thingy, a CD is really *needed* as the install has to be fairly fast and painless or the boss will install NT (not that i have a job or any thing). Anyway, who cares about American Consumers? All they care about is themselves and their firearms:).
Having used Debian and Redhat and Suse in the past (of course staying with Debian) I thought i might let ya all know what differences ive noticed. Ive never used Slackware but i reckon it sounds very nice too. Suse (my first dist) is very nice for a newbie sysadmin. YaST (in SuSE 5.2) is really a admin friendly and well done piece of software. It does a lot of what i needed to do by itself. Unfortunantly SuSE uses RPM by default which is a major setback IMAO. I would recommend this for people new to *Linux*, but know computers pretty well. i would give it 4/5 Redhat makes it a little easier for newbies to get hardware going (just my impression, suse had great hardware autodetection, but didnt find my wierd stuff:[) without having to recompile the kernel so much. Its configuring programs and RPM managment to me seemed HORRIBLE. I cannot understand how this came to be so popular. I would only recommend Redhat to people new to *Computers*. 2/5 Debian, after using SuSE and redhat feels soooo nice. Forget dselect, it is worse than any package manager in SuSE or Redhat, stick with dpkg -i [packagename] and apt!!! Apt is great. Debian is good if you already know a bit about computers and partitioning and stuff, it seems the most "linuxy" dist. To get hardware going you dont use any horrible sndconfig or whatever programs, you just do an easy, powerfull kernel compile (im sure redhat can be the same here, but debian doesnt have all that extra useless software). To configure a program you start up vi in/etc. Debian is verrrry stable unlike redhat or even suse and works nicely on my old 486 25 as a gateway. I would recommend Debian for anyone wanting to run a "neat" and "elegant" dist. It gets 6/5:). Anyway, im really not suprised that SuSE has bigger sales than redhat considering how much better it is.
Programming in Linux? Dont know much about web site help, but the best book ever written for learning C IMAO is K&R C for yourself. It teaches basic C and has a chapter on the unix side of it. To learn linux programming is fairly tough when you have to teach yourself and i would recommend reading a non-platform specific C tutorial first. Wish you luck in your coding. Have fun.
Ive been trying to make games for linux for a while and basically have had major problems is what to do input and output with. Originally i used svgalib but after many people telling me its dead, I searched around and switched to GGI GGI is not too bad for graphics, but GII, ggis input library is basically undocumented and unworkable. Now im at the stage im at now- I need a good API to program my game in, requiring full screen with mouse I have tryed DGA but have not been able to find one scrap of info on it. Direct X 6 may suck etc etc... but at least they have a reasonable API for people new to game programming. BTW im not trying to bag out linux- it rules, just pointing out a major weakness.
I know what you mean (killing the process) but when i need images and stuff on my crummy machine which is a 486 with 8 meg of ram and 200 meg disk space maximum sometimes it freezes to a halt- even ignoring ctrl-alt-del (and i didnt turn the syskey thing on in i think) kfm also does similar things, but only on BIG sites And btw i do/not/ run some other sort of unix or Win*:) i just cant afford high end computers
Just wondering if anyone knows if this is worth getting, im getting a bit sick of having to reboot and fsck my filesystem when the memory leaks get out of hand on ye' old version. PenguinII- just cuse im paranoid doesnt mean they're not all out to get me!
Although I think NT will almost certainly beat linux in this test (due to chosen hardware), this test will probably be good for linux in general as it will give incentive for a lot more development to be done on stuff like SMP, and > 2 GB memory.
I really hate it when dads boss (a linux hater) sends me newspaper clippings with headlines like "Linux fails the High End Test".
2GB memory max, and 2GB file max seem to generate the most flak, poor SMP performance also. (if i ever did any kernel hacking (i wish) the 2GB limit would probably be the first priority)
After saying that, I have to admit I will feel pretty depressed when the results of the test come out, being a linux supporter.
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You *are* talking about the real smart newton arent you??? :), but it seems that many people post
i have one of his books in front of me!
Newton was extremely religous. Very much
anti religous dogma (ie catholic church).
Newton was more into the bible than into science
im afraid.
No offense,
making ridiculous statements like that.
Maybe you just got the wrong name.
Good Point!
Lots of people have some funny idea about the
trinity.
Regarding the trinity- the first century church
certainly hadnt heard of it, the idea originated
just before Constantines time (the merge of
christianity/state/"paganism".
It was adopted due to political reasons,.
The bible certainly doesnt teach the trinity
and it really stuffs much of the concepts in the bible up, so i wonder why everyone belevies it?
Reverse Engineering?
I think you will really need to use windows (not NT) for this.
As much as I like linux and that, Windows actually
lets you have control (mostly).
Dos Debug is a very handy tool for this and there
are many many tutorials out on its use.
Firstly it would be best to learn assembler (a hint- dont touch AT&T, keep with Intel)
BTW, anyone here into low level stuff also? ive been trying recently to learn how to write a micro kernel (ie OS), and its verry hard. Once id gotten the hang of real mode, then i had to learn pmode (currently) and im really getting stuck on this paging vs segmentation stuff.
Any assembler gurus here got any pointers to webpages/stuff for me?
Penguin aka Spatula
I'l be suprised if this is accurate!??!
I mean Billy has lotsa money at his disposal, so surely he could pay for NT on the Merced.
I dont think microsoft's page has this on it.
Hmmmmmmmm
Oh well, ive added it to #debian @ openprojects
so it has to be true
One of the most hated things about 'christianity' and religeons of all types is the dogma associated with it. Do As I Tell You Or You Will Go To Hell. The catholic church has been a big example of this, burning many people at the stake and stuff like that. As religeous dogma began to lose popularity people started to think more freely and science advanced very quickly. Many people then assosiated all religeon with dogma and became athiests etc etc. When Charles Darwin came up with his Theory many people liked this as they didn't have any creater or anything. People started to come up with all sorts of support for evolution. evolution with a lower case e certainly does happen and is known as micro-evolution. Evolution however which is the idea of one common ascestor to everything is mainly based on a concept which sounds very attractive but has VERY FEW FACTS to support it. It has become accepted throughout education and stuff. Evolution is the dogma of science IMO.
I used to really hate X windows also. But recently i gave up trying to make a GGI/svgalib multiplexer and started to learn GTK.
After playing around with that for a while i borrowed a book from the library on X and its actually quite nice (and VERY EASY) to make a xlib/GTK app.
HOWEVER X really doesn't "feel" as fast as my win95A partition (needed for school) on my computer. The mouse seems sluggish and jerky (very much like when playing 8 player starcraft on it (p120)).
Anyone know WHY X feels slower?
In my case i have not much use for network transparency, and pcanywhere appears to do this much better anyway without the transparancy. I wish i was able to help make it quicker but x seems to me too large (bloated?) to
help develop and someone posted that you need to pay money to be a serious developer?
Anyone want to make clear all the myths of X, which are true and which arent?
Also, i think it would be a good idea to wait for V4 to come out before we switch to a faster windowing system.
And, anyone know any good stuff on writing a window manager? im editing aewm to my needs atm for a gtkwm but its not commented and some of the code is too complex for my little brain.
I'm verrry impressed so far.
:) (the wonders of open source.. easy to find probs)
Except for the obvious suspision of the
"Router failure"
,This server seems to be very nice.
I've gotta admit that if i put a linux machine up there it under those conditions it would break in 10 secs
/me really loves playing starcraft behind his linux gateway and watching the occasional DoS come through. (but im getting a bit sick of starcraft.. dumb non-free software, great game though)
A LOT of people have said this to me.
OpenGL might be great one day in the future but for most people who cant afford a $300 video card we have to stick with 2d API's which actually work.
(Sorry if this submits twice, slashdot has been sooo slow recently)
A LOT of people have said this to me.
OpenGL might be great one day in the future but for most people who cant afford a $300 video card we have to stick with 2d API's which actually work.
I've been trying to make a windowing system called FX :) like X but much lower level giving the programs more control on the hardware because i really hate the way X does that sorta stuff.
:).
- -
I can happily stop this project if I ever find some DGA docs or source code, or Xfree86 project picks up its act and makes it viable for an idiot like me to program full screen fast apps (eg games).
So, if anyone has any nice DGA links and if DGA does want I want, please tell me.
Although X seems like absolute BLOATWARE to me, im sure it takes all that space and memory is so slow for a reason
-----------------------------------------------
"Annakin! Drop!"
"What was that mister qu-" *SPLAT*
-----------------------------------------------
Penguin at jordan.openprojects.net 6667 #debian
Personally I dont like the word hacker because- -------------
of the bad connotations. Makes me think of the
l33t hax0rs.
For programming i prefer the word "coder" as it
sounds a lot better.
Coder would be a great official substitute for
"hacker".
---------------------------------
"Annakin! Drop!"
"What was that Mr Qu-" *SPLAT*
Downloading is great for most people but in a proffessionall situation thingy, a CD is really *needed* as the install has to be fairly fast and painless or the boss will install NT (not that i have a job or any thing). :).
Anyway, who cares about American Consumers? All they care about is themselves and their firearms
Having used Debian and Redhat and Suse in the past (of course staying with Debian) I thought i might let ya all know what differences ive noticed. Ive never used Slackware but i reckon it sounds very nice too. :[) without having to recompile the kernel so much. Its configuring programs and RPM managment to me seemed HORRIBLE. I cannot understand how this came to be so popular. I would only recommend Redhat to people new to *Computers*. 2/5 /etc. Debian is verrrry stable unlike redhat or even suse and works nicely on my old 486 25 as a gateway. I would recommend Debian for anyone wanting to run a "neat" and "elegant" dist. It gets 6/5 :).
Suse (my first dist) is very nice for a newbie sysadmin. YaST (in SuSE 5.2) is really a admin friendly and well done piece of software.
It does a lot of what i needed to do by itself.
Unfortunantly SuSE uses RPM by default which is a major setback IMAO. I would recommend this for people new to *Linux*, but know computers pretty well. i would give it 4/5
Redhat makes it a little easier for newbies to get hardware going (just my impression, suse had great hardware autodetection, but didnt find my wierd stuff
Debian, after using SuSE and redhat feels soooo nice. Forget dselect, it is worse than any package manager in SuSE or Redhat, stick with dpkg -i [packagename] and apt!!! Apt is great.
Debian is good if you already know a bit about computers and partitioning and stuff, it seems the most "linuxy" dist. To get hardware going you dont use any horrible sndconfig or whatever programs, you just do an easy, powerfull kernel compile (im sure redhat can be the same here, but debian doesnt have all that extra useless software). To configure a program you start up vi in
Anyway, im really not suprised that SuSE has bigger sales than redhat considering how much better it is.
Programming in Linux?
Dont know much about web site help, but the best
book ever written for learning C IMAO is
K&R C for yourself.
It teaches basic C and has a chapter on the
unix side of it.
To learn linux programming is fairly tough when
you have to teach yourself and i would recommend
reading a non-platform specific C tutorial first.
Wish you luck in your coding.
Have fun.
PenguinII
Ive been trying to make games for linux for a while
and basically have had major problems is what to do
input and output with.
Originally i used svgalib but after many people telling
me its dead, I searched around and switched to GGI
GGI is not too bad for graphics, but GII, ggis input
library is basically undocumented and unworkable.
Now im at the stage im at now- I need a good API to
program my game in, requiring full screen with mouse
I have tryed DGA but have not been able to find one scrap of info on it. Direct X 6 may suck etc etc... but at least they have a reasonable API for people new to game programming. BTW im not trying to bag out linux- it rules, just pointing out a major weakness.
I know what you mean (killing the process) but /not/ run some other sort of unix :) i just cant afford high end computers
when i need images and stuff on my crummy machine
which is a 486 with 8 meg of ram and 200 meg disk
space maximum sometimes it freezes to a halt-
even ignoring ctrl-alt-del (and i didnt turn
the syskey thing on in i think)
kfm also does similar things, but only on BIG
sites
And btw i do
or Win*
Just wondering if anyone knows if this is worth
getting, im getting a bit sick of having to reboot
and fsck my filesystem when the memory leaks get
out of hand on ye' old version.
PenguinII- just cuse im paranoid doesnt mean
they're not all out to get me!
Although I think NT will almost certainly beat linux in this test (due to chosen hardware), this test will probably be good for linux in general as it will give incentive for a lot more development to be done on stuff like SMP, and > 2 GB memory.
I really hate it when dads boss (a linux hater) sends me newspaper clippings with headlines like "Linux fails the High End Test".
2GB memory max, and 2GB file max seem to generate the most flak, poor SMP performance also. (if i ever did any kernel hacking (i wish) the 2GB limit would probably be the first priority)
After saying that, I have to admit I will feel pretty depressed when the results of the test come out, being a linux supporter.